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DR650 - Opinions wanted on RTW list
Hello there Ladies and Gents,
Steve from Australia here. LONG time lurker on the forums here. I’ll hopefully be around here for quite some time, as come December I’ll be shipping a DR650 to South America and starting a rtw trip of approximately two years! Aims: The Bike – Lightweight & Reliability, will hopefully be able to handle any trail / offroad section. The trick? I’m trying to configure my luggage setup to allow for a passenger (on paved roads) for periods of up to a week or two. The Trip – Exploration of all those places I’ve seen on the many blogs here, focusing on meeting people from all walks of life, all cultures, and hopefully I’ll get to use my TEFL qualification to teach English on the odd occasion. No time limit bar the weather, following the sun. Right now I’m still at the planning stage, hopefully I’ll be picking up a decent DR650 in the next 4 weeks and preparation can begin in earnest with a gluttonous wave of online ordering my credit card will absolutely love. I’ve put together a list (wishlist maybe) and would really appreciate any info from the experienced crew on here. I’ve put up a mirrored post on advriders/horizonsunlimited. This list is mainly about the bike and equipment, still to come is a list regarding visas / border crossings / events or POI’s / website, blogging and general route planning. I’d really appreciate any comments on any of the listed items below, early stages still so many changes are bound to occur. (yes, it’s obviously unfinished regarding riding gear / camping) Thanks all, Steve |
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1. ELECTRONICS 1. Trailtech Vapor Speedo MX1 Australia - Product Details 2. For above – need dash? MX1 Australia - Product Details 3. GPS / Mounting – Gamin Montana 650 4. 12v / auxiliary power – check shortwayround for info. 5. Headlight – replace bulb? H4 Kits - relay kit. 6. Spotlights – 10 watt LED DR650 Aux light mounts - ADVrider 7. flexible buell indicators – LED? 8. Battery – Shorai Li-Iron? 9. Grip heaters VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Grip Heaters 10. Stator Suzuki DR650 Parts, Accessories, & Performance - ProCycle 2. MECHANICAL ETC 1. Carby – Stock? Breather vent tubes? 2. Airbox? 07 DR650 Kientech airbox mod ? - ADVrider 3. Oil filter – Scotts stainless reusable 4. + In line fuel filter? 5. Braided brake lines – front only VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Brakes 6. Stator rewire??? 7. Rear suspension – Rebuild OEM shock 8. Front? Big job to swap forks. Req? Maybe just – 9. Sprocket? Two x 10. Auto chain oiler Scottoiler 11. Remove chain roller 12. Output shaft seal – retainer fitted 13. Remove clutch and side stand safety switches 14. Chain – Swap ? 15. Magnetic sump plug 16. Tool kit 17. Spares 18. Wheel bearings 19. Cush drive bearing 20. Change above to sealed? 21. Rimlock 3. BODY 1. Strip and weld gussets to subframe / luggage rack – Paint / Powdercoat? 2. Safari Tank - 30L Suzuki DR650SE 30 litres | Safari Tanks - Safari Tanks Replace ally brace with steel 3. Bark Busters 4. Bars – Pro Taper CR High Rise 5. Remove Speedometer 6. Build new plate for dash? 7. Side stand – weld wider plate 8. Bash plate – B&B B&B Off-Road - Suzuki DR650 Bashplate 9. Windscreen – screensforbikes Suzuki DR 650 96-14 � Screens For Bikes 10. Custom seat – Sargent Sargent World Sport Adventure Touring Seat Suzuki DR650 1996-2009,2011-2013 - RevZilla 11. Engine case armour? Suzuki DR650 Parts, Accessories, & Performance - ProCycle 12. Replace rear wheel? 18inch? DR350 interchangeability wheel question. : General DR650 Discussion 13. Change out rim tape – check shortwayround 4. LUGGAGE 1. Top - Pelican 1600 Pelican 1500 with Foam Black Need to work out size 2. Run power to pelican? 3. Luggage plate for top box? B&B Off-Road - DR650/DRZ400 Luggage Plate Wolfman Suzuki DR 650 Top Rack 4. Tank Panniers – Soft 5. Rack to mount above 6. Tankbag – Waterproof / Backpack conversion 5. CLOTHING 1. 3 Synthetic T-shirts 2. 2 Light Trousers 3. 3 Pairs Socks 4. 2 Long Sleeve Shirts 5. 3 Underwear Shorts 6. 2 Casual Shorts 7. 1 Pair of 4 Season Socks 8. 1 Water-proof Jacket 9. 1 Sandals (Teva) 10. 1 Thongs 11. 1 Runners / Hiking boots 6. RIDING GEAR 7. CAMPING 8. PERSONAL 1. Cameras, lots of cameras. 9. What the? 1. Swingarm water tank? 2. Passenger setup! 3. Hidden storage – key / money etc. Links Parts + Accessories + Performance = ProCycle VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Shop |
Sounds like a good plan ... and a very comprehensive list of mods. Some I would do, some I would skip. My DR is at 55,000 miles (88K kms), done 6 Mexico rides (Cent. Am. and Baja). Also ridden Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Oregon, Idaho and all over California. It's a 2006, still doing well.
