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China Guid Share - KKH - Kyrgyzstan to Pakistan August / September / October 2015
Splitting away from the 2015 - Heading east from Europe, add your itinerary / plans thread to keep things neat, this is a thread to get a group together to cross China late summer early autumn 2015.
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Updated 10/03/15
Currently one or two groups organised leaving on at the start of September. See from this post onwards for details: click here |
I guess we need to start thinking about picking a date...
My plan was to enter China at the start of September as from my research this would be after the worst of the rain and landslides and before it got too cold. I am happy to push this a little later but not much past the start of October. Thoughts? |
I spoke to NAVO last year and the cost in 2013 for 1 bike on a 5 day itinerary including guides accommodation and transport (not including my own accommodation) would have been £2170
The breakdown was as follows £500 Supporting Vehicle £1670 Permit, Guid, Paperwork Further breakdown of Permit, Guid, Paperwork cost. Permtis 38 % (permits, provincial permits) - Custom process 9% (custom process and paperwork at entry and exit ports) - Cost for vehicles 8% (including the translation, paperwork, vehicle checking, compulsory insurance, temporary vehicle license and plates) - Cost for drivers 8% (paperwork, photo, translation paperwork, process and temporary driving license) NAVO's service fee 32-33% (including one guide's salary and all NAVO service from start to the tour ends when you exit China) Cost for guide 2.5--6% (guide's meal, accommodation) I have generally read good things about NAVO and they gave me the most detail when I spoke with them last year so I would be happy choosing them. I think it makes more sense if just one person contacts them for the group, I am happy to do this unless someone else wants to? |
Hi Kim late August early sept good for me .talked to bing at navo seem very professional and says he has people interested in a group around that time. He gave me aprox price of cny 7900 which converts to aprox 1100 Euros for 4 bikes . Sinky
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That is 1100 E per person
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Now then, good idea moving to a separate post. To keep things simple in my head I've been breaking down my route into one month chunks, and I had planned the crossing for the 1st September so that fits perfectly. Also means by the time I make to India the monsoon will hopefully be on the retreat.
Just echoing what you've both said already Bing sent me this. 1. If there are 4 bikes in the group, the quote is CNY 7,900 for each rider+bike. 2. If there are 3 bikes in the group, the quote is CNY 9,300 for each rider+bike. 3. If there are 2 bikes in the group, the quote is CNY 12,000 for each rider+bike. 4. If there are 1 bikes in the group, the quote is CNY 18,300 for each rider+bike. Terms and conditions Includes 1. All the paperwork needed for self-riding tour (national & provincial permits) 2. Cost for vehicle (Temporary driving license for vehicle, temporary vehicle number plate and insurance for vehicles.) 3. Cost for drivers ( Temporary driving license for driver) 4. Navo’s service charge ( Include the English-speaking guide, documents translation, tour organization etc.) 5. The rent, road toll, fuel for our escort vehicle. 6. The process fee for Customs clearance when enter/exit China. 7. Travel insurance for all travelers and guide. Kim I'm quite happy for you to be our contact. My Chinese isn't that good! All I need now is a bike, I've two weeks off work with intention of getting a DRZ sorted, three absolute belters spotted earlier and all of them sold in the last 24hrs. |
Had exactly the same quote from Bing for 4/5 bikes happy with that but he seems to think he may have others on the hook too happy to let Kim be the contact if he wants to do it.
Looks like we might be moving forward which is great. Now all I need to do is get a grou together to go thru Myanmar in October! talk soon. |
China ??
Hi guys
I am interested in joining you guys for a trip across china. I'm planing on going across Burma in oct, if we get a group together :thumbup1: Would the price get cheaper the more people we have in the group or stay around the 1100E mark ? Thanks Andrew |
Hi drew we want to cross burm in oct 2015 also looking to form group keep costs down ,we have 2 bikes so far
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KKH
Yep, I'm still keen:thumbup1:
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Great 5bikes for China . Who is up for. Burma oct , been in touch with mr tin brightview travel.com . 9day crossing 2 person usd 3405, 4 usd 2049, 6 used 1575 So the more the merrier .
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I think I can remember 4 Mandarin words, not going to be much use...
