Buying Used Bike in Santiago Chile
 

To buy a bike in Chile can be a relatively simple process, once you have found and bought the bike you will be able to leave Chile into Argentina and some crossings into Bolivia and then travel in S. America
You get a RUT
You find a bike.
Pay for it and do some paperwork.
Wait a week or so for your official ownership paper.
Go anywhere you want.
I believe the hardest part is actually finding a bike.

Getting a RUT

You will need a RUT, this number is very important and without it you can do nothing, luckily it is very easy to get. Go to an office of Servicio de Impuestos Internos with your passport and tell them you want a RUT to buy a bike. You will be given a form to fill out, name, D.O.B. that sort of stuff. you will need an address, you can use wherever you are staying. You have to go to the office corresponding to the address you give, check the office in Servicio de Impuestos Internos - Chile, there are 3 or 4 is Santiago. You will be issued a RUT on the spot and be given a slip of paper with your new RUT on it. Keep this piece of paper safe, you will need it to buy the bike, This piece of paper is valid for 3 months. When you get your RUT the office of Servicio de Impuestos Internos will make you a plastic card with your RUT on it. To collect this card take the piece of paper with your RUT on it to the exact same office where you got your RUT and they will swap your piece of paper for the plastic card. THEY WILL ONLY HOLD THE CARD FOR 6 MONTHS, after this they will throw it away, so make sure you collect it, or get someone to collect it for you. The peice is paper is valid for 3 months only, but the card does not have an expiration date. you will need the card to sell the bike, so collect it and take care of it


Finding a bike

online sources for bikes are as follows
Chileautos.cl: miles de vehiculos nuevos y usados this is the main classifieds site for used vehicles, this is your best chance. if you can´t find what you want here it probably won´t be easy to find!!
Portal de Motos - Ventas de Motos - Foro - Clubes - Actualidad y Noticias not as good as chileautos, ads remain for a long time so many of the bikes here have been sold.
El Mercurio.com - El periódico lder de noticias en Chile El Mercurio is a large newspaper in Santiago, look in the classifieds section.
MercadoLibre Chile - Donde comprar y vender de todo. the ebay of S. America. (you will see mention of Deremate.cl in other Hubb pages, but it is now part of Mercadolibre)
Rastro.Com :: Autos - Casas - Trabajo - etc... I did not use this site but i know of it.

there are other web pages, but by far the best is chileautos.

there are two areas in Santiago where there are groups of stores. One area is on Calle Lira. If you go to the corner of Calle Lira and Ave 10 De Julio Huamachuco you will be in the middle of the shops. There is a strip of shops for about 400m. There are many very cheap Chinese bikes and not much else, however Lira is a good place to know as there are lots of cheap spares, tyres, tools, clothes etc. The other area is on Calle Vitacura. there are shops with Japanese bikes, the area is at the end of Vitacura as you go away from central Santiago, near to where Vitacura becomes Calle Tabancura, these shops are much more spread out than in Lira, over a couple of ks. You can easily walk the area, but you will need to take a bus or taxi from central Santiago. There obviously are other stores in Santiago but not grouped together as much as in Lira and Vitacura. Calle Los Condes is a place to look if you need to find more bikes.

When searching for used bikes look for bikes advertised with ¨papels al dia¨ this means the papers are up to date. It is possible to buy a bike without papers up to date (i did) but this will cause headaches and i would recommend against it unless you have some good help from locals.

A bike with up to date papers will have the following;

- Seguro Obligatorio
- Certificado de Revision Tecnica Clase B
- Certificado de Emisiones Contaminantes
- Permiso de Circulacion

Once you have found a bike

Hopefully the bike you want will have all the papers up to date, papels al dia. the other document that the owner will need to have is the Padron.

Check that the person on the Padron is the same person who is trying to sell you the bike. It is perfectly possible for someone to sell you a bike using a power of attorney from the owner, hence the person selling you the bike would not be the same as the person on the Padron, however be wary of this and get some help from knowledgeable locals if you are going to take this route.

if the bike has papels al dia and the owner has their Padron there is one more piece of paper you need to check, the Certificado de Anotaciones Vigentes this will confirm that their is no finance owing on the bike and who is the current owner of the bike, it will also tell you how many owners the bike has had. If there is no finance and the owner matches you are ready to proceed.

Now at this stage, if not before, i would highly recommend to contact the Santiago Community through HUBB. There are members who speak English, but obviously you can reach more if you speak a little Spanish. These people understand the system well and you are likely to find someone who can answer any questions and even hold you hand through the purchase, they can tell you what look out for and where to go to get something done. Once you have found a bike, or not, but have a feel for what you are doing, get in touch with these people. Tell them what you have done, what you want to do and any specific questions.

If you have agreed on a price, and the papers are OK you are ready to proceed. i bought my bike from a dealer so am not very familiar with the Notaria, I signed the Contrato de Compra-Venta de Vehiculo and picked up all my papers later that day. However i understand the following is the correct sequence.
- Go to a Notaria (basically a quasi lawyer) with the vendor, the Notaria will charge around 22,000 pesos for their services and you will have to pay this
- Pay the vendor, receive your copy of the Contrato de Compra-Venta de Vehiculo, you will have to pay the Notaria, and the Impuesto, the Impuesto is 1.5% of the amount the bike is sold for, and is a tax. You should also get all the old copies of seguros, permisos, revison tecnicas if the owner has them.
- Go to the Registro Civil with the Vendor and the Contrato de Compra-Venta de Vehiculo, pay the inscription (just another tax, i paid 21,000 pesos) and receive the Solicitud de Transferencia, this is you new but temporary ownership document, the bike is now yours, all you have to do is wait for your Padron...

From what i have read on the HUBB it may be possible to obtain a Power of Attorney at this stage from the previous owner and then to leave Chile immediately using this document. As far as the Registro Civil is concerned the change in ownership is being processed at this stage and it takes a minimum of 5 days for the bike to be officially transferred into your name. When this transfer is complete you can obtain a Padron from the Registro Civil. Your copy of the Padron is posted to you in something like 15 days, however you can get one much sooner, i had to wait 7 working days, but was reliably informed anytime after 5 you should start asking. You simply present yourself at any Registro Civil with the Solicitud de Transferencia and ask if the bike is in your name yet. When the transfer is complete any Registro Civil will print you a copy of your Padron on the spot for around 800 pesos. Therefore if you can afford to wait in Chile for a week or so you will have that small piece of yellow paper with will let you leave Chile (please see post below about problem areas leaving Chile)

good luck,

I arrived in Chile with no idea except i wanted to maybe buy a motorbike, i started reading the HUBB and left one month later with a bike and my Padron. A realistic time-frame from paying for you bike to obtaining a Padron is 1.5 weeks, but this could be less depending on how much you push people to go fast. It is possible to buy the bike faster and more cheaply by going directly with the owner to Registro Civil. However this won´t be normally possible if the you buy from a dealer

Government Departments

Servicio de Impuestos Internos: (SII), Servicio de Impuestos Internos - Chile
office (there are others): DIRECCION REGIONAL SANTIAGO CENTRO (this is the office to go to if your address is in central Santiago, but don´t stress, if this isn´t the correct one for your address they will tell you where to go)
The Servicio de Impuestos Internos will issue you your RUT (Rol unico tributario). This is a tax number and is the first step and the key to buy your bike.

Servicio de Registro Civil: www.registrocivil.cl
offices: Servicio de Registro Civil e Identificación
The Servicio de Registro Civil is the register of who owns the bikes, it does the vehicle transfers, issues the Padron,

Municipalidad :
The Municipalidad is where you present your paperwork in order to pay for the Permiso de Circulacion if you have to renew papers. The quickest are Providencia, Vitacura y Las Condes. I went to the Municipalidad in Vitacura, there is a Registro Civil in the same building and was very fast.

