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Farkles finales antes de Mexico
Finally got to the suspension on the fairly soft DR650. In stock form the bike is not too bad with a light load, even on dirt....abeit on the soft side. Good in slow rocky going however. As you add weight fork dive increased dramatically
and bike bike would wallow around some too. With full battle load the boingers were simply overwhelmed. How much weight on the bike? Including the weight of GIVI cases themselves, side racks, rear rack, soft top bag, tools, contents of bags, lock, books, spare tubes, and all other crap I've managed to collect....I'm carrying just about 100 lbs. (45 kgs.). This is over my target weight of 90 lbs. but close enough. The GIVI bags are just under their limit of 11 kgs. each, so I've done well there. I'm hoping the Italians gave a conservative estimate on this rating because I know on rough washboard all systems will be severly tested. Suspension: Like most DR650 riders I've gone through Jesse Kientz KienTech Engineering for my Eibach springs. Based on my weight...about 200 lbs. (with riding gear)....and the weight of my luggage...we came up with a compromise number that will have the bike working well fully loaded but won't be too over sprung for solo, unloaded riding. Stock DR650 progressive fork springs are rated at .40 kgs. I've gone up to .47 kgs. straight rate springs. The stock progressive rear spring is 6.5 kgs., the new Eibach straight rate is 7.6 kgs. I've taken the bike out on some trails, dirt roads and twisty paved roads and overall the transformation is rather astounding. Hitting "whoop dee doo" type bumps is where I notice the difference most. Far more composed. The bike turns better as the rear end is not dragging its' ass around now. Much crisper turning yet still very stable at 100 mph. (yes, I tested it). Also, much to my delight, small bumps and road stutter are almost GONE. Before the bike handled this type of stuff well...now its even better. NICE:thumbup1: I have preload on the rear cranked up about half way. So more to go if needed. Plenty of preload left to add up front but so far its very close. Only problem is the lack of BRAKES with all this weight. Not much to be done here. The new EBC pads aren't fully scrubbed in yet...so I'm hoping for a tad more braking power soon. Other stuff in the last two weeks: New DID 525 X-Ring VM-2 chain JT Sprockets, front /rear Sealed spoke nipples on front wheel to slow air loss. New brake pads frnt/rear (EBC sintered) Brake systems flushed...all new fluid. I do this twice a year. Patrick:mchappy: The stock items and spokes still unsealed http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...04688396-M.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...04688416-M.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...04688430-M.jpg |
Mollydog/Patrick...
I've tried to wade through all of this - and one thing is for certain (I've said it before) you are fab resource for any and everything relating to the DR650...and supplemented perfectly by other guys posting on this thread. Thing is - it needs a feminine touch..! There's so much brilliant information on here, but sometimes a bit hard to find... Permission to collate and collect and put in a simple/organised format which even girls can follow? (I wouldn't DARE ask you to do it - since you're too busy sorting the bike out... and getting the trip together...!):rolleyes2: (I'll probably have to do it anyways, for myself - so maybe when I'm done, you can have a lookie over and it can be published here - or wherever) |
gas filters
I like the clear-cased paper filters that are used on lawn equip.
IMO, much better than the little rock element sifting filters. You guys have thought this out well. Funny this was mentioned, I put on one of the clear-case filters on my KLX a few months back after thinking that those little stone filters probably didn't work with a flip. Yesterday I was in Guadalajara at the Suzuki dealer and I was picking up an extra gas filter for my took kit when I ran into 4 Gringos on KLRs. One of the KLRs was broken down with a stuck float in the carb and the mechanic was doing the repair. The bikes were stock '07 I think with no filter other than the screen in the petcock tank. I think the little 15 peso paper filter might have prevented the repair incident. The guys were on their way to Argentina and I suggested that they put these gas filters on their bikes but they did not seem interested. They also still had the stock sub frame bolts and stock doo-hickey. I hope they make, that's a long way down there and back. I've been on the fence between the KLR and the DR and all of the good advice in this thread has me leaning to the Suzook again. |
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I hope you can include the good alternative ideas included in this thread too, there are always other ways besides what I've come up with. The feminine touch would be very much welcomed here! Maybe Grant (site owner) will make your anthology a Sticky in the Suzuki forum? :thumbup1: I'm hoping in future myself and others can chime in with feedback on how some of these mods work out on the road, under hard use, fully loaded. This is the ultimate test of any mod or piece of equipment. Thanks so much for helping us all out! :welcome: :D Patrick |
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Is there an easy solution to this? I need to be able to access every drop of fuel in that tank. Ideas? Cheers, Patrick:mchappy: |
As promised...
I've done a quicky hatchet job on this thread and then stole some stuff from other places and cobbled it all together and present to you the DDPP courtesy of all you good blokes on here:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...878#post154155 Its meant to be a draft so you guys to look at and comment... so go ahead. I'm trying to come up with a more STYLISH solution, since we are not allowed to use HTML on here... and am only limited to 18,000 characters!!!!! So I've had to leave a SHED LOAD of stuff out!! :helpsmilie: IN particular - FRANK WARNER's great guide definitely has a place on the DDPP - but no space! I'm a web/graphic designer, so can create a separate space for it.. but it will kind of defeat the whole purpose. a) It should remain in the HUBB, cos thats where I'd be looking for info and b) I dont want to have to use several posts to cover it. Any ideas will be appreciated. |
[B]Time to put it all to the test![/B]
Ok, no reply on the fuel filter...this will have to be an on the road project.
I'm heading to Mexico (and beyond) in a couple days, will report in if I can manage to set up a blog here. I'll let you all know what worked and what didn't and ....hopefully why, or why not. :thumbup1: Will post back with URL or whatever. I hope some of this thread will help other DR riders in getting set up...and other riders of other bikes too. And be sure the see the nice compileation by Impasto on the DDPP thread as well. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...878#post154155 Patrick:Beach: |
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Also, to get the maximum amount of fuel out of the tank when the level is really low and the bike has started to sputter, I lay the bike over to the left to drain the right tank lobe into the left lobe if I have run out. When I do this, I usually have to bleed my fuel line because it has probably run dry... |
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I have been offered a new Suzuki DR650 at a really good price. Suzuki seem to be over-stocked on these. I am however struggling to find hard luggage for this bike. The Suzuki dealers in New Zealand are not aware of any. I have considered soft luggage but would prefer hard luggage. I notice from earlier comments that some travellers have used Pelican cases. Adventure Motorcycle Equipment in the USA have a Caribou Case System (it looks like they are Pelican cases) for USD695.00 including the mounting system. Pictures and details are on their website. I like the look of the cases and they seem easy to fit (even for technically challenged people like me).
