Horizons Unlimited, the website for motorcycle travellers.
in cooperation with
Quality Touring equipment worldwide.
Be a Member!
Is HU useful & helpful?
Become a Member! And get more goodies!
Navigation
Art
Amazon

Buy your books and goodies from Amazon - but start at the HU Books Search page
Buy your books and goodies from Amazon.
and we get a small percentage of your purchases - and it costs you nothing! Thanks!

 
Go Back   The HUBB > Regional Forums > Sahara Travel Forum
Contact Overland Solutions for all your custom modifications and setup for overland travel.  Follow the DAKAR 2010 with South America Motorbike Tours  
Search 

Search tips

Sahara Travel Forum Topics specific to North Africa and the Sahara down to the 17th parallel (Nouakchott, Timbuktu, Agadez, northern Sudan)

Sahara Overland - everything Sahara!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #91  
Old 25th November 2009
priffe priffe is offline
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Sweden
Posts: 308
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
AQ can get about anywhere as we know but as for bases, I agree with priffe's assessment - they prefer to be in far north Mali. Even before it all kicked off the Mori army had bases up at Gallouiya and even way out at Chegga - + that patrol that got done at Tourine. So FWIW the army is up there (and often paying the price...)
Ch
Here's an example of what Mauri is doing to secure the desert

Mauritania touts counter-terror operations near Mali border (Magharebia.com)

"Mauritanian security forces took reporters on their first-ever tour of counter-terrorism operations in the restive desert region of Adrar on Friday (November 13th), ANI reported.
Adrar is the country's most popular tourist destination but also the infiltration point for Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb terrorists from Mali. The 2008 kidnapping and subsequent beheading of 11 Mauritanian soldiers in Aklet Tourine spurred Mauritania to create a special military unit in the north-eastern province. Ever since the Mauritanian Special Forces (GSI) cordoned off the area, "all infiltration areas have been fully identified [and] illegal activities have come to a complete halt," said GSI Commander Sidi Ahmed.

To handle the difficult desert conditions, GSI operatives receive special survival training and learn to master driving in the sand dunes without GPS navigation. An outreach strategy with nomads has also benefitted military counter-terrorism operations in the sparsely-populated region, the GSI officer explained.

"To ensure that the nomads provide information to the army, not the enemy, a support program has been implemented. The GSI facilitates their access to water and medical care and buys their livestock, which dispenses with the need for them to make long trips to the city and ensures their income," he said. "Our intelligence capabilities are enhanced."


It is partly the tense relationship between touaregs and Mali government that makes the Mali desert unpatrolled and unsafe, allowing the Aqim to establish themselves.
The outreach program in Mauritania is probably more important than the military presence in the long run. This is what the Mali governement should do, too.
Reply With Quote
  #92  
Old 25th November 2009
Chris Scott Chris Scott is offline
Moderator
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NFA
Posts: 2,313
That is the way to do it (assuming it's not all spin and the GSI are not beating it out of the nomads and stealing their cams). Mori was the most nomadic desert country of all until 40 years ago and today still benefits from the govt and nomads being the same people - Moors. Any internal unrest is just the Moorish clans fighting it out for power as we see once in a while.

The thing is I suspect far N. Mali is a bit like the Libyan Desert - less arid sure but there are no wells or the ground water is too bad and so, apart from the salt mine, there are no nomads to outreach too until you get to the east where they're Tuareg. And as we know Tuareg have their own separate issues with the predominately Bambara Mali govt (who of course despise nomads). Same story in Niger (and up to a point, Sudan): it's post independence payback for the bad old slave trading days - hence the rebellions.

So good on the Moris. In Mali you get a feeling elements of the army are in business with AQIM - like that pile of coke that disappeared off the badly landed plane near Gao the other day...

Ch
Reply With Quote
  #93  
Old 27th November 2009
priffe priffe is offline
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Sweden
Posts: 308
Maybe change is real in Mauri

Another article dealing with the change in Adrar.
Mauritanian counter-terrorism effort gains ground in Adrar (Magharebia.com)

"Mauritania's measures to bring peace to its restive Adrar region, where terrorists beheaded 11 soldiers last year, are earning positive reviews in the local press and appreciation from the general public.
...
Experts say Adrar, an area known for tourist attractions, has been a key infiltration point for al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) terrorists from Mali. It is also a hotspot for trafficking of people and drugs. Army efforts to deal with such problems have included recruiting Adrar's young people for special anti-terrorism units that scour the region for illegal activity.
...
"Since the deployment of the anti-terrorism units to the area, AQIM-linked gunmen have stopped their attempts to ... cross onto Mauritanian soil," Major Sayyid Ahmed Ould Amhimed told the touring journalists in Atar.
...
Journalist Mohammed Al Moukhtar Ould Mohammed praised efforts to keep reporters and the public apprised of developments in Adrar.

"As journalists, we needed to know the details of what's going on in the Mauritanian desert," he said, adding that previously, the army alone gave accounts of events in the region.

"It seems that the national army has understood the importance of involving the press in the battle they are waging in the heart of the desert, something that will add a new dimension to the so-called 'War on Terror'," Mohammed added.

In connection with the counter-terrorism efforts in the Adrar region, Mauritania is also deeply troubled by the loss of the Paris-Dakar Rally, which was relocated in 2008 after four French tourists were slain in the desert. Eight of the rally's 15 stages previously took place in Mauritania, and the event brought enormous economic rewards."

Last edited by priffe : 28th November 2009 at 09:17.
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old 11th January 2010
Tifinagh Tifinagh is offline
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Scott View Post
That is the way to do it (assuming it's not all spin and the GSI are not beating it out of the nomads and stealing their cams). Mori was the most nomadic desert country of all until 40 years ago and today still benefits from the govt and nomads being the same people - Moors. Any internal unrest is just the Moorish clans fighting it out for power as we see once in a while.

The thing is I suspect far N. Mali is a bit like the Libyan Desert - less arid sure but there are no wells or the ground water is too bad and so, apart from the salt mine, there are no nomads to outreach too until you get to the east where they're Tuareg. And as we know Tuareg have their own separate issues with the predominately Bambara Mali govt (who of course despise nomads). Same story in Niger (and up to a point, Sudan): it's post independence payback for the bad old slave trading days - hence the rebellions.

So good on the Moris. In Mali you get a feeling elements of the army are in business with AQIM - like that pile of coke that disappeared off the badly landed plane near Gao the other day...

Ch
wondering what the level of danger is in the Goundam - Gargando area... I need to go there in Feb / March, but I'm getting conflicting advice, both from people in the region and from Toubabs:-- some say Ok to go, others say dont even think about going. Anyone got any informationn/ advice to help make the decision? Thanks
Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mali news Richard K Sahara Travel Forum 4 31st May 2006 13:24
Sahara Hostage Fund Results Chris Scott Sahara Travel Forum 1 17th February 2004 15:13
Hostage photos and book Chris Scott Sahara Travel Forum 12 22nd January 2004 20:38
news Chris Scott Sahara Travel Forum 0 4th April 2002 22:20


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:18.

Top of page Top Home Shop the Souk Grant & Susan's RTW Trip Subscribe to the E-zine HUBB Forum Community
Travellers Stories Trip Planning Books Links Search Privacy Policy Advertise on HU

Your comments and questions about the site are welcome. Contact Horizons Unlimited.
All text and photographs are copyright © Grant and Susan Johnson, 1987-, or their respective authors. All Rights Reserved.

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6