Greenland et al
 

I recalled your reference to plastic bags when I was listening to Geo Carlin recently on saving the planet.
He does nail it.

The acting man has the 8 minutes of Carlin embedded in this blog article:
An Ice Cube for Gulliver |

NASA scientific forecasts
 

Recently I came upon the item linked below and it reminded me of the extract shown above concerning a certain Dr Hansen, employed by NASA and who pulls in big bucks each and every year to publish.
C3: 2013: The NASA/Hansen Climate Model Prediction of Global Warming Vs. Climate Reality

It's just another example of how the alarming forecasts of even a few years ago just don't stack up with current measurements.
(a decade is a long time in climate science when the internet can retrieve data so readily - oh for the old days, when paper records could be more easily forgotten).

There's a whole load more reports here, peer-reviewed even:-
C3: 1 Peer-Reviewed Studies
Not omitting a few pesky other items:-
http://www.c3headlines.com/2-stubborn-facts/

Well, what do you know ..............
 

....... no cause for concern for the Arctic sea ice, it is self regulating itself on a cycle of about 60 years:-
https://rclutz.wordpress.com/
This blog writer specialises in writing about the Arctic while, along the way, he has a few pithy comments about aspects of the IPCC reports and their selective use of very dodgy temperature records.

+
A tribute to a guy who was mentioned earlier in this thread (with an interesting comment at the end about populations brought up with communism and its' media).
https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2015/06...hael-crichton/

Here's a handy hint for you.........................

When the only posts in over a week are yours, the rest of the forum has got bored and moved onto something either more interesting or more productive

Long term science
 

There is a lot of evidence to assimilate and the science is not settled.
It's not likely to be settled for a while. :innocent:

Chaotic theory
 

Gravitational Waves – and the branding of science.


A thought of the day


Some 100 years after Einstein developed an hypothesis for the existence of gravitational waves and now an experiment has been designed and conducted, in the USA, to detect such waves for the first time.
Confirmed: Scientists have discovered gravitational waves (Wired UK)


Gravitational waves: Cartoon gives simple explanation of newly-discovered phenomenon | Science | News | The Independent


That is an example of good scientific method – in this case with the experimental physics following on from the theoretical variety in order to work in conjunction with each other. It can also work out the other way around.
A third detection facility is under construction in Italy which will help to confirm the current set of results. As Einstein himself said, it takes only one experiment that produces conflicting results to disprove an hypothesis.
The scientists engaged in this have waited a hundred years to arrive at some meaningful progress.


What a contrast with the “settled science” of this thread.
The settled science that deals with something as complex as the climate -- chaos theory and the associated mathematical analysis has been applied by some specialists to the concept of analysing climate.
It quickly became apparent to them that the relevant variables are neither fully measured nor even known (you know, that old saying about the “known knowns”, the “known unknowns”, the “unknown unknowns” etc).
There are complex non-linear feedback loops of multi-variables all interacting with each other.


The chaos theory specialists came to a conclusion, quite quickly, that given the situation summarised in that last paragraph there was no point in continuing; basically, even with all the computing power available to the world today, it is just too complicated for chaos theory.
Roy Spencer, PhD
Anyone going into that website will have to look for the information I outline above – it contains a large amount of discussion which amounts to “peer review by the online community”.
Along the way, you may well encounter interesting cross referencing to two aspects: “corruption within the traditional system of peer review” and the increasing application of “community peer review”.


How is it that some politician or other, an Al Gore no less, did not advocate on behalf of the science of gravitational waves? How is it that most of the time, in most circumstances, the politicians stay out of advocacy for any specific science?
Or, put another way, how come Al Gore did, and still does, advocate for his particular brand of global warming? Could it be anything to do with his involvement in carbon trading that followed on from his “inconvenient ministry of truth” effort?
In many societies that is labelled a “conflict of interests”.
Perhaps “chaos” is well suited to the politicians who wish to advocate for a particular brand of science?