Has anyone used these cases and are they as good as they are made out to be? Is the company reliable? Are there any other hard luggage systems available? Peter |
Mr Fat Chance runs pelicans.
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Hi Dave
Thanks for the advice. The DR650's were sent to New Zealand from California. At the price they are a really good buy. Peter |
The Caribou cases are a very nice system. However, they were not available for the DR650 when I wanted luggage for our DR650s, so I cobbled together my own. I used Moto-sport pannier racks and their universal mounting kit for the Pelicans I just bought over the internet. Moto-sport racks and mounting kits can be found HERE. This way, I could do the racks, mounts and Pelicans for right at $500 (usd). What you get for the extra money for Caribou's setup is a quick release capability. My setup requires removing two screws for each pannier. Since I seldom remove the panniers from the bike (I also use pannier liners to remove their contents easily), paying the all the extra $$ for the quick release system was not cost effective. BTW, I have this same system on both my '05 DR650 as well as my wife's '00 DR650.
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happy-trail.com has some for the dr. I use their set up on my klr. I will be puting their bags on my wife's dr The teton 7" is what I would recomend. They are lighter than the pelican bags. They ship over sea and are good help on adventure rides. |
Dr650 Se 2003
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...5-2003-a-31432
I've been offered a 2003 DR650SE in Australia for $5,000Au with 6,000kms and a staintune exhaust which I believe gives a bit more power and allows a wider choice of luggage options. It seems a good deal but I know very little about these bikes other than the earlier year models might have had a few issues. So apart from the normal stuff you look for when buying a bike, is there anything in particular I should look for and is this about the right sort of money for this kind of bike in Australia? |
Hi Mike
Others with far more experience and knowledge of these bikes can comment on the technical details. I have just bought a 2007 DR650 and absolutely love it - they are fun and easy to ride. I paid NZD8 000 for mine. They really are great bikes. The upgrade options (tank, screen and luggage) in NZ and AU are very limited but you can get much in the USA on the net. I imported a larger IMS tank and a screen. Even in NZD they were reasonably priced. Would probably pay to see what you could get a new one for. Peter |
I would read up a bit on the bike before you start doing modifications.
Jesse at Kientech is a good source for DR stuff and has some gooe items for sale and knowledge about jetting and re-springing the bike. Verle Nelson has owned many bikes, lots of KLR's and DR's. Has done lots of miles on them and has some good set up ideas too. Really knows his stuff, IMO. His page is loaded with very specific info on using various items on the DR. Excellent page. KienTech Engineering Suzuki DR650 You can read back through this thread to see some of the things I've done. One thing I intend to buy for my bike is a fork brace. Doesn't need it much when unloaded but needs it when loaded up with gear. The bike is so simple to work on, you will find it a pleasure to own. Mine has performed well on several long dual sport rides, but in Mexico was not so great in the dirt due to me overloading the bike. I was carrying 100 lbs (45 kgs) in GIVI hard bags on board plus with 5 gallons of fuel in the IMS tank. Not good. Important to balance suspension when carrying a load to maintain good front to rear balance. You should plan to play around with the bike a bit. Go ride a NEW stock bike to gain perspective and a baseline for adjustments. IMO, re-jetting is essential. The Dyno-jet kit will not only add power everywhere, it also will still get good fuel economy if set up correctly and the motor will run cooler. It's the needle that makes the difference....it's all in the needle. Took me a while to figure this one out. So open up that airbox and re-jet. The only trade off is you'll have to clean your air filter more often .....or use Filter Skins! The bike seems to work well with a variety of tires but the stock Trail Wings work really well. The rear T-Wing wears out to quickly but the front tire works well, is very cheap and lastl 10,000 miles. For long road trips try a Avon Distanzia for a rear tire. I'm using Pirelli Scopions AT's for day to day riding. Any front will be OK on a long ride. 2003 model may have a leaky base gasket. Seal it with silicone. Should hold it. Staintunes are wonderful but very very pricey....and I seriously doubt it will add much power....if any. My FMF Q2 did not.....but saved 4 kgs. of weight. I sold it.....too loud. I had hard GIVI luggage on for Mexico and this is where I ran into probs. I've now gone back to soft bags and am down to just 60 lbs. fully loaded for the long haul. Bike handling is night and day better. I have heavy springs, fork brace coming soon. The GIVI bags empty and their racks weighed 26 lbs. So that is a lot of weight for convenience and ruined the handling on the DR. Good luck. :scooter: |
How'd the tool tube work out?
Hi Patrick,
Am trying to think of ways to carry tools on my DR since my original toolkit annoyingly disappeared from my bike recently (either stolen or fell off!). Did the pcv tube on the bash plate work as it looks like it might ground out in rough terrain? I have also seen someone use a similar tube in place of the original tool kit so might have a bash at making one that fits in there. Quote:
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Reliability Report
The trigger/pickup coil failed on my DR at 24k miles and change. This same part (new) failed again at 50k miles.
A repeat at near identical miles leads me to believe this may be the expected life of this part. The trigger/pickup coil on these bikes come as one assembly with the stator. Online parts cost for said assembly is approx $300 usd. I purchased a spare assembly soon after the first failure and will now be looking for another spare from another low mileage part-out bike. Just FYI.... |
Many people here have reported on their DRs and I don't think this has ever come up. Mine has 130000 km and has been under water recently and it's still going. I suggest you start looking at your wiring and the other ignition system components.
I had a similar problem with my Honda CX500 years ago, but there it WAS a known weakness and Honda later modified the ignition system. |
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Hmmmm ..... this is certainly of interest to me as well as I approach the magic 24K pick-up coil explosion threshold. I will inquire of local stator experts and see what is up. I may also be able to put this to Suzuki as well.
