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That could be a great ... and cost effective .... solution:thumbup1:
My only question would be just HOW TOUGH are these new Suzuki wheels? I would want to be sure they can hold up to moderate abuse off road. But if they pass that test, then could be great for Africa Twin ... and other riders on tube type set ups who want to convert to tubeless type. bier |
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X-ADV scooter is another one for the list, but maybe not in the OP's 'adventure and dual-sport motorcycles' category.
I've sealed (or had sealed) spoked rims to run tubeless on a few bikes, some more successfully than others. See here. As Tim says, the bead retaining lip in a spoked rim is key but not always present on the front. So these days if I'm changing wheel sizes (as I recently did to my XSR700), I'd sooner find a cast wheel that fits to preserve tubelessness. Quote:
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Just back from Morocco trying out the new 310 and among the many sensible adaptions for off-road riding I was disappointed to see the rental place had gone to all the effort of swapping out the nice alloys for spoked which in this case unfortunately means tubes. There are certainly not always unsprung weight benefits in going spoked, as on the CB500X RR. What is more likely on the long road: smashing your cast rim beyond repair but walking away - or having to fix a puncture in 32°C? For the type of travelling which HU is about tubeless is clearly best, but not all will agree. C'est la vie. Quote:
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OP's list updated - see 1st post.
Fyi, for those with regular spoked wheels in search of TL, I recently used a vulcanised band called Airtight from Central Wheel Components (UK) to seal the spokes. £120. Excel rim; Anakee Wild tyre. Threw in some Slime and no complaints. |
Moto Guzzi V85TT have been spoked I believe since Year 2 or 3
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----------------Spoked---------------- Old Aprilia Caponord BMW F850 GS and F850 GS Adventure BMW R1100 GS Adventure BMW R1150 GS Adventure BMW R1200 GS Adventure BMW R1250 GS Adventure Ducati Multistrada 1260 Enduro (19" front) Honda Africa Twin CRF1100L (2020) Honda XL 600 LM (1980s) Honda X-ADV 750 KTM 790 Adventure and 790 Adventure R (not Rally model) KTM 890 Adventure and 890 Adventure R (not Rally model) KTM 1090 Adventure R KTM 1190 Adventure R KTM 1290 Super Adventure R Suzuki V-Strom 650XT Suzuki V-Strom 1000XT Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Yamaha XT1200Z Super Ténéré Triumph 1200 Scrambler ----------------Alloys---------------- BMW G310 GS BMW G650 GS single BMW F650 GS twin BMW F700 GS BMW F750 GS BMW R1100 GS BMW R1150 GS BMW R1200 GS BMW R1250 GS |
If this list is being maintained, you should add the Aprilia Tuareg 660
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Tubeless spoked on the Tuareg 660.
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Updated spoke/TL list 2023 below (saves going back to the OP).
Happy to receive your additions. Re alloys on adv bikes Tim, I suspect these days and even back in the OPs time you will struggle to find a non-TL (unlipped) wheel in alloy – a good reason to get travel bikes with them fitted from the factory. My rationale for helping this list along was for fitting used TL spoked rims from the list to other spoke-hub bikes as an alternative to DIY sealing a normal rim with mastic and tape, or proprietary methods like Airtight™ or BARTubeless™ But as Antyx asked unanswered back in 2018: Quote:
On both systems the spoke is reversed with the threaded end screwed into the nipple in the hub, not the rim. That pretty much eliminates matching such a rim with a conventional hub. You then need to marry your full TL spoke wheel with its hub to your forks with all the spindle/rotors/ABS ring alignment issues. At that point you might as well choose any alloy in the size you want as it's bound to be TL, and of which there are many more for bigger bikes. I did that on my XSR700 using a 19er off an XV950. Swapping rear hubs back gets even more complicated. I seem to recall I fitted some DR spoked hub onto my GS500 (came with alloys). So in that way, for my purposes this list has become a bit redundant. All which is why for a travel bike you are better off buying a bike with stock TL wheels – in most cases they'll be alloys. IMO, the whole OEM spoked TL rim thing is vanity driven, but if it's tubeless, who cares as it beats tubes. Fyi, my many pages of tubeless conversions here: https://adventure-motorcycling.com/c...s-to-tubeless/ Current working it out on my 300L – expensive as with small bikes like this 'MT' (TL lipped) rim choice is limited and a little wider. Talking of mousses which I know you have used Tim. The other day I had the idea of fitting them into a TL sealed but conventional non-MT spoked wheel (like my Honda). Ie: no safety lips. The idea was the mousse would keep the bead in place in the event of a flat or hard hit, but TL sealing would enable running road pressures which ought to minimise tyre flex and hopefully keep the ~15psi rated 'off-road only' mousse cool. Turns out John at Rally Raid tried this on a T7 @ 40psi and it seemed to work in the short term. Not sure I'd want to risk it on a long trip to a hot place. Aprilia Caponord (old) Aprilia Tuareg 660 BMW F850 GS and Adventure BMW R1100 GS Adventure BMW R1150 GS Adventure BMW R1200 GS Adventure BMW R1250 GS Adventure Ducati DesertX (search: 'Desert X wheel issues'...) Ducati Multistrada 1260 Enduro and 1160 V4 Rally Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Honda Africa Twin CRF1100L (2020) Honda XL 600 LM (1980s) Honda X-ADV 750 Husqvarna Norden 901 KTM 790 Adventure and 790 Adventure R (not Rally model) KTM 890 Adventure and 890 Adventure R (not Rally model) KTM 1090 Adventure R KTM 1190 Adventure R KTM 1290 Super Adventure R Moto Guzzi V85TT, 2021 on Suzuki V-Strom 650XT Suzuki V-Strom 1000/1050XT Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200 Yamaha XT1200Z Super Ténéré Triumph 1200 Scrambler |
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