Papers and Certificates

Seguro Obligatorio: (seguro is the word for insurance in Spanish) The seguro is attached to the bike, not to an individual, is valid for a year and must be bought to obtain the Permiso de Circulacion. it costs around 35,000 pesos. It can be bought from many places but at the Municipalidad it is easy and the cheapest. This does not have to be in the name of the current owner (but obviously the bike details must match), it all depends on when it last expired and when the bike was sold last.

Certificado de Revision Tecnica Clase B & Certificado de Emisiones Contaminantes - these two pieces of paper are obtained at the same time from any shop authorised to give Revision Tecnicas. The Revision Tecninca is a roadworthy certificate, things like lights, brakes, suspension, number plates, reflectors, tyres are checked. The Certificado de Emisiones Contaminantes is an emissions test. New bikes do not need a Revision Tecnica until they reach a certain age (not sure how old) These two certificates cost around 8,000 pesos and must be got to obtain the Permiso de Circulacion.

Permiso de Circulacion - this is the final certificate to be obtained in the annual process of renewing paperwork. A bike with the Permiso de Circulacion must have the Certificado de Revision Tecnica Clase B, Certificado de Emisiones Contaminantes and Seguro Obligatorio. To obtain a Permiso de Circulacion you have to present the Certificado de Revision Tecnica Clase B, Certificado de Emisiones Contaminantes, Seguro Obligatorio and your Padron to the Municipalidad. You have to pay to receive the Permiso de Circulacion, the amount is a percentage of the value of your bike the more expensive your bike the more you have to pay. I had to pay 23,000 pesos for a 2001 Honda Falcon, but my friend had to pay 80,000 pesos for a 2008 Yamaha. Once the Permiso de Circulacion has been obtained all the paperwork for the bike is up to date.

Contrato de Compra-Venta de Vehiculo - This is signed by both the vendor and you and you receive a copy when you have paid for the bike,
it says who the buyer and vendor are, confirms that the impuesto is paid, this piece of paper is done by the Notario. If you complete the sale with the vendor by going directly to the Registro Civil, is not necessary to have a signed contract in notaria, you do it verbally in front of an officer and then they give you the solicitud de transferencia

Solicitud de Transferencia - This is issued by the Registro Civil at the time you present the Contrato de Compra-Venta de Vehiculo and pay the inscripcion, this says who the old owner was, who the new owner is and confirms you have paid the inscription, it is your ownership document up until you receive the Padron.

Certificado de Anotaciones Vigentes - This confirms who is the owner of the bike, and lets you check to see if there is finance owing on the bike, it will also give you a list of previous owners of the bike, it can be purchased over the internet from the Registro Civil, or from their offices for around 800 pesos and should be provided by the owner. Always read it before signing and paying.

Padron (also called Certificado de Inscription) - This small piece of yellow paper is from the Registro Civil. It does not confirm or deny that the bike has all the necessary paperwork. The Padron confirms who is the owner of the bike and that alone. The Padron is the piece of paper that will let you leave Chile free from troubles and the piece of paper that you will have to present when you cross borders. All the other papers may be requested by the police in Chile, but the Padron is the only thing you will need to show when you are out of Chile.

Seguro Obligatorio for Argentina, Peru, Bolivia - This is not a requirment in Chile or to leave Chile, but it is a requirement in Argentina, Peru and Bolivia and other countries and it can be purchased easily in Chile from Magallanes Aseguradora Magallanes It can be bought for a number of days, 6 months or longer. I paid 25,000 pesos for 1 month, I recieved an A4 page printed in colour with all my bike details and 2 dates, the date it is valid from and the date it is valid until. It can be bought over the phone or from an office, you will need the details from your Padron or Transferencia to purchase it. It is valid for Argentina, Bolivia, Brasil, Paraguay, Peru and Uraguay.


Renewing Papers

- Seguro Obligatorio
- Certificado de Revision Tecnica Clase B
- Certificado de Emisiones Contaminantes
- Permiso de Circulacion

When these papers expire it will be your responsibility to to renew them. This is not difficult, the only potential problem is with the Revision Tecnica. It requires side reflectors front and back, both the front and rear number plates. However if your bike fails you have about 3 weeks to correct the problems and represent the bike, the second time you will not have to pay again as long as you represent the bike within the time limit indicated on the papers. If the bike you are going to buy does not have a front number plate (placa patente) and you are going to have to renew the papers, make sure you ask the owner for it. Another one can be obtained from the Registro Civil without too much trouble or too much cost, but it is easier not to have to do this.

If the papers for your bike are going to expire while you are going to be travelling in another country i would not worry too much, they can be renewed when you return to Chile, no one will ask to see the above papers except possibly the police in Chile and if you explain that you are on your way to renew them you should be OK.


A few other things

- For tyres and equipment you can look in Calle Lira,
- For cheap tools go to the corner of 10 de Julio and Vicuña Mackenna and walk down 10 de Julio towards Lira.
- There are limits per day on ATM withdrawals in Chile and fees are charged by the ATMs, you can obtain Cash from Citibank and Banco de Chile using Visa, but with a limit of $500USD per bank per day.
- I wrote this with the help of members of the Santiago Hubb Community and a lawyer who i stayed with in Sanitiago.


Selling the Bike

This is an easy part. Put and add in Chileautos.cl: miles de veh�*culos nuevos y usados and Portal de Motos - Ventas de Motos - Foro - Clubes - Actualidad y Noticias . Buy a local SIM card so you have a local phone number, they are not expensive. Make sure to advertise the bike with Papeles al Dia, also point out to everyone that you are the owner, this is a definite selling point (many people sell bikes on behalf of the owner, more complicated for the buyer). I also had luck with parking my bike during the day on the sidewalk of Calle Lira (Saturday is the best day) with a sign with the price, phone number etc.
When you find a buyer, agree on a price and you are ready. it does not matter to you if the buyer wants to use a Notaria or go directly to the Registro Civil, because the buyer will be paying all the fees. (because you are a gringo they will probably try to negotiate that you pay some of the fees, but just firmly decline).
One thing you will probably have to pay for is the Certificado de Anotaciones Vigentes. but the cost is less than 3000 pesos.
The paperwork you will need is all the bike papers (or at the very least the Permiso de Circulacion) and your plastic card with your RUT, you NEED this now so this is why it is so important to collect it within the 6 months)
You meet the buyer, sign a few papers, collect your cash and you`re done

For the record, I bought a 2001 Honda Falcon for 1,950,000 it did not have papeles al dia and i had to pay 80,000 more to do these. It had 8,000ks when i bought it, but very obviously someone had fiddled with the odometer. I sold it 6 months later with 29,000ks. I advertised it for 1,900,000 and sold it to the first person who saw it for 1,870,000.

Other Hubb threads to read

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ile-help-13298
One of the same guys from the Santiago Community who helped helped Pill Wycks helped me three years later!

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...buy-sell-27330
another article on buying in Chile

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/south-and-central-america-mexico/leaving-chile-chilean-bike-foreigner-25921
A post on not being able to leave Chile and cross into Peru and Bolivia, please also read my post below.

Fantastic!! A printed copy now sits with my passport. Many thanks for all your effort.

Great Post.....
 

lachy, Welcome to the HUBB.... you have presented a carefullly researched and documented post, regarding buying a new or used motorcycle in Chile, in a clear and duplicatable fashion. Thank you.

Several of us in the Buenos Aires HUBB community are currently attempting to convince the Argentine legislature to review the practically unintelligible law restricting foreign tourists from exporting (crossing a border to another country) on their legally purchased and Argentine registered (in their name) motorcycle.

It would be extremely helpful if you could provide (in the original Spanish) the law that permits a foreign tourist to exit Chile with their legally purchased and legally registered (in Chile) motorcycle.

I could find no particular law/regulation for "Foreign Tourists,"

Your Quote: "you will have no problems at the borders, you are then the rightful CHILEAN owner and entitled to leave with the bike."

Strange that buying a motorcycle in Chile makes one Chilean???

It seems to me a Foreign Tourist will still be a Foreign Tourist even if he/she buys and registers a motorcycle in Chile.