On Hondas the pick up coil is a separate item, not part of the stator. I can't believe you have to buy the entire stator! Another bomb in the DR is that do-hickey bolt that comes lose? I can't remember but it's about time to have a look in side and tighten or loc-tit it. I know there are threads on this on the "big" thread. By the way, the magazine has had a '96 DR since '96. About a year ago the gear box failed. I thought maybe it was the lose bolt. Happened at 33K miles. Now more to this story. The bike was fine with the Boss's daughter riding. Then, about six months before failure the bad son began riding it, which I never new. He is a an evil rider who loves to BANG shifts, power shift and do endless wheelies. A terrible rider, always on the edge of crashing. So after the "mysterious" failure of the '96 DR, dad buy "Jr." another ..... brand new DR. Now, just a year later, its popping out of 2nd gear. His riding behaviour is the same and the extended warranty (Western) company do not want to pay. They say that if a bike pops out of 2nd it means its been "abused". I say BS. (even though its true in this case! :rofl: but how could they know that? Anyway, I may be getting some "spare" parts soon. (from the '96) which dad paid to have the cases split. Bolt salad. Ugly. I have not seen it, but not good. I'ts got an Ohlins everyone wants. I want the wheels and forks. Patrick:mchappy: |
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The PVC pipe has worked out well for tools / travel. On rough rock step ups or hard hits at speed I never hit it. It does foul the handling some (weight)...I think... making steering just a hair slower, bike feels a bit heavier. Or is that my imagination? Try it, it is easy to reverse and not expensive. One thing I discovered....the DR is VERY sensitive to those who "Fool" with the steering head adjustment. It is VERY easy to get it too tight.....which ruins the bikes handling big time. So it seems to err just a bit on the loose side is not a bad idea. I pulled mine apart at 13K miles for inspection. Grease was plentiful and CLEAN ...and adjustment was perfect ...oh ...but I could do better!! I was very impressed after stories I had heard about lack of grease. In my brilliance, I decided to "adjust" the head bearings just a **** hair. Bad idea. Even though the bars wagged back and forth freely....the adjuster was TOO tight and the bike would not steer well in high speed esses, sweepers and such. I re-set it and Voila! back to magic DR handling. Tool Kit The stock plastic tool kit is actually pretty good. I'm using it now for short trips as I've removed my "long trip" PVC tool holder for now. Mine has never come lose but a bit of silicone or loc-tite on bolts might help. Be sure to remember to close the rubbber door when your done with tools.:( I can get about 75% of my tools in there. The rest go in luggage. Not too bad. Baja next month for me and the DR with the hooligans. God help me. Will be doing some secret Malcolm trails and other "death to all who enter" routes. I will be buying a lot of Pacifico's for the young bucks to put me upright and haul my bike (and me) over the rocks when needed. :helpsmilie: I am so slow and weak now. Pathetic. Ultimately I'd like to custom build an Aluminum tool box, form fit to bash plate. Very gradual slope, well integrated, low profile but would hold enough. Patrick :scooter: |
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center stands
Anyone found a decent center stand that is "in stock" and worth the money yet?
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I got one from the states - made in germany (TUV aproved). It places the foot pegs outwards. The chain rubs on the outer side ... the stand has a spot for it to pass but it is too far in .. so I cut a bit out and sealed it off.. still works. It also needs to go a bit further over centre when on the stand - can easily roll off.
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If it's German, than it must be the SW Motec one. I saw them on DR's when in the EU and they looked pretty good. Never used one.
No one else makes one for the DR650 beyond SW Motec, far as I know. Patrick:mchappy: |
We chose our bikes for different reasons, just as movies appeal to us for different reasons.
The DR, as light as it is, really doesn't need a centerstand, but some people like the convenience it affords, and accept the compromises. Personally, if I wanted a bike with a centerstand, I'd choose a street bike. |
Dual Star do though to keep weight down, I'm planning on using a length of Alu pipe to prop up the other side. Have seen pics of this being done but not tried it myself yet. My $20 2nd hand bash plate is fitted to the peg mounts so i couldn't use a centre stand with it anyway...
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Yes, Dual Star took a lot of orders from DR owners, months later, still no center stands. Most gave up on Dual Star a couple years ago.
Prop stand? You mean something like this? http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...31_J2Whq-M.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...56_e6EgY-M.jpg |
Yep, is that a commercially available one? I'll see how I get on with a bit of pipe but something with some adjustment would sure be handy. I've even seen a picture of a prop stand made out of a sawn-off adjustable height walking stick too.
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Looks like I'm stuck with a proppy up stick then thats what I have used for the last year. centre stand with the bike level just makes it all that bit easier to work on. Maybe two prop up stick either side of the swing arm or something I don't know I'll go and stare at the bike and get some amazing idea that will make me rich and famous just like ewan and ..... what was that other blokes name....
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You can use a strap, even a bungee, to tie the bike to a post, either leaned forward or to the rear, depending on which wheel you want off the ground.
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I recently made an adjustable monopod from an adjustable walking stick. $11USD for the stick at Wal-Mart, and $.50USD rubber end-cap from the hardware store to put on the top. Works great and allows me to adjust the length for softer ground or when I want to prop the front tire. I waited 7 months for a center stand from Dual-Star...don't waste your time or money.
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I think I'm the only one who ever actually got a Dual-Star centerstand. When I first got my '00 DR650SE, I ordered one and probably got the last one ever actually delivered. It works fine and I'm happy with the quality. However, due to the way they try to sell things they do not have, I would never order from that company again.
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Centrestand how to guide
Hi Jeff
Am currently prepping 2 DR 650's and am in the centrestand conundrum. I know my way around a socket set and thats about it...:stupid: Any chance you could do a small how to guide and some pictures to tell us how your stand works? It sounds perfect! Thanks Barney |
Prop Stand or proper main stand?
A simple prop stand for a DR650 can be improvised out of just about anything handy. On the road I've used rocks, logs, random pieces of wood or pipe.
The one pictured is a leg from a broken tripod. I only carried it on one trip. I hate carrying extra stuff!:helpsmilie: So I live dangerously and now carry nothing .... figuring most times I can find something to prop up the bike. A stout piece of Aluminum tube will do the trick, is very light an can be shoved in anywhere in luggage. This system is a little unstable, so go easy or it will tumble off. :( I've seen very few center (main) stands on DR650's here in the US. They typically add about 6 kgs. or so but very useful not only for tire repairs but normal maintenance/cleaning as well. I really miss having a main stand but also am very concerned with weight going off road on my DR650. Had a center stand on my Vstrom and it was great, especially on the road. But that bike was SOOO big, you really needed it. But no one I know of is supplying one now, at least in the USA ..... maybe SW Motech have a DR main stand again or someone else in the EU/UK? Good luck with the prep. Love to see any clever mods you come up with. Please post some pics here when you can. Or start another thread about your DR prep. Cheers, Patrick |
Main stands and other accessories for the Dr650 and DR Big are available from Stefan Hessler. He will ship anywhere. Hessler Rallye Team - HRT If outside Europe you can even pay by Paypal.
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That is a GREAT site! :thumbup1:
Thanks for the link. It's obvious this guy really knows DR650 & DR Big and provides some much needed services and products. Hessler Rallye Team - HRT Rocks! :clap: Cheers! Patrick:mchappy: |
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DR650 UpDate at 19,000 miles
The Virgin is no longer pure, she has been violated yet again. After my aborted Mexico ride (about 3000 miles) last Fall I've mostly been doing weekend rides out to the Desert or California Sierra mixed with street hooligan rides with the crazies that I call friends here in Northern California.
