Yes you can, as long as it stamped at the last page by a EU country, that's a proof you returned the vehicle.

In your case, as CARS issued the CDP, do you have to return the bike to UAE or to EU?

My plan is to ship the bike from India once I get there (if!) to any EU country and ride from there to Spain or the UK.

I'm leaving from and returning to UAE, that's the plan anyway.
I only need the CDP for Iran so I can't see them having any problem with me returning it providing I've got the entry and exit (both times in my case) stamped and recorded properly.

Hi,

I just had ADAC return my application and tell me to use CARS. Im supposed to be on the road now but I have to get a Carnet before I leave.

How long did it take to get your carnet once you applied with CARS?

Thanks for any info.

All the best.

Hi Pob7777,

From sending the application form to CARS to receiving the CDP in the post it took just 7 days. Infinitely better than the RAC and a vast improvement, though more expensive.

Dave The Hat

Just saw this quote on another thread:

That's a fee up to 5 x more than ADAC and ~60% more deposit.

Australia has also, quietly, withdrawn the option of lodging a bank guarantee for a CdP: the AAA quietly changed the regulations while we were getting our bank Guarantees arranged - 2x $65 down the drain... :stormy:

Last year I had a carnet for my UK reg bike, approx value £3000 from ADAC for €205 fee, plus €3000 refundable deposit. I need another one this year (for a cheaper bike) and ADAC won't issue it, sending me instead to CARS. Who quoted me £210 admin and the following options:

OPTION 1 - Security/premium fee: £900.20 of which £250.00 is refundable once your carnet has been successfully discharged.

OPTION 2 - Cash deposit of £8,000 includes a non-refundable fee of £500. We will refund £7,500 once your carnet has been successfully discharged.

What a rip off! How do they justify this?!

I was super pissed with the offer but that's it.

I had to go ahead with option A.

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Well that's put me in a really bad mood. They aren't very transparent- ADAC had all their fees on their website, Cars will only give you info if you email them, and now that I've queried their fees they are saying I have to submit a full application form so they can work it out. Not transparent at all.
Anyone know what their status is? If they go bankrupt would the £8k be covered by the FSC?

Good question, cuz it's not entirely clear is it?! :confused2:

The FCA's website says:

'Cars United Kingdom Limited is an Appointed representative - introducer.

This is a firm that can introduce customers to another firm or members of the firms group, and/or give out certain kinds of marketing material. It must be a representative of a firm authorised by the FCA or PRA, or regulated in the EEA.'

My view is that if you go down OPTION 2 above, and Cars goes Tango Uniform, then your deposit is probably in danger. You would then line-up behind all the other creditors, and probably at "The Back of the Queue" in Obama speak.

If you go down OPTION 1, and the insurer goes TU, then you will almost certainly be covered under the FSCS. The compensation level will likely be 90% of the claim value.

For absolute clarification, I suggest you check with Cars.

cdp > 12 months ?
 

CDP always appear to have a 12 month life, I assume CARS has this limitation too, RAC refused to transfer across any security premium or deposit that would have been originally paid for the initial CDP.
Thus any deposit 'costs' become an annual cost of a CDP.
If a travel period is for 14 months for example then two completely independent CDPs will need to be bought with all costs duplicated even though the 2nd cdp is just a renewal.

That is how RAC were working.
AA in south africa will transfer any deposit paid across to a renewal CDP, they also refund 100% of the deposit.
CARS policy to this regard ?

I have never understood why a cdp has to be date limited ?
I also cannot see why any deposit should not just transfer across to the next CDP at no charge.
And for that matter why can't 100% of deposit / guarantee be refunded.

I wish these monopolistic companies would just be a little fairer, honest and transparent.

Phil.

The fact that they don't have a cost breakdown on their website smacks of profiteering to me. I've been backwards and forwards with them today. They will only give me an estimate via email. For an absolute price, I have to complete the whole form (which needs all the countries I will visit, not just carnet ones - and time to be spent there). They only have an uneditable PDF - so what, I have to print it and post it to them!? I'll be paying them enough money - terrible service to boot!
Does anyone know what law it comes under that it has to be issuing by a 'home' organisation?

The "law" is the rules as set by the AIT in Switzerland, who run the whole carnet program worldwide.

