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Walkabout 10 Mar 2016 08:19

There is more to taking a few temperature readings of the planet than you will find in a newspaper article, much more:-
Weekly Climate and Energy News Roundup #217 | Watts Up With That?

Roy Spencer, PhD


http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/


El Nino gets a mention of course.

Walkabout 10 Mar 2016 08:33

The new dark ages
 
Melanie Phillips: Science Is Turning Back To The Dark Ages | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

Heading down the road to the new religion should suit our political lords and masters of this planet.

Walkabout 10 Mar 2016 08:38

Data tampering works well also:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/
(their post of 9 March 2016 refers)

Walkabout 10 Mar 2016 09:04

A critique of UK energy policy
 
"There is simply no plausible scenario by which the British government can conceivably meet its 80 percent emission cut by 2050."
from
http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf

Walkabout 10 Mar 2016 12:02

There is a blob in the Pacific
 
A 5 minute vid about this year with reference to 1998 and El Nino:
After El Nino, Will The Global Warming Pause Continue? | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

Walkabout 10 Mar 2016 12:06

More about the EDF pricing deal
 
About this EDF deal.
Perhaps the E and the D mean Ed Davey?


Ed Davey Who Struck ‘Worst Ever’ Deal With EDF Now Works For EDF Lobbying Firm | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

It must have taken a lot of negotiation to award a price 3x higher than "usual" to EDF.

ridetheworld 10 Mar 2016 12:54

Will Climate Change Spell The End of RTW Motorcycle Travel?
 
A few temperature readings 'found in a newspaper'? That information was compiled by the MET office, and supported by NASA and NOAA. Your constant cherry picking and obtuse denial of the facts is a wonder to behold.

Walkabout 10 Mar 2016 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by ridetheworld (Post 532898)
That information was compiled by the MET office, and supported by NASA and NOAA

They are all dissected in earlier posts in this thread.

The Met office has lost it's contract with the BBC for weather forecasting which used to be their primary reason d'etre.

You might like this read however.
Climate and Brexit | Climate Scepticism

Here's a feeling for it (for those who don't like links):-

I think both issues contain a camp that is attracted by grand schemes to determine our collective future. One sees the EU as a wonderful opportunity to do away with borders, share capital and people, stop wars, develop common standards for this and that (including toasters – an area of overlap with the next group), and so on and on, with the alternative being wars, nasty nationalisms, fortress mentalities, general gloom and despair, and too many toaster-power options. The other sees CO2 as a wonderful opportunity to control just about everything, specifying allowed behaviours – including how much power we can feed into our toasters, and so to the promised land which we are assured will be both ‘sustainable’ and ‘resilient’, with a pleasant and familiar climate to boot. Their alternative scarcely bears talking about: all the coastal cities under water, fearsome storms wracking where and what they have never wracked before, species disappearing like snow off a dyke (Scots vern.), tropical folks baked to well-done, and eskimos to medium-rare, and worse, oh much worse.
But one shared flaw (and I do suspect there may be one or two others) of these camps is their pretension to knowledge of how to do it, their marvellous assurance of what the future holds if we do this or that, follow them or disregard them. Thomas Sowell has their number:
One of the most important questions about any proposed course of actions is whether we know how to do it. Policy A may be better than policy B, but that does not matter if we simply do not know how to do Policy A. Perhaps it would be better to rehabilitate criminals, rather than punish them, if we knew how to do it. Rewarding merit might be better than rewarding results if we knew how to do it. But one of the crucial differences between those with the tragic vision and those with the vision of the anointed is in what they respectively assume that we know how to do. Those with the vision of the anointed are seldom deterred by any question as to whether anyone has the knowledge required to do what they are attempting.
Sowell’s ‘anointed’ are those convinced by grand schemes or visions for the future of mankind under the firm control of elites (the ‘anointed ones’). His ‘tragic’ ones are those with more modest expectations, those more inclined to accept the ‘ancient Greek sense of tragedy’: ‘inescapable fate inherent in the nature of things’. In my interpretation of this, we are dealing with on the one hand, the authoritarian left, and on the other, a somewhat libertarian right who see the left as hopelessly deluded about the probabilities of success for their schemes. Thus wishing to control the climate or wishing to control society are both doomed to disappointment when the complex realities of both assert themselves

TheWarden 10 Mar 2016 17:08

Love how your now trying to join the Brexit Thread with this one with more links to useless blogs and ill founded information trawled from the interwebs

Here's a pointless but interesting statistic based on a quick straw pole

94% of your posts are irrelevant to the content of the HUBB.

?c?

EvilNerdLord 10 Mar 2016 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by mollydog (Post 525448)
As the obvious affects of world wide climate change continue to worsen, how will travelers cope?

With possible massive forced migration, food and water shortages and general unstable govts., how will a motorcycle traveler deal with such things? :innocent:

Many think "Climate Changes" will only mean higher temps. But science (and reality) now tell us it's Everything that is affected: Record high temps world wide, but Colder temps as well.

Higher winds, longer, more severe droughts followed by record setting floods. More Hurricanes/Tornadoes than ever before and in places that never have had them.

The daily news tells the story best. We see it everywhere round the world from Antarctica to India.

Can motorcycle folk survive and tread there way through? How much more dangerous will MC travel become? Where can we go that might be "safe"?
How much time have we got?

Do we care? Are we just going to ride the Bomb down to oblivion like Slim Picken's did in Dr. Strangelove? (Cowboy Slim "rides" an A-bomb down from his B-52 ... and starts the end of the world)

Recent topics here attempt to describe "Adventure travel". Seems to me as Climate Change truly takes hold travel may become an impossible adventure.

?c?