Most of these local rides are group rides that rarely stop, so very few pics. Frenetic pace and sort of competitive atmosphere leaves no time for good pics until a gas stop or lunch. Roads rarely featured. But going alone in Baja on the DR I had lots of time to shoot. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...02_JbViE-L.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...56_t2frq-L.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...19_gYzww-L.jpg I've picked up a few more tips on the DR650 as time and miles roll by. I've found the oil level likes to be pretty much up to the top line on the sight glass. Motor is quieter, smoother, especially when super hot. Did I mention this motor does not use even a DROP of oil between changes? (I change it at about 3500 miles, new filter every other change) Bike Cleaning! Once again, taking the time to clean up the bike saves some possible trouble down the road. I pulled up the rubber accordion fork gaiters. I found quite a bit of dirt/sand/crud built up down around the seal. At some point I will probably go with Neoprene gaiters and lose the stock ones. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...26_pycBm-M.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...61_orYtj-M.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...35_Pnb4u-M.jpg I've gone with a new small GIVI right side only small rack. I only use to keep the new soft bags (Technic .... $60) off the pipe. Works MUCH better than my funky home made system shown earlier in this thread. While cleaning I did notice my left side piece of elec. conduit (another home made funky deal!:frown:) used as bag support had cracked and so had the mounting point on the DR. This will have to be redone. But it lasted up to almost 20,000 miles and plenty of rough dirt roads along the way, so not so bad really. I've been into the air box and carb again and have found some good results. i've cut the stock air box open according to the Jesse Kientz (Kientech) method, removed the backfire screen, installed the Dyno-Jet Needle and swapped to a 155 main jet from the 140 main I had in there. The new needle allows clip position adjustment, unlike the stock needle. It's on the fourth position. The slide had already been drilled and a washer installed under the needle. I'm running a Twin Air air filter. The bike runs very well and shows great throttle response and great power lofting the front end even in 2nd gear. But after you shut off and go back on throttle there is just a bit of lag. I will look into this. Idles and starts fine. But the key thing I was after was fuel economy. I did not want to give up good mileage or performance. With the "sort of" stock set up I previously had I was only getting around 42-44 mpg at sea level. Not good enough. I rode the bike around some with the new set up but didn't really fine tune the few niggles it had. Instead I took off for a two week ride to Colorado via Nevada and Utah. Over all fuel economy was impressive going over 45 to as high as 47 to 50 mpg :thumbup1::D:clap: This at altitudes up to 5000 ft. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...93_utQ2J-M.jpg Higher than that and it began to drop off sharply giving maybe 42 to 45 mpg. Seems most all the roads I took were fairly high up, over 5000 ft. Colorado was of course stratospheric with many passes over 10,000 ft. But MPG never dropped below 40 mpg. Any thoughts on this? Can I do even better? http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...01_nXmnS-M.jpg I pulled the snorkel off on a dirt dual sport ride out of Silverton, CO and that helped some at the super high altitudes where the bike would barely run .... literally! :helpsmilie: I probably should have changed the needle setting and gone leaner a notch or two for Colorado. But at a rally its not really something I felt like doing. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...80_pDuVP-M.jpg Imogene Pass More later..... Patrick |
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Givi panniers
Hi Mollydog
What model panniers are those givi's? Would you recommend them as good alternative to metal ones? Joe |
Hi Joe,
No, for me the GIVI E41's shown are a bit too heavy. But they are pretty strong. I crashed the bike a couple times with them on and they held up well. Scratched up not no cracks and didn't get torn off the mounting racks. On my DR650, which is a pretty light bike for a 650 single, the combination of the GIVI mounting racks/hardware (about 7 kgs. for both sides) and the GIVI bags themselves, (maybe 8 kgs. for both bags) adds up to nearly the weight of all my clothes and stuff, minus tools. The GIVI's held up well on several off road rides, the one shown a two week ride in Baja. But bike handling was not great and the bike became a bit of a handful for me (I am old, weak, overweight, and only 5'6") . A younger, stronger rider will do better I'm sure. The DR unladen handles off road really well but in Baja I was carrying 100 lbs. on the bike. (two tires for a while as well!) With 100 lbs. (about 45 kgs. ) the bike was tough for me. Since then I've gone back to soft bags. These shown below, I used on a ride out to Colorado and back, about 3500 miles. The bags are cheapo Technic bags. I now limit my load to 60 lbs. or so. The bike still is OK in the dirt with that weight. Like I said, a good strong rider won't be affected as much as me. I used to me a decent dirt rider but I'm losing it! :frown: http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...10_9oUpd-L.jpg These bags are BIG but not so well made, probably won't last too long but only cost $60 US. Here you see the bags with a top bag for my camping gear. Weight is about 60 lbs. including tools. I still had room in panniers. This trip was only two weeks. Patrick :Beach: |
Hi Joe,
No, for me the GIVI E41's shown are a bit too heavy. But they are pretty strong. I crashed the bike a couple times with them on and they held up well. Scratched up not no cracks and didn't get torn off the mounting racks. Perhaps metal panniers would hold up better over the long haul? Probably so, but even heavier I think. On my DR650, which is a pretty light bike for a 650 single, gets a bit hefty with the combination of the GIVI mounting racks/hardware (about 7 kgs. for both sides) and the GIVI bags themselves, (maybe 8 kgs. for both bags). Adds up to nearly the weight of all my clothes and stuff, minus tools. The GIVI's held up well on several off road rides, the ride shown in pics above was a two week ride in Baja. But bike handling was not great and the bike became a bit of a handful for me (I am old, weak, overweight, and only 5'6") . A younger, stronger rider will do better I'm sure. The DR unladen handles off road really well but in Baja I was carrying 100 lbs. on the bike. (two tires for a while as well!) With 100 lbs. (about 45 kgs. ) the bike was tough for me in sand, more technical rocks and cross country could be a challenge to. Since then I've gone back to soft bags. These shown below I used on a ride out to Colorado and back, about 3500 miles. The bags are cheapo Technic bags. I now limit my load to 60 lbs. or so. The bike still is OK in the dirt with that weight. Like I said, a good strong rider won't be affected as much as me. I used to be a decent dirt rider but I'm losing it! :frown: http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...10_9oUpd-L.jpg The Technic bags are BIG but not so well made, probably won't last too long but only cost $60 US. Here you see the bags with a big top bag for my camping gear. All up weight is about 60 lbs. including tools. I still had room in panniers as the trip was only two weeks. Patrick :Beach: |
hack'n'bash plate
I have our XR250 bashplates I want to retro-fit to our DR650's. Can someone email me or post pictures of the mounting system for the bashplate for the DR650. The way that Honda did it on the XR will not work on the DR so need some inspiration :-)
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To the rear there are two mount points already on the frame .. on the bottom behind the footpeg mounts and towards teh centre of the bike. Whipps (OZ) use a braket made up to clamp just under the front frame down tube. --------------- It may just be easier to buy a new one intended for the DR... |
Tires and Baja Sand Update
Just a couple tire updates on the DR650.
