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Hi Erik

I have no idea sadly.

Weight is the result of convenience. Here are three bikes that start off somewhat similar but their weight goes up with convenience;

1. 2019 Honda CRF250L

144kg kerb weight, 6sp, 7.9l fuel, 18.2kw, 875mm seat height, single cylinder.
Conveniences: zero
Off road: Awesome
On road: No wind protection, minimal range, bag on the seat for luggage, single cylinder vibes.

2. 2019 Honda CRF250 Rally

157kg, 6sp, 10.1l fuel, 18.2kw, 895mm seat height, single cylinder.
Conveniences: Medium sized Fairing and screen
Off road: Awesome - just 13kg heavier than the L
On road: Some wind protection, bit better range, bag on the seat for luggage, single cylinder vibes.

3. 2019 Suzuki DL250 / Vstrom250

178kg kerb weight, 6sp, 15l fuel, 18.5kw, 790mm seat height, twin cylinder.
Conveniences: Large Fairing and Windscreen. Low seat height. Rear luggage rack. Frame and mounts for side luggage. 12v socket. ABS.
Off road: Okay.
On road: Good wind protection, luggage ready, 480km touring fuel range, smooth twin cylinder, ABS for safety.

The choice is up to you, but To quote Ace Rothstein "All right, I'm gonna give you a choice. You can either have the money and the hammer or you can walk out of here. You can't have both."

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If you are going enduro riding close to home the CRF250L is the obvious choice.

If you are going exploring further from home and will be riding on formed roads to get there the CRF250 Rally makes good sense.

If you are going adventure riding long distances, need luggage, using formed roads in various degrees of disrepair then the Vstrom makes sense.

None of these bikes are designed 'wrong'. The weight is the direct result of convenience. Pick your level of convenience, pick your bike. The money and the hammer.

Or maybe the new Rally with 300 cc engine (286 to be specific)?

A few kilos lighter, a bit more power and torque and 2,7 liter more fuel capacity. It should now go 400 kms easily on a tank if not riding with open throttle...

I have been looking at a 2019 Beta 4.0 ALP demo No kms to speak of
It is basically a enduro ,Heinz 57 model of parts that make it go
Ill bet you can find parts from every small manufacture out there
Suzuki 350 Attachment 24736 $ 5300 Canadian For sale in Colombia Beak not included

If you read earlier.
I had made my choice.

Honda NX 4

Spec:
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2 300 Euro got me a bike with very low milage, that is mechanically almost in condition as new. After some minor fixes.
The cost included a new tension unit for the cam chain, new set of chain and sprockest, oil and filters, new clutch plates.

It has some cosmetic issus like
- lacquering on platic parts bleached by the sun
- Some surface rost at some points.
But some spray and elbow grease can fix that. If wanted.

I will soon have to invest in a set of tires. But standard dimension with 21 and 17" . No issue.

I will be perfect for me.
First 1 000 kms already done.

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Congratulations with a new bike!

I really didnt know this model was available in the EU. Can you tell more about that?

I only ever saw that model in south-America.

I bought myself the simplest and relatively old motorcycle on the market, which cost about five hundred dollars. I decided on such a purchase to make a super steel horse out of it, with the best tuning and various cool things. I started with the simplest, namely, I installed a lot of color changing light bulb on it and it looked just perfect. My bike was glowing like a Christmas tree as I drove along the road and everyone was looking at me. I attracted so much attention and was glad of it. This was the first stage in tuning my motorcycle, then I'm going to carry out electronics for the radio and speakers so that I can listen to loud music while riding. This idea is very cool, but how do you like it?

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Originally Posted by Threewheelbonnie (Post 615288)

The new CRF250 is supposed to have a bigger tank. I'm expecting 11.2 litres rather than 19, but it helps.

The weight is partly self inflicted (by the motorcycle community in general) and partly because the world cannot support 7 Billion people driving Ford Edsels.

ABS because we want to be safer in mass traffic. There isn't space for everyone to have enough stopping distance on cable operated drums.
Catastrophic perverters because we don't want St. Greta whining at us.
Masses of bodywork because we want to look like we are doing the Dakar
Electronics because rider modes, LCD displays and adjustable suspension sell.
Simple materials that are light and effective are banned because we want to use ten times the amount and they kill fish even in 1970's volumes.
Bikes are cheaper than ever because they are designed for manufacturer and rarely used extreme performance not everyday use.
We demand ever bigger numbers on the spec sheet.

I am currently restoring a 1973 CL350. It is superior in so many ways to my CB500X. The basic shape is everything I could want in a bike.

I would love Honda to make a modern one but know a physically small bike will be slated on ADV-rider, MCN and other clown sites. I would love MASH or one of the other Chinese front companies to sort themselves out on quality, but the market is too small for £6000 400cc bikes.

Andy

I have just bought a 2nd hand MASH 650 x ride which looks like an XT500 but uses a Honda Dominator 644cc engine but now fuel injected (50mpg easy but 12litre tank) and only 500 mile on the clock for just over £3500 which I intend doing NC500 in scotland and later this year the marakesh loop.