Irrational international waffle
 

"The citizens of the UK can take no comfort from saying that no rational government will take inevitably fruitless domestic mitigation actions against this background of international waffle. This is exactly what the UK Government did under the Climate Change Act 2009, and what it has since persisted in doing. The Government’s response to the Paris Agreement would seem to be further persistence in a completely irrational policy."
As written for an economics institute --
What the Paris Agreement on climate change really means | Institute of Economic Affairs

Incidentally, but not really incidental, the UK energy supply policy is on very shaky ground as a direct consequence of the PC nonsense - the French owned electricity company, EDF, is having cold feet about the deals they have struck to construct the next nuclear power plant. Each winter we are a step nearer to demand exceeding supply.

You mean this Carlin ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c

Gc rip
 

The one and only.

I think you need to expand on that statement, or at least post another link to a pointless blog

EDF's cold feet is more to do with the fact they need to borrow more money than they are worth (circa £18billion) and poor performance on the other new build nuclear stations (over budget, behind programme and safety flaws in the design)

Enjoy the blog
 

"Spare electricity capacity, which ran at about 5% over the winter months last year, would be nearer 4% this year, National Grid said.
Three years ago the margin was 17%"
(the reference is to winter 14/15)
From;
National Grid warns of lower winter power capacity - BBC News

The energy minister who said at that time (some 18 months ago)
""Dismissing fears of possible electricity blackouts, energy minister Matthew Hancock told the BBC: "We are absolutely clear we are taking the measures necessary in order to have secure energy supplies this winter.""

is the same guy who was ripped apart by Andrew Neil a few days ago:
UK Unleashed - News
(recorded for posterity in the blog post of 4 March 2016).

So no actual information to link to your statement that EDF are getting cold feet from PC interference then?

Yes our power supply is very close to the limits, fragile to power station failures - but then its been in that situation for roughly 16 years to my knowledge

"Now, or so it would appear, EDF itself may be having cold feet. This would be quite understandable. The collapse in oil and gas prices has eaten into the company’s profits - even though the company is predominantly a nuclear generator it will have been hit by the accompanying fall in wholesale power prices – and its stock market valuation has slumped to the extent that, earlier this month, it was relegated from the CAC 40, France’s equivalent of the FTSE-100 index, and replaced, ignominiously, by a shopping centre operator"
From:
EDF Has Right To Feel Nerves Over Hinkley
And,
"Onto that can be overlaid a political dimension: EDF is effectively controlled by the French government and Francois Hollande*, the French President, has shown a propensity to interfere in its affairs in a way that his predecessor, Nicolas Sarkozy, did not"

EDF Chief Quits Over Hinkley Nuclear Plans

*There will be consequences if we, the people, choose to exit the EU - or words to that effect

This is down to cold hard cash, nothing more and certainly no "PC Nonsense"

Just spent another day on site there :)

OK, back to reality. This thread has been taken over by one radical climate change denier posting spurious links from discredited sources bought & sold by corporate pawns, lackeys of big energy polluters and their ilk. Garbage.

The majority of real HUBB travelers are not insane ... and see the reality backed up by scientific facts confirming Global Warming/Climate Change as it is. "PC nonsense"? :rofl:

Do we really need to know more when we've got Scumbags like the infamous Koch brothers pouring HUNDREDS of millions into fighting, distorting and lying regards Science FACT regarding Climate change/Global Warming?
Pretty obvious where these deniers come from.

But staying ON TOPIC and ON Motorcycles .... I wonder how many HUBB travelers have been detoured or thwarted in their attempts to travel due to some "natural" weather disaster? Just in my short 40 years of travel, I've had several significant experiences. Mostly washed out roads which meant (in some cases) doing detours of hundreds of miles to get round the slide, flood or wash out, or waiting WEEKS in order to pass.

When I lived in Guatemala (2 years) a key bridge collapsed near the Salvador border ...and that route was closed for 6 months before repaired. Infrastructure? NOPE! There were work arounds riding a bike, but no way past for 4 wheelers who had to go WAY out of their way to get through.
(A day's drive on slippery mountain road)

Many of us have ridden through and survived things like unprecedented rain events ... some breaking all previous records, massive flooding.