I believe the reason is so that the various organisations aren't inundated by people "shopping around" and effectively wasting their time, AND also trying to administer / collect / deal with another potential language/country regs etc. Just plain keeps it simple, and it makes sense to me. The original carnet issuers were all "your local automobile association" doing carnets as a "service" to their members. :thumbup1:

The world has changed for UK and Canada/USA, with both moving to a commercial non-AA organisation. Who, guess what, want to make a profit. doh So, if you're seeing price rises, that's why. I know that in Canada, the CAA stopped doing them for two reasons - one, their Carnet expert retired, and two, they were losing money on carnets. In the UK the carnet expert got a promotion, and again, no one who knew what they were doing running carnets. So why bother training someone to run a losing proposition?

Hope that makes sense, even if it doesn't help any!

Bit of an update:
I got Cars to issue a letter of no objection and am going with the only other organisation who would have me: TCS. It's working out to be half the price of the Cars offer. Happy girl!

**** the carnet
 

.... all I can say: Forget the carnet and all this bureaucracy around it.

There is a travellers life without carnet - and if you ever should really need it, you can get it in the country before - like in Khartoum / Sudan for Egypt ...

Just be a little bit adventurous - like travellers ought to be ...


Norbert - actual in Goa / India

Do you how I can get a vehicle into Iran for more than 14 days and into Pakistan without a carnet?

Carnet de Passage U.K.
 

I found it difficult to find out a link for obtaining a Carnet de Passage and was advised to go to ADAC in Germany. I filled in all the forms and sent them the 3303.50 euros only to be told that as my bike was U.K registered they could not give me a carnet.
ADAC sent me a link for carseurope.net which is where I have now obtained a Carnet at a cost of £872.
Hope this info is useful to someone.

nepal to uk
 

Hi guys,

Im slightly confused about the carnets. If I buy a bike in Nepal and ride it back to the UK, can I keep it here in the UK, or am I expected to ship it back, or pay duty on it? Will it be roadworthy?

Thanks

Jamie

You will certainly have to pay UK import duty on it - VAT + 5%? - if you want to register it after various UK roadworthy tests which I doubt it will comply with.
Certificate of Compliance from the manufacturer is one thing I needed last year to bring a bike in from NL - it was quite a faff but much easier being EU.
Can't see an Indian CoC meeting UK requirements.

Then, with it reg'd in the UK I assume you can discharge your carnet as the bike will have been permanently exported from Nepal and duty paid in new country (not that UK does CdPs afaik).
If your Nepalese CdP refund is not much, maybe just write it off.

Fun idea that has been done before regs got tighter, but all in all I think not worth the bother.

https://www.gov.uk/importing-vehicles-into-the-uk

I looked at this from Africa last year. 20% vat and 6% duty.

If you ship/fly it back it is worse; i was advised this is charged on the value of the bike PLUS shipping costs.


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Carnet for UK bikes
 

Cars pricing is exorbitant, as others have commented above. I walked away!

There are alternatives for UK registered bikes to get a carnet which are far cheaper, quicker, and more secure. I used this for my Iran trip last year when ADAC turned me down. Send me a PM if interested as I don't want to broadcast this unnecessarily.

S

Carnet
 

Carnets are now issued in the UK by a company called CARS, who specialise in shipping classic cars. The charge rate is based on the value of your bike, so do as I did and get a HPi report which gives trade value and use this. One annoying factor is they will not post date a Carnet so I am trying to arrange to get it shipped as I do not need it until I get to Australia (via South America)
You can email them at: carnetservices@carseurope.net

I am currently getting the carnets from CARS, as we are shipping our bikes to South Africa, and for shipping, Custom in SA demand the carnet. No way round it.


Price is based on value of the bikes and number of pages on the carnet. Expensive, I must admit. Cost per bike, base on bikes' value of £2000 each:

Fee: £250
Security & Premium: £663
Refund of premium on return: £250.


This is for an XT250 09 plate, and a CRF250. Not sure of age of the CRF, as it is my husband's bike, but bought for £2300, 18 months ago so about right.


The girl doing the carnets is away until the 16th of March... so I guess I will have to wait and see if they confirm the quote price.

this seems not far off what RAC were charging. Not sure that the percentage is for South Africa (Iran, Pakistan and India was 500%)..