Perhaps....If it exists.....We could use this Chilean law as an example for a revision of the current law in Argentina. Considering the past border conflicts between Argentina and Chile, I will have to tread very lightly. Years ago , prior to obtaining my permanent resident status in Argentina, Elisa and I were permitted to ride our Argentine registered motorcycles into Chile.... we were given "temporary export permits" with obligatory return dates..... other foreign tourists who post on the HUBB have been denied permission to cross between Argentina and Chile with their Argentine registered motorcyles.

I have done a little searching and could find no specific law that permits a "foreign tourist" to exit Chile with a motorcycle registered and legally purchased in Chile.

Have you addressed the issue of time restrictions placed on foreign tourists to return their Chilean registered motorcycles to Chile?

This may be because, as has been explained to me by a politician here, due to current trade agreements, only permanent residents of Argentina (with DNI) and Citizens of Argentina have the right to secure "temporary export permits" that enables them to exit Argentina with their Argentine motorcycle or vehicle. The reality is that some border posts actually fill out "temporary export permits" for permanent residents and Argentine citizens and others do not. Border with Uruguay, generally does not, but the borders with Bolivia and Brazil generally do. Although some borders with Brazil are pretty much wide open to anyone.

It was explained to me that this Argentine law was to prevent the sale of Argentine motorcycles or vehicles in another country without paying Argentine export taxes or import taxes to the country of destination.

You might want to review my thread: in forum.....South and Central America and Mexico

Buy new or used in Argentina and legally tour all of South America ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page)

for additional details.

Thanks for the information, I will direct anyone with appropriate questions to this thread.

Eat, Drink and Be Careful xfiltrate

OK, so i have just come into Chile from Peru (Arica - Tacna) and it seems that i was wrong about being able to leave Chile as a tourist into Peru and Bolivia.....
I did some asking and found a man who runs a hostel, a New Zealander who is also a Chilean Resident, and this is what he told me...
You can not leave Chile into Peru with a vehicle unless you have a Chilean Residency Card. He was sure of this, and had a car in his hostel that tourists had bought, they had a Padron as i have decribed above, but they were not allowed to leave Chile. He told me that this has been happening to all tourists with Chilean vehicles for a little while. The reason he gave is that there is trafficing of stolen vehicles from Northern Chile into Peru and this was an attempt to stop this. He also said a law was brought in about 5 years ago to enable this but it was only being enforced in recent times. Apparently the border police have a copy of this law photocopied to prove to people that this is the case (i have not seen what is says)
There are 2 other border crossings near Arica (but both are into Bolivia) these are Paso Tambo and Visviri. He was confident that the Paso Tambo crossing is also being vigilantly policed but he was telling tourists with vehicles to try the Visviri crossing and that 2 people he sent that way had had not returned a week later, so he assumed they were through.
This is certainly different from what i said in my original post, obviously me and my friends in Santiago were wrong... it is worrying that there seems to be a law preventing exit from Chile, but i do not know what it says. The good news is that border crossings into Argentina, and some into Bolivia allow you to leave on a Chilean bike as a tourist, whether this is deliberate oversight or allowed or laziness i do not know.
Apologies to Zappalives for my original critique of your thread....
i have edited my original thread to remove the staments saying you can travel anyhere and leave Chile wherever you want.

Google Maps

This is where I crossed into Bolivia, a small crossing called 'Ollague'. It was a beautiful ride but I wouldn't have wanted them to turn me around and they originally said that I could not get through but then I showed them that I had power of attorney and she said if I return to Chile later than the Power of attorney document allowed they would confiscate my bike.

It's very strict, I don't recommend it. I met a guy in Colombia who had Bolivian plates, I think it's not a bad idea to catch a bus into Bolivia and buy a bike there...

All this information is awesome. I just have one question.....do the same rules apply to purchasing a bike / vehicle in Peru? I cannot seem to find any info on this. After reading many threads on the HUBB, I am confident in all laws involving Argentina and Chile, but there seems to be little info on Peru....

Can anyone help?

Confused
 

Hey Sorry if im missing things here,

My plan is to buy a motorbike in chile, ride south and cross into argentina. Ride north and into Bolivia and then enter Peru. from peru if money is still in my bank im thinking of Ecuador and Columbia. So with the paperwork explained above ie the RUT and the Padron is this possible? i know that people have struggled getting into peru from chile but what about my route? What are the Central americas like for border crossings on a Chilean motorbike?

Any help would be brilliant. If its not possible i may have to buy a bike in each country, tour it then sell it before crossing the borders (not much fun)!

Thanks,

Eddie

Hi Eddie, yes the route you propose is fine. I have done it, other people on the HUBB have done it, i know people who are currently doing it.

Hi there, I'm going to be in Chile later this year with hopes of buying a motorcycle and seeing where I end up so all this information has been great. Just wondering if anyone is aware of any issues with getting into Brazil on a Chile registered bike owned by a non Chilean? Look forward to hearing more. Cheers

For the most part, no. In my understanding, it is (nearly) impossible for a non resident (or at least short-term tourist), to buy a vehicle in Peru and legally leave the country with it.

OTH, to buy a vehicle in Peru and not cross borders seems relatively straight forward.

Buy a used Bike in Chile
 

You have to be carefully in same Free Zones; Iquique and Punta Arenas are Citys free of taxes and you can´t leave this places in "buy in" used bike

Soo you deserve buy in Santiago, Chile.

Good luck.

Is buying a bike in South America as reliable as buying a bike in Australia or the states for example? Is insurance by the manufacturer available if you buy it brand new if you are a foreigner etc. Does anybody have this information? Would be greatly appreciated. I'm planning on buying a bike there and travelling and eventually importing it back into Australia to keep as my own.

The bikes come with a warranty and I believe in Chile the warranty can be extended. Insurance would be thru a third party company. You will pay loads more for a decent bike in Chile than in Austalia. You will ahve to pay massive import taxes in Australia when you bring the bike home. You will also need to pay a massive export tax to take the bike permanetly out of Chile.

It would be way cheaper to buy the bike in Oz, ship it to Santiago and then ship it back to OZ.

Glasswave,
Very helpful opinion mate. Cheers! I thought of that before and checked it out for shipping to SA from Aus and most cost about 1500-2500 AU. I guess that if import costs for a bike and the price difference over there (plus peace of mind) would make up for the loss. Plus I could learn the bike and modify it here in Aus before i go as well. That would also bypass the problem of bying and needing a padron in Chile to take a Chilean bought bike out of Chile right, and all i would need then is rego, insurance and a carnet...

You no longer need a carnet for S Am. It is easy to buy a bike in Chile. Jut get a RUT number and then make your purchase (do a search for the process), but if you buy in Chile, sell in chile.

Send a PM to Jabez Clegg:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...action=getinfo

for recent info on shipping Oz to Santiago. They did it recently and I don´t think they paid nearly so much.

With a foreign bike in S Am, you will only need your Ozzie rego and sometimes your Ozzie drivers license to enter most countries. That said, I would bring my title and get an international DL as well. Insurance is seldom asked for and generally when they are fishing for a bribe. Of course if you injure a person and have no insurance, you are in heaps of trouble.

In the end, the more papers you have, the better off you are. If you run into an uncooperative aduanas at the border keep handing over more papers, one at a time and they will likely grow tiered of you and send you on your way.

Thanks mate. That sounds great! Prob looking at buying her for sure now due to extra costs in buying OS and importing to Aus. plus time loss and having to modify OS. Are you planning a RTW trip soon mate?

Actually, I am writing from Medellin, Columbia, having spent the last three months coming upfrom Iquique, CH. I bought my current moto (Honda nx 400 Falcon) 2.5 years ago in Santiago, using the process described by Lachy. I had just spent 7 months crossing from Moscow to Nepal and didn´t have time to get a bike shipped from the states. I went down to Ushuia and then up as far as Peru before storing my bike there for 9 months. Last year, I mostly putzed about and around Peru & Bolivia for 3 months and again stored my bike in Iquique.

