Originally Posted by mollydog (Post 566394)

I think I received your last post, I remember most of what you said. We've had the economic hit man author on radio interviews here over last 10 years ... so many here are well familiar how World Bank, IMF and other international banking conglomerates operate and sucker nations into massive debt and economic scams the actual people don't know about of understand. Only the few at the top benefit from this ... and they are simply bought and paid for.
Absolutely Agree! It is actually the US intel agencies that enforce the decisions made by the multinationals. The multinationals that contribute to the election of Presidents, Senators and Congressmen.
To wit, each time a new leader is democratically elected in a foreign country..., an economic hit man arrives bearing greetings from the USA and proclaiming "in this pocket I have one million dollars and in the other I have a gun, it is up to you to decide how you will handle the sale of your natural resources to tal y fulano corporations."

I loved what Argentina did a few years back (you would know more about this than I)
YES, that is the why rosa del desierto and I "retired as permanent foreign residents of Argentina." Another example of people taking their fate in their hands is Iceland. The Banksters are in jail there, the economy of Iceland is much better, the people simply decided not to pay the debt and refinancing of the debt imposed upon them by bought and paid for politicians.
FYI several of those Icelandic politicians are also in jail. Unlike the savings and loan fiasco of 2008 and the more recent housing bubble burst, very few and none of the principals went to jail. The economic hit men are also at work in the good ol USA...

But, IIRC, they refused to pay off their outrageous debt, thumbed their nose at IMF/World Bank. Not sure how that has panned out lately ... but it's what ALL nations in Latin America should do. SCREW 'EM! Just refuse to pay ... but don't plan on any future loans through these corrupt organizations.

Argentina's default was the largest default in the history of the world. What has happened is China has bailed out Argentina and now not only controls the Panama Canal - since the Panamanians sold the rights to China after the 99 year lease to the USA ran out, but has unlimited argentine immigration, fishing rights, and tremendous import tax benefits. So China has beach heads not only in Africa, but in Central and South America. China does not need economic hit men with their two pocket Plata o Plomo diplomacy, China actually deals.

Got to be another way? :innocent:

I saw some of these corrupt policies in person starting back mid 70's where girl friend's father was head of AID in El Salvador. I lived there a couple months, attended dinners, met worst of the worst "militares", I played along just to learn their plans. They thought I was on their side. :smartass:

I was born the son of the future Colonel and his pretty young Italian wife, and after two years at university was at a point where idealism and exploitation were battling within me. Similar to your path, I fled to the Peace Corps, sure that I could bring changes, all my latent idealism rushed out with tremendous force, I wanted to do this well, after all my Father was the colonel whom I admire, yet I knew I was incapable of perpetuating any war atrocities and these feelings made me feel inferior and less accomplished. In Turkey, where I had graduated high school, I watched my Mother carefully wrap leftovers and place them with the garbage, so that the poor who scrounged there would find something to eat. One day, while I was in Ankara, Turkey President Kennedy was assassinated and everything changed. Dad job was to remove the Jupitor and Thor missiles from Turkey (actually these missiles were outdated and already replaced by the submarine bourn Polaris missiles) as per Kennedy's agreement for Russia to turn the ships around during the Cuban missile crisis, and when President Johnson took command along with his escalation of Vietnam, decided there was more money to be made with a cold war raging then without and had the CIA take out my Dad.

The plan? Exterminate anyone even slightly left of center ... which is exactly what they achieved just a few short years later, starting with the assassination of Oscar Romero.

Again, spot on, I know much of the military build up in El Salvador. It was when we had a lot of surplus equipment after winding down Vietnam... and building up the School of the Americas, sort of a gorilla war training facility in Panama - through which I had a VIP tour compliments of another Peace Corps volunteer whose Father was the Commanding General there. This to combat Fidel's similar training facility in Cuba. It was all BS - El Salvador, and in 1954 Guatemala coup deposing democratically elected Arbenz with puppet dictator Armas.... , and the assassination of Roldos in Ecuador, Trujillo in Panama and the demise of Salvador Allende in Chile in order to put in place puppet dictators who chose plata over plomo.

During 10 years of employment with World Vision, I traveled RTW, seeing some of the "good" results of our foreign aid. Turns out World Vision is a CIA front.

Of course, and so is the National Enquire - bought and paid for to ridicule actual UFO reports and alien abductions. Who would believe that the National Enquire was a CIA front??? Who would believe that the US Peace Corps was also a CIA front until - the PC volunteers themselves halted that travesty.... I was there! That was a scary game....

I never knew this until about year 9 with them. doh I'm an idiot, should have figured this out much sooner. But who knew the CIA actually does some "good" things too! :cool4:

I spent time in Colombia, Ecuador, Ghana, Sudan and lots in Ethiopia. Here World Vision ran a variety of projects, mostly to do with clean water, creation of water wells, disaster relief, feeding/distro centers and basic infrastructure.

Yep, disinformation, counter intelligence must always present truthful tidbits or good works to be believable, and so it goes the people need to be placated - so the multinationals can have their way.

At present, CIA is pouring Millions into undermining Maduro's regime. Using similar tactics as done in Chile to topple Allende. Buy off unions, public worker sectors, key military figures, the press, and make big promises to the poor. (Lies)

The big promises in Bolivia resulted in hydro electric dams for multinational industries, resulting in profit for the wealthy, and roads not needed by the poor... - with all eventually paid for by the poor Bolivians who line up monthly to pay their electric bills for two or three light bulbs in their shacks at exorbitant rates....

But so far The Right in Venezuela does not have a major, charismatic figure the likes of a Chavez. If that person comes along ... then could be curtains for any sort of left leaning progressive regime.

In my previous response, I mentioned that rosa del desierto and I lived two blocks from the Venezuelan Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina when Chavez died ( was terminated) and the major road in front of the Embassy was blocked for a week with people showing respect and admiration for Chavez - a man forwarding the Bolivarian revolution and standing up to the multinational policies and needs enforced by various US intel agencies and if that fails the US Marines. Yes, we were among that group and composed a poem and wrote it in his memorial book at the Embassy. And like the Christ figure who threw the money changers out of the temple - look what happened to him!

Military would seem to be key in Venezuela. During Chavez they always were in support of govt. Now? I have no idea.

Time will tell, if Fidel were still alive, there would be hope, with Raul, I don't know... I have a very good friend here who had one uncle working for the CIA trying to kill Fidel and another who was in charge of Fidel's security - my friend was jailed by Fidel and came to the States with the Merial Boat Lift, along with Hollywood's "Scarface," he says Venezuela had been a great friend to Cuba trading oil for Cuban Doctors etc, but now those lines of communication are being controlled by - you guessed it the CIA...

My guess is CIA would like to see a full blown Civil War. Tear everything down so the oligarch's can regain power with support from CIA, USA Sec. of State, (Rex Tillerson, former CEO of Exon-Mobil). Once chaos rules, it will be easy to re-establish the fossil fuel oligarchs to power.

Isn't that what happened in Cyrus? Isn't that what happened in Greece? Germany bailed out Cyprus only because so many Germans had invested there.... But...isn't that the modus operandi of the IMP/multinationals/and vulture capitalists today? You know there are vulture capitalists hovering - just waiting to pay pennies for the dollar on anything of value after the Civil War.... Civil War, of course financed by - you guessed it our own intel agencies at the behest of their corporate masters.

Good news is the Venezuelan people aren't quite as naive as they once were and hopefully will resist Gringos coming in once again to steal their future.
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