There is SO MUCH information about the bike ... bit overwhelming. Learn what you can, set her up best you can ... most of all ... Have Fun! bier I'm sure you've thought of costs ...one big expense will be shipping your bike from Oz to S. America. Maybe $2k ? when all said and done? :helpsmilie: Seems like you prefer to do full prep on your bike while you're still at home? fair enough. But you could buy a new-ish, low mileage DR650 used in the USA for around $3K to $4K usd and save on the shipping. Just ride South from USA. Many used DR's here will already have MANY of the items you list. If you can find a place to hang out for a couple weeks (free?) ... you could probably do some of the up grades and add ons to the bike you buy. ProCycle and others would have everything you might need and shipping is 2 days away. So ... just an idea. Plenty of lightly used DR's here for reasonable prices. :thumbup1: To learn everything about the DR650 and the many mods out there ... go to the BIG ADV Rider thread: the DR650 thread - ADVrider A huge thread. But go on, ASK if you need to find something or need a tutorial or just need advice. LOTS of good DR guys there, including a few Aussies and Kiwis who really know their stuff and know the DR well! :thumbup1: Also try the Bike Specific thread on the DR. More specific info on the DR: ADVrider - View Single Post - DR650SE information index- what say ye? The last forum is a DR650 one, less useful and not very active but you can get good info: www.DRRiders.com Hope you're trip comes off as planned. Let me know if you have questions about the DR. My bike is lightly modified but has worked out well for travel. bier |
Steve,
Glad to hear you're considering a DR. Mollydog has a good point about buying a stock one (or travel prepped one) outside of Oz too. I guess that decision will be yours in the long Run. In the meantime, please check out our RTW trip from Last year at Round the World 2013 on motorbikes .....or better still, i have started listing the mods to my DR at MotoExped - Bike build .....i still have a long way to go with that bike build blog but i hope it helps you out a little mate. If you have any questions please PM me or email me from the Motoexped site and I will happily reply :) Kindest regards Nevil MotoExped - Home Round the World 2013 on motorbikes Nevil | Nevil Stow | Travel Blog |
Steve,
Also check out my buddy Gipper's site at Gippers Travels . He has a wealth of knowledge on DR's too. Hope this helps Nevil |
We are currently on tour in South America. For what it is worth, have a look at our bike prep list:
DR650 Modifications List - Trans-Continental Mambo We are running a little on the heavy side and would lighten things up in the future in terms of gear but our trip has mostly been a paved road trip. A few strong opinions: * signal lights: I haven't tried everything but my partners old DR came with DRC LED signals on the rear and they were terrible in terms visibility compared to amber stock. We switched them back to stock. Current bikes are stock but since we are running Pelican cases there is little chance of breaking them. I know about the Buell's but have not experience with them. * lots of people on DR forums push the tail light (DRZ) mod. Partner's old DR came with this mod. It sucked big time with duffel bag and Pelican cases (at least in our case) and a mod that I definitely avoided on our current builds - even using a brake modulator. Yes, the stocker is fragile I would rather figure out how to reinforce it than do the DRZ mod since it really detracts from visibility (or can, depending on setup). I believe that Tuckers to TDF (on ADV) also reported that they regretted this mod for safety reasons. If your setup isn't obscuring the tail light, maybe not a big issue. * Horn: I am a big believer in upgrading the horn. On my KLR I used a Stebel nautilus but it seems sensitive to altitude (or perhaps it was damaged). Never was 100% during Andean sections (South America trip #1) and sounded like a dying duck at times. It failed eventually (perhaps from not using a vent tube) and was replaced. Was having trouble fitting Stebel on DR so are using PIAA Sports horn. Not bad. Not as loud Stebel but much better than stock. We use our horns quite regularly in these parts ;) * LED aux lights: We have a decent set of LED auxiliary lights. We use these for the occasional night driving where situations permit, but also for daytime use *lots* for warning flashes, or just *on* like today, a national holiday, with parades of impatient drivers passing each other dangerously. Because of the LEDs, we haven't bothered with any expensive bulb replacements. I had an expensive PIAA headlamp and it died a quick death compared to simple, stock bulb. Not impressed. We have had no bulb failures to date on any bulb. Note that is some parts of the world, people just don't drive with the lights on, even motorcycles, even at night. It is just the culture. It may well be the case that if one was to "overdo" the stock lighting you might end up having people flashing you all of the time as they are politely trying to inform you "that you have your high beams on". Beyond this being annoying, it could add interference to this flashing of the lights communicating, such as speed traps, cows on the road, etc. Similarly, when I run my LEDs during the day, I get flashed constantly here is Latin America. In