I am unfortunately near the end of my time and am planning to store my bike here until next May when I will ride CO and perhaps a bit of VE before beelining back to Chile and selling it in Arica, CH or perhaps to a hubber.

I am currently riding with Peter & Brucella (Jabez Clegg). I asked and actually found out that they shipped by plane from AUstralia to Santiago for $3000 per bike. If you have time, boat is cheaper.

Cheers,
N

Wow good on ya! Moscow to Nepal ay. also unreal. Nepal was my first country and, as with first loves, you never forget her. So definitely looking to incorporate a length on moto over there. That's where I originally got the love for travelling by moto. One day was there and just decided to hire and drive to Lumbini and back from Sauraha on a cruiser. AMAZING!

What do you pay for storing your bike?

I did get an email from Pete actually. I buzzed him the other day and he said he paid air because they didn't have time. I have time though and probably will ship.

Once again your words of wisdom are priceless.
Cheers and best of luck!

collect the Padron from any Registro de Civil?
 

Hi ive brought my wheels here in santiago, now after a delay with the registro de civil being on strike for a week im due to get my papers. I dont have my padron yet but seriously i have to leave santiago - ive been here a month and its killing me to be stuck here.

Please can someone tell me that its possbile for me to collect my padron somewhere south, like temuco - orsono - puerto montt? I can even get my hostal here to post the padron to a hostal in puerto montt!!

Any info would be fantastic.
gracias,
Eddie

You should be able to get a padron in any reasonble sized town (30,000 or more pop). I got mine in Arica, even tho I originally requested it sent to a hostal in Santiago. Also, if you have a power of attourney, you can travel on that.

So it looks like I found a bike of Chlieautos.cl, a DR650. It is pricey but I want to get up North to see the Dakar. My questions is, everyone I have talked to during my search has told me that it will take a month or more to get my Pardon before I can leave the country. However, I have been told that I can be given a "contracto" singed by the owner and the Notaria to be able to leave the country. Is this what they say by a "power of attorney"? Does it really take 30 days to get the pardon transferred into my name?

Cheers, and Happy New Year

It takes 2 to 4 weeks to get the padron. I assume that this contracto is the same as the powwer of attorney (poa). I traveled to AR, BO, EC, & CO on my poa. Some have not been so lucky with their POA's. Make sure the POA gives explicit permission for all the S American countries you might wish to travel in.

South America and beyond
 

Thanks for all the information, I'm hoping to do the same next year or at the end of this year.

Question:

If i buy a new honda bike in Chile and travel south america with it first, can I go to central america, north america or even the rest of the world on that same bike after that?

Will the POA or the padron be sufficient to get me there or RTW?

With a correctly written POA (have them specifically list all the countries you might travel to) you should be alright entering most any Latin Am country as POA's are a normal way of doing ownership transfer. In N Am or other continents, you might need an actual title or Padron.

Do keep in mind that you will not be able to sell the bike in most countries w/o paying exorbinate import taxes that will essentially render the bike worthless for anything but parts. Furthermore, if you do not bring the bike back to Chile w/in your 6 mo export permission, you can be fined when you return. This can routinely be extended to 1 year, after that I am not sure. Also, if you never return the bike to Chile, you may be facing fines & export taxes when/if you return & try to use your RUT to conduct further business.

Other countries
 

What are the best countries in South America to buy a new bike either to: not return at all, don't work with an export permission or don't fine you for not retuning within the periode which is stated in the export permission?

I would like to travel South America and have the freedom to extend my trip (to perhaps RTW or for a longer period that is stated in the export permission) without any troubles/the least troubles.

Chile is most most restriction free place to buy a bike. Well, in the end you have 2 choices. Return with the bike or not. The outcome will be of small difference regardless of where the bike was bought. If you want to keep the bike, I would buy a bike in your homeland & ship it.

Otherwise, I would buy in Chile & never return to use my RUT, they will never chase you down.

Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru
 

So if i understand correctly, countries like: Paraguay, Bolivia or Peru are more trouble than Chili to buy a bike and not returning or overstaying the export permission?

With the last quote you mean: never return to Chili again or return to Chile in the distant future but never use your RUT in Chile again?

Unfortunately, I can only tell you what I know & most of that is about Chile. When I was reasearching to buy a bike (2008). In Peru, it was very difficult to get a bike & leave the country on a Peruvian plated moto. I have seen a post by someone here that recently has done just that. The laws are changing fast down there.

I also, know nothing of the reported problems of a foreigner leaving at Chile Arica on a Chilean bike. I did it last June w/o incident.

As far as I know, that at the time (2008) there was little info on Bolivia as far as buying & selling. Bolivia is much more disorganized & outdated as far as their ability to track vehicles at the borders. People on the hubb have stored their bikes in LaPaz & had no trouble on exit. I could not find my import paper when leaving & they said don't worry about it.

When I stored my bike in Peru, then returned to Chile after my export permission was over 10 months expired, I was facing a $400 fine. I had papers from the Peruvian police showing that I had returned to the states due to an emergency & got the fine reduced to $40.

What will happen if you leave Chile on a Chilean bike & don't return it. Who knows? Computer systems are modern there & improving all the time. My hunch is that you would never be extradited over such a matter. Also, I find it doubtful that you would be stopped when entering/exiting the country over this. If you used your RUT to buy a new vehicle, you might well have problems. Borders with a different vehicle?

If I were to do what you are proposing, I'd simply resign myself to not trying to buy in Chile again. Perhaps, you could contend that the bike was totaled in another country?

If you buy a bike from another traveler & get a POA, you can likely go where ever you'd like. OTH, you could likely have trouble entering the country where the bike was from. Of course the problems may be the responsibility of the seller.

It seems to me that your main concern should be to get a bike you can easily cross borders with and the rest is merely pother.

Glasswave, thank you for the extensive answer, really appreciate it!

My goals is to start my South America tour on a new honda xr125 in december 2011 or januari 2012. If there is some money left in my wallet (time is on my side), I would like to extend my SA tour to CA-->North America, Asia and back to europe and have the freedom/feeling to do that without worrying about fines and export permissions.

To do so, I think that buying in a less organised country like Bolivia or Paraguay and a lesser intend Peru and Chile, I would reduce the change of getting into trouble when realizing the tour mentioned above and perhaps not returning. You are right, in the end it is pother (I googled it, didn't know what it meant) so I will see what will happen in the next months. Chile is still on top of my list of countries to start from.

Another thought - bikes in Bolivia seem to be more expensive (even than Chile). If I were you I'd go for buying in Chile.

I'm currently in Bolivia on a Chilean-bought bike - feel free to PM me if you've any questions.

Matt

6 months rule in Chile
 

Last year I was warned at the Argentina border that Chilean bikes need to come back into the country every 6 months or they might be confiscated....not sure if it was a real law or not, or if all border crossings will enforce it....

Peru is fairly easy to buy in and they don't have this law, bikes are a tiny bit more expensive..


Zig

I have over stayed my Chilean export twice. it is a real law & they give you an export permit on exit. It can be extended for an additional six months as a matter of course. If you are over due, fines mounts quickly, $400 for about 9 months for me, but can be reduced to 10% fairly easily. I think only scofflaws would risk impoundment. YMMV

That is correct. Simply having a RUT does not make you chilean, any more than having a social insurance number makes you a canadian. A RUT is just a number, not an indicator of immigration status.

Amazing thread mate thanks so much for the time and effort you put into it. Im sure that myself and many others will benefit hugely from your contribution! pura vida

short trip
 

Thanks for your wonderful post, this is unbelievably helpful!

I have a trip of just 3 weeks and I'm hoping to see some of Chile and Argentina, perhaps even a bit of Peru. I was hoping to buy a bike in Santiago and go from there. Is this even plausible for a 3 week trip? It sounds like waiting for the paperwork might take up my whole trip. Is there any way I can do this?