I will contact NAVO and let them know we are all together. Sinky57 & LosJuajos can you PM me either the names or email address you used to contact NAVO? Just so they can identify you, I am sure they don't know you as Sinky57 & LosJuajos. For now I will use the provisional date of 1st September. |
Sent a PM I think? New to all this.
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Hi Kim did u get pm I sent u
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Sinky57 & LosJuajos
PMs revived, I will contact Navo tomorrow before work. Thanks |
I have made contact with NAVO, will report back when I have any further information.
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Drewafrica & Benmac
Can you PM me your full names and nationalities? |
Kim, I've sent you pm.
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Hi guys, just tossing my name in the ring for KKH, not sure about Burma yet as may still opt for flight freight Kathmandu-BKK.
Still sifting through posts and blogs, but is China and Burma the only countries with guide reqs on the EU to AUS route? |
Kkh and burma
Hi k3 nny . Kim is talking to navo re our group for China . Seem like 3 so far burma need more to get cost down so if interested keep in touch . Sinky
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Please PM me you full name. You also need a guid for Iran if you are English, American or Canadian |
Sinky 57 and LosJuajos
Please clarify the clause with your agent Navo - that 5 persons of the same nationality have to travel together. This was an amendment last year by the authorities in China, for a year. I could not go thro coz of this and we were only two of the same nationality. All the best. If coming to India you are welcome. Give me a shout. |
Kayjay, I really don't think that is the case, if it is I haven't heard anyone mention it other than yourself.
Kim, speaking of Iran do you know if you'll be going that way, have you looked into a guide? |
Hi Guys,
We'd also be very keen to get on board with guide sharing down the KKH. Looks like you've got 5 already... can the group be larger than this? I've just added our trip details to the main 'Heading East 2015' thread (nice work there Kim - I'm glad I stumbled across that). How far along are the plans, and is there any chance in joining? We're 2 Australians 2 up on a '05 Transalp. We're also keen to join any potential crews for Burma some time around October 2015. Cheers! |
Kkh and burma
Hi Taylor good to here you ,u need to talk to Kim re China guide ,re burma I have spoken to others think 3 so far be good to have you on board .
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Sinky, approx when in Oct are you looking to do Burma?
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Burma
Hi k3nny would like to be crossing burma early to mid oct but no dates yet been in touch with guide to get some idea of costs but nothing firm yet . The bigger the group the better price let me know date for you . Sinky
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Sinky,
can I confirm that the burma crossing costs would cover the same spectrum of requirements as per KKH crossing? I.E. all I need to consider is my own personal expenses? Kim, did you get my PM? I'm Australian by nationality |
Burma 2015
Yes , am waiting for costs from 2 guides will let you know when I receive them. Sinky
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China Guid Share - KKH - Kyrgyzstan to Pakistan August / September / October ...
Hi guys, just chasing any potential updates on the September KKH crossing (and Burma if there is any). Is there anything I can do to help out?
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Burma oct 2015
Hi guys just got quote for ten day crossing burma for 6 bikes and rider .10 days, 1500usd pp Will send details if interested. Kim have you any news on China Sinks
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Hi sinky, definitely interested in details. If you can pass on any info you've got on entry/exit points, rough dates, and any cost breakdowns that might give me an idea of what it'll cost for two people on one bike, that'd be great. Cheers.
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Welcome to the world's best kept secret, Pakistan.
KKH is pretty but the adjacent valleys like Shamshal and Deosai are even prettier and shouldn't be missed. Keep us updated a a group of Pakistani bikers might join you. Cheers Omar |
Myanmar Oct 2015
Hi Guys
Info on overland burma - India to Thailand. Entry at Tamu exit Myawaddy into Mae Sot Thailand Based on 6 people/6 bikes and guide/gov official in own vehicle US$ 1500 per person to include hotels and breakfast English speaking guide All entrance fees NOT INCLUDED Meals lunch and dinner and drinks Tips to guide and driver ROUTE approx 10 days/ 2 star hotels Kalay – Taung Za Lat Hotel Monywa – Win Unity Hotel (Superior) Bagan – Betelnut Hotel (Superior) Mandalay – Golden Mandalay Hotel (Superior) Inle – Paradise Hotel (Deluxe Building) (Paradise Hotel Nyaung Shwe, Hotel In Myanmar ) Taungoo – Mingalar Garden Hotel (Superior) Golden Rock – Yoe Yoe Lay Hotel (Yoe Yoe Lay Hotel, Kyaik Hti Yoe, Myanmar ) Myawaddy – Myawaddy Hotel I need to finalize my China crossing dates before Myanmar date can go firm. Note to Kim - any news from NAVO re China? Cheers All. |
Looks great Sinky! We're keen (2 people, 1 bike) as long as those costs can hold steady, which is dependant on numbers I guess. Same boat as you regarding dates though. We need to start locking down China. Anything I can do to help out with either China or Myanmar bookings?