North America, I rarely get flashed. Food for thought, anyways. Also, I experimented with LED tail light replacement bulbs, and from the ones I tried, I wasn't impressed. I had both fitment and visibility issues compared to stock. I regularly run a heated jacket (90W) and heated grip elements, and sometimes with LED lights and really haven't had a lot of electrical capacity issues. We do have the upgraded stator. I was "worried" about capacity issues and consider converting everything to LED but, in practice, not really necessary. * Center stand. A controversial topic. I had toyed with the idea of using one of the "stilts" solutions for changing flats but I am glad that I went with a center stand. It is useful for flats, working on the bike, etc. We use them almost everyday for packing, and for parking the bike in tighter places (in fact, using the center stands as I write which made the hostal operators happier since it saves space) . IMHO, worth the weight, but other have different opinions. * Some sort of chain auto-oiler? Daily chain maintenance can be tedious. Using a spray can, especially w/o a center stand is going to get old very quickly. Also: * Handle bars: you list a preferred style. Perhaps you have already sorted out your preference. If so, good for you! I went through 4 or 5 bars before I found the "correct" one, which includes for and aft positioning with Rox-Risers. Bar ergonomics was probably the most finicky aspect of my setup. I am glad I spent the time as I can ride pretty much all day w/o discomfort. I don't think my partner got her setup "quite right" - it is close but she complains sometimes about a sore wrist, shoulders, etc. I say this as someone who has had repetitive injuries to my throttle wrist and was quite susceptible to pain. For example, when bought this DR a couple of summers ago and road it home for 2.5 hours, my wrist was *not* happy (neither was my butt) and probably hurt the next day still. Today we just finished a 6hr/500km ride and besides a bit of fatigue from wind blast (might choose a bigger windscreen next time), I could barely tell that I had been riding for a good chunk of the day. I tend to avoid 12 hour ride days nowadays ;) * foot peg lowering. I am about 6 feet tall. I am using the ProCycle foot peg lowering brackets. I don't know if I would have chosen to use a DR as a travel bike if I wasn't able to lower the foot pegs. This, of course, is absolutely personal opinion but something to consider if you are on the taller side. I lost the rubber vibration dampers due to this mod but never give it a second thought. * Montana GPS: I have this one. It is "OK" but not w/o issues. It reboots sporadically (way to often for me to be impressed), and zoom and some other functions are a PITA (!!!) as calibration is never quite right. I have my partner my refurbished Zumo 550 and am a bit envious of how well it functions compared to the finicky Montana. That said, the Montana has a lot of nice things about it. I would consider shelling out for a Toura-Tech mount. I have never used it but the damping effect and security features are a peace of mind. If you don't go this route, perhaps consider the locking RAM mount knob. Using this and the security torx security screw you have "decent" security in terms of "grab and go" scenarios. How many people carry around a security torx screw driver? You can probably safely run to the gas/petrol station bathroom without much fear. That said, I can suggest a useful mod to their powersports cradle. In my experience, the Montana was getting vibrated to its death on the DR with a RAM mount. It is conjecture, I suspect that I ran a fair risk of having the unit fail due to vibration. I couldn't go above about 100km an hour without having warnings about a loose battery, which I did cushion with some foam. What I eventually did was buy four rubber isolating mounts to screw between the RAM mounts and cradle. They work like a charm. They are little rubber cylinders with male/female fasteners. Similar to these. Looking at photos, they look to be the same as what the Touratech mount uses but the cost was about USD$10 for all - and took 5 minutes to install and I am *very* happy with the results and have vastly improved the vibrations. The GPS tends "flop" around a bit heavy corrugation with this mod, but I suspect that overall it is "healthier" than to have it "buzz to death" over the long run. * Spares: it depends where you are going and availability will, of course, change depending on location. Some things like bulbs and bearing can be found "everywhere". These are common items. Maybe consider bringing one of each for road-side failure, and replenish ASAP. Other things like parts for your brakes (rebuild kit), fork and damper/shock internals are harder to find. For example, we have Cogent Dynamics rebuilt shocks. We are carrying the internals for a full (or close to) rebuild. The labour can be found (even if a Skype call has to be made to the vendor for specifics) but parts are obscure. Luckily, the Progressive shock on my KLR (previous trip) began to leak once that bike was back in Canada instead of abroad as I had no parts and this would have been a real PITA to deal with. Feel free to add ask questions. 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You don't have to go nuts with this whole list - the essentials are suspension, seat, tank, protection.
