Surely that's against human rights laws? I mean the flies and dust are fair enough, but...

The Poms used to ship criminals off to Australia but criminals is not the appropriate description! Any Irishman would be more than happy to set you straight, especially if you're a pom :-)

Its a Police state well country in fact! Just done 40 odd thousand K's around the globe without a ticket, never got pulled up once. Back home, 6 fines (not all speeding) in a matter of 2 months all of which were erring on the absolute minimum. C*%#'s I'm seriously over it!

Fines here in Oz (in my state) are linked to the motor vehicle registry's (customs and immigration will probably be next) They cancel your rego if you don't pay your fines, don't tell you they have done so, oh so nice of em! So if you get pulled up at a later date you not only get another fine but the complimentary colonoscopy for riding unregistered! They also stop you from getting vehicles registered till ya cough up!

Cops are not so stupid as to chase you over a ticket, they just wait for you to come back!

The thread says choose between 800 - 1200. I'd imagine it's mental conditioning that one would automatically think BMW, on the other hand it may well be Sandro's not quite perfect command of English leaving BMW out of the heading ? ;-)

The seat on the 950 Adv S was light years better than any BMW seat I've ever owned! The HP2 seat was defiantly in if not the leader in the torture board category! Cant imagine the SE seat would differ that much from the Adv S? Limited range yep, tank replacement would be mandatory, quite a list of mods for long range / term touring would have to be done at some expense too but I'm up for it and the KTM 950 Super Enduro has me interested / intrigued and motivated.

2MotoKiwis are having a good run on a KTM 950 SE 2 up despite the oxygen thief they bought it from!

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ntarctic-65500

Yea, not quite perfect like a Fox. :innocent:

I can't believe anyone would let something as MINOR as a seat and tank put them off a bike. :innocent: FACT IS ... the 950SE is the best KTM twin ever made. It's unbelievable they quite making it! :taz: Almost as bad as letting Ewan & Charlie ride off on BMW's! doh Neither 950 or 990 come close to the SE. The 1190 has 150 HP ... but who needs that in a travel bike?

A $400 USD Renazco Racing seat is money well spent and transforms the SE to a plush, all day ride ... I guess there are one or two fuel tank options as well?

When you break down stats about the SE .. it just craps on any other twin ... or really just about any other bike in class ... Period. The ONLY real draw back I've seen is poor fuel economy. My buddies get around 35 MPG (US) a bit more if they go easy.

Guys spend THOUSANDS Getting their GS's up to speed: seat, suspension, bash guards & touratech everything. If doing serious off road is the plan, hard to beat an SE ... as time goes by they will become more rare.
Question: Will KTM ever make a lighter, tour capable twin again?

Me and my buddies on their SE's in Sequoia National Forest:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-l...0/P1030370.JPG
Two SE's, two DR650's. 10 days camping in Sequoia Nat. forest. DR's had NO TROUBLE keeping up ...on or off road.

In Sandro's defence, his English is 100% better than my Italian, he probably speaks Spanish, French and some Latin too :thumbup1: KTM and BMW stopped producing the SE and the HP2 for reasons unknown, and yes I agree doh
Will they make em again ? Doubt it very much.

It does make them pricey especially the HP2 but what a ride! Soaked up more rough stuff than Boris Yeltsin's liver! On the up side when I do manage to get an SE under my butt, it may well cost a bit to sort but I'll have something usable, capable, collectable and I reckon it'll put a smile on my dial every time I get on it. If it's remotely close to the HP2 performance and handling wise I'll be wrapt!

I think Kradmelder was just making reference, seat n tank wouldn't stop anyone buying one. Replacing the seat however is money well spent and I should have done so on the HP2. This is what my butt felt like after a long day on the HP2!

I guess the SE, like the HP2 just wasn't selling. I The market was too small. I guess if you want an endure bike you buy something smaller. If you want a touring bike you bought a 1200 GS or 990 adv which doesn't need extensive modification. The SE and HP2 were just a small niche of dedicated followers. Im sure the decision to stop them was financial.

KTM is now moving in the direction of BMW with the 1190. Even the 990 is heavy on fuel. I get about 6 l/100 km. after 220-240 km the light comes on and I need 15 l. Once the light is on, you have less than 50 km to find fuel if you ride slow. The standard adv is lighter on fuel than the R mapped version like mine. The 950 SE is worse.

Wait and see if they out with the KTM 790 adv. That maybe a more tour capable bike than the 690. But who knows yet.

Yea, small niche of riders. But here in the US (once the SE was discovered) the SE is now a bit rare and hard to find cheap. SE has potential according to my 3 SE owning buddies ... who've taken them to Baja in rough conditions and beyond. For them, they are keeper bikes. bier

I was amazed at the actual weight once you fit a lighter pipe and eliminate a few other heavy items and add on lighter replacements. The SE ends up being just 20 - 30 lbs. heavier than my DR650 (:taz:) ... but with better handling, better suspension and 50 more HP!

You talking about a 790 single? Or Twin? I'd like a see a very light, total minimal 650 to 750cc twin (sort of in the SE vein).
Something along the lines of original Yamaha 750 Tenere' Dakar bike.

Like a Rally Twin but street and tour ready. :confused1: Possible?
Leave off all the street crap (ABS, Trac. control, Elec. Suspension) Leave off fancy dash and clocks, body work. Very basic.

Sadly, I doubt KTM would ever build such a bike. ... and your right, appeals to small niche only. :(