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Hi guys, sorry I haven't been on here for a while. I took on a couple of big projects and literally haven't had a day off in a month. I will read over everything tonight when I have a spare moment.
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Hi Everyone
Sorry again for my absence from this thread, I have had to take on a bit extra work to be able to afford the trip... So currently we have 8 bikes and 9 people interested Kim Benmac Losjuajos Sinky57 Philip (Sinky57's mate) drewafrica k3nny taylor-chapman with Natalie (1 Bike) If every one could make sure I have your name and the name of any one traveling with you, if I could get everyones e-mail as well that would help. When I last spoke to NAVO we were just just 5 so I will chat to them again and see what they think about group size. If we still have 11 or more people interested next year when we have commit it might be easer to treat it as two groups. I asked NAVO about the process and payment and these are the steps. 1. Agree the number of riders, route and cost. We could do this any time but I suggest we don't do this till May to allow for dropouts or late comers 2. Booking and 50% of cost May 2015 3. 50% Balance August 2015 I will contact NAVO about group size If any one else in interested please post here and PM me with name and email. Thanks Kim |
I have heard back from NAVO regarding group size.
While they don't have a limit, they do recommend not going much larger than 4 bikes due to the time required sorting out registration and licensing of the bikes. However they have said they would be willing to do a large group. One consideration is that it doesn't get any cheaper after 4 bikes, by that point the majority of the cost is licensing and registration, the guide cost in nominal. Personally I think traveling in smaller groups is preferable as it is easer to keep together and any brake downs or flats don't effect so many people. I am going to arrange a trip entering China on the 3rd of September with NAVO, anyone is welcome to join this group. However if any of you would rather enter China in August or later September then maybe we could look as a second group. If people could let me know there preference for late August / early September / mid September we can get an idea of numbers. Please also note that the costs we have been given are for 2014, the costs for 2015 will likely change a bit. Anyone traveling two up the cost of a second rider is about £230, a passenger is about £110. If you are riding two up please let me know if the second person is a second rider or just a passenger. It might also be worth pointing out that the cost is for the Paperwork (Driving Licence, Vehicle Regestration), Guid and their vehicle. We have to pay for hotels (our choice) & food for our selves, the guid and driver. As well and our own fuel and tolls. |
Kkh 2051
Hi Kim 3 September ok with us would be very happy to join you ,costs and group size ok also ,let me know if you need any info or help . Sinky
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Kyrgyzstan-China-Pakistan KKH
Hello everybody, We are two spanish people who also want to share the cost through China to reach to pakistan. From Samarcanda we willl drive through Pamir plateau and arrive at Sary Tash (Kyrgyzstan) around the 10th and 15th of July of 2015. You could contact us by this forum or to our email address: jea@ekidazu.com.
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Hi kim, yep September 3 suits us nicely too. We're just 1 rider, 1 passenger. Cheers.
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3rd September is good for me!
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Cheers for sorting this out so far Kim, 3rd September still works for me. Give me a shout if you need any help.
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Kyrgystan – China - Pakistan (middle/end) September 2015
Hello Kim!
At first: Thank you very much for your effort to connect all the people here in the HUBB who wants to go through china in 2015. That is absolut great. Thanks for that! My name is Christian Vogel. I am 33 years old and live in Diemelstadt, which is a little city in the North of Hessen. My trip on two wheels will start on May 19, 2015 in Orlando (USA) and should then goes as follows: Canada – Alaska – USA – Russia – Mongolia – Russia - Kazakhstan – Tadzhikistan – Kyrgystan – China - Pakistan – India – Iran – Turkey – Bulgaria – Slovenia – Czech Republic and then back to Germany. So now I search for a group to travel through China (KKH) preferably in the middle/at the end of September 2015 - to share the costs and so on? For the last group I am too late now. But maybe we could establish a new one?! May pricate E-Mail-Adress is: info@vogelsperspektive.de Best Greetings from Germany, Christian |
looks like 3sep kkh group is full? sinky, given you are shooting for 3sep kkh departure, do you have a firmer date in mind for a burma crossing?
