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Updates from me and in the interest of constructive feed back
 

Bearing in mind previous OPOs', here are some of my observations which may or may not be taken on board in the interest of accuracy in the next updates of the TMT. Some may find them useful, others not- take your pick!

ER606 Shepherds Jct No Elevation data (NED)
H Beni Tadgite to Boudnib the track has been inverted in V2.35 and currently runs South to North
K Elevation data erroneous
M NED
P NED
Q NED
R + S + U Elevation data erroneous
V NED
W + X Elevation data erroneous

on a side note
Under 'INFO' it is stated what Garmin symbols/icons cannot have multiple colours which is incorrect. Garmin has the facility, on many of its more recent units, to have CUSTOM SYMBOLS which I find particularly useful as a 'picture speaks a thousand words'
The Garmin help page on these is here

I am fascinated by your obsession with elevation data. Are you flying the route?
I don't see this as constructive criticism, sorry.

@mossproof :
No need to be sorry. There is no criticism on my part, just observations on information provided and my take on things which we are all entitled to have.

Edwardbgill (in post 9) said he welcomed feedback- and that is mine.

It is stated that the TMT has had 200,000 views- fabulous! Now if only a handful of those viewers actually rode/drove the TMT and provided their data back to Ed & Chris, it is only reasonable to expect that the quality of the data should increase on each and every new version. My view- to date- is that it still needs a lot of work to update the veracity of the information provided and there is nothing wrong with that either.

I would expect the creators to accept contributions and observations in the positive spirit they are offered to improve on their idea making it better and better- unless, of course, that this is not the primary objective.

To add value- a few more suggestions for Ed and Chris
 

@mossproof – as I forgot to reply to your ‘are you flying the route’ mention, having both the elevation and time data enables one to have a better perspective on terrain and possible difficulties. The lower the leg speeds would usually indicate a higher likelihood of greater terrain difficulties. Combine this with elevation data and you get a better ‘picture’. See previous screenshots I have posted in this thread (#1)

Another suggestion relating to waypoint alarms.
I noticed these were all set at 100 meters irrespective of the type of waypoints- at 30 km/hr that gives you some 12 seconds to look at/hear the alarm before being on top of it. My take, for trails, is that it would be more leisure-full to have these set at somewhere between 250 to 500meters.

For fuel stations and accommodation
I would set these at 20kms

For water/wells- 3kms

Depending on the remoteness of the environments I ride/drive, I adapt these alarms to suit my needs and my way of travelling. My take is that, once you’ve set your alarms to what you would prefer, the sat nav then informs you automatically.

I hope that's helpful.

WRT to elevation data I just read the contours from a topo map either in basecamp or my 700i if its an area I'm unfamiliar with, although most of the TMT I know well so don't really need to do that so much.

The TMT has been busy with users over the spring with lots of posts on the FB group, but not every one using it returns track logs or other critical info to the route. What one person finds hard another finds easy so some feedback wont be of much use for showing the route on a map or navigation device.

I'm not fully upto date with the latest changes despite being here in Morocco (cracking day in the desert today partly on Stage K) but most have been through feedback about blockages, weather damage etc.

(I guess proximity alarms are more use on a bike than a 4x4 but the scare the life out of me when they go off!)

@TheWarden
Maybe you could choose a different alarm tone in your 700i so that it doesn't startle you so much?
One of the defaults is a shrieking tone which is dreadful but then if it is used where you really must be very cautious it does its job!

To change Tones: / turn them off/ change units/delete
Home
Proximity alarms
Touch the 3 bars
Alarm tones set up
Make your choices
and dare I mention adjust the volume!


Enjoy the tagines and get recipies!

Trans-Morocco-Trail-Map-v2.37.gpx
 

@ chris

H Beni Tadjite > Boudnib 67km

I previously flagged for correction (post #17), now two versions ago, that this track needs to be INVERTED as it currently is FROM Bouderib TO the fuel station indicated as H Afri'quia Beni Tajite.

And I'll stop there as it is (sadly) clear that despite 'updates', there is clearly zero interest in either accuracy or contributions/observations from others nor any appreciation on your part. What a pity as I could have added value to your original idea but ... never mind, crack on.

You hit the nail on the head buddy; the most tenacious 'contributors' are here for gratuitous self-promotion, under the guise of altruistic helpfulness

I'm sorry to burst your bubble on this Toyark, but I'm afraid to tell you that the TMT has taken contributions and observations and updates from many others.

That's why we have published multiple updated versions since it was launched only 6 months go. You have complained about the number of updates previously, so you can't have it both ways - would you prefer us to incorporate contributions from others and then not publish an updated track?

It might be worth reflecting that TMT is a side project for both myself and Chris, therefore some changes will be included, some will not. Your own views on how to add value to the TMT may or may not be shared by others, including, it seems, several members of this forum.

Nonetheless, and in so far as your own contributions, I will double check the Section H comment.

On elevation data, we don't plan to include this information.

All the best, and I personally hope you get some time away from the screen and out there on the TMT in the near future.,

Ed

Interesting view Barrie, which you're obviously entitled to.

You forgot an alternative reason, however - that the co-founders enjoy riding/driving in Morocco, and have hugely enjoyed pulling the TMT project together simply because of that.

Feel free to come and speak to myself or Chris at the festivals we're speaking at this summer, and you'll be able to see first hand what our motivations are rather than making assumptions from a distance.

Ed

Sadly, so so true. The $ speaks...

ED, it is of no consequence to me whether my observations are taken on board or not. I was perplexed at the number of updates where previous errors were not being corrected. What I find disappointing is that those who lack knowledge, as we all do on certain subjects, persist in pretending they do and provide inaccurate information. I have always applauded your project and only offered my suggestions as, like you said, it (still) needs a lot of work and I do see opportunities missed-so far.

Chris has been very quiet... which is very unusual for him; I hope he is well.

Thank you for your concern about my screen time and suggestions about enjoying the TMT.
AFAIAC, having been to Morocco many times, it has a great deal more to offer in archaeology/ architecture/musical/culinary wise etc. than just riding on stony, dusty tracks where there are few of those to be experienced. Travellers, by whatever means of transport, mostly do so to educate themselves and have new experiences.
The TMT still has the potential to include such information and I would encourage you to listen to Tim Cullis whose knowledge of Morocco is very substantial and maybe you could include his ideas in your future versions.
I do understand that, for some, Morocco is only about off-roading and that’s fine too. A chacun son choix. It’s a big world out there!

Many thanks for your further reflections Toyark, I’ve got nothing further to add.

All the best for the future.

Ed


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I'd like to clarify that my comment referred to neither Ed nor Chris, and also to clarify, Ed, that my remark reflects my observations, not distant assumptions, or whatever you wrote.
Amusingly, I've since been threatened with censorship, which I find pathetically laughable.
Right, I'm finished here now, and away to the bush for a few months anyway, so goodbye

Thanks for clarifying Barrie, appreciated. Enjoy the bush.

Ed


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