1. ELECTRONICS 1. Trailtech Vapor Speedo - good bit of kit - id buy silver as black gets hot in sun and has crapped out until it cools MX1 Australia - Product Details 2. For above – need dash? - Don't bother, make your own MX1 Australia - Product Details 3. GPS / Mounting – Garmin Montana 650 4. 12v / auxiliary power – check shortwayround for info. Use BMW/ Powerlet plugs/sockets as they do not vibrate loose 5. Headlight – replace bulb? - Definitely upgrade bulb, GE Nighthawk H4 better H4 Kits - relay kit. 6. Spotlights – 10 watt LED DR650 Aux light mounts - ADVrider 7. flexible buell indicators – LED? 8. Battery – Shorai Li-Iron? - Nevil really likes these, I have a Yuasa Hi capacity and its been fine. 9. Grip heaters - Definitely! VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Grip Heaters 10. Stator - Nevil had some issues with his upgraded Procycle voltage regulator with the high output stator, CBR600 MOSFET V/R is the way to go, if you upgrade stator Suzuki DR650 Parts, Accessories, & Performance - ProCycle 2. MECHANICAL ETC 1. Carby – Stock? Breather vent tubes? Stock BST with Procycle jet kit, drill slide, 150 or 155 main jet with needle on 4th clip works well, fit extended fuel screw and fit Procycle breather filter. 2. Airbox? - Cut it and find a GSXR exhaust with Keintech mid pipe, buy a can you don't have to repack! 07 DR650 Kientech airbox mod ? - ADVrider 3. Oil filter – Scotts stainless reusable - good bit of kit, great for travelling light. 4. + In line fuel filter? -Yes 5. Braided brake lines – front only - worth doing to improve the DR's fairly weak brakes - the rear is not as important, but it does improve the bite. VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Brakes 6. Stator rewire??? 7. Rear suspension – Rebuild OEM shock - get someone to do it locally or if you can Nevil and myself (and lots of others) really love the Cogent rebuilds, fit it and forget it, no problems! 8. Front? Big job to swap forks. Req? Maybe just – Cogent DDC drop in valves and suitably heavier spring rates 9. Sprocket? Two x - carry a 14 and a 16 10. Auto chain oiler - Scottoiler hooked up to carb vacuum (for petcock) if its sandy I turn it off, on asphalt I turn it on, job done. Scottoiler 11. Remove chain roller - first thing a DR owner should do 12. Output shaft seal – retainer fitted - yes 13. Remove clutch and side stand safety switches - second and third things a DR owner should do 14. Chain – Swap ? - start with a new chain, don't bother carrying them in South America. 15. Magnetic sump plug - yes 16. Tool kit - Use good quality lightweight tools 17. Spares - don't weigh the bike down with too many, mount spare cables, fit new pads, carry spares, take spare spark plugs (iridium work well) 18. Wheel bearings - start with new bearings and carry spare 19. Cush drive bearing - same as 18 20. Change above to sealed? - don't have to but it will help 21. Rimlock - not needed unless you are doing some serious riding 3. BODY 1. Strip and weld gussets to subframe / luggage rack – Paint / Powdercoat? - if you have time and money you can, but not essential - strengthen the rear left grab handle/ luggage mount tab - it is weak 2. Safari Tank - 30L - Id probably go for the Acerbis 25 litre tank, the Safari is heavy and ruins the steering lock Suzuki DR650SE 30 litres | Safari Tanks - Safari Tanks Replace ally brace with steel - worth doing, but ive had no problems with the ally one so far 3. Bark Busters - yes 4. Bars – Pro Taper CR High Rise - yes 5. Remove Speedometer - yes, if you fit Vapor 6. Build new plate for dash? - yes homemade as per 2 7. Side stand – weld wider plate - yes, helpful on soft surfaces 8. Bash plate – B&B - yes, best one out there B&B Off-Road - Suzuki DR650 Bashplate 9. Windscreen – screensforbikes - they get good reviews Suzuki DR 650 96-14 � Screens For Bikes 10. Custom seat – Sargent - or Corbin, both good Sargent World Sport Adventure Touring Seat Suzuki DR650 1996-2009,2011-2013 - RevZilla 11. Engine case armour? - yes Suzuki DR650 Parts, Accessories, & Performance - ProCycle 12. Replace rear wheel? 18inch? - 17 inch tyres easier to find DR350 interchangeability wheel question. : General DR650 Discussion 13. Change out rim tape – check shortwayround 4. LUGGAGE 1. Top - Pelican 1600 - 1500 works well Pelican 1500 with Foam Black Need to work out size 2. Run power to pelican? - handy to have 3. Luggage plate for top box? B&B Off-Road - DR650/DRZ400 Luggage Plate Wolfman Suzuki DR 650 Top Rack 4. Tank Panniers – Aerostitch work well with larger gas tanks 5. Rack to mount above 6. Tankbag – Waterproof / Backpack conversion - Giant Loop Fandango works well on DR 5. CLOTHING 1. 3 Synthetic T-shirts 2. 2 Light Trousers 3. 3 Pairs Socks 4. 2 Long Sleeve Shirts 5. 3 Underwear Shorts 6. 2 Casual Shorts 7. 1 Pair of 4 Season Socks 8. 1 Water-proof Jacket 9. 1 Sandals (Teva) 10. 1 Thongs 11. 1 Runners / Hiking boots 6. RIDING GEAR 7. CAMPING 8. PERSONAL 1. Cameras, lots of cameras. 