i'm wondering if a later departure group/individual would still be able to link up with a burma crossing somehow kim, looking back on the pricing breakdown for kkh crossing, i assume that rider visa/entry requirements into china are covered as well? so its just personal expenses (food, accom, fuel, etc) and guide's tip that need to be factored as extra? i wonder if there will be budget conscious options at the intended stops... |
Hi k3nny , would plan to enter burma 12th October .hi drew. Taylor chapman . Wuming , would this date work for you guys , if so that's a group of 7. Sounds good to me . Let me know
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Kirguistán-China-Pakistán KKH
We will postpone our trip one month. We will be willing to cross the Chinese border the first days of August.
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Hi Sinky, yep October 12 would work quite nicely for us. We could do anything up to about a week earlier than this, but would prefer no later than the 12th.
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Kenny
Groups not full, as I said there is not a limit I just thought that if we had enough people to make it two groups things might work out easer. I will post the quote below which lists what is included but basically, we need to arrange and pay for our own Visas, food accommodation and gas PLUS the food and accommodation for the guid (plus tips). Christian & Jose Emilio Agote Hi, welcome to the thread. I have updated the second post in this thread and added your proposed enter dates. Hopefully someone will come along who has similar plans. Or maybe someone from this group will change their plans and want to go earlier / later. |
Terms and conditions
Includes 1. All the paperwork needed for self-riding tour (national & provincial permits) 2. Cost for vehicle (Temporary driving license for vehicle, temporary vehicle number plate and insurance for vehicles.) 3. Cost for drivers ( Temporary driving license for driver) 4. Navo’s service charge ( Include the English-speaking guide, documents translation, tour organization etc.) 5. The rent, road toll, fuel for our escort vehicle. 6. The process fee for Customs clearance when enter/exit China. 7. Travel insurance for all travelers and guide. Excludes 1.Accommodations and meals: You need to own account and also pay for the guide and driver during the group day. The guide and driver will eat and stay the same with the team, no matter tent or Hostel.(NAVO can help to pre-book the hostel as you require) 2. Entrance tickets: You may choose the sights or scenic spots you like, and pay it at spot when you visit. 3. Your vehicle: The fuel, road toll, traffic accident compensation, repairing cost, spare part and parking. 4. Cost for emergency if the clients enter China in advance or leave China before the end of the tour. 5. Other personal charge. |
Update
1st August Kyrgyzstan - China (KKH) - Pakistan - July/August 2015 inti +1 jose-emilio-agote +1 September 3rd [9 bikes (10 people)] Kim Sinky57 Philip (Sinky57's mate) taylor-chapman with Natalie (1 Bike) Benmac Losjuajos k3nny Mike Mike's Dad Mid / Late September christian-vogel TBC drewafrica |
Hello everybody and thanks Kim for the post.
