Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Planning, Trip > Travellers Seeking Travellers

Travellers Seeking Travellers Meet up with other travellers on the road, or find someone to travel with to the ends of the earth!
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 28 Sep 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vanderbijl Park, South Africa
Posts: 76
Diving?

Cut out Hurgada and Safaga, unless you dive and stay in resorts. (The diving is very good there)

A better one would be to go to Bahariya (Bawiti), then to Farafra and on to Luxor IMO

Don't worry about extra fuel for the railway route from Wadi Halfa to Abu Hamed, less than a day's driving but it's awesome to camp out there if it's not too hot.
__________________
__________________
Jean Visser

http://ons4.reproroom.com
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 29 Sep 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 23
London to Cape Town

Hey everyone thanks for all the replies and to Mike sure we can do that.
If any one knows of good camp sites on this route can you post or e-mail me. Thanks
pjl@hotmail.co.uk
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 29 Sep 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 23
London to Cape town

Wow had a look at your web site look good i cant wait any more.
I would like to have a chat with you guys on one or two things.
Cheers P
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 30 Sep 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shandong, CHINA
Posts: 654
Hi Pete,
Your Toyota looks great in the images.
Some decent tyres would pull you through most of that mud, but not all !

Like you said, a nice set of BFG A/T would see you through to Cape Town with the least of tyre problems.
tripple wall sidewalls would be my reassurance on a long trip.
Holes in the tread can normally be easily fixed.
I have one of these "on the side of the road" tyre repair kits, where you pull out the object, ream the hole, and insert one of the many different rubber plugs.

As I have 17 inch, and (as many will know, they could be like hens teeth on the African continent,) I have decided to take a 6th wheel complete.

15 inch and 16 inch are far more common than the 17 inch.
Just a safe guard for me.

Why do I feel all tingly !

Graham
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 2 Oct 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shandong, CHINA
Posts: 654
Quote:
Originally Posted by pjl1toyota View Post
Wow had a look at your web site look good i cant wait any more.
I would like to have a chat with you guys on one or two things.
Cheers P
.
.
Who's web site?

Can I look?
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 13 Oct 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 23
London to Cape Town

Ons4
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 16 Oct 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shandong, CHINA
Posts: 654
A thought must be made to the price of a carnet from Paul at RAC.

For low cost vehicles, it's expensive, for vehicles £12k up, the cost is huge.
Did I hear a policy of some thing like £96k.

800% cost (value) of vehicle for transit Egypt

So if vehicle is valued at say £12k, then that £96k in security you need, just to prevent you from selling it, or leaving it in Egypt.

Please correct me if I have missed some thing


For the purposes of vehicle temporary importation into the region, South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho & Swaziland comprises the Southern Africa Customs Union (SACU) also known as the Southern Africa Common Customs Area (SACCA)

CARNET DE PASSAGES EN DOUANES - INTRODUCTION


A Carnet de Passages en Douanes (CPD) (hereafter referred to as a “carnet”) is an internationally recognised Customs document entitling the holder to TEMPORARILY import a vehicle duty-free into Southern Africa for up to 12 months. The carnet guarantees payment of duty & taxes if the vehicle is not re-exported.

Infringement of the temporary importation regulations will result in the lodging of a customs claim by the South African Revenue Service (SARS) to the Automobile Association of South Africa (AASA). The AASA act as guarantor to SARS for payment of duty & taxes if a vehicle fails to be re-exported from South Africa before expiry of the carnet. The claim is passed back to the carnet issuing motoring club (i.e. RAC) to resolve. A period of twelve months is then allowed from the claim date for RAC to submit evidence of export or permanent import into the country, after which the claim must be settled.

To minimise the risk of claims and ensure prompt return or cancellation of the security, we would ask that you read these notes carefully to understand your responsibility & liability as carnet holder.

RAC incurs a handling fee on all South African customs claims. Although this cost is not currently passed onto the carnet holder, the situation is under review.

In an effort to reduce temporary importation abuse, SARS do not grant extensions of validity of a carnet on expiry after 12 months. However, depending on the circumstances SARS may authorise a carnet replacement, known as a “substitution”.