This sort of thing is happening not in one or two regions ... but in DOZENS of places world wide on a regular basis. Same with longer, hotter heat waves, longer droughts, more severe storms.

Winter now brings record cold at weird times of year. As the planet heats ... all systems go haywire, upsetting previous seasonal weather patterns. Unprecedented number of examples continue to rack up the stats.

Just a "Weird" year ...? don't think so. This may be our "New Normal". If out on the road, keep a close eye on the weather, have alternate route or plans. Travelers generally have a better chance at survival than locals ... we have the ability to MOVE ON if things are dangerous. (If you CAN move on!)

So rather than DENY or CONFIRM Climate Change ... ad nauseam ... I'd rather hear more about actual stories where weather or natural disasters disrupted or ended your travel. Was the weather event unusual? Unprecedented? Record breaking?

bier

It's a record breaker
 

Little did I realise how you Yanks are as infatuated with the weather as we Limeys.
But, then I saw on Al Jazeera English lang weather forecasting (a channel which goes off air in the USA next month) that you guys got a dump of snow and rainfall on to the drought striken land of your west coast recently.

Then there is the El Nino/La Nina influence - once every few years or thereabouts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E...i%C3%B1o_event

Tell us about your earthquakes, record breaking or otherwise.

Still waiting to find out more about the "PC Nonsense" you posted about............................................. .......................

Let's see how this one goes
 

Those nearest the coal face are sometimes the last to see the issues.
EDF finance chief quits over decision to push on with Hinkley Point - FT.com

EDF is in trouble, as is the more general French economy, but the UK govn has hung a substantial part of the UK energy policy on large nuclear power plants and on this company in particular.

With debt at twice their capital value, EDF have more to concern them than building a single plant; hence the man who knew the situation best had to resign to silence himself.

Blindly repeating something doesn't make it a fact.

As I said it's down to money not "PC Nonsense" as you stated, can you or can you not justify your post?

Guess you've never been here? "Infatuated"? :rofl:

Shame about Al Jazeera English ... no surprise with the current Trump-ett Fascists and Israeli run security industry running about free. Al-Jaz has been under attack since day one by Israeli backed agents.
I hope Al Jaz come back, only decent middle east news we get. (or got)

The "dump" of snow/rain was welcome ... about 20 inches in N. Cal so far for two big storms, a very good thing ... but the climatologists suggest it's a "drop in the bucket".

Reservoirs still at records lows, Snow pack still pitiful compared to normal years. We'll need maybe five more such storms to partially replenish water supplies and water shed areas. (Sierra) 5 years (some say 7?) of drought takes time to recover from.

This El Nino year could turn things around ...

Earthquakes generally have not been connected to climate change that I know of ... . I've been in a few major quakes, including in Peru' and Mexico and I showed up in Manaqua, Nica after a quake LEVELED the town. Spent a week there.

Some reputable studies now suggest Hydro-fracking may be responsible for Quakes in unforeseen locations.

Jury still out on this one but 'Fracking has been shut down in quite a few places with more to come mostly due to films like "Gasland" among others.

We've always had Earthquakes in California ... I love 'em. Keeps tourists and flat landers out. :rofl: Welcome to California ... NOW GO HOME before you're crushed in a Earth Quake ... and we've got Great White Sharks too! bier

:eek3:

El Nino is relatively NEW ... tracked back to early 70's or so. I was in Peru' for the first El Nino there in 1975 (according to local Fishermen). Devastated the fishing industry for a year or two. All they could do was pray.
And they did ... :(

Al Jaz also gave a passing nod in the direction of Flint, Michigan and the ongoing man-made lead pipes problem.

Perhaps Sanders won the State because of that factor?

Ironic.

Idiotic


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Good talk!

There is more to taking a few temperature readings of the planet than you will find in a newspaper article, much more:-
Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup #217 | Watts Up With That?