Some of your may have seen my thread here: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...rous+Baja+Tips Here you see me crying like a girl, bitching about deep sand and my lack of ability to ride it on my lightweight XR250. A nightmare of a ride. :nono: Well, I've just had a bit of a revelation on my last Baja trip .... just returned a couple days ago. This time I was on my DR650 and guess what? I got roped into deep sand again by my "Friends". :oops2: http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...37_e7oTV-M.jpg But low and behold, the DR (and me) performed really really well ... and in conditions equal to what I went through on the last Baja ride aboard the XR250. So what happened? I am now convinced my XR (now sold) was bent! A year before I had hit a rock in the Mojave .... actually a really big BOULDER ... which stopped me dead and threw me over the bars .... unhurt. But I did notice after that the bike didn't seem to get along too well in sand. I changed the steering head bearings but to no avail. In Baja the little XR was a nightmare for me. So my thinking is that either the fork tubes were tweaked or triple clamps. ?c? On earlier rides in the Mojave sand didn't present any problems .... but in Baja sand really made for hard work. Why? I figured the 80 lbs. heavier DR650 would murder me in sand. Not so. It tracked fine and did not require you going flat out to keep going straight. A delight actually and I didn't fall all day! NOTE: no steering damper! (still wish I had one!) As for tires, I am now a fan of the TKC 80 Continental front tire. On an earlier Baja ride I was not wild about this tire but I've changed my tune. The TKC was the perfect sand tire and generally good off road. Best of all, it's pretty good on the road as well once it wears down a bit. From new I found a bit of a weave on the DR650. Also, these things seem to last really really well. I'd guess in the area of 10K miles. (16,000 kms.) On the rear I'm still using a Dunlop D606 knobby that also is a good match for the DR650. Corners safely on tarmac and digs in hard in sand and other off road terrain. But best of all about the D606 is that it seems to last fairly well also when ridden on lots of tarmac miles. The Conti TKC rear would probably go further but is more money. I am delighted to say the DR650 is very sand capable. A steering damper would certainly help .... as it would any bike .... but I really got along fine without it. :thumbup1: The DR ran like a clock in 100f temps for hours pulling hard through deep sand. No bad sounds, no issues. :funmeteryes: Patrick :mchappy: No Longer Sand-Phobic |
A Work In Progress!
I've never liked the look of my blue IMS tank and have also grown tired of the standard and boring DR650 body work. The bike is so common, I wanted to change things up a bit.
Some of panels were scratched already and I have several spare plastic pieces .... so this is what I came up with. This is a work in progress and will need some fine tuning, touching up as time goes on. I am not a military guy AT ALL but I just liked the look. I ran into a guy with a X-Challenge BMW who had done this and I loved it. Now I just need a "Bring The Troops Home NOW!" Sticky and I'll be good. :thumbup1: Just so the Red Neck BUSH nuts know where I stand! I use the new Emgo (China) top box shown only for commuting or short rides. Got in on sale at New Enough for $60 complete with all hardware. It's working out OK, holds my helmet too. No other changes lately. Coming up: grinding extra weld from inside header pipe where it joins to head. backing off front pre-load just a hair. (shorten spacer) Drilling shock links to raise height slightly. Looking for better soft bags. GIVI? Dirt Bagz? Other? Pipe .... saving for new Two Brothers or new FMF Q4 I need to change out tires on my "road set" of wheels. (I have two sets) Enjoy! Patrick :scooter: http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...17_95pcq-L.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...08_3buFt-L.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...44_uGWuh-L.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...22_5raop-L.jpg |
MD,
First off...Happy Holidays...hope all is well with you out West. BUT to the point...I think you must have mistakenly posted these pics of your bike painted up and on your sidewalk...you realize this is the HUBB and not ADVRider.com right?!?! I wanna see more pics of your wrecks in the Baja et elsewhere...and scratches on you and the bike! |
Believe it or not Edde, I don't fall off all that much! :innocent:
I did crash a lot in deep sand on my "Dangerous Baja" ride last May, but I finally figured out it wasn't all me .... as my friggin XR250 front end was bent! :funmeterno: I should have known this as a switch to another bike showed no problems riding Sand. At the time I didn't put this together. I did a fun dual sport ride up in the Lost Coast area of far north/west California last Summer. I did fall once in mud. Stupid crash. (most are) But over all, no long rides since my ride out to Colorado/Utah last Summer for the HU Colorado travelers meeting. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...30_Qnrwm-L.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...40_CDSne-L.jpg In November my local riding group did a street/dual sport ride down through Hollister (home of the "Wild One" ) across the Los Padres and the San Andreas fault to the Big Sur coast via some fantastic dirt and paved roads. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...63_8GXkk-L.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...43_8bq9q-L.jpg Carrizo Plain, Central California http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...53_zrykr-L.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...95_yy3Wm-L.jpg We have such incredible local rides here it's hard to muster enthusiasm to conquer 3rd World destinations. On last brief Baja visit I didn't ride much as the "women folk" came along and wanted all the Sun, Sea Surf and Fishing program. We got to ride two two days out of 9. :( Another ALL DIRT Baja ride is coming up in Spring. This time my WR250F gets the call. Hopefully the bike will have a bigger fuel tank by then (Acerbis) and some sort of chase truck to carry our gear! Riding this weekend, temps are cold, in the 40's and 50's (:rofl:) but sunny weather means a good ride. Patrick :scooter: |
Cleanable Oil Filters ? and my DR650 touring bike build.
Has anyone on this list had any experance with "those" cleanable oil filters? I see Dual-star have one listed to suit a DR650.
I've been busy sorting out my DR, and was thinking about these filters. Might be easy when on the road to do a service. Ie no chasing folters or carry them. Still for the price you can buy alot of the cheap paper ones... I'm not to savy with how to upload images and content to this tool. But I'ev chucked photos and note on my face book site. If you interested check it out, I guess you'll have to cut'in paste the link below. Also is their a help page to learn how to 'drive' this tool. I conside put some travle photos up too but I can't work it out. Login | Facebook Cheers, Stephen. |
Posting pics is much easier if you use a photohosting site like Smugmug.