I am Jaime, from Spain. I still don't have fixed dates, but hopefully i could either join first or second group, so, i will follow the link and update my situation asap. Just in case, i contacted an agency with included all the expenses at 1.750 $ for one bike. Maybe the price for 4 could be better than the one we already have. Just let me know if you need further information. The budget is the one that follows. It adds 2.319 $, but i had a counter offer at 1.750 $ Just check that it includes Hotels. Quote for 1 pax with 1 motor bike: Documents fee for motor bikes. 500.$ / bike (Includes Xinjiang Regoinal Athourization letter fee, Approval letter from Regoinal Department of Immigration office, Approval letter from Regional police department, approval letter from The committee of Port Supersision and Approval letter from Regoinal Toursim Beraue) Health secreening fee: 8.3$/person Translation fee for documents: 33.$/person Fee for getting temperary lycense and temperary number plate :33.$/person Service fee for documents: 200.$/Group Vehicle examination fee: 43.$/bike Vehicle decleration fee: 100.$/bike/time x 2times = 200.$ Insurance fee: 6.6.$ /bike ( above 250 CC) Tour Guiding Fee: 83.$/day x 4days =332.$ Guiding vehicle fee:700.$ (Entry from Irkeshtam to Kashgar and Kashgar to Tashkurgan) Hotel in Kashgar a twin room.(double bed bases.) 50.$/day/room x 2days =100.$ Hotel in Tashkorgan twin room. (double bed bases.) 50.$/day/ room x 1day =50.$ Hotel fee for guide and driver in Tashkurgan:42./day/room x 1room x 1day=42.$ Meals fee for guide and driver 9.$/person/day x 2person x 4days = 72.$ Total:2319.9 .$ |
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Burma oct 2015
Hi guys , think we have a group of 8 - 10 interested I have route and price details from tour co so if you can pm me email address I can send them out and we can start exchanging details and planing after christmas .sinky
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Hi guys
Sorry about the delay just been so busy with work. 3rd Sep is perfect for me. Great to see such good intrest. |
Hi, we're planning a trip through Central Asia and our second last leg goes from irkeshtsm pass to kashgar to Khunjerab pass. We'll be travelling in a land cruiser so we can also take the guide with us in our vehicle. Our estimated time to this was mid august 2015. We'll be very interested in sharing the costs and travelling convoy style for this leg
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Keen to go
Hi My name is Stephen I am looking to travel the same route at the same time I am at the Isle of Man TT in May/June then going to the HU meeting in Ireland then through EU to India Thailand Australia then back to New Zealand.
I am Interested in joining for your China crossing . NZ Citizen 48 Yo 38 years riding,Engineer/mechanic. 1person 1 bike wellss916@gmail.com |
China Burma crossing
Hi Everyone The 3 Sept works well for me and also interested in Burma I would be pleased if you could include me in your planning.
I hav'nt posted my route yet still filling in the white board. Hope to hear soon. Cheers Stephen |
Jaime
You contact does look like it might work out cheer, ours does not include hotels for either ourselves or the guid and driver. Can you PM me the company name? Ovalandrover & Seeb I haven't asked NAVO about us transporting the guid, I will when I contact them next. Let me know when you have a better idea of the dates you want to travel. Drewafrica & BSA Bob Great, I have added you to the list --- Update 03/01/15 1st August inti +1 jose-emilio-agote +1 September 3rd [11 bikes (12 people)] Kim Sinky57 Philip (Sinky57's mate) taylor-chapman with Natalie (1 Bike) Benmac Losjuajos k3nny Mike Mike's Dad drewafrica BSA Bob Mid / Late September christian-vogel Others Jimmyjei - Looking for a cheaper option Seeb - Has a land cruiser and could transport a guide (Planed Dates Mid August) Ovalandrover - Has a Range Rover and could transport a guide |
China Burma
Hi I dont know if anyone has discussed a meetind point yet, but my last confirmed date thus far is the Czech Gp in Brno 16 August
If you require anytihng or I can help in any way please contact me. Glad to be on board. Cheers Stephen |
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Wonderdul to know about the many countries you are riding through. Am in India and Bikers are Welcom home alwayz. Do let me know when you are in India. Shall catch up and ride a distance together if posssible. Any assistance here please give me a shout. All the best. |
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Am in India and bikers are welcome home..let me know when you come to India. Looking forward to hosting you or riding a distance too. All the Best |
India stopover
Hi Kayjay Thanks for the kind offer,a bit of local knowledge and hospitality will be welcomed at this stage of my tour.
Where about are you located so i can put you into the route plan. Cheers Stephen |
Am in Gujarat State Vadidaa city.
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Vadodara city
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kim - any idea if the china tour companies require copies of our visas weeks in advance? i was considering just getting it in kyrgyzstan, but if they need to be finalised earlier i need to look at getting them in turkey or iran.