9. What the? 1. Swingarm water tank? - Not tried this, I use an MSR Dromedery 4 litre bag 2. Passenger setup! - An Air Hawk cushion will give your passenger some more room 3. Hidden storage – key / money etc. Wolfman luggage is well made. Also consider a centre stand for ease of work on bike and I like the Superbrace fork brace. Turn the Carb fuel inlet 90 degrees to the left with a larger tank to make sure it drains the tank to empty and prevents vapour locks Its worth fitting a separate fuse box for all the electrical add ons, switched through a relay with ignition so it cant flatten battery Forget synthetic clothes, use Merino wool, it doesn't stink like synthetic clothing in the heat and it wears well. Take a pair of closed toe sandals that you can hike in, don't take too much footwear. Clothing wise I pack: 1 x HUBB T Shirt ;) 2 x Icebreaker Merino T Shirts 1 x Icebreaker " long sleeve top 1 x Icebreaker " long johns 3 x Merino underwear ( SAXX are great) 3 x Socks 1 x zip off trousers 1 x swim shorts Goretex Paclite jacket and trousers (that fit over riding gear) Lightweight down jacket Keen sandals with closed toe (yes I wear socks and sandals when its cold, it doesn't look so bad with a closed toe) Toque/beanie Ball cap Buff Carry less weight and enjoy the ride more! |
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Perhaps the wrong bike? For mostly pavement ride maybe a roomier Vstrom 650, Tiger 800 or another more comfortable street bike? The DR's not a great big man bike, is really best with a light load. Are you riding Two Up? Or on 2 DR's? Quote:
Oversized rack/bags and too many add-ons may cover the DRZ tail light. :nono: Also ... do you ride so much at night to be so concerned with turn signal lights and such? Pretty much a Cardinal rule: Don't ride at night. Be safe out there! I have Buell signals up front, stock in rear. Ok for me. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v...0/P1030261.JPG Full load, tail light well exposed. I don't hang a ton of Crap off the back of my bike. Neatness counts, taillight quite visible at night, and with Jacket, pannier an helmet illumination ... not too bad. Quote:
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I learned that 15 years ago. Also ... they don't FIT easily on the DR and can break off (off road) if they don't fail first. Also need a BIG dose of voltage to work 100% ... not the DR's strong suit. A quality Disc horn is fine. Honk less, drive aware. Quote:
Running blinding Aux lights in daytime is inviting a head on collision. Target Fixation. In the USA/Canada drivers are used to daytime headlight-on vehicles. Not so much in Latin America. Bright lights can fixate drivers, especially drunks (plenty on the weekends) ... they'll head straight at you. Use caution. Quote:
Before I went to my HID system I ran my battery dead several times running Grips on HIGH (30W) and my Gerbing (77W) at 100%. Daytime I kill headlight when running Gerbing and grips. Doing this I can run 12 hours, no problems. At night I have to run grips on LO, Gerbing at 75%. I have stock stator. Too many failed after market stator stories. Hope yours holds up. :thumbup1: Quote:
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I don't mind cleaning and oiling my chain daily. It gives me a chance to look things over "down there", you know, the place BMW guys NEVER go to! :rofl: I've found so many little issues from just cleaning my chain. You see your tires, chain, sprockets, spokes, wheel, various nuts & bolts, wires ... all kinds of things get a quick check. Sure, it's tedious ... But I'm at 55,000 miles (88K kms) and never once had a breakdown other than running out of fuel or a flat. bier On the road, your bike is your life line. So a certain amount of time needs to be devoted to it. Many don't do this ... I'm no Safety Nazi or maintenance nut, and sometimes I'll skip a day. But if I have the energy I'll spend 10 minutes on the bike. That's all it ever takes, most times, after all, it's a DR650! :Beach: Quote:
:rofl: But riding position ergos are important. I guess I got lucky ... but then I knew what I needed before I ever took the stock bars off. I also retain the rubber dampers ... I hope you did too. (Pro Taper, CR HIGH, 1" riser) Quote:
Riding long days needs working up to. You can't start out riding 12 hour days, but can get there the more you ride. If boring, long stretches, I typically do 10 hours days ... but I'm used to doing these distances. Quote:
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It's not a Progressive shock. BTW, shock techs basically DO NOT exist in most of Latin America ... some may tell you they can rebuild your shock ... but most haven't a clue ... but in the big cities they are getting there, slowly. I would bring spare rear brake pads ... but not front pads. Front pads, especially on long tour, a new set will last over 15K+ miles. Rear pads can wear quickly, especially mud riding. If calipers are serviced correctly and fluid bled every six months NOTHING on those calipers will fail. I've sets from '96 still working perfectly. Note the name on them: Nissin. Proper servicing is all they need on a 20K mile ride. No parts need be carried other than rear pads. Start with NEW front pads ... should do 20K on tour unless you brake really hard .. or drag the brakes. bier |
Great post Grif ... I agree 100% with just about everything.