Roy Spencer, PhD


http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/


El Nino gets a mention of course.

The new dark ages
 

Melanie Phillips: Science Is Turning Back To The Dark Ages | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

Heading down the road to the new religion should suit our political lords and masters of this planet.

Data tampering works well also:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/
(their post of 9 March 2016 refers)

A critique of UK energy policy
 

"There is simply no plausible scenario by which the British government can conceivably meet its 80 percent emission cut by 2050."
from
http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf

There is a blob in the Pacific
 

A 5 minute vid about this year with reference to 1998 and El Nino:
After El Nino, Will The Global Warming Pause Continue? | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

More about the EDF pricing deal
 

About this EDF deal.
Perhaps the E and the D mean Ed Davey?


Ed Davey Who Struck ‘Worst Ever’ Deal With EDF Now Works For EDF Lobbying Firm | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

It must have taken a lot of negotiation to award a price 3x higher than "usual" to EDF.

Will Climate Change Spell The End of RTW Motorcycle Travel?
 

A few temperature readings 'found in a newspaper'? That information was compiled by the MET office, and supported by NASA and NOAA. Your constant cherry picking and obtuse denial of the facts is a wonder to behold.

They are all dissected in earlier posts in this thread.

The Met office has lost it's contract with the BBC for weather forecasting which used to be their primary reason d'etre.

You might like this read however.
Climate and Brexit | Climate Scepticism

Here's a feeling for it (for those who don't like links):-

I think both issues contain a camp that is attracted by grand schemes to determine our collective future. One sees the EU as a wonderful opportunity to do away with borders, share capital and people, stop wars, develop common standards for this and that (including toasters – an area of overlap with the next group), and so on and on, with the alternative being wars, nasty nationalisms, fortress mentalities, general gloom and despair, and too many toaster-power options. The other sees CO2 as a wonderful opportunity to control just about everything, specifying allowed behaviours – including how much power we can feed into our toasters, and so to the promised land which we are assured will be both ‘sustainable’ and ‘resilient’, with a pleasant and familiar climate to boot. Their alternative scarcely bears talking about: all the coastal cities under water, fearsome storms wracking where and what they have never wracked before, species disappearing like snow off a dyke (Scots vern.), tropical folks baked to well-done, and eskimos to medium-rare, and worse, oh much worse.
But one shared flaw (and I do suspect there may be one or two others) of these camps is their pretension to knowledge of how to do it, their marvellous assurance of what the future holds if we do this or that, follow them or disregard them. Thomas Sowell has their number:

One of the most important questions about any proposed course of actions is whether we know how to do it. Policy A may be better than policy B, but that does not matter if we simply do not know how to do Policy A. Perhaps it would be better to rehabilitate criminals, rather than punish them, if we knew how to do it. Rewarding merit might be better than rewarding results if we knew how to do it. But one of the crucial differences between those with the tragic vision and those with the vision of the anointed is in what they respectively assume that we know how to do. Those with the vision of the anointed are seldom deterred by any question as to whether anyone has the knowledge required to do what they are attempting.

Sowell’s ‘anointed’ are those convinced by grand schemes or visions for the future of mankind under the firm control of elites (the ‘anointed ones’). His ‘tragic’ ones are those with more modest expectations, those more inclined to accept the ‘ancient Greek sense of tragedy’: ‘inescapable fate inherent in the nature of things’. In my interpretation of this, we are dealing with on the one hand, the authoritarian left, and on the other, a somewhat libertarian right who see the left as hopelessly deluded about the probabilities of success for their schemes. Thus wishing to control the climate or wishing to control society are both doomed to disappointment when the complex realities of both assert themselves

Love how your now trying to join the Brexit Thread with this one with more links to useless blogs and ill founded information trawled from the interwebs

Here's a pointless but interesting statistic based on a quick straw pole

94% of your posts are irrelevant to the content of the HUBB.

?c?

