NEW Canada / USA Carnet Issuing Authority!
 

GOOD NEWS just in from the Canadian Automobile Association, the former Carnet Issuing Authority for Canada AND the USA:
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December 16, 2015
For immediate release

FIA Carnet de passages en Douane Issuer for North America Appointed

CAA is pleased to announce the new issuing authority for the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) Carnet de passages en Douane (CPD) in North America.

The FIA has appointed the Corporation for International Business (a.k.a.) Boomerang Carnets based in Barrington, Illinois as its new Service Provider of CPD services for Canada and the U.S.. CPD processing and distribution services will be offered under the brand name Boomerang Carnets to take on the task of administering the FIA Carnet program for AAA and CAA members as well as non-members in both the U.S. and Canada.

The Corporation for International Business' founding family has a history in the international trade and transportation industries dating back to the early 1900s. A long-time issuer of the commercial ATA Carnets, Boomerang Carnets will use this experience to expand its portfolio to include the FIA Carnet de passages en Douane for tourism purposes.

Prospective FIA Carnet customers are invited to use the following contact information:

Boomerang Carnets C/O
Corporation for International Business (CIB)
325 North Hough Street, 2nd Floor
Barrington, IL 60010 USA

Carnet HelpLine 1-800-282-2900?
Mobile Carnet HelpLine 1-847-638-8325
Fax: 1-847-381-3857

The contact information form can also be used for enquiries located at:
Contact Us | ATA Carnet or (edited for web security) at
carnets {{at}} atacarnet.com

Current holders of existing CAA issued Carnets must, on their expiry, return them for discharge to:

CAA National Office
500-1545 Carling Avenue
Ottawa, Ontario, K1Z 8P9, Canada

Should a replacement Carnet be required, it must be requested from Boomerang Carnets.

CAA is a federation of nine clubs providing over 6 million Members with exceptional emergency roadside service, complete automotive and travel services, member savings and comprehensive insurance services. CAA also advocates on issues of concern to its members, including road safety, the environment, mobility, infrastructure and consumer protection.

For further information, please contact:

David Steventon
Senior Manager Standards, Accreditation & Automotive Services
CAA National Office
(613) 247-1007 ext 2015
dsteventon {{a}} national.caa.ca

Awesome news! I just posted a link to the letter in this thread Grant - feel free to delete the attachment if you'd like.

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...k-rac-68191-12

good news but its a shame the budget worksheet doesn't function...so no way to calculate costs without getting in touch!!!

Canada / USA Carnet Issuing Authority
 

Great news!!!!
Just called the Carnet HelpLine, was told that they don't have any info yet and was informed that they will start in January 2016.
I hope that they will issue Carnets for vehicles not registered in Canada or USA.
Cheers to everybody.
:scooter:

Awesome! My poor bike is probably still too cheap to qualify but I get to check!

Victor, is there NO carnet issuing authority in Mexico? If not, then according to the FIA rules, they can issue to Mexico - or any country without an issuing authority - whether they will of course is up to them, so ask now and get it on their radar - let us know what they say!

CPDs in US and Canada - more info
 

Thanks to all who have expressed interest in our recent appointment as the CPD service provider in the US and Canada. We have just posted some information on our ATA Carnet website to help applicants.

CPD blog post

There is also an informational page about CPDs there.

As mentioned in the discussion, we will begin issuing CPDs in January 2016. The best way to get an application started is to send an email to Info@ATACarnet.com with the following information:

CPD CARNET INQUIRY FORM

Resident of:
FULL NAME (S):
Permanent home address:

Home telephone numbers:
E-mail address:
List of countries to be visited:

Reason for travel: (tourism, business, study, etc.)
Date of departure: Click here to enter a date.
Date of return: Click here to enter a date.

DESCRIPTION OF VEHICLE
The following vehicle particulars must be correctly given or delay in the carnet issuance procedure may occur!
Registered in (country):
Value of vehicle at time of purchase:
Value now:
Year of manufacture:
Make of vehicle:
Chassis No.: (VIN):

Happy and Safe Travels to All!

Quote worksheet
 

Apologies about that. The quote worksheet is for ATA Carnets only though. We do not have one for CPDs yet. Thank you for your interest. We are just getting started and hope everyone will bear with us as we ramp up.

I took a peek at the website. I paid nearly $750 CAD for my last carnet. This seems a lot cheaper, $225 USD and $20 per in/out voucher as far as I can see? Makes it a LOT cheaper to travel ....

Wondering how bikes are valued and in which currency fees are paid. According the US, Canada values? According to the French FIA, values is between 100% and 250% depending on country visited, and with a minimum value of up to 3850 euros for Egypt ($5,5k canadian) which might look excessive when riding a beat up KLR ;-)

"CAUTION pour le CARNET de PASSAGES en DOUANE

La caution s’élève à 100% de la valeur vénale (cote Argus TTC) de votre véhicule, avec un minimum de 2300 euros pour un véhicule dont la valeur Argus ne dépasse pas 2300 euros (véhicule ancien).
IRAN : 150% de la valeur vénale (cote Argus) de votre véhicule, avec un minimum de 3200 euros
EGYPTE : 250% de la valeur vénale (cote Argus) de votre véhicule, avec un minimum de 3850 euros

FRAIS de Délivrance Carnet de Passage en Douane : 104 euros auxquels vous devrez ajouter 36,50 euros + 10 euros d’adhésion à l’ACF."


