DR650 - Opinions wanted on RTW list
 

Hello there Ladies and Gents,

Steve from Australia here. LONG time lurker on the forums here. I’ll hopefully be around here for quite some time, as come December I’ll be shipping a DR650 to South America and starting a rtw trip of approximately two years!

Aims:
The Bike – Lightweight & Reliability, will hopefully be able to handle any trail / offroad section.
The trick? I’m trying to configure my luggage setup to allow for a passenger (on paved roads) for periods of up to a week or two.

The Trip – Exploration of all those places I’ve seen on the many blogs here, focusing on meeting people from all walks of life, all cultures, and hopefully I’ll get to use my TEFL qualification to teach English on the odd occasion. No time limit bar the weather, following the sun.



Right now I’m still at the planning stage, hopefully I’ll be picking up a decent DR650 in the next 4 weeks and preparation can begin in earnest with a gluttonous wave of online ordering my credit card will absolutely love.

I’ve put together a list (wishlist maybe) and would really appreciate any info from the experienced crew on here. I’ve put up a mirrored post on advriders/horizonsunlimited.

This list is mainly about the bike and equipment, still to come is a list regarding visas / border crossings / events or POI’s / website, blogging and general route planning.

I’d really appreciate any comments on any of the listed items below, early stages still so many changes are bound to occur. (yes, it’s obviously unfinished regarding riding gear / camping)

Thanks all,

Steve

and here it is...

1. ELECTRONICS
1. Trailtech Vapor Speedo
MX1 Australia - Product Details
2. For above – need dash?
MX1 Australia - Product Details
3. GPS / Mounting – Gamin Montana 650
4. 12v / auxiliary power – check shortwayround for info.
5. Headlight – replace bulb?
H4 Kits - relay kit.
6. Spotlights – 10 watt LED
DR650 Aux light mounts - ADVrider
7. flexible buell indicators – LED?
8. Battery – Shorai Li-Iron?
9. Grip heaters
VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Grip Heaters
10. Stator
Suzuki DR650 Parts, Accessories, & Performance - ProCycle


2. MECHANICAL ETC

1. Carby – Stock? Breather vent tubes?
2. Airbox?
07 DR650 Kientech airbox mod ? - ADVrider
3. Oil filter – Scotts stainless reusable
4. + In line fuel filter?
5. Braided brake lines – front only
VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Brakes
6. Stator rewire???
7. Rear suspension – Rebuild OEM shock
8. Front? Big job to swap forks. Req? Maybe just –
9. Sprocket? Two x
10. Auto chain oiler
Scottoiler
11. Remove chain roller
12. Output shaft seal – retainer fitted
13. Remove clutch and side stand safety switches
14. Chain – Swap ?
15. Magnetic sump plug
16. Tool kit
17. Spares
18. Wheel bearings
19. Cush drive bearing
20. Change above to sealed?
21. Rimlock

3. BODY
1. Strip and weld gussets to subframe / luggage rack – Paint / Powdercoat?
2. Safari Tank - 30L
Suzuki DR650SE 30 litres | Safari Tanks - Safari Tanks
Replace ally brace with steel
3. Bark Busters
4. Bars – Pro Taper CR High Rise
5. Remove Speedometer
6. Build new plate for dash?
7. Side stand – weld wider plate
8. Bash plate – B&B
B&B Off-Road - Suzuki DR650 Bashplate
9. Windscreen – screensforbikes
Suzuki DR 650 96-14 � Screens For Bikes
10. Custom seat – Sargent
Sargent World Sport Adventure Touring Seat Suzuki DR650 1996-2009,2011-2013 - RevZilla
11. Engine case armour?
Suzuki DR650 Parts, Accessories, & Performance - ProCycle
12. Replace rear wheel? 18inch?
DR350 interchangeability wheel question. : General DR650 Discussion
13. Change out rim tape – check shortwayround

4. LUGGAGE
1. Top - Pelican 1600
Pelican 1500 with Foam Black
Need to work out size
2. Run power to pelican?
3. Luggage plate for top box?
B&B Off-Road - DR650/DRZ400 Luggage Plate
Wolfman Suzuki DR 650 Top Rack
4. Tank Panniers – Soft
5. Rack to mount above
6. Tankbag – Waterproof / Backpack conversion

