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here at the HU I thought we try to help others, specially the ones that are on the road from far away... don't we ? |
So get a plane, bus, boat, truck, plane, is helpful then? I;d better get a RTW plane ticket then and call it 'overlanding':innocent:
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The primary objective of most rides is to survive it.
If it were me , I would look out to buy a cheap van/pickup, insure it and drive it to the UK and dump/sell it. Maybe even an estate car and lie the bike on its side. ( remove liquids and battery first) Doubt very much you can get one way hire across country borders even in the EEC. I used to ride to and fro Norfolk to Cornwall each weekend when I was in the forces. All through the winter of '63 435 miles each way on a Meriden Triumph 500. I did have a fairing but it was still cold. I wouldn't do it now. I just ride for pleasure these days. Even last September on my way to Poland I had two days when it rained all day. Miserable ride. The rest of the two weeks were fine. http://www.our-site.me.uk/bike/larry/P1000244.JPG |
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In germany there is a new low scince thsi winter saying you have to have tires with the M+S Symbol for Mud and Snow lie the TKC80 if there is ice or snow on the road. The highways are very bouring so i would prefere to take the natiola rouds. With them you also donw have to pay toll in france, swiss and spain. Travel save, Tobi |
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M&S tyres make a massive difference (Heidenaus are my preference, TCKs are very very stiff in the sidewalls in my experience). Snow is very much like sand so normal knobblies work and off road riders pick it up quickly. Ice is the reason for M&S tyres and make it just like riding in the wet once your head has worked out about staying smooth and not going into panic mode. I'd agree with the law in Germany, it should be Europe wide but I'd debate the German law being enforcable on a foreign vehicle unless there is an obvious reason it was causing a problem (in other words if you are riding well on normal knobblies the police won't bother you, crash and they will). Clothing isn't a big issue for a simple cross country trip like this. One piece thermal, lots of jumpers and an unlined oversuit and you'll be fine. Total cost, €300 for the tyres (which can be run in the summer until worn down, they'll last about half the distance of summer compound) and €100 for the extra clothing (which can be chucked in a charity collection/recycle bin in April). You are where you need to be, the bike is with you, you aren't getting deported for fly tipping and you'll find sand and rain come very easy once you've mastered the winter stuff. If you are lucky you'll also see some beautiful countryside in a season you'd otherwise miss and other sorts of slippy stuff will come easier. The downside is the risk of losing an indicator or worse which is why when it ceases to be fun you find somewhere to stay. What is useful is knowing the topography. Crossing the Pennines, Eifel, Alps etc. the roads rise and it gets colder. Having a warm drink, getting ready then having an hour of this cold stuff mid morning works. Arriving at the point where it starts to rise just as it gets dark and pushing on because you want the nights beer in a particular town is the recipe for a rotten trip or worse. This means it's slower and more tireing than a summer blast. I'm with Ta-Rider on the National Roads with one small addition. When the weather closes in they keep the city to city motorways open longest. The motorways also have service stations with motels. If you really do get caught in some bad stuff, the emergency lane is the place to ride at 10 MPH rather than on the blind bends of the minor roads. If there is a sudden fall of snow it's debateable which is best. Following a snow plough at 40 mph isn't as much fun as having the minor road to yourself, but getting caught on a quickly shrinking line of rideable slush with trucks passing you is really bad, as it 10 mph on the hard shoulder. Certainly if you end up out with darkness falling the Autobahn is your friend. If you don't try of course you'll never know. Andy |
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yes, the new law for winter tyres = M+S is a minimum requirement for cars, I'm not to sure if it will apply for bikes too.... often this new laws do not apply to bikes regarding it's "considerable lesser" appearance on the road, just like the emission laws don't apply for bikes that strict, the main target about this laws are cars. Some idiot on TV even mention to introduce colour coded tyres as they are available now... like orange tyres for summer and black for winter use to allow the police for easy identifications... doh
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by now we all know, and meanwhile found out that it may can be a tricky decision for him to make a good and bearable judgement about the weather, road conditions and distance he want to be able to cover over the next two weeks before xmas in unknown territory.. "Rehan asked for some hints"... so... as far I understand... Rehan want or may even need to go from Berlin to Amsterdam, Brussel, Paris and London.... to discover what Europe is like... how about providing him some more targeting advice and help to do this in this unexpected winter chaos... rather than confusing the means of how to travel ? now Rehan: I can provide you a stepping stone for free commendation for a few days to be able for to sit out bad weather, having a rest, space to work on your bike if needed and what else, I live basicaly right on that axial line you would come by, I can provide essential turn off and location GPS waypoints for most of this journey (over country roads and motorways, crossroads, ports and so on, which I did collect and ridden my self for countless times over the last 10 years) that may help you to make effective use of the short daytime and not wasting to much time to find a right way, got a good idea of the geographic situation too. and as I see there is "atgxt660 / Richard" from the Netherlands is happy to help you out too... sound grate to me... question: is there any one else who like to voluntary on this matter ? spooky |
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Have you tried contacting HU Communities (link in menu bar on left)? The people there like to meet/help other travellers. cheers Chris |
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By dump I meant take it to a scrapyard to junk it. or sell it on for road use. However a foreign registered old van LHD may not be very much sought after in the UK. The parts are mostly good. same as giving clothing to charity for recycling. |
Black ice will be the biggest problem ,as it's not easily visible .The rest you can compensate for by riding cautiously .I used to ride all year round in the UK before I moved to Canada ,it wasn't always fun ,but I did it and the only part that scared me was riding when it was snowing heavily ,the effect of the snowflakes in the headlight was disorienting .These days ,with electric suits, the cold isn't too bad .The key factor is to stay warm ,then you'll be alert .Plus take up the offers of hospitalty !Buy a van ? Not on your nelly !
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Ride on! Dorin |
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24 hours later, place the unfortunate in a room with his wife. While talking of Reindeer and scenes of fantastic whiteness he will remove his shirt to reveal eight red marks spaced at the exact intervals of the wires in the heated jacked across his back :oops2:. These also match the spacing of the finger nails on some imagined lady of negotiable virtue from the street next to the bar you were in. :helpsmilie:. Cruel and Unusual punishement will follow:eek3: On a serious note, take care with heated kit. It really does turn hard work into fun and according keep you awake and safer. Stand on the plug or have the wiring go phut though and you are back to what you are wearing. You need to have enough on to make it safely without the gadgets. Andy |
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Thanks for all the replies. If nothing else, it confirms that there are many issues in continuing on. A few people have talked about dealing with cold. I bought some cold weather gear which proved to be OK for riding in -10 and German snowstorm a few weeks ago. Fingers and toes are still a problem though. The only solution was to stop regularly at petrol stations and warm up under the WC hot water or hand driers. A bottle of hot water on the chest under the jacket helped a lot too. It proved an electric vest would be a wise investment. It is a big thing for me to ride into London as the symbolic RTW end point and that is weighing on me a lot. It's been the goal and the drive. On the other side is a long cold motorway ride with constant fear of wipe out (nods to Andy and Spooky). I started writing this reply saying I was going to ship the bike home from Berlin but in doing so realised I really don't want to do that. So - it looks like there is going to be enough of a gap in the weather between 18 Dec to 23 Dec so I think i'm going to make an attempt. The plan is as follows: 17 Dec - fit TKC 80s / K60s 18 Dec - Hannover 19 Dec - Wuppertal (thanks Spooky) 20 Dec - Ghent (where are you atgxt660?) 21 Dec - Calais 22 Dec - London ?c? Can western Europe be worse than the KKH or an Iranian jail? I'll let you know in about a week... |
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