Smugmug is not free but some other ones are. You simply upload all your pics into your photo hosting galleries, then from there it's easy to put pics up here. Travel Tales is the best place to post your ride report with pics. See link below. This is not a list. It's a travel web site. Good luck .... you need spell check. :scooter::rofl: Travel Tales http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/ride-tales/ Website help http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/website-feedback/ |
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Regarding the stainless steel oil filters, it depends on who you ask. Do a search on ADVrider as there were some interesting discussions on them. Regardless of all the theory, there was also a guy who has actually been using them on his KTM 520 EXC. He sold it with 50K miles on it without any problems. Given how high-strung this engine is quite a testament. By the way, I am pretty sure that this is a rebranded product from Scotts Performance who is known for their high quality steering dampers. So if you do end up buying one, I would go directly to them and forget Dual Star and their shitty customer service. Lukas |
It's true, Dual Star are pathetic in terms of customer service.
I've seen the Scot's re-useable and K&N make one as well. There may be others under different brands. Look around some, my guess is they are all made in the same factory in China :rofl: Re-usable oil filter is not a bad idea ... but as Lukas says, depends who you talk to. For a very, very long trip I can see using one. I change filters only every two oil changes. I change oil every 3000 in hot weather, 4000 in cool weather. I would try it! Patrick :scooter: |
I've finally got around to measuring the horn volume ... see post (currently last on page, weithgs are on page 1)
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...r-horn-30492-2 |
Low tone horns may give a high dba reading but frequency is also critical if a horn will be heard or not by typical car drivers. Modern cars are very well insulated against sound.
A super loud low tone horn will scare the crap out of you if you are standing next to the bike. But the real test is how well this sound penetrates. Human hearing likes a sharp, upper register in the upper mid range, like 5K to 8K hertz. The little stock Jap horns aren't really LOUD .... but that mid to high frequency tends to cut through car windows, traffic noise, et al. I have a Fiam horn on my DR650. It's just OK, a bit louder than stock, no relay required ... but a relay is always better. I heard a horn on a guys R1 Yam on Sunday. I was 20 meters away and it made me JUMP! LOUD and a very sharp tone. Never did find out what it was. Loudest bike horn I've heard. I'm still looking. It would be nice to not only measure dbA but also frequency spread and to see what frequency the the peak dbA falls at. Without a relay I don't think the DR would power a good horn very well. What 'ya think Frank? Patrick :scooter: |
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[B]Luggage Update![/B]
Luggage Update: A Tale of Four Bags
Here is a run down of the bags I've tried on my DR650 so far .... and the various stand-off's I've devised, sort of in chronological order. The pipe hanger used below doubles as a stand-off. Supports the plastic side panel, keeps it off the pipe, either stock or aftermarket. This works even when bags are heavily loaded on rough riding. This in turn, helps protect whatever bag you hang on the bike. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...41_RnGGb-M.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...37_3QF5q-M.jpg These are the small Tourmaster bags I had laying around. OK for a few days ride but not big enough for a longer tour. Very well made bags, good value. The Top bag shown works great and I still use it with the LARGE Tourmaster bags and as a day ride bag. Note how narrow these bags are. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...16_ygpvF-M.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph..._txeY9-M-1.jpg These are the GIVI racks for any GIVI type hard bag. I used this set up for one trip only. If one was doing pavement only, they are fine and the bike handles fine loaded up if suspension is beefed up some. In the end, I found the hard bag set up added too much weight to the bike and gave one the ability to overpack. Not good when going off road in Baja. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...93_q3X39-M.jpg Tourmaster top bag. You could put a much larger bag on with this set up. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...18_hQ3dY-L.jpg GIVI racks/E41 bags in action in Baja. Too much overall weight. (100 lbs.) http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...34_6KfaG-L.jpg These are the larger Tourmaster Cortech bags. Much better and good for a two week camping trip with the top duffle bag shown. Problem was keeping it off the pipe. I tried this system .... it was OK but not perfect. More improvements to come. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...19_KHnbY-M.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...57_HthCZ-L.jpg This is where I am now. These are bags made by Tecnic. Inexpensive and very large. GIVI make a small rack set. Here I am using the pipe side rack only. See it in the pic. It keeps the bags well away from the pipe ... nothing caught fire or gets hot ... so far. Very nice little rack and not heavy. Uses stock bolts, very secure. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...03_cZ8nh-L.jpg http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...18_hVXRk-L.jpg Note the Tin heat sheild material next to pipe and on bag. Turns out, not needed, but can't hurt. I've set a few bags on fire before so I'm a bit cautious. The GIVI rack allows air flow. Nice. Stock pipe is now back on the bike. FMF sold ... too loud! http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...96_hNvxm-L.jpg Tecnic bags in action in Utah. So far so good. Cavernous. I try to limit my load on the DR to 65 lbs now. Bike handles better, easier to pick up. Ohlins shock helps everything, everywhere. Swedish magic! http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...10_9oUpd-L.jpg |
New Paint Job!
Added a new Emgo box I found on New Enough for $60. It's good! I would not use for traveling but good for commuting and around town riding. Not too big or too ugly ..... and cheap! Amazing what you can cram into it! Helmet fits!
The DR needs tires. The current Avon Distanzia on there have close to 9,000 miles! I am very impressed! My Pirelli Scorpion MT90's just barely made 6,000 miles. Both had seen dirt. The Distanzia's get my vote. These worn tires are still on there. Worn but working OK. (shocker!) New set of Distanzia's waiting. Last service found valves IN SPEC :D No adjustment needed after 5,000 miles. DID vm X-ring chain doing great at about 15,000 miles. No adjustments needed and looks in very good shape :thumbup1: Left heated grip needs to be re-insulated. I will order a Carb kit in the next year as I see some wear on the slide and needle. Fork pre-load spacer needs shortening by about 1/2" or so. Ohlins shock working great but in a year will be sent out for service. Bike is running great and getting about 45 to 47 mpg and making lots of power. http://patricksphotos.smugmug.com/ph...17_95pcq-L.jpg |
:thumbup1: great thread mollydog
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Maintenance updates - DR650
23,000 Mile Service
Something finally broke on my bike .... speedo cable! :laugh: SPEEDO CABLE R & R I found out a couple things in the process of replacing it. Routing is very important. Maybe the most important thing, IMO. Easy to get it wrong. If it's wrong you can interfere with clutch action and risk chafing some wires when bars are steered back and forth, over time. These are important wires. You cannot just buy a replacement cable ... what you get is the entire sheath including cable, with knurled thingy that screws onto speedo. ... all as a unit. You simply fit one end back into the Speedo drive, re-route cable (correctly), screw knurled "thingy" into Speedo, and fit drive onto front wheel. So that's done:thumbup1: Hopefully this new one will last another 20K. WIRING UNDER HEADLIGHT Discovered some sloppy wire up jobs I'd done on my heated grips and the headlight switch I installed. I cleaned these up and used Zip ties to neaten everything up under the plastic cowl. CORROSION I always look for corrosion on the connectors (multi-pin plugs) or any chafing that is going on and try to fix it before it becomes a show stopper in a bad place! :frown: BEAD HARD TO SET In mounting a new Avon Distanzia, I had trouble getting the bead to pop up fully, some of the bead was staying down in the rim. More dish soap and 70 PSI did the trick and all is well. Cold weather does not help this. All tires should come inside a couple hours before mounting. Warm 'em up, really helps. CUSH DRIVE PROBLEM I noticed some "slop" in my cush drive hub. I have two sets of wheels for my bike and it turns out I am using the "old" hubb and cush drive on my bike. It works fine but there is a fair bit of slop. I've now been advised that my Cush Drive rubber inserts are work out. (they are from 1997, so I can understand this). So I'll go back to the other hubb, rubber inserts and sprocket from my "new" bike. Also will be buying a new set of rubber inserts. When I go in again I will also inspect the bearings within the hubb very carefully and clean and regrease everything. The tip off that the rubber inserts are shot is when the sprocket just falls out. If the rubber is fresh, it will hold the sprocket in place. Interesting. Also, on mine there is a lot of movement, to and fro and side to side. Should not be much of any movement apparently. Fork Preload changes Since installing new Eibach fork Springs (4.7 kgs ... stock is 4.0 ) over a year ago I've been fiddling with preload spacers. Last time I did this I added spacer length and went too far, so today I shortened them by an 1/8". Small adjustments can be felt ... believe it or not. Will have to see how it feels now. Also backed off compression damping on my Ohlins shock, it was just a tiny bit harsh over small bumps. UP COMING WORK I will have to pull the clutch side case and check the NSU bolts. Normally the clutch should be pulled for this. Will up date. Also a couple other things to check once inside. Bike seems OK other than this. |
Fantastic thread....