5. CLOTHING
1. 3 Synthetic T-shirts
2. 2 Light Trousers
3. 3 Pairs Socks
4. 2 Long Sleeve Shirts
5. 3 Underwear Shorts
6. 2 Casual Shorts
7. 1 Pair of 4 Season Socks
8. 1 Water-proof Jacket
9. 1 Sandals (Teva)
10. 1 Thongs
11. 1 Runners / Hiking boots


6. RIDING GEAR

7. CAMPING

8. PERSONAL
1. Cameras, lots of cameras.

9. What the?
1. Swingarm water tank?
2. Passenger setup!
3. Hidden storage – key / money etc.


Links
Parts + Accessories + Performance = ProCycle
VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Shop

Sounds like a good plan ... and a very comprehensive list of mods. Some I would do, some I would skip. My DR is at 55,000 miles (88K kms), done 6 Mexico rides (Cent. Am. and Baja). Also ridden Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Oregon, Idaho and all over California. It's a 2006, still doing well.

There is SO MUCH information about the bike ... bit overwhelming. Learn what you can, set her up best you can ... most of all ... Have Fun! bier

I'm sure you've thought of costs ...one big expense will be shipping your bike from Oz to S. America. Maybe $2k ? when all said and done? :helpsmilie:

Seems like you prefer to do full prep on your bike while you're still at home? fair enough. But you could buy a new-ish, low mileage DR650 used in the USA for around $3K to $4K usd and save on the shipping. Just ride South from USA.

Many used DR's here will already have MANY of the items you list. If you can find a place to hang out for a couple weeks (free?) ...
you could probably do some of the up grades and add ons to the bike you buy. ProCycle and others would have everything you might need and shipping is 2 days away. So ... just an idea. Plenty of lightly used DR's here for reasonable prices. :thumbup1:

To learn everything about the DR650 and the many mods out there ... go to the BIG ADV Rider thread:
the DR650 thread - ADVrider
A huge thread. But go on, ASK if you need to find something or need a tutorial or just need advice. LOTS of good DR guys there, including a few Aussies and Kiwis who really know their stuff and know the DR well! :thumbup1:

Also try the Bike Specific thread on the DR. More specific info on the DR:
ADVrider - View Single Post - DR650SE information index- what say ye?

The last forum is a DR650 one, less useful and not very active but you can get good info:
www.DRRiders.com

Hope you're trip comes off as planned. Let me know if you have questions about the DR. My bike is lightly modified but has worked out well for travel.

bier

Steve,

Glad to hear you're considering a DR. Mollydog has a good point about buying a stock one (or travel prepped one) outside of Oz too.
I guess that decision will be yours in the long Run.
In the meantime, please check out our RTW trip from Last year at Round the World 2013 on motorbikes .....or better still, i have started listing the mods to my DR at MotoExped - Bike build .....i still have a long way to go with that bike build blog but i hope it helps you out a little mate.
If you have any questions please PM me or email me from the Motoexped site and I will happily reply :)

Kindest regards

Nevil
MotoExped - Home
Round the World 2013 on motorbikes
Nevil | Nevil Stow | Travel Blog

Steve,

Also check out my buddy Gipper's site at Gippers Travels .
He has a wealth of knowledge on DR's too.

Hope this helps

Nevil

We are currently on tour in South America. For what it is worth, have a look at our bike prep list:

DR650 Modifications List - Trans-Continental Mambo

We are running a little on the heavy side and would lighten things up in the future in terms of gear but our trip has mostly been a paved road trip. A few strong opinions:

* signal lights: I haven't tried everything but my partners old DR came with DRC LED signals on the rear and they were terrible in terms visibility compared to amber stock. We switched them back to stock. Current bikes are stock but since we are running Pelican cases there is little chance of breaking them. I know about the Buell's but have not experience with them.

* lots of people on DR forums push the tail light (DRZ) mod. Partner's old DR came with this mod. It sucked big time with duffel bag and Pelican cases (at least in our case) and a mod that I definitely avoided on our current builds - even using a brake modulator. Yes, the stocker is fragile I would rather figure out how to reinforce it than do the DRZ mod since it really detracts from visibility (or can, depending on setup). I believe that Tuckers to TDF (on ADV) also reported that they regretted this mod for safety reasons. If your setup isn't obscuring the tail light, maybe not a big issue.

