Egypt - western desert loop, possible by normal car?

[LostTraveller]

Hello all,

I'm currently travelling from Turkey to Syria and Jordan in a 28 years old (but good condition) Mercedes W123 Diesel. After Jordan I go to Egypt. In Egypt I really would like to do the 'western desert loop'.

How are the road conditions there? Is it all tarmac? And is the road easy to follow (I have no GPS or whatsoever). Does it make a difference in what direction you drive this western desert loop?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

- LostTraveller

[andrasz]

Absolutely, the desert loop is arguably one of the best roads in Egypt (good condition / little traffic). The only issue is that for the Fayum / Assiut stretch the police may insist on an escort. That was the case some years ago, I'm not sure what is the situation now - I have read reports of people being able to negotiate away this requirement at some checkpoints.

[onlyMark]

Doesn't make a lot of difference which way you go and as Andrasz says, it all good tarmac.
The part through the oases is easy enough, the problem is how to complete the circle, if you want to, in the east.

You can go from Cairo to Bahariya, then Farafra, Dhakla, Kharga and on the road south from Kharga to Baris is a good road to Luxor. This is all straightforward.
Or you can go from Kharga to Assiut.

Then it gets difficult, not because of the roads but because of the Police and convoy system.
If you wanted to do a full circle from Cairo to Cairo you'd go through the oases to Luxor and then return via the coast and Hurghada for easiest, Luxor to Hurghada is the only time you'd use the convoy.

If you went from Luxor to Aswan you'd need to use it, and back again.
In the north, Cairo to Alexandria, Mersa Matruh, Siwa and back is all good roads, no convoy. But Siwa to Bahariya you need a 4x4.

[andrasz]

A little clarification my and Marks' post, as the different routes can be a bit confusing:

From Cairo via Bahariya, Farafra, Dakha to Kharga is straight forward, one road only. From Kharga you have two options:

1) You can go north towards Assiut. There is a recent desert road that runs along the west bank of the Nile from Assiut to Cairo via Fayum. I was referring to this one in my post, it joins in to the Kharga - Assiut road about 10kms from Assiut city. Of course you have the option to go along the Nile valley road (convoys only), or the other desert road that runs along the eastern bank of the Nile. From what I've heared, no escort on some sectors of it, but these things change monthly.

2) You can go south to Baris (in the Kharga depression) from where a good road leads to Armant, south of Luxor. The rules for this road keep changing, sometimes free to use, sometimes closed altogether, sometimes only permitted from Kharga to Armant, but not the other way. (don't ask why...) As Mark said, from Luxor you have the option of going north along the Nile to Cairo (eventually reaching Assiut and chosing any of the three options in 1)), or going out to the Red Sea coast via Qena. All options out of Luxor involve mandatory convoys and escorts.

[onlyMark]

andras - there is a new road from Aswan to Luxor way over on the west side of the Nile, yes? Even with my car, Egyptian plates, my Egyptian driving licence and car licence plus Arabic speaking passengers - they wouldn't let me through in January this year, even when I offered to have a Police escort.
Later, tried the Assiut Fayoum road, again no luck. Told me to use a different road. I stuck it out for some time and was passed up the ladder, but still refused.
Maybe they just didn't like the look of me.

One other quick thing slightly off topic. There's a guy coming up from Ethiopia and now entering Sudan.
He seems to think he can get through the border into Egypt by driving through the "new" border crossing and passing Abu Simbel.
Any news if it is open?
I've asked him where he's heard this.

[andrasz]

Originally Posted by onlyMark

andras - there is a new road from Aswan to Luxor way over on the west side of the Nile, yes? Even with my car, Egyptian plates, my Egyptian driving licence and car licence plus Arabic speaking passengers - they wouldn't let me through in January this year, even when I offered to have a Police escort.

Never expect any logic in Egypt, especially when it comes to dealing with officialdom...

As for overland crossing at Abu Simbel, I very much doubt it. The only 'official' road crossing to Sudan is along the Red Sea coast, but that is closed to all foreigners (except some african nationals). Possibly he is confusing the Shalatein crossing with Abu Simbel. If he does succeed, it will certainly be a first since Almasy drove down along the Darb el Arbain in 1935...

[onlyMark]

Thanks for the reply, I didn't think I'd missed it opening.

[matafi1]

Two months ago in Asuan we were told that:
- a new road to Sudan is finished
- it will be opened end of this year

I hope so