Very Important – if the vehicle will be in Southern Africa on expiry of your Carnet, please see the Substitution paragraph on the reverse of this sheet.


The following general information on temporary importation into South Africa has been supplied by the AASA :

1. Only one vehicle per person may be temporarily imported into South Africa on a CPD.
2. CPDs may not be issued to applicants who intend to leave RSA for periods in excess of 30 days at a time whilst the vehicle remains in RSA under cover of a CPD.
3. CPDs can only be issued to foreign visitors or intending settlers who at the time of arrival in RSA have not yet been granted permanent residence & persons who arrive in RSA to take up employment for a period not exceeding 12 months.

4. Temporary importation is in principle limited to one year.
5. CPDs for vehicles which have entered South Africa may under no circumstances be extended, however, subject to approval from SARS, vehicles may under special circumstances be allowed to remain in RSA for a further year under a replacement CPD. (see Substitution procedure below)
6. A temporarily imported vehicle must not be sold, lent or otherwise disposed of in Southern Africa
7. The above conditions apply throughout the SACU/SACCA region.


USE OF A CARNET WITHIN SOUTHERN AFRICA


On arrival the carnet must be presented to customs for clearance (see Conditions of Use on inside back cover of the carnet). The carnet holder must ensure temporary importation regulations are adhered to, particularly when crossing into neighbouring non – SACU countries, e.g. Mozambique, Zambia & Zimbabwe. The carnet should be presented for stamping on every exit from Southern Africa.

On exit from the region, the carnet must be stamped at one of the following land frontiers, seaports or airports below.

Continued…/

Customs clearance of carnets can only be validated at customs offices at the following exit points:

Land Borders :

COUNTRY
EXIT POINT
ANGOLA
Oshikango in Nambia
ZAMBIA
Wenela in Namibia
Kazungula Ferry in Botswana

ZIMBABWE
Ramokwebana in Botswana
BeitBridge in South Africa

MOZAMBIQUE

Komatipoort/Lebombo in South Africa
NOTE :
Border posts between South Africa, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia & Swaziland are not valid exit points for the discharge of carnets. For clearance by road, the vehicle must be exported from the SACU into Angola, Zambia, Zimbabwe or Mozambique at one of the above border crossings ONLY.
Alternative crossing points are not acceptable for clearance of carnet claims by SARS.


Seaports :
Walvis Bay (Namibia), Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London, Durban, Richards Bay
Airports :
International Airports : Johannesburg, Durban and Cape Town


SUBSTITUTION PROCEDURE

Approval to keep a temporarily imported vehicle in Southern Africa for more than 1 year must be obtained from SARS. Only one replacement or “Substitution” carnet will be granted. Foreign vehicles may never remain in Southern Africa for more than a total of two years on a carnet.

If you are in Southern Africa & wish to prolong your stay, in the first instance, contact AASA Customs Administration in Johannesburg, approximately 1 month before carnet expiry - tel. (11) 799 1009. AASA will supply a substitution form & advise of their fee. RAC Carnet dept. should also be informed at the same time. AASA will submit an application to SARS & seek confirmation from RAC as issuing club that a security is in place (bank guarantee, insurance indemnity, cash deposit). Once approved, the carnet holder must contact RAC to arrange carnet & courier fee. If security is arranged via RAC insurers, a further premium will be collected at this time. On receipt of fees, RAC will send the new carnet to AASA via DHL courier as both old & new carnets must be regularised with SARS for transfer of validity as part of the procedure. The new carnet will then be forwarded to the carnet holder & the old carnet returned to RAC for cancellation.

Substitutions cannot be effected internally by presenting documents to Customs in for example, Namibia.


================================================== =======================================
RAC Contact: Paul Gowen (pkgowen@rac.co.uk)

A carnet must be returned to RAC within 3 months of the expiry date depending on circumstances. Unless prior contact & arrangements made with RAC we reserve the right to withhold release of a bank guarantee or refund of monies if the carnet holder fails to comply with the temporary importation regulations & procedures described in this leaflet.