* Horn: I am a big believer in upgrading the horn. On my KLR I used a Stebel nautilus but it seems sensitive to altitude (or perhaps it was damaged). Never was 100% during Andean sections (South America trip #1) and sounded like a dying duck at times. It failed eventually (perhaps from not using a vent tube) and was replaced. Was having trouble fitting Stebel on DR so are using PIAA Sports horn. Not bad. Not as loud Stebel but much better than stock. We use our horns quite regularly in these parts ;)

* LED aux lights: We have a decent set of LED auxiliary lights. We use these for the occasional night driving where situations permit, but also for daytime use *lots* for warning flashes, or just *on* like today, a national holiday, with parades of impatient drivers passing each other dangerously. Because of the LEDs, we haven't bothered with any expensive bulb replacements. I had an expensive PIAA headlamp and it died a quick death compared to simple, stock bulb. Not impressed. We have had no bulb failures to date on any bulb.

Note that is some parts of the world, people just don't drive with the lights on, even motorcycles, even at night. It is just the culture. It may well be the case that if one was to "overdo" the stock lighting you might end up having people flashing you all of the time as they are politely trying to inform you "that you have your high beams on". Beyond this being annoying, it could add interference to this flashing of the lights communicating, such as speed traps, cows on the road, etc. Similarly, when I run my LEDs during the day, I get flashed constantly here is Latin America. In North America, I rarely get flashed. Food for thought, anyways.

Also, I experimented with LED tail light replacement bulbs, and from the ones I tried, I wasn't impressed. I had both fitment and visibility issues compared to stock.

I regularly run a heated jacket (90W) and heated grip elements, and sometimes with LED lights and really haven't had a lot of electrical capacity issues. We do have the upgraded stator. I was "worried" about capacity issues and consider converting everything to LED but, in practice, not really necessary.

* Center stand. A controversial topic. I had toyed with the idea of using one of the "stilts" solutions for changing flats but I am glad that I went with a center stand. It is useful for flats, working on the bike, etc. We use them almost everyday for packing, and for parking the bike in tighter places (in fact, using the center stands as I write which made the hostal operators happier since it saves space) . IMHO, worth the weight, but other have different opinions.

* Some sort of chain auto-oiler? Daily chain maintenance can be tedious. Using a spray can, especially w/o a center stand is going to get old very quickly.

Also:

* Handle bars: you list a preferred style. Perhaps you have already sorted out your preference. If so, good for you! I went through 4 or 5 bars before I found the "correct" one, which includes for and aft positioning with Rox-Risers. Bar ergonomics was probably the most finicky aspect of my setup. I am glad I spent the time as I can ride pretty much all day w/o discomfort. I don't think my partner got her setup "quite right" - it is close but she complains sometimes about a sore wrist, shoulders, etc. I say this as someone who has had repetitive injuries to my throttle wrist and was quite susceptible to pain. For example, when bought this DR a couple of summers ago and road it home for 2.5 hours, my wrist was *not* happy (neither was my butt) and probably hurt the next day still. Today we just finished a 6hr/500km ride and besides a bit of fatigue from wind blast (might choose a bigger windscreen next time), I could barely tell that I had been riding for a good chunk of the day. I tend to avoid 12 hour ride days nowadays ;)

* foot peg lowering. I am about 6 feet tall. I am using the ProCycle foot peg lowering brackets. I don't know if I would have chosen to use a DR as a travel bike if I wasn't able to lower the foot pegs. This, of course, is absolutely personal opinion but something to consider if you are on the taller side. I lost the rubber vibration dampers due to this mod but never give it a second thought.

* Montana GPS: I have this one. It is "OK" but not w/o issues. It reboots sporadically (way to often for me to be impressed), and zoom and some other functions are a PITA (!!!) as calibration is never quite right. I have my partner my refurbished Zumo 550 and am a bit envious of how well it functions compared to the finicky Montana. That said, the Montana has a lot of nice things about it. I would consider shelling out for a Toura-Tech mount. I have never used it but the damping effect and security features are a peace of mind. If you don't go this route, perhaps consider the locking RAM mount knob. Using this and the security torx security screw you have "decent" security in terms of "grab and go" scenarios. How many people carry around a security torx screw driver? You can probably safely run to the gas/petrol station bathroom without much fear.