The previous owner of my current bike just left with al the temporary papers you get with the bike within a day. I traveled Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and now back in Chile with these papers without too many problems (except one policeman in Ecuador fishing for money).

So you can leave Chile with the temporary papers.

But or a 3 week trip... you also have to sell the thing!

Hi,


It was a while ago when I first started this thread, and I still remember the doubts I had before I went to Santiago to buy my bike and the doubts I had every time I crossed a border leaving Chile. All these doubts came from all the information I had read on HUBB. For someone planning a trip, who has never been to these places, it is very hard to know what information is useful, what information is crap, what is speculation and what is fact. Anyone planning to go to another country, buy a bike and do a trip will have to take a leap of faith at some point that everything will work out fine.


Everything did work out fine for me and the point of starting the thread was to try to give people the confidence that it would also work out fine for them if they are willing to give it a go. I know there are lots of people who have gone to Santiago, bought a used or new bike and had fantastic trips. I know this from people I have helped in Santiago, emails people have sent me and posts to the HUBB Santiago Community.


But what tends to happen when everything works out fine is that people don't post on HUBB after they have finished their trip. Or at least they don't post in the same place where they raised all their doubts.



If you have gone to Santiago, bought a bike and then left the country you would be helping other people who want to do the same if you just post it here. For every person who says “ I went and did it and didn't have any problems” any reader who is thinking about doing the same will be inspired with confidence that everything will also work out fine for them.

You will be given a citation of infraction at the border port of entry. I think the fine will be calculated based on the value of the bike combined with how long you have over stayed your temporary export permit (TEP). It will be your ticket and the fine will have nothing to do with the previous owner. The fine can be reduced to 10%, it seems this is a matter of course. I hear this is done by Chileans all the time. They will not confiscate your bike and you can re enter Chile, but you will have a ticket that needs to be dealt with.



It is done with aduanas. I think it can done by mail/phone but I am not sure. As I have simply let my TEP expire and the returned.


Apparently the wording on the Power of Attorney (POA) is important. Mine listed every country to which I was allowed to take the bike to. PocketHead had problems with his POA at certain boerder crossings (Arica/Tacna), but I did not at the same border. The listing of specific countries is the only difference that we could ascertain was different. It could be the person on the given day, we don't know. I entered AR, BO & PE on my POA, by the time I got to EC & CO, I had a padron.

and the answer is...
 

Hi everybody,

Am planning to arrive in Santiago early October 2012, buy a new bike from a dealer and travel through Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina and back to Santiago where I intend to sell the bike before flying back home. All up, about 4 months on the road.
The reason for buying a new bike in Santiago and selling it at the end of the trip is that it would be A LOT cheaper than buying the same bike here in Australia , ship it to Santiago and back to Australia.

After reading as many posts as I could find, and some people have made a terrific effort to help, I am still confused as to weather or not :
. i can obtain a RUT as a simple formality (without a visa of any kind)
. cross into Peru or Bolivia from Chile (crossing into Argentina does not seem to be an issue) on a Chile registered bike

It certainly seems that some people have done it without any problems, but the recurent theme seems to be that there is no certainty about the feasability of this. I am obviously not very keen of this particular uncertainty given that the whole project hinges on it !

So... what is the last word guys ?

Itinerary : Arrive in Santiago by mid-October, head North into Peru, back south into Bolivia and then Argentina, all the way to Tierra del Fuego for Christmas and New Year, back North zigzagig across the national parks and the Andes to Santiago.

Format : as many dirt roads as possible, mountain passes etc.. smelling the roses, lots of pics, occasional treck, meeting the local people.

Anyone interested in joining up for parts of the ride ?

How may I contact the local HUBB communities ?

Thanks all ,
cheers,

Yes, you can obtain a rut in Chile as a matter of course, it takes about an hour & half, but you might as well plan a day for it or at least a full morning.

If you have a padron (title) getting in/outta any country is no problem. Traveling on a power of attorney (poa) seems a little more inconsistent, but as a new bike owner you'll have a padron from the start so, "No hay problema." I think it takes about a week from the purchase to get the padron on a new bike from a dealer. Insurance will likely be required to drive away on your new bike, I don't know the process, but I'd guess all you need is a rut #. You'll likely need insurance in each separate country, if you want the bike to always be covered.

The last word will be written by you after the completion of the deal. The laws are changing quickly down there, but the Chilean process is as straight forward as anything you could expect.

The HU communtiy links are on the left, look for the orange link header below planning's gray header.

I would not worry about feasibility, your plan is solid and can be implemented easily in Chile. If you need accessories (esp boxes), I'd plan on getting them in Oz where prices and selection should be vastly better. Make your accessories look slightly used to aviod customs charges.
cheers,
n

Hi N,
me gusta mucho cuando no hay problema.
Thanks for your answer and tips.
So if I can't obtain an RUT to have everything in my name, the fallback position would be to do everything in a local friend's name who would them give me a POA...
I'll try to talk the dealership into helping me with fitting the accessories. If that fails, would you know a place (for example perhaps a bike club ?) with a bit of a workshop where I could do it (30l tank, fork springs and oil, centre stand, panniers.. nothing to complicated) ?
Muchas gracias,

I have never heard of someone ever being denied a RUT. Many people from Oz do it all the time. You would have to be in the country illegally or be a Chilean felon or something to be denied.

Generally, your rut will be written on the POA. Your RUT is a Chilean tax ID that allows you to conduct any type of business in Chile. I suppose a POA could work with out a RUT, but it would need to be a temporary poa and the original owner would still be responsible for taxes relating to the vehicle. So yes, I do believe that a POA could be written to allow you to travel on someone else's moto. It may take a full lawyer rather that a notario to produce such a contract.



Do you know what kind of bike you plan to buy? Anything larger than a Honda Falcon 400 ($8000 us) will be super pricey. A TransAlp is $16000 us. There won't be much available as far as boxes other than perhaps givi. Extra tanks and springs and such will likely be difficult id not impossible to find and super duper costly. I'd bring as many accessories as I could from home. You could always have a rack fabbed up like I did. (see below) By the way, it's for sale.

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...nx-400-a-51344

How you will transport the money to Chile is another concern if you plan on buying a big bike. I don't think you can carry more than about $10,000 cash and you will be limited to certain daily ATM withdraw amounts.

buen suerte

http://rwdacad01.slcc.edu/academics/...ucia--left.jpg

Thinking about a Suzuki dr650. Stupidly I had made a mistake in the fx rate and thought it would retail new for around AUD4000... without the fx mistake, reality is closer to AUD8500.
I can give the money to a Chilean friend here and he'd give me the equivalent in Chile.
However... now that i look at the real price, I have to reconsider the plan. If it costs AUD8000+ new, it still remains a premium bike after 4 months on the road and my potential market will still be quite thin, even at a 50% discount... just speculating..

So really maybe I have to think about getting a second hand dr here in oz and kit it out and be ready to hit the road without mucking around..

Your bike looks good btw.. I could have been interested but won't arrive in Santiago until mid Oct.. Where are you currently ?

You could always try a bike dealer in Santiago. PM me and I'll give you Moto Venturas number, they had a few second hand bikes in stock including an F650 and an old K100RT when I was in there last week.
There are plenty of other dealers in Santiago also.

Dunc.

You left Chile on a Chilean Plated bike & did not receive a single bit of paperwork? I guess it does not matter, they will have your info in the cptr. At least they did when I I arrived at the arica-puno border.

kawasaki
 

hi guys,
anyone in Santiago who could give the details of a Kawa dealer and give me an indication of the price of a new KLR650 please ?

You could try these folks. You may need to find a Spanish speaker to help out though.

MOTOVERDE - KAWASAKI

new klr 650, santiago
 

kawasaki masterbike offer klr 650, you can bargain paying cash. ask for diego, he speaks english reasonably well. basic bike at approx 9700 U$ + extras.