Just a new notes and ideas: ==I'm not a fan of BMW sockets. Prefer plain old universal SAE plugs or coaxial plugs. Can be adapted to any format. ==Headlight? I'm sold on my HID kit. $30, super bright, 3 years on mine. I carry a complete spare system (bulb, ignitor, ballast ... packs small) I have 35W HID, less draw than stock 55W, NO heat. Every Watt helps! Super bright ... 3 times brighter than stock ... very few drivers flash me. ==I would try the Shorai (or similiar Li-Iron) but if it fails, no big deal, go back to standard MF sealed Battery. :thumbup1: If it works it's a PLUS PLUS as it's smaller and lighter than standard battery. ==Scott re-usable oil filter? What's the long term consensus? Anyone done oil analysis after four or five oil changes and 20K miles? Honestly, not sure I trust them ... but Man, sure can't beat the convenience. Prove to me they actually filter as good as a paper filter! bier ==Great advice on suspension Grif! Plus ONE!!! ==As some know, I'm a CHAIN and Sprocket NUT case. Definitely start with a brand new chain ... go with the BEST DID X ring chain you can buy. Probably good for 20K miles if you treat it right. For 15T sprocket, I like Suzuki OEM. JT are OK ... bring 3 spare front sprockets, different sizes as Grif said. :thumbup1: The rear sprocket should last "about" 17K to 20K miles if you're lucky. Carrying a spare rear is a PITA ... but a spare would be TOUGH to find on the road. You decide. Thing is, if you change out the front sprockets every 8K miles or so ... then not only will your chain last much longer ... but so will your rear sprocket. (with good maintenance) Lots of rain and MUD riding can change all above numbers ... do the best you can! ==Spares. Grif covers it very well. The key is to start with NEW stuff. Can't recommend ALL BALLS bearings. Cheap Chinese bearings. Use a brand name like Koyo or stock. Also, as Grif says, start with new Cush Drive rubber cushions and anything else with miles on. I have carried a set of OEM fork seals for the last 30,000 miles, never needed. YMMV. Hard to predict what will wear out and fail. Luckily, if you don't thrash your DR650 ... probably nothing will. ==I don't think you need to carry spare cables if your cables are NEW to start ... or in perfect condition. Just my opinion. The original cables on our old '96 ... are still good. (throttle, clutch) The clutch is the main one to watch. My '06 with 55K miles ... cables still perfect. ==I agree with Grif, more 17" tires available than 18", and more brand choice too. Stay with stock 17". Don't get too clever listening to all the advice on the forums. Listen to guys who've ridden a DR to where you're going ... and got back! == Lastly, I would think carefully about luggage. I hate solid mounted top boxes if riding off road. Same with hard panniers. If you use soft panniers, use lightweight racks, don't over load the bike with crap hanging off everywhere. MINIMIZE. Many take TONS of camping gear ... end up hardly ever using it. I don't camp in Latin America. Too many cheap hotels ... and camping can be isolating. Nor do I cook on the road. I might make Tea or Coffee, that's about it. Each his own ... but I read reports everyday where the bike is overloaded with very seldom used camping gear. Best and only really good camping is in Southern Chile and Argentina. Mexico and Cent. America are mostly NOT GOOD for camping. YMMV. Good luck on the prep! bier |
I have a BMW socket on my home made dash, a USB socket on the bars, SAE that goes to top box for charging and coaxial socket for Lisa's heated clothing.The BMW socket/plugs aren't as good as SAE, but its good to have a few different options.
With the Scotts I don't think it filters quite as well as a paper filter, but it sure lets the oil flow much easier and combined with a magnetic sump plug I think its OK for overlanding, I use paper filters normally and between both of them id say there is marginally more particles on mag sump plug with the Scotts, the key is to do short service intervals, I try to change oil every 3-5,000 kms if I'm travelling, oil is cheap compared to an engine rebuild. Chain wise, as Mollydog says, buy the best quality DID X ring chain you can, I forgot to mention with your spares to pack a few split links, I use rivet type and carry a Terra X chain tool which can drive out a pin, clamp on the plate, drive in a new pin and peen the rivet and its very small, great bit of kit. If your chain set is coming to the end of its life, plan ahead and order one to be ready when you get somewhere, In the USA I couldn't get one for 2 weeks and finished our trip on a completely shot chain. Not many people carry them on shelves any more, Colombia would be the easiest place to find one as the cops ride DR650's. Mollydog, with your HID kit, is the beam pattern still the same ? That is my main issue with the stock headlight, the beam pattern sucks, on high beam it does not illuminate the ditches to the side and low beam just doesn't do much, I try very hard not to ride at night when overseas, but sometimes you do have to. IMO I like the independence that having camping gear gives me, I can set up by the side of the road and not have to worry about having to make it to the next overpriced hotel/guesthouse (after you've been through Chile you'll know what I'm talking about). I'm not a huge fan of cities, to me they serve a purpose to see the sights, get a feel for the locals culture, buy consumables for the bike and sort out administration, then I'm happier out in the countryside and in smaller towns, but that's just me, I don't even like going to London when Im in the UK! A compromise for Central America would be to carry a hammock and a mosquito net, quite comfy once you get the hang of sleeping in them, but totally useless when you get to Patagonia ;) |
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Mexican "Matrimonio" hammock. bier |
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Hi Steve. We are sitting here in Buenos Aires waiting to ship two DR650s back to North America. Are hanging out with one dude who is from Sydney and got into talking. From the looks of things with Vince Strang, did you know that that Aussie made items such as Pivot Pegz and the DR 650 Safari tank, and probably Bark Busters, are *cheaper* to buy in the US than Aussie! We might be missing something here, but you might want to shop around a bit :)
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Conspicuity is important for sure! Tuckers: As you say "... on a mission". Sounded to me like they suffered mightily the whole trip and just wanted to get it done, get all the passport stamps and get back to Orange County and their swimming pool. :innocent: I stopped following them early on once I saw their travel style. Good comments on Horns. YES, at times you need them .. and in certain cultures they are essential! It's just tough to mount a big one on the DR, a couple have failed after a year or two or rough going off road ... actually in the last 5 years I've lost 3 horns ... GONE ...doh never noticed them fall off. GONE. Back to high quality Disc horns. Quote:
I hate HOT, high amp "Super Bulbs". Your 3 prong plug will melt. I've not burnt a bulb in 55K miles. (tail light or signal either .. just one speedo light) Yes, in Thailand oncoming traffic coming at you .. expect you to move over and ride along the 2 ft. wide pedestrian path ... or in the Paddy! Unbelievable .. but just standard practice there. Quote:
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[QUOTE=mollydog;470755]Great post Grif ... I agree 100% with just about everything.