In 2012, my charges were:
500% of £1500 bike value =£7500
Insurance premium= £750 + 6% Insurance Premium tax £45 = £795
25 page CDP= £195
RAC refundable deposit: £350
Total: £1340

There was a second Option with CARS:


Fee £250
Cash deposit of £3,500, including a non refundable fee of 500. So a refund of £3000 on return. Per bike. (based on value of £2000 to £2,500 per bike).


Total cost £750 per bike which is more expensive than the first option.


Of course this option may be more convenient for more expensive bikes. Not sure.

Hi Simon,

Apologies i'm doing research for a big trip this year and i haven't used HU before. As i'm not able to send you a pm would you be able to send me one?
(Currently looking at Carnet and it's making me ****ing miserable.)

Thanks

Ignorant US traveler who wants to ship his bike to Europe this summer for an 8 week exploration of Europe. I have been under the impression that as long as I have green card insurance and an international driving permit there is NOTHING more I need to legally ride Europe.

Am I in the clear with what I have done or am I about to get hosed?

NC

Nope, you're good! :clap::clap:


Do be sure to have all registration documents, your drivers license and an International Drivers License available from the AA. Almost certainly not needed, but depending on where you go and who you get pulling you over, it's nice to have, eliminating hassle.

To be clear for all, a Carnet is absolutely NOT needed in Europe, North, Central or South America. Not needed in much of Africa either. You CAN do a big trip without one, you just have to pick your route.

Start Carnet information hunt here: Carnet links | Horizons Unlimited

Maybe, maybe not Grant. It depends on where you intend to travel in-and-around Europe.

Green Zones are popping-up around the continent, particularly in France, where your vehicle will be required to display a 'clean air' sticker (Crit’Air vignette), especially if you intend to visit the bigger cities such as Paris, Lyon, Lille and Grenoble. Indeed, some whole French departments have, or are just about to introduce these 'Pollution Tax' zones.

As I shall be riding through some of these areas this coming May/June, I've just purchased an Air Quality Certificate sticker for the grand cost of 4.21€ (including postage) from this website: Air Quality Certificate Service
[beware there are other sites that will charge a lot more - this is the official site.]

For more information go to: Green-Zones.eu

Thanks for this useful information!

When I click on the link for France, it shows the regions that the new law applies to in green:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/de/map...6/46.324/2.153

I take it that you can still drive through those regions in green on the main autoroutes/motorways?!

I dunno Dave, I'm really no expert. See, it's all fairly new stuff.

But for the inexpensive cost of €4.21 (£3.75) .. why risk it?

Without the sticker you could be fined between €68 and €135 (£59 - £117) for vehicles, including motorcycles, that don't display an appropriate sticker.

But don't leave applying to the last minute, as I've heard reports that the French authorities are struggling to cope with demand for Vignettes, resulting in significant delays beyond the estimated 30-day delivery time.

Thanks for the update Keith, things do keep changing!

I've now added it to our links page at:

Green Zones Europe | Horizons Unlimited

Got my stickers already!
 

Incidentally, my Crit’Air vignette stickers arrived today in the snail-mail.

• Applied for last week on Thursday, March-8th
• Arrived today, Thursday, March-15th.

The application process, therefore, took just a week (5 working days) from start to finish!

:mchappy:

AA huh? Since when does Alcoholics Anonymous offer International Driver's Licenses? I would interested to find out whatever other permits they may offer.

NC

Carnet for landy
 

Looking to travel in next couple of years ( planning a big trip ) , any idea what the cost would be for a carnet ? Seen that the carnet itself is £250 , but how do they work out the deposit / indemnity cost??

Thanks

CDP is worked out by the value and age of your machine + the fee as you mention.

All the info you need;

https://www.carseurope.net/carnet-de...n-douanes-cpd/

APPLICATION FOR INTERNATIONAL CERTIFICATE FOR MOTOR VEHICLES
AVAILABLE FOR UK REGISTERED VEHICLES ONLY

International convention requires that the original registration document (V5) or certificate of registration (V379) accompanies a vehicle when it is taken overseas. However, although a British registration document is recognised in many countries, it must be accompanied by an International Certificate for Motor Vehicles (ICMV) when temporarily importing a vehicle into Egypt (from Israel -subject to certain conditions), Nigeria, Pakistan, Somalia or Uruguay. Possession of an ICMV is recommended when travelling to Russian speaking areas of the former USSR, it is also advisable outside Europe when travelling in those countries where the French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Arabic or Persian translations of vehicle details may be more readily understood than English.