I assume that the circulation permit is what I have been calling a Temp export permit (TEP)? If so, as indicated, I would not worry about it. I showed up at Arica w/o one and it was no problem, I just got an infraction. I have no idea what your "technical whatever" is, so I can't speak to it, but I got back into the country with only my POA and the next time w/only my padron, both times I had an expired TEP. I have never been asked for insurance anywhere in Chile, I have never been stopped by police. I have entered Chile on my Chilean bike at least 6 times.

I you don't bring your bike back to Chile, someone may eventually be held responsible for the export fees. I do not know when or how this may manifest itself (when buying a new vehicle?, paying taxes?, getting pulled over), but if I bought a moto for a freind of mine, gave him a POA to leave Chile on my bike and then he went off and sold it, leaving me holding the bag on several thousand dollars in export taxes, I'd be very upset. You should at least contact your "friend" and announce your intention. You may be able to get a police report saying the bike was totalled or stolen and this may help, I do not know.

You told me before that you had not received any paerwork when you left Chile, but now you say you have several papers. Why wouldn't you simply call aduanas & try to extend your papers then? I do not know how to further help you, but would suggest you contact your "friend" and inform him of your intent.

Top post Lachy!!

One thing I was told here yesterday was to make sure the Permiso de Circulacion is current, like said before it’s an annual doc that needs updating, if not up to date then the new owner will be liable for back payments and possible fines. This info should not put you off, it is only something to look for!

Meet a great guy here yesterday called Francisco who has just opened up a Yamaha dealership at Mall Sport in Santiago a few months ago (fulladventure, link below), he speaks English (helps because my Spanish has still mucho improving to do). They have different bikes and not only Yamaha, was showing me a 640 Adventure. He’s a friendly guy who loves bikes, organises trips up to the desert and to the forests in the south. Bikes are expensive in Chile but if you have the money and the time before you arrive maybe he could help you line something up. They service/repair bikes there also, I’ve never tried them but would give them a go.

Some more sources for those looking to buy a bike here:
Home

This is a not easy to find this link on the KTM page that was recommended, lots of enduros but there is Adventure bikes, clicking on “dealer & service” “servicio”, “motos usadas”
Ver Usadas

MOTOS USADAS

BYW: All Chilean vehicles Permiso de Circulacion all get updated at the one time, now in March at local municipalities which place container offices in local public places to make it easy. We’ve just done the car and the mandatory bike insurance is still 35,000CLP.

BTW: RUTs that you get as a tourist is directly linked to your passport so once you have one it will be for ever more linked to that passport # and impossible to get a different RUT, unless you use a different passport. I had no problem getting mine and for tourists it starts with 48… If you open a company in Chile the company gets a RUT # linked to it and not the people who open the company. So RUTs are a way of keeping track of people and companies alike. Heard that building company’s open a new RUT for each floor they build which limits claims that may get filed. Unless info for bikers in the last bit but that’s the way RUTs work.

Me and a few friends all bought Honda XR250's in Santiago. A bit of messing around but very doable and pretty fun.

Our bikes are now in Peru, but as the registration (permiso de circulation) and the insurance (seguro obligatorio) expire this month we are unsure if we can continue. I am trying to get someone in Chile to renew them for us but it hasn't happened yet.

Do they need renewing if riding north into Ecuador and Colombia???

BTW: Would gladly help people if they need advice on taking a similar route. We also got turned around at the Arica, Chile border and had to travel to Bolivia and then into Peru. We had trouble getting into Peru because of our insurance (seguro obligatorio) but managed to get in!

Hola
 

I'm in chile, just bought a bike.. I want to ride into bolivia,
Peru, and north.
Does anyone know, is there any good places to get maps? And do I need anything else apart from padron and seguro obligatorio to leave/cross borders?
Thanks!

Help
 

In chile...
Yesterday, i was turned around at the chile/Bolivia border from colchane.
I have all the documents stated here in everyone's post.
I've spent so much time, blood tears guts and of course money trying to get it all sorted. Padron didn't work properly first time so I had to pay another notorio more money to help fast track it in iquique because there was a mistake that was out of my control.
Now I have

Padron
Rut
Seguro
Tecnico
Circulation etc
All documents fine...

Officially day from hell yesterday. After being told no at the border because I don't have residency.....
The service station had no gasolina. I spent three hours pleading locals for a couple of liters to be able to ride back to iquique and my tank didn't have enough left.. I knew it was a race against time as the weather in the Andes not to accomodating to motorcyclists at night.

Finally, a girl who lived across the road helped me, and I bought a few liters from her out of petrol can she had at her house.

Finally, time to go.. But no, my gloves had been stolen from my helmet.
I knew some older folk had seen it, and so I confronted them.. Half an hour of pleading my case and attracting a crowd, and finally a guy came back with my gloves.

Sped back trough the Andes, only to run out of petrol 50ks from iquique. Hid my bike and hitch hiked to iquique with all my gear, and my spare container. When a nice man took me back to my bike, it was pitch black, and so it took us half an hour of driving back and forth until finally I saw my bike, who had also become my current best friend alone in the darkness.

How can I ride out of chile!? Is the border from Arica to Bolivia better... Help. Has anyone done it with the papers I have? A person who is not from chile...

Hey Natchill,

Check your PMs

I have left Chile with my Chilean plated bike at many borders with nothing more than a RUT, PP, a Padron or POA (power of attourney). More specifically, I have entered Bolivia at SP de Atacama and Peru at Arica w/no problemas. Others have had this citizenship issue come up, look for posts by pockethead and at least one other. Mostly at Arica to Peru.

If I were you, I would proceed to Arica and try there. The aduanas in Arica is seldom busy and were very helpful to me. They will do whatever they can to help you.

good luck

Thanks glasswave...

Whats a pp???

So you have left successfully with a padron alone?

Also glasswave,

Do you mean to try Arica Peru border??

PP is a common abreviation for passport. And yes, I have exited Chile several times on just a pp & padron.

I was suggesting Arica, CL to Tacna, PE. I have crossed there several times with the aforementioned docs.

need some help
 

i was taking my RUT today. The friendly man at the office told me, that I have to come back to pick the RUT-Card after 3 month(!). As I want to move on soon, I can't do that but the paper he gave me is only valid for 3 Months and I planned to travel 4 month, . I told him all of this, and he said - don't worry, thats all not a problem, you can go to all these countries and sell the bike.

do you guys think I can sell the bike without this card in my hands?

thanks for your help!

I am assuming you have a Chilean bought bike.

If you sell the bike in Chile, you will need the RUT. Your temporary RUT should be fine. In other countries you will not need a RUT to sell the bike. If you sell the bike in another country (Paraguay may be an exception) either you or the buyer will be responsible for import taxes in that country. The cost of these taxes will render the bike nearly worthless. Some have sold their bike for parts. You may be able to sell it in a very rural area or to someone with "connections."

You will also be responsible for export taxes on the bike, if you do not return it to Chile. I don't know how this may manifest itself, but you may run into problems if you try and buy another bike or conduct other government business using your RUT. I doubt you would have any trouble just returning w/your passport.

if your heading back into chile to sell the bikes and your temp RUT runs out and you haven't picked up your card, you can go to the office and they will issue you with a copy of the temporary rut and change the dates, this is what they did for us, April 2012

Just want to add something about the RUTs.

The number given is "commercial" and can only be used to buy a bike from a dealer.

If you buy privately then the vehicle cannot be transfered into your name. At least not until you either have the proper plastic RUT card or have bought something "commercially" first.

We ended up just going for the notary route and will get the paperwork sorted when we get back to Santiago in January.

So far the notary letter has got us into Argentina. Will be trying Bolivia soon.

RUT, insurance etc.
 

Planning an 8-12 weeks trip starting and ending in Santiago - doing a loop into Bolivia, Argentina and if the time allows it, Peru. My question is, is it possible purchasing a motorcycle from a dealer in Satiago and getting him to do all the paperworks before landing in Chile?? Because our timeschedule is a bit tight, it would be preferable not to spend 10 days waiting for the paperworks to be done. Cheers!
Mads from Denmark

You need a RUT to buy a motorcycle or transfer a used motorcycle into your name. It is as simple as that. In theory, one could "borrow" it, but then you would still need a notoria to process the paperwork, which you would need a RUT and probably have to be there in person too. Besides, not sure you would find a dealer willing to bother with all this. I know procircuit will do the paperwork but only if you buy the bike and have a RUT number, as far as I know.