also, will the tour company be able to provide LOIs? |
Hi K2nny
I will find out for you. |
Dear all,
I´m Frank (inti) and tried to form a group in July/August. Unfortunately Jose had to switch his tour on 2016. Therefore we thought about our timetable as well. We rearranged our tour, so we would like to join your group as well (we are two bikes / two person). Is that ok for you? Do you have got a detailed plan already? Greetings from northern Germany :rain: Frank |
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Hi everyone I have just had the 2015 prices through from NAVO so I think we are in a position to start setting some dates. Dates Group closure date 28th of February, while it will be technically possible to make changes after this date form my own sanity it would be good if we had a firm yes from everyone by this date. 50% deposit paid to me before the 1st of May, NAVAO have asked that the payment comes to them as one payment. 50% balance paid to me before the 1st of August Enter China 3rd September, this date has been chosen to ensure we get to border crossings on days they are open. Enter Pakistan on the 7th of September Costs (assuming a group over 4) Rider with bike CYN 7900 each (around £845 on 26/01/15) Extra rider (sharing bike) CYN 1100 Pillion Passenger 500 CYN I am happy with these costs and the service I have got from NAVO so am not looking into any other options. If you need a cheaper option then I would suggest putting another group together and looking at other companies offering similar tours. After some discussion the trip I am booking will have a NAVO car with it the whole time, if you want to join with your own car then I think it would be a great help to have an extra car but it won't change the price. Itinerary 1 Tourgart/Irkeshtam（Entry）-Kashgar* Kashgar 170km 4h Deal with all procedure at the border with the help of the guide, then go to Kashgar 2 Kashgar Kashgar Deal with the remaining procedures in the local Traffic Administration Office in the morning, get your Chinese temporary driver license and vehicle plate etc, if you still have some time in the afternoon, you can visit: Old Kashgar City, Sunday Market & Livestock Market; Id Kah Mosque;Abakh Hoja Tomb etc if you are interested in. 3 Kashgar - Karakuli Lake Karakuli Lake 210km 4.5h Heading to Karakuli Lake and stay overnight there with tranquil Lake 4 Karakuli Lake - Tashkorgan Tashkorgan 110km 2.5h Take some time staying in Karakuli rippling the beautiful snow mountain reflection, after that, drive to Tashkorgan, the ruins of a huge mud-brick fort still stand on the edge of town, and although estimated to be about 600 years old, local lore says Tashkurgan has been a citadel for over 2300 years. Also, you can enjoy beautiful scenery of Pamirs here. The Greek philosopher-scientist Ptolemy (AD 90–168) mentioned Tashkurgan in his Guide to Geography as a stop on the road to China. The Chinese Buddhist pilgrim Xuan Zang wrote about the fortress in the 7th century, when it was the furthest frontier outpost of the Tang dynasty. 5 Tashkorgan - Kunjerab Pass (Eixt) 130km 3h In the morning, drive to Kunjerab and deal with the exit procedure, then leave China for Parkistan. (Neil has suggested we ask about adding an extra day to the to the trip so we have time to do the site seeing in Kashgar, with a large group there may not be time after all the paperwork, this would put the price up a little. if the majority of the group are interested then I will ask for a price. ) Included Permits for Self-driving group All the Permits needed. Entry and exit process CIQ(China Inspection and Quarantine) and customs clearance for your vehicles at the enter/exit border Cost for vehicles Temporary Chinese number plate and insurance for vehicles etc. (the third party insurance which is also called the The Traffic Accident Liability Compulsory Insurance) Cost for riders/drivers Temporary Chinese driver license for the riders or drivers. Cost for the escort car The rent, fuel, road toll, driver, traffic accident compensation, repairing cost, spare part and parking for the escort car. Customs deposit of your vehicles We bear it all for you. NAVO service charge Fluent English-speaking tour guide accompany the whole tour; Tour organization, documents translation, forms making, permits application and other preparation by NAVO; The accomodations & meals for the guide and driver during the trip. Local group accident insurance for guests, guide and driver. Not Included Accommodations and meals of yourselves As the guests may have different preferences on accommodations and meals, so it is much more flexible to let the guests to choose where to stay and eat on the journey, so the guests' accommodations & meals are not included in my quote.(normally, it costs you around CNY 300 per day for the Acommodations and meals in China) All the entrance tickets You may choose the sights or scenic spots you like, and pay it when you visit; Your vehilces cost on road The fuel, road toll, repairing costs, spare part and parking of your own vehicles; Tips optional: If guests are satisfied with the tour, we suggest a group give guide tips about 100RMB-200RMB per day; Personal expense Drinks, souvenirs, and other personal consumptions. Visas NAVO can provide LOI and itineraries for visa application. The have also given me some advice on successfully applying for visa which I will either e-mail or PM to you each. Meeting Point I haven't really thought about this yet, does anyone have any suggestions? Somewhere a few hours drive from the border would be good. Looking at a map At-Bashi, looks like the closest town which is 156k away. |
China September
Hi Kim
Everything sounds great and I would like to confirm my interest in being included in the group to cross starting on the 3 September. I am leaving New Zealand on the 26 May but I don't believe this will pose any problems as I will be in contact via email. One question regarding the latest post you have said included in the cost is the customs deposit for my vehicle. Will I still require to Include China in my carnet document? Please let me know you require from me regarding personal details,vehicle details,ect and I will forward them to you. This is a firm YES from me !!! Regards Stephen [BSA bob] PS The LOI and Itinerary plus advice would be appreciated asap as I would like to have most things done before leaving NZ |
Now then Kim and all, I'm still all OK with the arrangements and dates.