Prepared by RAC Carnets, RAC Motoring Services, Great Park Road, Bradley Stoke, Bristol, BS32 4QN. Tel. 01454 208304







RAC/INF/CARNET/May 2007
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 19 Oct 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Alexandria Egypt
Posts: 365
Quote:
Originally Posted by pockey View Post
Hi pjl1toyota
i am also planning a trip down africa roughly the same time as you guys, i am also on a bike and wouldn't mind hooking up with you and maybe chucking a tyre or two on the back of your pick up if that is okay
the bike is ready to go all that needs to be done is the bank balance has to be boosted which is going well so far and then all the paper work has to be sorted.

cheers

mike
Hi Mike
what bike you got ?
and how long you want to do it for?
I'm planning to do it starting from Egypt , i got Africa twin almost ready to go . just need money for the road and the cost of the trip . planning to do it to cape town ,then ship the bike back to Egypt ,or if i have enough money will keep riding the west coast of Africa
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 20 Oct 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 23
London to Cape Town

CARNET DE PASSAGES EN DOUANES
BACKGROUND
A Carnet de Passages en Douanes is an internationally recognised Customs document entitling the holder to
TEMPORARILY import a vehicle dutyfree
into countries which normally require a deposit against import
charges for such vehicles (generally countries outside Europe).
The Carnet is issued under the auspices of two international touring organisations the
AIT and the FIA. A
large number of automobile and touring clubs throughout the world are affiliated to one or both of these
organisations and issue the Carnet on their behalf. RAC Motoring Services is affiliated to the FIA. Each
Carnet is valid for a maximum of one year. A Carnet holder whose journey goes beyond one year may, in
exceptional circumstances, obtain a second Carnet or an extension, by contacting the local motoring
organisation and seeking further advice from RAC.
DESCRIPTION
The Carnet is a booklet made up of either 5,10 or 25 pages. A 5 page Carnet allows the holder to temporarily
import into 5 countries or on 5 different occasions. A 10 or 25 page Carnet covers the temporary importation
procedure up to 10 or 25 times. Each page is divided into three sections; the lower section is removed by
Customs on entry into a country; the middle section is removed on exit; the top, counterfoil
section, is
stamped once on entry and once on exit. A country revisited
during the return journey will require a new page
to be stamped. It is vital that the holder gets these endorsements as they prove that a vehicle has complied
with temporary import conditions and discharge responsibility for any possible future import charges.
Countries not covered by a particular Carnet are noted in a list of exclusions.
ISSUING PROCEDURE
On issuing a Carnet, a motoring organisation becomes directly responsible for the payment of customs duties
and taxes if the regulations concerning temporary import are infringed.
In order to take on this responsibility, RAC requires the applicant to meet a number of conditions: they must
be able to give a UK address and provide a copy of their passport and vehicle registration document/
certificate.
The applicant must also provide a security the
options are:
a
bank guarantee, signed by a UK clearing bank (building society accounts generally not acceptable);
an
insurance indemnity with the company R L Davison (50% of the premium will be refunded on return of
a correctly discharged Carnet) ;
a
refundable cash deposit (maximum amount accepted is £10,000)
SECURITY RATE TABLE @ OCTOBER 2006
The amount required by RAC depends on the rates of customs duty and taxes in the countries visited but
is always a multiple
of the value of the vehicle. E.g. £5,000 value x 150% = £7,500 (South Africa)
Egypt 800% Africa (excluding Egypt/Kenya) 150%
Iran, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal 500% Japan/New Zealand 150%
Kenya/Libya/Middle East & Far East
(e.g. Singapore/Malaysia)
200% Australia 150%
+ £5,000 Vehicle Import
Approval supplement (cars
only)
South America 300%
Contd.
Generally, RAC requires a minimum of ONE MONTH notice to allow for processing/issue of a Carnet.
Once RAC receives the completed Carnet application form, a quotation will be provided, without obligation.
Carnet fees are indicated on a separate sheet.
DISCHARGE OF THE CARNET
On completion of a journey the Carnetholder
must return the document by secure post to RAC in
Bristol. The Carnet will be checked to ensure it has been stamped correctly in and out of each country visited
to ensure no further claims can be made by foreign Customs. After verification, the security will be released as
appropriate. A carnet remains the property of RAC.
If for any reason the last page used does not bear an exit stamp, the last page of the Carnet (“Certificate of
Location”) must be completed and witnessed by an official authority (Customs, Police or Judiciary) either in the
UK or the country of final import. Failure to do this may delay the release of the security to the Carnet holder
who can still be held liable for customs duties.
...
If a vehicle is stolen or writtenoff
during the journey, a police report and Customs acknowledgement must be
obtained as soon as possible. RAC should be notified as soon as possible. Failure to do this will almost
certainly result in the Carnet holder being held liable for customs duties.
A carnet must be returned to RAC within 3 months of the expiry date, unless prior contact or
arrangements have been made regarding issue of a further carnet.
If the Carnet is not returned to RAC and the carnet holder fails to comply with the temporary importation
regulations & procedures, RAC reserves the right to withhold release of a bank guarantee or refund of monies
to cover costs incurred.
CONDITIONS OF TEMPORARY IMPORT
The Carnet is a legal document allowing temporary importation only and, as such, penalties for its misuse are
severe. Conditions of issue, including the general regulations regarding temporary importation, are shown on
the inside back cover of the Carnet. The main conditions are:
l A temporarily imported vehicle cannot be sold, loaned, abandoned, hire, or otherwise disposed of
without the prior agreement of the local Customs authority and the local motoring organisation.
l The Carnet can only be extended with the prior agreement of the local Customs authority and the local
motoring organisation.
l The Carnetholder
is responsible for ensuring the Carnet is properly endorsed at each border crossing.
l The Carnet cannot be used in any country where the holder is normally resident, nor in any country
specifically excluded from that Carnet.
Prepared by RAC Carnets, RAC Motoring Services, Great Park Road, Bradley Stoke, Bristol, BS32 4QN.
Tel. 01454 208304, or email carnets@rac.co.uk
RAC/INF/CARNET/October 2006
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 20 Oct 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 23
London to Cape Town

