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Erik this is the sort of milage that most fleet operators, from hire to company cars turn their vehicles over, its a compromise between resale value and sale ability, off loading high milage newer vehicles is always harder, and I spose that it is also a point where most operators feel that problems might start coming into their fleet, there ar`nt many fleet vehicle that lead and easy life, poeple will do things to a company or hire car that they would never consider doing to their own car.
But for a private vehicle like yours that has been maintained, and has a history that you know about should last for many years. I would love a new a newer vehicle but money dictates, not to metion the value of a carnet required for something worth an arm or a leg. Col |
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"one of the major LR/camper hire companies in Australia runs a fleet of TD5 Disco`s and 110s" Would this be THA? Ch |
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Think there are two main parts to the Aus / LR arguement. 1) most Aussies don't rate LRs, Toyota has a real dominance through reliability, through aftermarket support and primarily through advertising that convinces ordinary Aussies who have never been in an offroad that the LC is the best.
That aside, the other key difference with offroading in Aus is that you can always get support. I lived there for several years and travelled throughout the outback. The reality is that as long as One takes food and water so One can survived for a while and travels with a HF radio / Sat phone then you can always get support. Might cost a bit and One might have to wait a few days for it to turn up but fairly easy to do. Completely different scenario to Africa where even if you have communication devices, there is no guarantee that you can get support. Parts are difficult to source, etc. Would have absolutely no worries about taking a TD5 in to the Aussie outback. Would not necassarily be the same for Africa. We had major problems crossing from Chad to Sudan in a 300TDI with bad diesel. We were able to deal with the problem in a 300TDI but would have been in serious trouble with a TD5 and we would have really struggled to get parts, help, etc. |
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Col PS, sorry Chris this thread has started to drift of track a little. |
If anyone needs the manufactuer and spec of a 300tdi belt that is short enough to miss the PAS pump then drop me an email
Maybe a good thing to carry as part of a spares package I use them as Tiggurr does not use the pas pump ------------------ Rich LR101 300Tdi Ambi 'Tiggurr' |
Well this topic of conversation came up again the other day and I think there are a couple of other advantages to the 300 TDI over the 200 TDI.
With the 300 you get the R380 gearbox, which is am improvement over the LT77, and secondly and more importantly you get a disc brake rear axle over the 200s drum brake rear axle. The disc brake axle apart from being more efficient is a hell of a lot more maintenance free in regaurds to brake pad wear etc. Overall I dont really think it matters which one you get 200 or 300, which ever comes along at the best price for its condition. Col Campbell |
The 200tdi is more popular for conversions on older landies 'cos you don't have to change the gearbox, which I believe you do have to on the 300, along with a few other mods. The timing belt thing didn't apply to all 300tdi models and most should have worked their way through by now. If in doubt ensure that it has been checked by the dealer as to whether it needs the spacer to deal with missalligned pulleys that cause premature fan belt failure. I was advised by a land rover techniciam that the td5 was unsuitable for africa because of fuel prolems. Incidently he had just spent 45 minutes trying to work out why a new model rangie wouldn't start. Turned out the electronics had shut down because water had got into a headlight, handy in a 4x4! This kind of thing, and the difficulty of repair are probably the biggest reasons for not taking a TD5 vehicle into Africa. I think landrover have forgotten their core business to chase a fashion trend.
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have you guys considered the 300's injection system is controlled by a ecu which could be a problem miles from anywhere and the 200's is by far easier to repair.
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True Roman,
my 300TDI doesn't have an ECU anywhere in sight (or out of sight) - just a standard fuel pump etc. Depends on the year. The '98 D90 engine in my 1982 Range Rover is, apparently, one of the last non-electronically controlled engines. B |
The later 300Tdis do have an EGR, consisting of a black box and some pipework, but all that does is reduce emmisions a tiny bit and gunk up the hoses... Many people take it off, with no ill effect. I know a couple of people thoght the EGR box was an ECU, but it's not.
Rgds, Nick. ------------------ Nick Taylor www.exerro.com ------------------ 1996 BMW F650 1996 300 TDi 90 1997 NAS D90 ST #685 1998 Camel Trophy 110 CT47 |
doh| thanks very much for putting my knowledge to rights, gary.
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Hi,lets get back to the point, 200 or 300tdi. well I would go for the 300. reasons being it would be a newer engine then the 200 if buying 2nd hand. The belt fault can be sorted by fitting a new belt and the kit which land rover sales. The 300 tdi gives out the same power as the 200. land rover changed the fuel injection system to keep the noice down.
There is of course the new 2.8 tdi made in brazil, thats the engine I am going for. I may also add that know early engines use an ECU, not even the new 2.8. hope this helps. terry |
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