My plan was to get the Chinease visa in Bishkek a few weeks in advance of the crossing, I'm not on a crazy schedule so will be riding around the stans for about 2 months prior. For the meetup At-Bashi seems as good as place as any, perhaps in bar bier the night before? |
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Ok kim Phil and me are in , happy to meet At-Bashi day before border crossing looking forward to meeting up . Neil
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Good deal and Navo Tours is the best.
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China September
I know I'm a bit late for this but...
Solo rider from UK. Suzuki DR 650. Some riding in India and plenty off off road experience. A doctor if that helps. Might there be a space for me? |
This point was raised before, perhaps it would be more efficient to split the group in two? Even with last minute drop outs/add ons, we're looking at a group of atleast 10 bikes - that's a sizeable convoy. I think i read somewhere that any given stop, at a minumum, is 15min + 5 min per bike, so that's 75min per stop.
Kim, you reported that the price doesnt decrease after 4 persons/bikes, but does the price increase if a second group is created? Any indication if NAVO has the capacity to support a second group? As an expression of interest, if the price remains the same, would anyone be interested in splitting the group? I don't mind becoming the POC. I intend on spending a few weeks hiking in nepal, perhaps if there are any other keen hikers we can band together (everest base camp anyone?)? |
Hi Kim,
All looks great. Myself and Nat are in (one bike / one rider). Thanks for your work to date, and let me know if there's anything I can do. Cheers, Taylor. |
K3nny, I'm not a keen hiker but I'm keen to hike in Nepal, have done previous treks in the Himalayas. Everest base camp, isn't it possible to ride there now?
For a break away group are you suggesting a different date or two groups same day? |
Hi K3nny
As I have said before I agree that the group is getting a bit large, if you were able to arrange a parallel group that would take some of the pressure off. My main concerns are as you say stopping time, the increased likelihood of punctures and brake downs and more people held up each time this happens. It might also restrict our accommodation options if we need to find somewhere that can sleep 15. As LosJuajos says, are you thinking of the two groups leaving on the same day or a few days apart? One thing to consider will be the time it will take to get 10+ bikes with carnets through customs and then get them all registered the following day. I will PM you about costs I have discussed with NAVO You mention tracking in Nepal, are you planing on riding straight through Pakistan and India to Nepal or taking your time? |
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I know the group is getting big and the other points already made. I'm good for the first group or another group a few days behind ? Cheers, Andrew |
Time to update the interest list
Early September Groups Confirmed 11 People / 10 Bikes Kim Sinky57 Philip (Sinky57's mate) taylor-chapman with Natalie (1 Bike) Benmac Losjuajos k3nny drewafrica BSA Bob martintheclark Interested Frank (inti) Petra (With Frank) TBC Mike Mike's Dad |
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I'm getting set to go. How do I get promoted to confirmed status? thanks for sorting this! M |
Hi all,
checking with Kim to see if creating a second group is going to cost more and if NAVO can support it, but i think this is something that needs to be seriously considered. A stagger of anything less than a whole day behind the first group negates the benefit of splitting the group in the first place imo. To arrive at the traffic admin office in Kashgar on a weekday iaw the itinerary Kim provided, a second group would depart on sunday 06Sep, maybe call it mon 07sep. first group can relay info back. So possible things to think about for potentially splitting the group: - who really wants to depart on the 3rd - people that already know each other obviously stick together - do we have more than 1 truck/4wd in the group? maybe one in each group? - commonality in bikes - commonality in likes/dislikes and surrounding itinerary i myself am travelling el cheapo style, so wild/camping where poss, cooking vs eating out, won't be drinking much, non-smoker. Prefer towns and country vs cities and urbanity, hiking. transalp 600, about 250-280km safe range, loaded-up cruising speed ~80kph, paper maps vs gps, intermediate mechanical experience, very basic off-roading experience. i wont be dawdling around in northern pakistan, but maybe some riding in the himalayas in india if there are nice routes. primarily i will do my hiking and exploring in nepal. i do have a very rough itinerary, by countries, that i can't seem to upload on here for some reason but willing to share by email. i'd be curious to see other peoples itinerarys and how they are tackling the visa gauntlet. p.s. i would imagine that riding up to basecamp would upset sir edmund hilary very much |
Earlier group?