I'm looking to pick up a Suzuki thumber soon... I'm 50:50 about a trip from the UK to capetown so I was considering a DRZ400S which I think would be perfect for the tracks which are classed as roads there, but the miles of tarmac to contend with inbetween the nightmare offroad sections, has my ass screaming in protest. Mollydog, how do you think the DR650 compares to an XT600E (which I have good exxperience with) ???? I heard the DR650SE is smoother and quicker on the road (XT is not happy over 60mph) How do you think the DR would do in Africa ?? Offroad capable ?? I didnt like my XT600E offroad at all. The suspension was awful and it didnt give me any confidence at all.. My XR650R was much much more capabe :) |
Ted, I really liked my DR650SE for my last trip. It was so light and manoeuverable compared to the beemer which I still have (ie it hasn't been stolen yet...). I was concerned about hitting Europe, especially Germany however it sat at 120/130kph quite happy, ie normal motorway speeds. My GS1150 still feels way too big and heavy even after being home for 6 months.
Definitely go for at least the 20L IMS tank, the 30L Safari one is a bit excessive IMO. The Corbin seat was a bit hard, but is wider than the original which kills your ass v quickly. I put on higher bars which helped my lower back and a wee windscreen. Mine had an Aussie made Staintune exhaust which sounded fantastic, really dirty sounding. Its a bit lighter than the original. I also recommend the Andy Strapz bags (or similar) in conjunction with some simple metal racks (I still have my set which I need to get round to selling) to keep the bags off the bodywork/exhaust although I secured them with 55L Pacsafes which got really annoying to get in and out of. However I was surprised at the amount of stuff I had nicked/broken in Asia compared to having nothing nicked/damaged in the Americas. But thats a whole other thread... |
Hey Ted … I just finished a ride on a DR650 from Morocco to Cape Town. IMHO, the DR was the ideal bike for Africa. Light, maneuverable, fast and super reliable … great fun to ride!
Like you, I had considered the DRZ400. Glad I chose the DR650. Yes, once in a while the terrain was so bad that the DRZ would have been an advantage. But the DR650 was more than capable off road and overall the DR wins hands down. I agree with MikeS – soft panniers are the way to go. Saves a lot of weight vs. aluminum boxes. I used an SW Motech Trax top box on the DR, providing security for laptop and other valuables. I ran the 30L Safari tank and needed that all that fuel more than a few times. With the 20L IMS, I would have been toting fuel bottles a few times. Good luck. Mark |
Looks like the DR650 could be the one...
They are very rare in the UK though. You very rarely see them for sale :( I'm also a soft bag convert for overlanding. First time I dropped my XT in the rough stuff, I totalled my Metal mules... £900 OUCH. |
Hey Ted,
I sold my KTM LC4 and bought a DR650 specifically with a trans-Africa trip in mind. Unfortunately it has been delayed due to a job offer I couldn't pass up, which at least it gave me some more time to tinker with the bike. The DR has a really good base for an adventure bike IMO: Simple, very solid engine/frame/subframe, reasonable weight and good quality overall. It's a lot lighter than KLR and F650 and about the same as a KTM LC4. About 20lbs more than DRZ, which is worth it for the added comfort on tar roads. Suspension is decent stock depending on your weight, but it does need a seat and tank. Another cool thing is that it has a very big following, especially in the US, Australia and Germany. This means a big aftermarket with just about anything you could want, as well as a very supportive group of owners on ADVrider and Thumpertalk. Some of these creative guys have come up with cool cheap mods, eg carbs (Keihin pumper), exhaust (GSXR titanium) and even suspension (KTM front end basically bolts straight on). None of this stuff is needed, but it can transform the DR into performing like a KTM while retaining the Japanese reliability. If you can't find a used one in the UK, you could check in Germany. I am probably going to pick up a second one next week to make into a permanent supermoto for commuting, a 97 with 10'km for €1600. My 96 cost me only €700, and although it was ugly it has not had a single mechanical problem in the last two years. Let us know if you have any specific questions if you do end up getting one, and we'll be glad to point you the right way. Cheers, Lukas |
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Soft panniers
I'm just in the process of buying a DR650 to ride the continental divide trail in August. All the info on this thread is a great help, but I have a question.
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Thanks, I will have to keep it simple as I fly into the US, pick up the bike and only have 1 day before setting off.
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DR650 Side Luggage Racks, Rear Plastic Guards, DR 650 | eBay UK
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Really helpful stuff, but I need to keep weight to an absolute minimum for the flight, so buying a rack here in UK is pretty much a non starter unfortunately.
I'm hoping I can do something like pics 2 or 8 in post 167. This way I can do the L bend at the top of the bracket (where it bolts to the frame) and do the rest when I get to the US. RideFar, your solution may also be a good option for me, as again I can do some of the work before I leave home. Especially as it looks like I only need a stand off on the exhaust side. The main difficulty is of course that I have only a WR250 here in UK to get an idea from and this is no help with actual measurements. |
Pinball1008 - You indicated on the bike pics that you have the Pro-Moto Billet rear rack. Have you considered something like the following from Procycle to keep your bags off the exhaust?