Lee

In the past - and everything and anything can change - value OF THE BIKE (all in local currency) was essentially "blue book" or if in doubt a valuation by a dealer, OR a recent bill of sale will do.

That's the base valuation. Then, depending on the country you're travelling to, the Carnet fee could be based on a rate of nothing for a country that doesn't charge duty (can't think of any offhand!), or 10%, or 600% depending on a couple of factors.

1: Primarily, Customs Duty and other fees charged by the country to import a vehicle. So if country X's fees and duty come to 100%, then the Carnet needs to have a valuation of 100% of the vehicle value PLUS 100% of the value. So, that means a $10,000 motorcycle is valued at $20,000 for the purpose of the carnet IF you want to go to country X.

NOTE: Choose your countries wisely, BUT always have as many countries as possible that are below your highest desired country so you have ALTERNATE ROUTES if it all goes to hell in a hand basket. 911 was a classic with everyone scrambling to get around instead of through the Middle East. Many had to fly their bikes as they hadn't planned alternate routes.

2: However - and here's the annoying bit - some countries such as India and Egypt both of which have high duty rates, are ALSO a nightmare to deal with.

Their paperwork trail is total rubbish, so they make claims to the FIA, saying that a bike entered on a carnet and didn't leave. In reality the bike DID leave but they are unable to match to the two pieces of paper, so they claim. Then the carnet issuing authority contacts the owner, who has to PROVE that he did leave the country with the bike. This is done by showing entry into another country AFTER leaving the claiming country, and ideally, by showing a carnet stamp into his/her home country. ALWAYS get your home country to stamp your bike in, even though they don't require it and think you're crazy. Get it done at the border on arrival!

So next the Carnet issuing authority deals with the FIA and the country claiming, and goes back and forth trying to prove all is well. In other words they waste a lot of time, which equals money, so they CHARGE YOU MORE to issue a carnet for those problem countries. At one point India was 600% from one authority.

Minimum values - I don't have a clue what the current is, but it will be whatever someone decides it will be - in other words enough to make doing the paperwork worthwhile! Don't forget it IS a lot of paperwork for the carnet issuing authority to do. "YOU" are enough of a problem with often a million questions, but then if there is a problem, they have to deal with that too - and they don't charge extra for all of that. It's NOT a government service - it's a for profit business and they need to make a little money.

Hope that helps!

A little sanity check please….was quoted $775US for one year CPD, not including the bond (insurance) fee or outright deposit for my moto. This would be for AUS.

This would be my first CPD - is that in line cost wise? For some reason I was thinking it would be far less - like $2-300.

Who was it from, the new USA folks, Boomerang?

I THINK 775 is a little high, but 2-300 is definitely low. BUT maybe I'm stuck in a different era when bikes were 5,000 for the top of the line not 25,000! :( Maybe this is the "new" price.

I'd be very interested to see what the fees are from elsewhere?

Remember that's ALL they get to keep for all the work they do, and it's not a trivial amount of effort.

I paid $846CAD on Feb 12, 2013 for mine. That was for a small bike ($5K minimum value) and without the bond, but for a carnet for all countries except Africa.

Thanks Grant! Yes, it was Boomerang. I had no concrete basis really for the $2-300 guesstimate, other than I thought I had read or come across that figure in another post or source. Anyway, it just stuck in my head and probably outdated. Didn't mean to imply or insinuate it was out of line - just purely my ignorance as it's my first CPD and I was just trying to gain a little more insight from those who had used the NA CAA source in the past.

My bike is one of those in the lower $5-6K value…bier

Thanks for that! That's recent enough to answer my concern. :thumbup1:
First timer just learning!

Carnet CPD Costs as of 3/16/2016
 

Folks, here's some clarity on the pricing for CPDs in Canada and the US now. We are charging US$775 for an application fee. This is charged once we received the application and all the supporting documents since that's when the bulk of the work begins.

The CAA had charged $775 or $995 depending on whether you were a member or not. If we can get the process to be less labor-intensive we will attempt to lower the price. Upon taking it over the process was very cumbersome and the FIA will not allow us to automate it like we have for ATA Carnet. That could change and will if we have any thing to say about it over time. As for the former indemnity program through the CAA it is not applicable any longer for security.

The new security program is called a Loss Prevention Security Program. The amount that is charged to the carnet holder is based on the countries and value similar to the older indemnity program. However, we return 80% of the amount charged once the carnet is satisfactorily discharged. CAA was returning 50% so we have tried to make it more affordable.

There will be ancillary charges as well such as shipping your carnet to you for instance.

FYI we are issuing carnets within 7-10 business days of receiving the application and ALL supporting document.