I hope someone will correct me if I´m wrong.

Good luck!

Rtw

I know this was posted back in 2012 but I have a question…

I have a temp (paper, not plastic) RUT. I have found a bike and had planned to go to the registrar civil tomorrow to transfer the bike from a private owner to myself.

If I am reading this right, this is not possible.

Does anyone have any information about this?
I was under the impression all I needed was a RUT number to buy a bike.
Has anyone bought a secondhand bike without the plastic RUT card?
I would prefer not to just go the 'notary route'.

Are you doing this in Santiago?

I was told not - to be clear, I was told at the registrar civil I could not register the bike in my name without the plastic RUT card. I was told by someone at work that this is due to the paper RUT being temporary, and subject to change. I also asked a US lawyer who works in Chile, and he said you should be able to with the paper RUT.

All that said, I was unable to get my bike plated until the plastic RUT arrived - but this was at a registrar civil in a small town, and not Santiago. If I were you I would actually go and ask before you purchase the bike, otherwise you will need to wait for your plastic RUT to arrive. If you go to the webpage of the Civil Registrar, there is a page where you can enter your temporary RUT and it will tell you when it is ready. When I did this, it gave false information - welcome to Chile.

Let us know how you get on because if they have changed policy here, it means the buying process in Chile will be greatly affected.

if that happens to you, just go to a different registro civil. It seems the rules arent too clear in Chile for this stuff. When we bought 3 bikes back in January of 2014 we registered and did ALL paperwork with just the temporary RUT without any problems. That's why they give you the Temporary RUT number!

I keep seeing buyer's guides indicating that the first step is to get a RUT... for what it's worth, when I tried to get a RUT last week at the Providencia SII (having just moved to Santiago from the US), after about 45 minutes in two lines, they told me I needed to bring a "quotizacion" (estimate) with me in order to apply for a RUT, so I left the SII pretty much empty handed.

For information.
I bought my KLR650 last week in Santiago. The hole process took 3 days and was completly done by the dealer. The only thing I have to do now by my selfe is to get the international insurance for bolivia and Peru to cross the border.
I just have to finde out where I can do that. Is it possible in san Pedro or over the internet?

Greetings
Martin

Maybe try it again? You definitely shouldn't need a quote. If not can you try another SII?

Steps to Buying a Used Bike in Santiago Chile
 

On a different note - has anyone ever;-

a; Sold a Chilean plated bike outside of Chile - to either a local or another gringo,

b; returned to Chile without the bike they left with,

c; returned with the bike but exceeded the 6 month exit permit,

d; bought Chilean bike outside of Chile and ridden it back,

The reason I ask is because I'm currently in Bolivia but don't really want to return to Chile, flavouring continuing north until I get to Colombia, Mexico, Alaska whatever...!

Can you get a RUT without a visa?
 

Hi all, would appreciate some help in some (still!) confusion i have.

Its to do with obtaining a RUT. More recent searches on the net have revealed that i need to first register my visa at the police station as the first stage of obtaining a RUT. For example the following website details the process quite nicely.

How To Get a Chilean RUT/RUN Number in Santiago, Chile

However there is one problem which im sure many share. I dont need a visa! Im from the UK and will not be stamped a visa on entry.

Now how do i obtain a RUT to buy a bike without a visa?

Does anyone have any knowledge/ recent experience of buying a bike in Chile without having a visa stamped in your passport?

Is there some other stamped document/ certificate i need to take the place of the visa? Can i skip the register the visa step and go straight for the RUT as previously described at the start of this thread?

Any help/ advice would be much appreciated as i may be starting to panic, my flight to Santiago is on the 2nd Jan 2015... thanks

C

Steps to Buying a Used Bike in Santiago Chile
 

Claire,

If you have a visa you do indeed need to register it at a police station where they take your details and give you a document you then take to get the RUT. However if you are just there on a tourist visa I can only assume you do not need to do this. I only did this this because inhad an actual work visa from the Chilean government. You should just follow the steps as detailed here and elsewhere. The situation on the ground appears to be due to the clerk on the day, but it would seem you still SHOULD be able to obtain a RUT as a tourist on a normal tourist visa. Best you can do is simply turn up and see what happens. Good luck!

Yep seems to b the swing of things... turn up and see what happens.. il let you know how i go :scooter:

Hi Claire, I think I know what's gone on here - basically it's really confusing, but in Chile there are two separate tax/identity numbers, one is the RUT (Rol Unico Tributario) - this is all you need to buy a motorbike and it's really easy to get, you don't need your visa stamped or anything - and the other one is a RUN (Rol Unico Nacional) - this is also the Chilean identity card called a cedula, foreigners can get it as well if they have a work or study visa, but the confusing part is that everyone seems to refer to the latter card as the 'RUT' as well. I have no idea why.

But so basically that page 'How to get a RUT/RUN in Santiago' is actually about how to get the proper Chilean ID card, which you don't need to buy a bike.

To get the (real) RUT you need for the purchase just go to a Servicio de Impuestos Internos office after you arrive (I think there are about four in Santiago and you need to go to the one corresponding to your address) and they will give you a temporary RUT number on a piece of paper you can use to buy a bike, then three months later you can pick up the card. I'm fairly sure that with the temporary one you can only make the purchase through a public notary, and not through the Registro Civil.

Best of luck with everything

Evernon,

Thanks for clearing that up!!

Given you seem to know what's what - maybe you could advise me on something?

I was on a temp work visa and presumably got a RUN and cedula, ie that light pink card with my photo on and fingerprint. It has an expiration date corresponding to that of my visa.

Do you foresee issues trying to sell the bike with this and/or would I need to get something else? Presumably I am still in the system with the RUT number that's on my padron?

Any suggestions would be great!

Thank you Evernon for that. . Cleared confusion up nicely! C

Just to check I assume you mean your visa and cedula have now expired?

I'm not certain but from what I gather from lachy's earlier post is that you need the plastic RUT card to sell a bike - so not just the temporary one, but the one that needed to be collected sometime between three and six months after getting the number.

If for whatever reason you didn't get that I'm really not sure. I imagine your RUT number would still be in the system, and also when I bought my one second hand via a public notary they never asked to see any cards, they just wanted to know the number.

If your cedula isn't in fact expired you could probably use that, although the RUN number will have to match the number on your documents.

Glasswave or anyone else:-

Could you tell me how to get this extended for the year? Can this be done at the Aduana on exit or must be obtained in Chile, etc?

I want to drive up to Colombia and get a job for six months so having a year outside would be amazingly convenient to my plans.

Many thanks!!!
RTW

Hello everyone,
New to the forum here.

I'm soon going to Santiago to buy a bike. I don't have any specific plans on where I'm going or for how long. So, I have the same questions as you do. Mostly if it's possible to sell the bike somewhere in Colombia or in Central America. Have you found any answers yet? Or can anyone else deliver some good news?

Thanks!
Erra

Well, I went back today, spent another 45 minutes in line, got up to the front and got my RUT on the spot. They didn't even ask for the quotizacíon that I´d brought with me this time.

Separately, I found the bike on Clasificados yapo.cl - Avisos Clasificados Gratis en Chile: Vehículos, Motos, Casas, Departamentos y otros productos., the selection is smaller than than on chileautos.cl but the prices are better. As I vaguely understand it, chileautos charges a commission but yapo does not.

success
 

it took 25minutes to get my temp RUT. i went midweek and was there for when the doors opened.

i attached the screenshots (if it works) of the 4 office locations in SNTG. I went to SNTG East Regional as it corresponded to the province of my address. The translate thingo on my Samsung does a good job for me!