Please note that as of 31 January 2019, the AA will no longer issue ICMV's.

Carnet
 

Just working on this myself for my (our) trip London - Nordkapp - Cape Agulhas BigTrip19

The quote for my Africa Twin (I suggested £6500 value) is as below:

'Our quotation is based on your vehicle valuation of £6,500 for the following countries: Senegal, Ghana, Nigeria, Namibia, South Africa, Botswana.

OPTION 1 - Security/premium fee: £1,080.20 of which £250.00 is refundable once your carnet has been successfully discharged.

OPTION 2 - Cash deposit of £3,000 includes a non-refundable fee of £500. We will refund £2,500 once your carnet has been successfully discharged.'

What I discovered later in a telephone conversation is that the cash deposit refund - if you go that route - takes four years to make its way back to you.

This map is useful - but isn't necessarily definitive (eg, it suggests that carnets are recommended for certain countries which are not actually part of the carnet scheme - Cote d'Ivoire, eg.): https://overlandingassociation.org/carnet-de-passage/

At Cars Europe (the only organisation in UK that provides 'leisure' Carnets - as opposed to carnets for business purposes), speak to Sukie - she's very on the ball.

+44 (0) 1284 850 950 - https://www.carseurope.net/carnet-de-passage-en-douanes

To add to this, for our bikes, each valued at £2000, I paid ( option 1) : £850 per bike and got very quickly back 250 pounds ( per bike) at our return to the UK. For me option 2 was not worth it.
So total cost of the carnet was £600 ( per bike). It goes quickly up depending of the value of the vehicle, so a way to keep costs under control is using a cheaper bike if possible.
I second what is said above, Sukie is great and very informative. She also answers emails very quickly.

Zenbiker,

If you are only riding down the West Coast of Africa. Why do you want a Carnet?
From my personal experience, you don't need one for Senegal, Nigeria, Namibia, Botswana.

Read a bit more on the HUBB and you'll find that you don't need one for South Africa if you enter by land. I haven't been to Ghana. The info should be somewhere on the HUBB too.

Keep your money for your trip!

Patrick

Fair point above, carnet is not required for these countries including South Africa.
However if you ship in or out of South Africa you will need a Carnet.
For up to date info about carnet requirements, check out the overlanding Association:

https://overlandingassociation.org/carnet-de-passage/

Very useful up to date info, country by country, of carnet requirement, overland or shipping.

Cheers,

Maria, I have not personally gone through the process of shipping a motorcycle out of South Africa without a Carnet. Also I have not checked the latest exportations rules. But a quick search on Google showed that you can get into South Africa without a carnet by air or sea but you will need to leave a deposit for the bike. Also if you enter by land and have a TIP at the land border, you can export your bike out of the country.

Zenbiker, It might be worth it for you to research a bit more before deciding to pay for a carnet.

Patrick

Interesting Pat. I shipped two bikes to Cape Town last May and out of South Africa in September and shipping companies at both end (UK and SA) were adamant that a Carnet was required for shipping to and out of South Africa.

Maybe depends on the shipping companies dealing with custom in South Africa. Best ask the shippers what they need to get the bikes through customs.
By land it is not required, which makes it very annoying. Very few countries now in Africa demand it if it is by land border ( Egypt, Soudan, maybe Ethiopia?) but by the west coast it seems easier. I met a polish guy in Namibia who had crossed by the west coast. I will ask him if he needed a Carnet on the way. As far as I know he is still down there....

I was asked for a carnet only once when I went down the west coast in 2017. It was when I entered in Togo. The official asked for one not because it is mandatory but because he was too lazy to fill a TIP. After I insisted a bit, he just asked a co-worker to replace him. The new guy filled the TIP.

...

As for shipping a bike out of Africa, I would shop around and try to find a company that is willing to ship out with just a TIP. I would be happy to pay an extra fee for this to have the peace of mind that if for what ever reason something happens to your bike on the way, you don't lose both the bike and the deposit.


Patrick