As long as there is a globe to circle, two wheels to do it on...someone WILL find a way...and if a young punk can, then a 'seasoned' citizen will too, hell the oldster would probably be first out of cranky spite "ain't nobody's gonna tell me what I can do...".

There will always be bad weather and good places to ride.

I certainly hope you're right ... but based on my 40+ years of travel ... I rather doubt it.

As severe weather events go unabated (especially in fragile 3rd world countries) and infrastructure begins to collapse, we may see severe restrictions on travel and many human rights may be ignored.

Just in my brief experience I've seen how foreigners are singled out, arrested or detained. I've been in "no man's land" in Africa and been shot at on two occasions, placed under house arrest (in Sudan) and had guns held to my head (Colombia and Argentina). I've been through 3 coups, two bloodless, one not so much.

The Argentine coup of 1975 was the most dramatic as it affected THE WHOLE nation. The military had been planning the coup for months or years, so no surprise how it went down.

Traveling on US State dept. documents, sometimes this helped, sometimes not.
Sure, the quick, the brave or the dead will try to make it across a border going overland. Anyone ever done it? I have. This is no ****ing joke.

Chances are fair that locals of neighboring countries can pass the border freely, but not always so for Foreign nationals ... depending which country. The USA is not a favored country generally and there can serious resentment depending on various factors.

In 1976 when the coup of Isabel Peron (Perons' 2nd wife and then President)
by Argentine military happened, a sort of "state of siege" took place for about a week or 10 days. All borders were SHUT. Many foreigners were picked up, held and questioned .... and of course we all know about the 10,000+Desparacidos, of which I personally witnessed being dragged from there homes and thrown into troop carriers in Buenos Aires, never to be seen again. (these "arrests" happened over months after the coup)

Point is, things can get nasty FAST ... like over night. Don't count on your govt. to bail you out or help. My State Dept. connections did help me in Argentina ... as the USA were strong backers of the coup. Later in Ecuador and in San Francisco, I met dozens of lucky Argentines who saw it coming and got OUT before the coup went down.

So when things don't work right due to unprecedented weather events and food supplies collapse, water & power systems fail, well, things can heat up in the street.

Typical govt. reaction will be severe crack downs and arrests of "the usual suspects": students, Union activists, opposing party leaders or allies. Been there, seen it in person. Foreigners ... especially USA nationals, will be branded as "spies" or "outside" agitators. We're an easy target, and trust me when I tell you, it's so easy to them to gather false I-witness testimony against you if they choose.

The massacres in Guadlajara and Mexico City in late 60's/early 70' are emblematic of just how bad things can get.
90 dead in Guad, 120 in DF, hundreds wounded. In these cases the Mex military gave NO WARNING to the peaceful demonstrators. Just drove up in Troop carries, pulled back the canvas tarps and opened up with the 50 Calipers.
I talked to SEVERAL I-Witnesses and saw the blood stains on the concrete.

This is just one of many ways travelers could be slowed or stopped. And unless you've got a plan ... and connections, you could be trapped without a way forward. So keep a "weather eye" out ... but also a political eye open. Know when it's time to bail out. :rain:

A few random bits for a quiet Sunday evening in the HUBB bar
 

The HUBB PUB Chat forum - no useful content required

94% of statistics are invented on the spur of the moment by the
97% concensus.

That will be a straw pole for a straw man form of argument.

There is a Belgium guy who has come from the dark side to see, and understand, how things are in the CAGW camp.
https://trustyetverify.wordpress.com...-to-authority/
The greater the noise emanating from the anointed in the pulpit the more we question.



The useful thing I did today was read some of the blog above and, in the beautiful spring sunshine, ride the bike, and then sell it.

It's a farce – let's call the whole thing off.


The current British energy policy, based on lip service to CAGW adherents, is in the dustbin and it took a French national to highlight the point.
Finally, someone at EDF sees the £18bn farce that is Hinkley Point | Business | The Guardian

Automated Roads Threat?
 