That said, I can suggest a useful mod to their powersports cradle. In my experience, the Montana was getting vibrated to its death on the DR with a RAM mount. It is conjecture, I suspect that I ran a fair risk of having the unit fail due to vibration. I couldn't go above about 100km an hour without having warnings about a loose battery, which I did cushion with some foam. What I eventually did was buy four rubber isolating mounts to screw between the RAM mounts and cradle. They work like a charm. They are little rubber cylinders with male/female fasteners. Similar to these. Looking at photos, they look to be the same as what the Touratech mount uses but the cost was about USD$10 for all - and took 5 minutes to install and I am *very* happy with the results and have vastly improved the vibrations. The GPS tends "flop" around a bit heavy corrugation with this mod, but I suspect that overall it is "healthier" than to have it "buzz to death" over the long run.

* Spares: it depends where you are going and availability will, of course, change depending on location. Some things like bulbs and bearing can be found "everywhere". These are common items. Maybe consider bringing one of each for road-side failure, and replenish ASAP. Other things like parts for your brakes (rebuild kit), fork and damper/shock internals are harder to find. For example, we have Cogent Dynamics rebuilt shocks. We are carrying the internals for a full (or close to) rebuild. The labour can be found (even if a Skype call has to be made to the vendor for specifics) but parts are obscure. Luckily, the Progressive shock on my KLR (previous trip) began to leak once that bike was back in Canada instead of abroad as I had no parts and this would have been a real PITA to deal with.

Feel free to add ask questions.

That's my CDN$0.02.

You don't have to go nuts with this whole list - the essentials are suspension, seat, tank, protection.


1. ELECTRONICS
1. Trailtech Vapor Speedo - good bit of kit - id buy silver as black gets hot in sun and has crapped out until it cools
MX1 Australia - Product Details
2. For above – need dash? - Don't bother, make your own
MX1 Australia - Product Details
3. GPS / Mounting – Garmin Montana 650
4. 12v / auxiliary power – check shortwayround for info. Use BMW/ Powerlet plugs/sockets as they do not vibrate loose
5. Headlight – replace bulb? - Definitely upgrade bulb, GE Nighthawk H4 better
H4 Kits - relay kit.
6. Spotlights – 10 watt LED
DR650 Aux light mounts - ADVrider
7. flexible buell indicators – LED?
8. Battery – Shorai Li-Iron? - Nevil really likes these, I have a Yuasa Hi capacity and its been fine.
9. Grip heaters - Definitely!
VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Grip Heaters
10. Stator - Nevil had some issues with his upgraded Procycle voltage regulator with the high output stator, CBR600 MOSFET V/R is the way to go, if you upgrade stator
Suzuki DR650 Parts, Accessories, & Performance - ProCycle


2. MECHANICAL ETC

1. Carby – Stock? Breather vent tubes? Stock BST with Procycle jet kit, drill slide, 150 or 155 main jet with needle on 4th clip works well, fit extended fuel screw and fit Procycle breather filter.
2. Airbox? - Cut it and find a GSXR exhaust with Keintech mid pipe, buy a can you don't have to repack!
07 DR650 Kientech airbox mod ? - ADVrider
3. Oil filter – Scotts stainless reusable - good bit of kit, great for travelling light.
4. + In line fuel filter? -Yes
5. Braided brake lines – front only - worth doing to improve the DR's fairly weak brakes - the rear is not as important, but it does improve the bite.
VSM Vince Strang Motorcycles DR650 Brakes
6. Stator rewire???
7. Rear suspension – Rebuild OEM shock - get someone to do it locally or if you can Nevil and myself (and lots of others) really love the Cogent rebuilds, fit it and forget it, no problems!
8. Front? Big job to swap forks. Req? Maybe just – Cogent DDC drop in valves and suitably heavier spring rates
9. Sprocket? Two x - carry a 14 and a 16
10. Auto chain oiler - Scottoiler hooked up to carb vacuum (for petcock) if its sandy I turn it off, on asphalt I turn it on, job done.
Scottoiler
11. Remove chain roller - first thing a DR owner should do
12. Output shaft seal – retainer fitted - yes
13. Remove clutch and side stand safety switches - second and third things a DR owner should do
14. Chain – Swap ? - start with a new chain, don't bother carrying them in South America.
15. Magnetic sump plug - yes
16. Tool kit - Use good quality lightweight tools
17. Spares - don't weigh the bike down with too many, mount spare cables, fit new pads, carry spares, take spare spark plugs (iridium work well)
18. Wheel bearings - start with new bearings and carry spare
19. Cush drive bearing - same as 18
20. Change above to sealed? - don't have to but it will help
21. Rimlock - not needed unless you are doing some serious riding