CUSTOMS DOCUMENTS – FEES
Carnet de Passages en Douane : £150.00
(5, 10 or 25 page)

Bank Guarantee Administration Fee £45.00
(Unlimited liability)


Bank Guarantee Administration Fee
£55.50
(Limited liability)

R L Davison Insurance Premium - to be advised by RAC on receipt of completed Carnet application form
Premium of 10% - payable calculated on overall security/risk,
EXAMPLE : Africa tour including East Africa/Kenya (excluding Egypt), vehicle value - £5000.00
£5000 x 200% = £10,000. Premium of 10% payable, being £1000 with 50% refunded on return of carnet.
+ Insurance Premium Tax @ 5%

RAC Refundable Deposit £350.00
(Applicable to R L Davison Indemnity ONLY)


International Driving Permit (IDP)
£7.50
(application form can be downloaded from RAC website or available on request)
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 20 Oct 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 23
Thumbs up London to Cape Town

[quote=pjl1toyota;211638]

R L Davison Insurance Premium - to be advised by RAC on receipt of completed Carnet application form
Premium of 10% - payable calculated on overall security/risk,
EXAMPLE : Africa tour including East Africa/Kenya (excluding Egypt), vehicle value - £5000.00
£5000 x 200% = £10,000. Premium of 10% payable, being £1000 with 50% refunded on return of carnet.
+ Insurance Premium Tax @ 5%


THIS LOOKS TO BE THE BEST WAY
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 20 Oct 2008
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Shandong, CHINA
Posts: 654
Hi Peter,

Your Hilux is worth more than £5k
I would have thought yous is circa £15k
If you plan on Egypt, with the 800% requirement, your required insurance policy is now
£15000 x 800% = £120k
Premium of 10% = £12k
50% refund = £6k

OK, my cruiser isn't worth £15k, but probably around £13k.
I could not sleep easy if I had to find around £5k for a carnet.

Also, the guide for Libya.
And also the "robbing" ferry at Aswan to Wadi Halfa.

How about, a possible alternative route.
Head to Istanbul, 2000 miles.
Then Syria, Jordan, Saudi, cross at Jeddah to the ferry port, Sawakin, just south of Port Sudan, , then pick up the rest of your route?
Istanbul to Jeddah around 2500 miles.