Just a new notes and ideas: ==I'm not a fan of BMW sockets. Prefer plain old universal SAE plugs or coaxial plugs. Can be adapted to any format. For me, this is a tricky call. The "Cigar/Cigarette" sockets are the ones that Powerlet are trying to explain to us as being unreliable and big. Probably true. I have seen a bunch of people use those USB cylinders that take one or connections that just drop into a cig socket. Available and cheap. You get to charge one or two phones off of a single dropin cartridge for something like USD$6. How much does it cost of a Powerlet cable for your phone, and then Ipod, and then something else. They are expensive! $25+ depending on where you live. For 1/10 of that you can buy one or more of those cables, and a couple more bucks buys you a double USB to Cigar socket adapter. Now, if you haven't decided to (over-) do Powerlet sockets, it is a direct connections. Or you can drag around a Powerlet-to-Cigar dongles (yes, I have had failures and had to fix the dongle so I could use the pump!). Don't buy into the hype! One Powerlet might be useful, but count that actually use cases. Each tine you add an adaptor you increase the possibility of failure. ==Headlight? I'm sold on my HID kit. $30, super bright, 3 years on mine. I carry a complete spare system (bulb, ignitor, ballast ... packs small) I have 35W HID, less draw than stock 55W, NO heat. Every Watt helps! Super bright ... 3 times brighter than stock ... very few drivers flash me. Interested, will watch. ==I would try the Shorai (or similiar Li-Iron) but if it fails, no big deal, go back to standard MF sealed Battery. :thumbup1: If it works it's a PLUS PLUS as it's smaller and lighter than standard battery. Cold weather performance is advertised. Takes a bit. After one accidental discharge, and cold start, didn't feel like a miracle battery. Ran it in DR650 and DRZ400. Would I use it again (locally)? Yes. At time of departure, for long trip, did not feel tested enough. ==Scott re-usable oil filter? What's the long term consensus? Anyone done oil analysis after four or five oil changes and 20K miles? Honestly, not sure I trust them ... but Man, sure can't beat the convenience. Prove to me they actually filter as good as a paper filter! bier This is a tricky one. If we were to carry paper filters and change each time we would be at around 16 paper filters between the two of us. We like to start changing oil at 3000km and max at 4000km. ==Great advice on suspension Grif! Plus ONE!!! ==As some know, I'm a CHAIN and Sprocket NUT case. Definitely start with a brand new chain ... go with the BEST DID X ring chain you can buy. Probably good for 20K miles if you treat it right. Pretty sure that your advice had directly led to our chain and sprockets choice. For 15T sprocket, I like Suzuki OEM. JT are OK ... bring 3 spare front sprockets, different sizes as Grif said. :thumbup1: The rear sprocket should last "about" 17K to 20K miles if you're lucky. Carrying a spare rear is a PITA ... but a spare would be TOUGH to find on the road. You decide. Thing is, if you change out the front sprockets every 8K miles or so ... then not only will your chain last much longer ... but so will your rear sprocket. (with good maintenance) Lots of rain and MUD riding can change all above numbers ... do the best you can! I concur with the multiple front sprockets. It makes sense. Any time we are riding in mountainous areas, or off-road tracts, we like to switch to 14 tooth. We did not bring 16 tooth sprockets. We never really found 15 tooth sprockets insufficient, but wouldn't exclude 16 for the next time. With regards to 14t sprockets, why not add an extra one. By definition, they are going to work harder than stock. They also wear more than stock by definition, and are harder to find than stock. ==Spares. Grif covers it very well. The key is to start with NEW stuff. Can't recommend ALL BALLS bearings. Cheap Chinese bearings. Use a brand name like Koyo or stock. Also, as Grif says, start with new Cush Drive rubber cushions and anything else with miles on. I have carried a set of OEM fork seals for the last 30,000 miles, never needed. YMMV. Hard to predict what will wear out and fail. Luckily, if you don't thrash your DR650 ... probably nothing will. Guys, it depends on your range. I haven't done a "RTW". I suspect that if I was riding down to South America, I would choose to do some replacements before starting the next hop (either side of the hop)., say Africa. You can get most things sent anywhere. Hell, I have seen more stores in Latin America carrying SPF bearings than back in Canada. Bearings are commonplace items. ==I don't think you need to carry spare cables if your cables are NEW to start ... or in perfect condition. Just my opinion. The original cables on our old '96 ... are still good. (throttle, clutch) The clutch is the main one to watch. My '06 with 55K miles ... cables still perfect. YMMV. I chose to buy some Motion Pro clutch cables in 2010. One clutch cable broke pre-trip (under a week prior). I assumed it was random. The second clutch cable popped in Colombia *exactly* where my new friends did not want me to stop due to FARC activity - I passed just after federal elections. The cable was prerouted and took about 15 minutes to swap out - back to original! (Would not be the case if it was not pre-routed). I believe that these cables where faulty. Vendor nor manufacturer had much to say. I brought it up with the vendor but nothing much came of it. I did not chase them either That said, I will buy MP tools, but not parts that I stick to my bike. I might still have the cable head in which the solder let go revealing a hole all the way through the cable head. Anyway, what is the reason for not prerouting a clutch and pull cable through frame? Easy insurance, no? Keep in mind that you waiting for a truck, without. ==I agree with Grif, more 17" tires available than 18", and more brand choice too. Stay with stock 17". Don't get too clever listening to all the advice on the forums. Listen to guys who've ridden a DR to where you're going ... and got back! Agreed. Don't believe the hype. Most 18 inchers will be too narrow. You are back at square one. == Lastly, I would think carefully about luggage. I hate solid mounted top boxes if riding off road. Same with hard panniers. If you use soft panniers, use lightweight racks, don't over load the bike with crap hanging off everywhere. MINIMIZE. OK. So above poster does not recommend hard luggage. Fair enough. To each his own. There is sense here. You have suggested that you would like to do an RTW with a lot of off-road. You probably have a computer and a camera, and probably want to hang on to them. What makes you feel comfortable? Where does this stuff go when you take a piss? When you go eat lunch? When leave your bike unattended as you sign into a hotel? Many take TONS of camping gear ... end up hardly ever using it. I don't camp in Latin America. Too many cheap hotels ... and camping can be isolating. Nor do I cook on the road. I might make Tea or Coffee, that's about it. Each his own ... but I read reports everyday where the bike is overloaded with very seldom used camping gear. Don't overdue camping gear. I also consider basic camping gear part of my "I got sick and have to boondock on the side of the road gear". "Latin America" is a diverse place. To make any statement about cost associations universally would be incorrect, and "cheap" is relative. Per person per night? USD$7, $USD10, $USD15, $USD30. I personally have got stuck with paying +USD$100 in the past having to find a place that would take a bike overnight having excluded what I saw as my other options. Now we are travelling two for much longer period. IMHO, the choice to camp is mostly personal opinion. For example, "back home" if you just hate camping, why start now? That said, for us Boy Scouts and Girl Guides, we learned to camp from an young age. If you are doing a whirlwind tour, probably not bother. If you are heading to the "more expensive" SA countries (Argentina, Chile, Brasil), you might find that these countries are beyond your travel budget. For motorcycles, if you follow the RV, car and truck people, you will probably be able to camp. Look up the camping section at Life Remotely and similar sites. We stayed at a whole bunch of the places they (LR) recommended in our tent and were generally pretty happy about it. For us, we prefer to camp when we are staying more than one night somewhere. We stayed at many places for 3-4 nights in our tent for what it would have cost for one night in a room. We started to camp in Mexico on the Baja, camped mostly on Mexico, Guatemala, Panama, Colombia and Bolivia. If we were travelling in "their" summer, we would be camping more further south. Best and only really good camping is in Southern Chile and Argentina. Mexico and Cent. America are mostly NOT GOOD for camping. YMMV. Good luck on the prep! We haven't camped in Southern Chile or Argentina (bit cold right now, and planning for home). We have great memories of most of our camping locations starting in Mexico. Sometimes you can find yourself staying for close to a week at the same price as one night in a room. If you decide to camp, and cook a lot, you can always do this in "waves". By this, I mean that if you decide to bring the most simple pot and stove (suitable - you do you fuel for this - your gas tank, hint hint), you can always buy a bigger pot or frying pan when you know that you are going to use it for a while, and toss it later. We like to have options. We have arbitrary landed ourselves in "gringo" areas in costal Mexico with "back home" rates for hotels (+$100-250) and food (+USD$20 - yikes!). Or USD$7 for a tent spot, ahh. ***A tent is not for everyone*** What a tent can provide: * Cheaper accommodations * less tarantulas than the place next door * 100% mosquito-free compared the expensive bamboo cabañas * 100% less scorpions * 73% less venomous snake bites * 110% more stars than other dwellings * 33% percent more air than similar tropical dwellings * 0% chance of less rain. * 85% chance of better pricavy bier[/QUOTE ] |
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