I can't seem to paste in a picture for some reason. Suzuki DR650 Parts, Performance, & Accessories - ProCycle Add To Order Add-on saddlebag guards to protect your saddlebags from the exhaust pipe and rear tire. Requires the Pro Moto Cargo Rack (see above) to mount properly. Made from CNC machined 6061 billet aluminum. Requires some simple drilling to install. Approx. 7" wide and 9" long. |
I have now decided to go a different route and will strap a Kriega US30 on the back.
I have cut my gear down to an absolute minimum and as we're staying in motels overnight, I will wash clothes every 2/3 days. We pick up the bikes in Helena on 27th August and the 3 of us hit the CDT at Roosville on the 29 August. If anyone wants to buy a month old DR650 in Phoenix around the 22nd of September, please let me know. |
[QUOTEhttp://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27..._Annotated.jpg=Ride Far;339563]Not a difficult job but requires some finessing and bending in a vise, especially for the mount above the exhaust, at least the way I did it. You can see the brace in this pic.
\ Here's the other side for the heck of it. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a27...-Annotated.jpg[/QUOTE] Nice setup! How are you finding the front springs? did you go for a stiffer spring? I'm looking to set mine up for a larger tank/ more weight as well, and am looking for feedback on the best suspension setup. Lots of options out there, which is great - but also makes the choices more difficult. |
I tried to emulate some of these mods with our DR's. This bike is set up really well. After adding the Safari tank on my bike, I upgraded to an Elka rear shock, heavy springs & oil together with a folk brace and was very happy with the way the bike handled.
If I had to do it again though, I would skip the Safari, wasn't really needed and would have gone with the IMS which my wife had on her bike. Very adequate. Daryll |
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The Safari tank is great. Not only does it hold a shit load of fuel but also provides a comfy foot rest!
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Not much action on this thread in nearly 3 years. :helpsmilie:
Recently came across a ride report on ADV Rider featuring 2 DR650's: Earth's Ends: Riding DR650's from End to End | Page 31 | Adventure Rider And their build thread: When a project gets out of hand: Building two DR650 RTW bikes | Adventure Rider Fairly extreme DR build ups on link above. Some "improvements" now coming back to bite!:rofl: No wonder, with so much unnecessary weight and bulk added! doh But fun picks and Africa riding tips. Too bad they're not posting here on HUBB! :( DR650 up date: Now at 65,000+ miles (90K km), my '06 DR650 is still going strong but probably could use a top end job (valve guide seals allowing occasional smoke on start up), suspension freshen up along with some new bearings would help. I've learned a lot from the DR Riders forum as well as the BIG DR650 thread over on ADV Rider in Thumpers forum. All good guys with tons of info and help for anything DR650. :D:D:D:D I have not changed much on my bike in the last 30K miles. Now running Yoshimura pipe, Wolfman top duffel bag and inexpensive Nelson-Rigg soft panniers, plus awesome HID headlight. Shorai battery coming soon. Several long On Road and Off Road trips since last update. All good. I did dent a wheel in Baja. (I have spare wheel but don't really need it) bier |
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I just got a DR650 , my wife and I will prep both our DR and I have to say that the post on this tread are very useful. We plan to use it for an Africa/Europe trip on 2 bikes/up ...:mchappy:
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I wrote a lot of this thread years ago, I made quite a few mistakes in my early mods and advice I gave about the DR650. Sorry! Like all of us, I've learned A LOT about the Care and Feeding of the DR650 since 2006 when I first bought the bike. No one was more surprised than I to see just how good the DR is and how tough it is and how long it can go ... over 65K miles on my bike. I should go back and edit out my errors ... but I'm lazy and it's a bit of work to do that! SO! if you have any questions about anything, just pipe up and I will try to clarify and correct. I've learned SO MUCH since early days. Good luck on your prep! I wish I could ride along with you in Africa. Nothing like an experienced Africa expert/guide to make it more fun! bier |
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Thanks a lot I appreciate the offer . So far I ordered 5.3 gal tanks , new handle bars , skid plate handguard ( I prefer it to the 6.6 Gal and will carry a kolpin for use in specific area), I will do a corbin or seat concept and we are looking at soft luggage to keep the bike very light. The bikes are jetted well and still have oem exhaust ( heavy but quiet). A friend of mine (john from ADVmonster )gave me some h4 led light and they work perfect. Suspension look like is going to cost a bunch but will be worth since the bikes were pretty cheap to start with.
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Good choice with the DR's Hendi, I highly recommend Cogent Dynamics suspension, some DDC valves with heavier springs in the front and their excellent rebuilt shocks. I have not touched my rear shock since 2010 and since then it has been around SAmerica 2up with luggage and lots of backcountry rides here in Canada, my buddy Nevil rode his DR RTW with the same shock with no issues whatsoever (he runs Ricor Intiminators up front) I like the Safari tank, it was handy in SAmerica with fuel strikes in Argentina we were able to carry plenty of gas, but off road when full it is too big and heavy, it also ruins the turning lock which has caused me a few issues trying to turn in tight spaces. I am considering buying a smaller Acerbis tank for the backcountry rides I am doing now, I will keep the Safari for long trips though. |
Thanks for the tip I came back from south america after over a year on a dl650and the bike did great but was very heavy while doing tough off road. Anyway 48000 miles of fun was worth the effort. For Africa light weight is what I want so the dr is perfect . Soft luggage will save a lot of weigh and the 5.3 acerbis will do well for me. I plan to set up my foot peg for gas and water . Keeping the bike more stable and agile than with the safari tank.
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Hi Guys
Did you weld support on your frame , not planning two up but between luggages ( 50 to 70 pounds) and spare tires and my 200 pound I may stress the frame ... |
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Nope, I have not welded supports or braced the frame, the paint has cracked off a couple of the welds on the rear frame - probably due to me cartwheeling the DR at 80 mph though, this bent the rear frame out of alignment and to straighten it two guys used a 10 foot steel bar to pull it back within spec - but the welds are fine - the DR is pretty tough :) |
Thanks appreciate that , one less thing to do
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OK many parts are in the mail but still didn't get a seat yet.in the usa we have too many choices some of the cheaper one are seat concept / procycle /corbin. .. i am looking for some comfort but still need to be good of road and while standing up.
Any opinion. Thanks Hendi |
I like the Corbin, has a rounded profile towards the front which does not cause a seam to be against the inside of your leg, its fairly heavy but comfortable (especially compared to the stock plank!) and not too wide at the front for standing.
Others to look at are the Sargeant and Renazco - both also good seats. |
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