Theres a specific RUT only desk to the right as you walk in. No need to take a ticket you just line up. Get your form - get them to mark which parts to fill in. After filling in, line up a second time, hand it in - they will putall the info in the system. You will be given a slip of paper which you need to CHECK and sign.

Your RUT card i was told was available after 45 days. It will be held for one year in the same office. You must collect it from there. The fella spoke perfect english so i do not believe there was any miscommunication on this.

To request a RUT you need to request & fill out Formulario (form) 4415 at the Servicio de Impuestos Intornos.

Click here for a scan of the form showing exactly the fields I filled out.

Something I have not seen mentioned on any of the Chile buyer's guides on any English site is that any unpaid fines associated with the vehicle get passed along to the new owner (unlike the US, nearly everything gets passed on to the new owner... any remaining insurance time, inspections, etc... even the license plates. It's all attached to the vehicle itself, not the owner, and it all gets transferred with the vehicle). So, it's a good idea to check if there are any fines prior to making the purchase. You can contest the fines and have them transferred back to the old owner, but it's better to know in advance. You can check for any outstanding fines at the following site.

The site wants exactly 6 alphanumeric characters for the license plate number. Motorcycles have 5... Insert a zero before the real numbers. Eg, instead of AB789 enter AB0789 into the website.

http://consultamultas.srcei.cl/Consu...ltasExterna.do

RUT
 

Hello!
I just arrived in Santiago and looking to get a RUT to buy a 125cc motorbike from a dealership.

So I went to the santiago centro SII and they gave me the form 4415.1 which is the RUT for foreigner without residency. In this case I need to go to a notaria to confirm my address (hostel) and need to find a representente.

A potential problem is that I'm not sure if the guy in charge of the hostel rent the place properly, in a legal way. So i'm not sure he'll be fine going to a notaria and be my "representente".

form 4415.1: Inscripción al Rol Único tributario y/o Declaración de Inicio de Actividades para extranjeros sin residencia.
http://www.sii.cl/formularios/imagen/F4415_1.pdf

instead of just the "normal" one:
http://www.sii.cl/formularios/imagen/4415.PDF

any idea, recommendation? Can I go back an just ask for the "normal" one?
MY main problem is my spanish which is nearly inexistant.

Thanks!

Concerning my RUT application:

The law changed on 1st of January 2015 and now for foreigner it is the form 4415.1 previously linked that you'll have to fill.
Which mean you have to find someone in Chile who will be your representent. You'll have to go to a notario with him to certificate that he represent you in Chile, and to have a certified copy of your passport and his id card.
With that in hand and the filled form, it's no problem getting the temp RUT

And with the temp RUT i went straight to the dealer, got my bike and drove off 3hours later.

They're doing the paper work for me (registration) but apparently there is a problem, so I'll have to see them today, and will keep you updated. I hope there isn't another change of law this year!!

Representantive letter
 

Hope you can benefit my recent experiences..

Obtaining RUT
Here is a copy of the "Representative" letter that you need a Chilean Resident or a Foreigner domiciled in Chile to sign. Go with your Representative to a Notary and get notarized: the letter, a copy of your passport, and a copy of their ID (cedula). It cost 7,000CLP I think. Go to the SII Office with these and fill in the 4415.1 Form.

I had a hard time to fill out the Representative Letter as I didnt know anyone in Chile. The legalese sounds scary, I asked a stranger (an Accountant) in the Tax Office to sign it for me while waiting, and she agreed; but she was put off when we spoke with the manager who outlined the responsibility she is under!

In the end, I had a French friend who is studying in Santiago, I went with her to a Notary. I returned to the Tax Office close to closing time, they objected again, but I pointed to the text citing a foreigner domiciled in chile can be a representative, eventually they relented.

I found the office in Romero 326 (serving Estacion Central area) close to Barrio Brasil to be more helpful and less congested than the Alonso Ovalle 680 (serving Central Santiago). Give an address of a nearby hostel if you want to be served by a particular branch.

Paperwork for buying the bike
I found a used bike to buy. I went with the owner to the Registro Civil, they refused to do the transfer for us. The price of the transfer would have 22,000CLP and the 1% tax of the sale amount.

We visited 3 nearby Notaries who refused to do the transfer for inconsistent reasons. I had to push the Owner to try a fourth who eventually did the transfer for us. The Notary is: Clovis Toro Campos, Compania 1312. Phone: 2 687 9682. We dealt with Ivonne Sepulveda V. Cost of transfer for 57,000CLP and the 1% tax of the sale amount.

this paper have to be signed by you and your representative, and then stamped by the notario. You also need the photocopy of the ID card of your representative and the photocopy of your passport stamped too. At least with that I didn't had any trouble having my RUT.

Hopefully I have my plates an other papers tomorrow and set off saturday morning!

Good luck.
Try at your hostel, the guy was king enough to do it for me

I wonder if the legal representative would be in any way liable, say if the bike never came back to Chile or the foreign owner somehow broke the law, ie rode without insurance, etc?

If you sell the bike outside Chile nobody will ever be able to register the bike in Chile again. Without a "poder" of the legal owner singned in a notary he/she will not even be able to enter Chile.

So this new law in Chile is bad news for every foreigner trying to get a RUT and buying a motorbike in Chile.

End of this year I planned to buy a motorbike in Chile to travel around for a year or so in South America. But as I dont know anybody in Chile (or somewhere else in SA) I obviously won´t get a RUT.

Can anybody tell me which country is the easiest now to buy a motorbike or car and explore South America and sell it later?

dont dismiss chile
 

I wouldnt dismiss Chile as a place to buy solely because there is an extra step to obtain a RUT now. There is no reason why you cant find someone to fill the Representative Form for you: there is a Chilean community here on the HUBB, I contacted people on couchsurfing to help me and found someone who said he'd fill in the Representative Form for me, a guy who posted here had the manager of the hostel do it for him. I had a French Friend studying in Santiago (considered "domiciled" in Chile) who did it for me.

I think if you explore the forum here more, you can find pros and cons of each country as a place to buy. It takes some time and effort everywhere, the important thing is to persevere.

Which new law are you talking about?
All of the mentioned rules / laws haven't changed since I know Chile, nothing new.
Cars and bikes in Chile are way cheaper than in any other country in south america, even if you loose a bit by selling it somewhere outside of Chile in a notaria to some other traveller, you are still better off.
You just have to tell him that he can't go back to Chile with that bike.

Groschi

Pretty severe restriction given that it would also stop the new owner from going to Ushuia and of course the Uyuni to San Pedro de Atacama route and a few iconic national parks and two duty free zones.

But apart from that ....

Buying second Hand from a private owner
 

Hi all,
Can someone with experience clear for me the possibility of buying a second hand bike from a private owner with only the paper RUT number . Or am I restricted to buying from dealers only?
Many thanks
Vistar

can buy from private owner with temp RUT
 

With a temporary paper RUT you can buy from a private owner also, I did it 3 months ago. I was not able to do the transfer of ownership in the Registro though, they made an excuse, so I had to go to a Notario with the owner. I posted the name of a Notario that did the transfer of ownership for me in this thread previously, some Notarios refused to do it, I dont know why its so awkward for them to do it!

Hi,

We arrived in Santiago two weeks ago and bought two new motorbikes from the Honda dealer.
Obtaining the RUT number without a Chilean Resident is still possible in Santiago. First we went to the tax office at Ovalle Str but we were given the 4415.1 Form with the information regarding the Chilean Resident. So we decided to try at another tax office. We found one at La Florida (metro station: Plaza Egana) where we got the RUT without any problems. Just have to come with the 4415.1 form filled in.
As we do not speak Spanish and we wanted to buy new motorbikes, we went to the Honda dealer at Av. Vitacura 9390 where there is a guy, Joel, who speaks English. He was very helpful. If you want, they can also do all the rest of the paperwork for you. It can take just one day.
Good luck!

Joanna and Marek

PS. We will be selling our motorbikes Honda XR150L in Santiago in January 2016, if anybody would be interested ;)

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