I'm joining this late, so apologies if its already covered, but driverless vehicles strike me as a bigger threat to RTW rides. Possibly this is :offtopic:

We have automated driver functions built into vehicles now (parking etc.) and legislation requiring some features to be fitted on new vehicles ( Collision mitigation). We have telematics and a drive (I was on a government committee on this very subject) to include this in maintenance. Driverless systems exist and governments want to see efficiency and safety improvements as a result. By say 2040 I can see parts of the road network having "safe guards" that make non-autonomous vehicles difficult to use. It could be like trying to book a slot to fly your Tiger Moth over Heathrow on a bank holiday weekend, theoretically possible, but far easier for a BA Airbus with five transponders and a daily time slot on the database.

Then there are the manufacturers. I really can't see them allowing you to log your European vehicle onto the US system without paying, but bet they won't employ many staff who know how.

The solution could well be as simple as the card in your phone or more rented travel units, but I think the change will be more immediate that rising seas?

Andy

Further over your head than the ISS :rofl:

Welcome to last weeks news! told you it was about money despite your post of "PC Nonsense" that you couldn't substantiate.

Now what was that you said about Straw Man arguments?.

It's the pub on a Monday night, so anything goes.

There was a very brief news item over the weekend to the effect that driverless cars will be permitted on UK motorways next year - the thin edge of a very big wedge.
Nothing more than that was said - nothing about the insurance aspect for example.
I can imagine motorcyclists having some fun with driverless cars. :innocent:

Feeling the EDF pain
 

It must just be the Guardian that is regurgitating old news, each and every day of the week.
Hinkley Point branded potentially risky for EDF by French auditor | Business | The Guardian


Monday 14th March, and they are still spreading the FUD with their continuing analysis of the current UK energy policy:
Hinkley Point is a costly mistake, but only France*can pull the plug | Simon Taylor | Opinion | The Guardian
A very brief asbstract:
"So this is the dilemma: Britain needs the project cancelled, but that cancellation must come from France. We are relying on the French and EDF, which has already spent £2bn on the project, to do the right thing"

The UK current energy policy remains under control of the French government via its' 85% ownership of EDF.

mmm and article from last week, sounds like last weeks news too me.

Well 50% accuracy on you post is an improvement I suppose doh

Buy oil at $230 per barrel for a great deal
 

Weren't me guv, it was that Amber bird over there in the govn chair.
EDF chief executive predicts green light for Hinkley Point - FT.com

Good news!
 

It's very good to learn that there will be criminal prosecutions in the USA for those who, alledgedly, are complicit in the water supply issues of Flint, Michigan.

Do you want justice in Flint?

It is a step that remains highly unlikely to occur in the UK; the prosecutions that is.

Political Correctness rules OK
 

Current Brit Energy Policy – a short critique.
You would need to be a politician to have belief in this.
Based on the unproven, crackpot hypothesis of CAGW, the UK decided to provide itself with one of the most expensive sources of electricity yet devised – so called renewable energy, exemplified in the wind farm.


Massive subsidies for the wind farms are necessary for them to be brought into production else they are utterly uneconomic; such subsidies are paid for by the UK taxpayer.
The cost of producing a unit of electrical power by wind power is far more than that of traditional methods and the wind farm industry has been guaranteed returns thereby denying the possible utilisation of alternate technology – that single fact in itself is a disgrace and even the MSM aren't buying into the concept any longer.
The usual decision tools, such as cost-benefit analysis, don't enter into such politically inspired policy.


The traditional forms of UK energy generation have been closing down on the understanding that carbon-free generation will replace those methods – but this isn't proceeding as intended e.g. implementation of new major nuclear power plants in particular is a tad problematic.
This link provides a potted recent history of the fated Hinckley Point C project.
With Hinkley Point, squandermania has reached dangerous new heights | Simon Jenkins | Opinion | The Guardian


Alternatively, the previously coal powered Drax power station in the UK now ships wood “biomass” across the Atlantic ocean from the forests of the USA to fuel the boilers, on the grounds that it is using a sustainable resource, the forests of north America 1000s of miles away; the law of unintended consequences in action.