3. BODY
1. Strip and weld gussets to subframe / luggage rack – Paint / Powdercoat? - if you have time and money you can, but not essential - strengthen the rear left grab handle/ luggage mount tab - it is weak
2. Safari Tank - 30L - Id probably go for the Acerbis 25 litre tank, the Safari is heavy and ruins the steering lock
Suzuki DR650SE 30 litres | Safari Tanks - Safari Tanks
Replace ally brace with steel - worth doing, but ive had no problems with the ally one so far
3. Bark Busters - yes
4. Bars – Pro Taper CR High Rise - yes
5. Remove Speedometer - yes, if you fit Vapor
6. Build new plate for dash? - yes homemade as per 2
7. Side stand – weld wider plate - yes, helpful on soft surfaces
8. Bash plate – B&B - yes, best one out there
B&B Off-Road - Suzuki DR650 Bashplate
9. Windscreen – screensforbikes - they get good reviews
Suzuki DR 650 96-14 � Screens For Bikes
10. Custom seat – Sargent - or Corbin, both good
Sargent World Sport Adventure Touring Seat Suzuki DR650 1996-2009,2011-2013 - RevZilla
11. Engine case armour? - yes
Suzuki DR650 Parts, Accessories, & Performance - ProCycle
12. Replace rear wheel? 18inch? - 17 inch tyres easier to find
DR350 interchangeability wheel question. : General DR650 Discussion
13. Change out rim tape – check shortwayround

4. LUGGAGE
1. Top - Pelican 1600 - 1500 works well
Pelican 1500 with Foam Black
Need to work out size
2. Run power to pelican? - handy to have
3. Luggage plate for top box?
B&B Off-Road - DR650/DRZ400 Luggage Plate
Wolfman Suzuki DR 650 Top Rack
4. Tank Panniers – Aerostitch work well with larger gas tanks
5. Rack to mount above
6. Tankbag – Waterproof / Backpack conversion - Giant Loop Fandango works well on DR

5. CLOTHING
1. 3 Synthetic T-shirts
2. 2 Light Trousers
3. 3 Pairs Socks
4. 2 Long Sleeve Shirts
5. 3 Underwear Shorts
6. 2 Casual Shorts
7. 1 Pair of 4 Season Socks
8. 1 Water-proof Jacket
9. 1 Sandals (Teva)
10. 1 Thongs
11. 1 Runners / Hiking boots


6. RIDING GEAR

7. CAMPING

8. PERSONAL
1. Cameras, lots of cameras.

9. What the?
1. Swingarm water tank? - Not tried this, I use an MSR Dromedery 4 litre bag
2. Passenger setup! - An Air Hawk cushion will give your passenger some more room
3. Hidden storage – key / money etc.



Wolfman luggage is well made. Also consider a centre stand for ease of work on bike and I like the Superbrace fork brace.


Turn the Carb fuel inlet 90 degrees to the left with a larger tank to make sure it drains the tank to empty and prevents vapour locks



Its worth fitting a separate fuse box for all the electrical add ons, switched through a relay with ignition so it cant flatten battery

Forget synthetic clothes, use Merino wool, it doesn't stink like synthetic clothing in the heat and it wears well. Take a pair of closed toe sandals that you can hike in, don't take too much footwear.

Clothing wise I pack:
1 x HUBB T Shirt ;)
2 x Icebreaker Merino T Shirts
1 x Icebreaker " long sleeve top
1 x Icebreaker " long johns
3 x Merino underwear ( SAXX are great)
3 x Socks
1 x zip off trousers
1 x swim shorts
Goretex Paclite jacket and trousers (that fit over riding gear)
Lightweight down jacket
Keen sandals with closed toe (yes I wear socks and sandals when its cold, it doesn't look so bad with a closed toe)
Toque/beanie
Ball cap
Buff


Carry less weight and enjoy the ride more!

Strong opinions are good ... and hard earned. :thumbup1:

Perhaps the wrong bike? For mostly pavement ride maybe a roomier Vstrom 650, Tiger 800 or another more comfortable street bike? The DR's not a great big man bike, is really best with a light load. Are you riding Two Up? Or on 2 DR's?