Hi all,
I have been asking some people that I know in Pakistan, India and Nepal about the tour through China. The people in Pakistan recon that September is a little too late to do the KKH and suggested that a month earlier would be better. Crossing through China in September would get us to India/Nepal around October. The mountain roads in the north will then probably all be closed. As there are too many bikes for one group anyway, I wonder if anyone is interested to go earlier, around July/August Kind Regards Mike Mike's dad (aka Aad) |
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From my reading the best times are KKH: May to November North India: October - December (Monsoons until late September) Nepal: October-November My plan was September: China / Pakistan October: North India November: Nepal December: Central India However this is just from reading forums and looking at historical weather data, I have not spoken to anyone actually living along the KKH |
K3nny, like your travel style, we do the same thing (camping, cooking, non-drinker, non-smoker and nature over city). We have an XT660R and a Bonneville T100, same cruising speed too :-)
We like to spend more time in Pakistan but perhaps we could travel together through China at least? What date do you prefer? |
Hello all,
we would be glad to travel a week befor the 2.Sep. 2015. More like 20. August. Is there anybody out there who would like to do the transitin that time? Frank Petra |
But also we can not go later then 2. Sep as we are allready late in our plan. But just one question. Is it possible to split, in case there are no more people for the August transit, the 2.Sep group in 2 groups and ride the same day? Just with two groups?
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Aparentley The borders are not open at the weekends which is why they suggested the 3rd of September (Enter china on the Thursday, registration on the Friday and leave on a Monday) I guess you could also enter on a Monday, Register on the Tuesday and leave on the Friday, though any delays would mean being stuck in for the weekend. I am not to bothered by the date, happy to run it a week earlier if suits people better. |
China September
Hi Everybody as far as my plans go the 3rd Sept date suits me fine and I believe the large group is not that much of an issue other than at the administration points.(could work in out better as too many people to mess around)
On the road as long as the groups are separated by 10 minutes and there is a breakdown protocol set(only those with mechanical ability,tools ,tow rope stop to help) there should not be too much of a problem. The distances are not large and I am sure we will have enough support to sort any problems. Just a few thoughts,looking forward to meeting all. Regards Stephen |
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Hi Kim it would really upset my plans if date was brought forward
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As you say if it ends up being one big group that is certainly not a big issue, just needs a bit more discipline. Sinky57 I think we are all agreed that there will be a group on the 3rd of September. |
Going a little bit of track here, but I'd be interested to know what peoples plan of attack is with the Pakistan visa? Especially the UK guys. From what I've read it's best not to mention the bike.
I just got a LOI off Lost Horizons, cost $75 and really quick response, other places I emailed wouldn't provide one unless I booked a tour. I'm going to head to the Gerrys Bradford with this and the form in hand around middle of March (last chance before leaving) and try and get a 'good for date up to' of 6 months, which will mean I can enter the country until mid September, then stay as long as the visa is issued for 30 or 60 days. At least that's the plan, if I understand it correctly. |
Exactly the same plan here.
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Pakistan visa
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lost Horizons were quick for me too and keen to help. my visa people Scotts in London are saying 3 months only for Pakistan with lots of backup paperwork and valid on date of issue from embassy. Spoke to Gerrry they say 6 so would be happy to hear how you get on with Gerrys as you are departing before me. Good luck cheers, Sinky |
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Can the following people PM me the details below, thanks.
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Kim, if u r talking about Leh in North India the road opens in July n closes Oct due to Snow.
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