The high cost of such electricity leads to the loss of jobs in the UK: any UK industry that uses a lot of power, such as steel manufacturing, is at a decided disadvantage compared with other countries.
Hence, as a general rule, they are inclined to close down production and concentrate it elsewhere.
This will generate more of the CO2 emissions that the environment lobby loves to hate, with steel production in, say, China, powered by electricity from coal fired generation stations (or even lignite powered new-build stations in Germany).
You really do have to be a politician to think this one through.


So, the UK government and its' agencies, such as Ofgem, have developed plans to deal with the potential shortfalls in electricity generation that are increasingly likely during periods of high demand such as during winter.
What are these solutions?
On the supply side, it is to pay for existing systems of generation to remain in mothballs against the possibility of being brought on stream in extremis; some of the methods of earlier generating capacity are to remain available, but doing nothing useful, thereby requiring maintenance and oversight against the future possible intervention requirement, but only in times of emergency.
Stand by mobile generating capacity should also be held “on call” under retainer type contracts from those who specialise in such.


On the demand side, the intention is to pay large consumers of electricity to lower their use of electricity at peak periods; in other words, to stop productive work in UK factories to save the grid from cutting supplies of electricity to the general population – a rationing system, funded from taxation, via buying off the large consumers.
By this logic, and as a dooms-day type scenario, employees on zero hour contract conditions could have to go into their place of work on a windy winter day in order to harness the electricity generated in real time and remain laid off at peak demand times when the wind is not blowing.


Then there is CCS which is the carbon capture and storage nascent technology contained in government planning assumptions for national policy, but the research and pilot programmes have now been shelved, perhaps rightly so; but it remains a planning assumption by a current government that won't be around to either see the results of those plans or the consequences.


The economics of the madhouse, driven by the falsehood, and continually perpetrated by the political elites of the UK, anointed by the European Commission to be our new-age-green-religion mentors and masters.

Disregarding the futile attempts to perpetuate a debate everyone got bored with sometime ago, the real cause of global temperature increases is in actual fact directly linked to the decline in the Pirate Population. Clearly demonstrated by this data from a credible internet source

http://sparrowism.soc.srcf.net/home/graph.png

https://weather.com/news/climate/new...ch-global-2016

More conspiracy theory? :rofl:

Another $, another day
 

EDF Again Backs Away From Hinkley Point C Decision - News - Nuclear Power News - Nuclear Street - Nuclear Power Plant News, Jobs, and Careers
"The project that is expected to supply electricity for more than 6 million homes – about 7 percent of Britain's electricity generation – remains in limbo even though its original completion date has come and gone."

Ironically, the founder of the weather channel says it is. Watch doomsday called off.

Will Climate Change Spell The End of RTW Motorcycle Travel?
 

Most sensible governments are thankfully starting to act. So now it really seems to be a question of just how severe the change will be and how much can be done to mitigate the worst of the effects. I'm not sure it will go through but the Netherlands is trying to pass a law which will effectively ban the sale of liquid carbon cars by 2020. That's fantastic hopefully they succeed.

It would be more logical, to a politician, to ban motorcycles first - they are an easier target being a minority interest.
This gets the public used to the concept of "no use of petroleum products".

It would also make sense, again to a politician out for votes, to "deal with" old vehicles on our roads - such as by one of those scrappage schemes of a few years ago whereby old crocks would be traded in for better crocks of newer design that are fitted with all the bells and whistles of printed circuit boards, electronic brains et al.

Meanwhile, the french government and the french trade unions still have the UK national energy policy by its' balls.
Hinkley Point: French unions put nuclear plant's future in doubt - BBC News
(this project was supposed to come on stream next year).

still prolonging debates with old and irrelevant posts I see doh

There is a solution to the non-problem
 

CO2 turned into stone in Iceland in climate change breakthrough
The way forward will be for countries such as India and China to build more coal-fired power stations while this and similar technologies are used by other nations to "bury" the CO2.