Just an idea. ?

Graham
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 21 Oct 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 23
London to Cape Town

Hi Graham

Yes that 800% is a big problem; it is a very big pill to swallow. I think we need to get a big sponsor. I don’t like that way, I’ve got UK plates on my hilux.
Let me have a look at my map and see what i can do, will let you know.

Peter

Last edited by pjl1toyota; 11 Nov 2008 at 21:30.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 11 Nov 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 23
London to Capetown

Has any one got some cash for a Carnet de Passages.
My bank does not want to help me.lol
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 12 Nov 2008
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: London
Posts: 33
Hi there
Your trip sounds great! Good luck! Check out The Southern African Overland Forum for websites of people that have done similar trips, click on Trans Africa tours and trips on the left. We'll be going down via the West Coast end of 2009.
Madness, I know!

Cheers
__________________
RamblingRat Africa benefiting Street Kids International
www.ramblingrat.net

Give a hoot for streetkids...
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
london to Cape Town 2WD..possible? dovechaka 4WD Overland TRAVEL 3 21 Aug 2006 11:14
London to Cape Town vonnymc Route Planning 2 20 Jan 2005 02:35
Cape Town To London kobi Trip Transport 0 23 Apr 2004 01:58
London to Cape Town on a XT Bigmac Travellers Seeking Travellers 5 8 Feb 2002 00:48
london to cape town london le cap Equipment Reviews 0 23 Jan 2002 00:34

 
 


HU DVD Summer Special!

Now that summer is here, get On the Road! Take 30% off the Achievable Dream - On the Road! 2-DVD set until August 31 only. Get On the Road! Learn the tips to staying healthy, happy and secure on your motorcycle adventure!

Our veteran travellers share their tips (and great stories) for staying healthy, happy and secure on your motorcycle adventure.

"A fantastic, informative and inspirational DVD."

"It's brilliant - thank you very much!"

Check it out at the HU Store! Remember to use Coupon Code 'ONTHEROAD' on your order when you checkout.


Renedian Adventures


Renedian Adventures

What others say about HU...

"I just wanted to say thanks for doing this and sharing so much with the rest of us." Dave, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the DVD series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring! The new look of the website is very impressive, updated and catchy. Thank you so very much!" Jennifer, Canada

"...Great site. Keep up the good work." Murray and Carmen, Australia

"We just finished a 7 month 22,000+ mile scouting trip from Alaska to the bottom of Chile and I can't tell you how many times we referred to your site for help. From how to adjust your valves, to where to stay in the back country of Peru. Horizons Unlimited was a key player in our success. Motorcycle enthusiasts from around the world are in debt to your services." Alaska Riders

contest pic

10th Annual HU Travellers Photo Contest is on now! This is an opportunity for YOU to show us your best photos and win prizes!

NEW! HU 2014 Adventure Travel T-shirts! are now available in several colors! Be the first kid on your block to have them! New lower prices on synths!

HU 2014 T-shirts now in!

Check out the new Gildan Performance cotton-feel t-shirt - 100% poly, feels like soft cotton!


What turns you on to motorcycle travel?


Global Rescue, WORLDwide evacuation services for EVERYONE

Global Rescue is the premier provider of medical, security and evacuation services worldwide and is the only company that will come to you, wherever you are, and evacuate you to your home hospital of choice. Additionally, Global Rescue places no restrictions on country of citizenship - all nationalities are eligible to sign-up!


New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80 G/S motorcycle.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events (22 this year!); we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, the HUBB or to receive the e-zine. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.


Books & DVDs

amazon

All the best travel books and videos listed and often reviewed on HU's famous Books page. Check it out and get great travel books from all over the world.


Motorcycle Express for shipping and insurance!

Motorcycle Express

MC Air Shipping, (uncrated) USA / Canada / Europe and other areas. Be sure to say "Horizons Unlimited" to get your $25 discount on Shipping!
Insurance - see: For foreigners traveling in US and Canada and for Americans and Canadians traveling in other countries, then mail it to MC Express and get your HU $15 discount!




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:27.