As long as there is a globe to circle, two wheels to do it on...someone WILL find a way...and if a young punk can, then a 'seasoned' citizen will too, hell the oldster would probably be first out of cranky spite "ain't nobody's gonna tell me what I can do...".

brclarke 13 Mar 2016 20:14

There will always be bad weather and good places to ride.

mollydog 13 Mar 2016 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilNerdLord (Post 532917)
As long as there is a globe to circle, two wheels to do it on...someone WILL find a way...and if a young punk can, then a 'seasoned' citizen will too, hell the oldster would probably be first out of cranky spite "ain't nobody's gonna tell me what I can do...".

I certainly hope you're right ... but based on my 40+ years of travel ... I rather doubt it.

As severe weather events go unabated (especially in fragile 3rd world countries) and infrastructure begins to collapse, we may see severe restrictions on travel and many human rights may be ignored.

Just in my brief experience I've seen how foreigners are singled out, arrested or detained. I've been in "no man's land" in Africa and been shot at on two occasions, placed under house arrest (in Sudan) and had guns held to my head (Colombia and Argentina). I've been through 3 coups, two bloodless, one not so much.

The Argentine coup of 1975 was the most dramatic as it affected THE WHOLE nation. The military had been planning the coup for months or years, so no surprise how it went down.

Traveling on US State dept. documents, sometimes this helped, sometimes not.
Sure, the quick, the brave or the dead will try to make it across a border going overland. Anyone ever done it? I have. This is no ****ing joke.

Chances are fair that locals of neighboring countries can pass the border freely, but not always so for Foreign nationals ... depending which country. The USA is not a favored country generally and there can serious resentment depending on various factors.

In 1976 when the coup of Isabel Peron (Perons' 2nd wife and then President)
by Argentine military happened, a sort of "state of siege" took place for about a week or 10 days. All borders were SHUT. Many foreigners were picked up, held and questioned .... and of course we all know about the 10,000+Desparacidos, of which I personally witnessed being dragged from there homes and thrown into troop carriers in Buenos Aires, never to be seen again. (these "arrests" happened over months after the coup)

Point is, things can get nasty FAST ... like over night. Don't count on your govt. to bail you out or help. My State Dept. connections did help me in Argentina ... as the USA were strong backers of the coup. Later in Ecuador and in San Francisco, I met dozens of lucky Argentines who saw it coming and got OUT before the coup went down.

So when things don't work right due to unprecedented weather events and food supplies collapse, water & power systems fail, well, things can heat up in the street.

Typical govt. reaction will be severe crack downs and arrests of "the usual suspects": students, Union activists, opposing party leaders or allies. Been there, seen it in person. Foreigners ... especially USA nationals, will be branded as "spies" or "outside" agitators. We're an easy target, and trust me when I tell you, it's so easy to them to gather false I-witness testimony against you if they choose.

The massacres in Guadlajara and Mexico City in late 60's/early 70' are emblematic of just how bad things can get.
90 dead in Guad, 120 in DF, hundreds wounded. In these cases the Mex military gave NO WARNING to the peaceful demonstrators. Just drove up in Troop carries, pulled back the canvas tarps and opened up with the 50 Calipers.
I talked to SEVERAL I-Witnesses and saw the blood stains on the concrete.

This is just one of many ways travelers could be slowed or stopped. And unless you've got a plan ... and connections, you could be trapped without a way forward. So keep a "weather eye" out ... but also a political eye open. Know when it's time to bail out. :rain:

Walkabout 13 Mar 2016 22:40

A few random bits for a quiet Sunday evening in the HUBB bar
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWarden (Post 532915)
Love how your now trying to join the Brexit Thread with this one with more links to useless blogs and ill founded information trawled from the interwebs

Here's a pointless but interesting statistic based on a quick straw pole

94% of your posts are irrelevant to the content of the HUBB.

?c?

The HUBB PUB Chat forum - no useful content required

94% of statistics are invented on the spur of the moment by the
97% concensus.

That will be a straw pole for a straw man form of argument.

There is a Belgium guy who has come from the dark side to see, and understand, how things are in the CAGW camp.
https://trustyetverify.wordpress.com...-to-authority/
The greater the noise emanating from the anointed in the pulpit the more we question.



The useful thing I did today was read some of the blog above and, in the beautiful spring sunshine, ride the bike, and then sell it.

Walkabout 14 Mar 2016 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walkabout (Post 532893)
About this EDF deal.

It's a farce – let's call the whole thing off.


The current British energy policy, based on lip service to CAGW adherents, is in the dustbin and it took a French national to highlight the point.
Finally, someone at EDF sees the £18bn farce that is Hinkley Point | Business | The Guardian

Threewheelbonnie 14 Mar 2016 14:18

Automated Roads Threat?
 
I'm joining this late, so apologies if its already covered, but driverless vehicles strike me as a bigger threat to RTW rides. Possibly this is :offtopic:

We have automated driver functions built into vehicles now (parking etc.) and legislation requiring some features to be fitted on new vehicles ( Collision mitigation). We have telematics and a drive (I was on a government committee on this very subject) to include this in maintenance. Driverless systems exist and governments want to see efficiency and safety improvements as a result. By say 2040 I can see parts of the road network having "safe guards" that make non-autonomous vehicles difficult to use. It could be like trying to book a slot to fly your Tiger Moth over Heathrow on a bank holiday weekend, theoretically possible, but far easier for a BA Airbus with five transponders and a daily time slot on the database.

Then there are the manufacturers. I really can't see them allowing you to log your European vehicle onto the US system without paying, but bet they won't employ many staff who know how.

The solution could well be as simple as the card in your phone or more rented travel units, but I think the change will be more immediate that rising seas?

Andy


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