Regards, Leslie August

Grant

We met last year at the BC HU meet in Nakusp. I've just finished another US Canada trip to NL and AK which has been amazing.

I'm just about to ship the bike from LA to NZ then on to Uk and Europe in 2018. Before returning with bike to the US in 2019.

I have read much here but am unsure about whether a Carnet is always needed?

My bike is US registered and about to be moved to South Island NZ as a temporary import on US rego.

The shippers (Kiwi Shipping) seem pretty certain that they can do this. I do have the rego plate with me so US customs do t remove it on export and can easily keep the US rego paid.

Am I being naive?

Peter

Hi Peter,

Good to hear you're getting out there to some interesting places!

A carnet is NOT always needed by any means, MANY countries do NOT use it at all, e,g, for ALL of the Americas, NO carnet.

For your trip, NZ, UK, Europe, also NO carnet is required. Australia DOES require a carnet.

For NZ, DO read:
Paperwork | Horizons Unlimited

KEEP the plate ON the bike - US customs will NOT (read bloody better not) remove it. It's none of their business and they don't care about the registration, and it's a legal requirement for the plate to be on there.

hope that helps!

Thanks
 

Grant you're a star and this confirms what I believed ...

I have the plate with me and the bike will join me at the ned of the year or early next.

Made st Johns NF and Prudhoe Bay this year which was fun.

Back in Sydney filling the bank account and good will account with family.

Hope to see you soon, let me know if you and Susan are down our way there is always a place to stay for you here.

bier

Peter

Good to hear that's sorted!

Who knows when we'll be back to Australia, but thanks for the offer!

In the meantime, be sure to get the the HU Snowy Meeting. Fabulous new venue at Jindabyne, it's going to be awesome!
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/events/snowy-2016

New website for US and Canadian CPDs
 

Boomerang carnets now has a website exclusively for carnets de passage which hopefully will help provide better information for users. For inquiries about a specific trip you can complete this online form and we will provide a quote within 2-3 business days. At this time there are two security options. We are working on a third but it will not be available until next year probably.

Carnet for Iran
 

Just a note, the new company (Boomerang Carnets), due to US sanctions against Iran, is currently unable to issue a CPD valid for Iran. After inquiring about alternatives, I was told that a US/Canadian applicant who needs a CPD for Iran can contact other issuing organisations, who will ask for a "No Objection" letter from Boomerang, which they will gladly provide.

My correspondent's recommended contact for anyone in this situation is Sukie Duhaney at CARS Europe (UK), but she said that any other CPD-issuing organization is permitted to accept applicants in this situation (results may vary), with good experiences in the past also from the Swiss and German issuing organisations.

Happy travels. :scooter:

I've send that website a few inquiries and they don't respond. Anyone have any problems starting out? They called me to tell me I was on the wrong area of their forum. I visited www.cpdcarnet.com and "About us" there is a contact form in the area.

Hey guys im applying for the carnet

for countries I select, do I put destination or transiting

also since this will be for motorcycle, do I tick the box professional equipment or "fair/exhibition"

Thank you


applying from USA

BkADV, you have the wrong carnet application. That's for "professional equipment or "fair/exhibition""
NOT vehicles.
The one you want is here http://www.cpdcarnet.com/

You'll always be transiting if it comes up on the vehicles carnet app. NEVER even THINK of staying/leaving the bike, you're in for a world of hurt if you do/say anything that might make anyone so much as think you might do that.

I think im going to have an heart attack?

sO I NEED CDP...CARNET DE PASSAGE

I check the fee...I have to give them straight up 12k USD?

Or do I just pay the net fee...and have to pay 10k USD if i dont return carnet with stamps?..

please be the net fee :(

ok

seems like 2 options, upfront minimum 5k USD despoit + fees

other is $2600 fee + application fee of 775 so 3375 total upfront..i assume

in the end when i return the carnet, they will return 2080 dollars

so net price for the carnet exluding shipping inbound/outbound is 1295 dollars

That SOUNDS BALLPARK correct. Carnets are not cheap. :(

You need to talk to them directly to get it all correct. We don't have any way of keeping track of all the possible fees for each issuer worldwide, much as we might like to. There are generally options and things to think about to get it right. Re-read the Carnet page first! Paperwork | Horizons Unlimited

Also you might want to see the explanation in the Achievable Dream DVD series now available on Vimeo - see link at top of page - where I cover how it works if you're not sure.
Hope that helps!

Why isn't Iran allowed in the carnet for Canadian users?

BTW You dont need an FIA carnet to enter Iran. Simply contact the Iranian Automobile Club and they will charge you much less.

Charging a non-refundable $1000.00cad registration fee for a carnet is extorsion. But I guess it is just the American way of doing things. http://www.atoc-moto.com/forumm/imag...-France-86.gif

It seems that the only reason is that the carnet happens to be issued by a U.S.-based company, and because of U.S. sanctions against Iran, they won't issue them, even for Canadians. It's just too bad that CAA stopped issuing carnets for Canadians!