Maybe your duffle is TOO BIG or poorly mounted? Many (hundreds) use the DRZ250 tail light with success. The stock tail light will separate and LEAK. A common shortcoming. Talk to Shu on ADV about this and where he got a FREE spare from. :innocent:

Oversized rack/bags and too many add-ons may cover the DRZ tail light. :nono: Also ... do you ride so much at night to be so concerned with turn signal lights and such? Pretty much a Cardinal rule: Don't ride at night. Be safe out there! I have Buell signals up front, stock in rear. Ok for me.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-v...0/P1030261.JPG
Full load, tail light well exposed. I don't hang a ton of Crap off the back of my bike. Neatness counts, taillight quite visible at night, and with Jacket, pannier an helmet illumination ... not too bad.

The Tuckers are BMW people and did a 100 things wrong on their bikes. They carried 100 lbs. more than they needed and never went off road. IMO, not much credibility ... well, he IS a used car salesman! :rofl:

Many of those BIG aftermarket horns fail.
I learned that 15 years ago. Also ... they don't FIT easily on the DR and can break off (off road) if they don't fail first. Also need a BIG dose of voltage to work 100% ... not the DR's strong suit. A quality Disc horn is fine. Honk less,
drive aware.

PIAA are crap and the stock H-4 bulb is dangerous and inadequate. I've used a 35W HID system (cost $30) for 3 years, about 20K hard miles of my DR. Zero problems even doing serious off road hammering. I carry a spare system. Use same system on my Tiger 1050. Great.

Running blinding Aux lights in daytime is inviting a head on collision. Target Fixation. In the USA/Canada drivers are used to daytime headlight-on vehicles. Not so much in Latin America. Bright lights can fixate drivers, especially drunks (plenty on the weekends) ... they'll head straight at you. Use caution.

Do you own a Warm & Safe jacket?

Before I went to my HID system I ran my battery dead several times running Grips on HIGH (30W) and my Gerbing (77W) at 100%. Daytime I kill headlight when running Gerbing and grips. Doing this I can run 12 hours, no problems.

At night I have to run grips on LO, Gerbing at 75%. I have stock stator. Too many failed after market stator stories. Hope yours holds up. :thumbup1:

For your situation the center stand is fine. Very convenient. But if planning more OFF ROAD travel, then every kg. has to be considered. My DR650 is a dual sport bike and is used as such, so no center stand on mine. Riders have to decide on this ...

Chain oilers are good for riding in constant rain. In fair weather use ... they just make a huge mess and risk oiling your tire. I can't tell you how many riders I've reminded that their rear tire has oil on it ... they hadn't even noticed.

I don't mind cleaning and oiling my chain daily. It gives me a chance to look things over "down there", you know, the place BMW guys NEVER go to! :rofl:

I've found so many little issues from just cleaning my chain. You see your tires, chain, sprockets, spokes, wheel, various nuts & bolts, wires ... all kinds of things get a quick check. Sure, it's tedious ... But I'm at 55,000 miles (88K kms) and never once had a breakdown other than running out of fuel or a flat. bier
On the road, your bike is your life line. So a certain amount of time needs to be devoted to it. Many don't do this ... I'm no Safety Nazi or maintenance nut, and sometimes I'll skip a day. But if I have the energy I'll spend 10 minutes on the bike. That's all it ever takes, most times, after all, it's a DR650! :Beach:

Wow, Picky Picky Picky! :smartass:
:rofl: But riding position ergos are important. I guess I got lucky ... but then I knew what I needed before I ever took the stock bars off. I also retain the rubber dampers ... I hope you did too. (Pro Taper, CR HIGH, 1" riser)

Wind screens just make MORE noise.

Riding long days needs working up to. You can't start out riding 12 hour days, but can get there the more you ride. If boring, long stretches, I typically do 10 hours days ... but I'm used to doing these distances.

I'd recommend riding a stock set up, compare vibration. I have ... to me it's clearly noticeable. Remember those 12 hour days? Vibration = Fatigue.

These are parts I wouldn't carry. That Cogent shock will easily go 25K before it needs service. Very unlikely to fail.

It's not a Progressive shock. BTW, shock techs basically DO NOT exist in most of Latin America ... some may tell you they can rebuild your shock ... but most haven't a clue ... but in the big cities they are getting there, slowly.

I would bring spare rear brake pads ... but not front pads. Front pads, especially on long tour, a new set will last over 15K+ miles. Rear pads can wear quickly, especially mud riding. If calipers are serviced correctly and fluid bled every six months NOTHING on those calipers will fail. I've sets from '96 still working perfectly. Note the name on them: Nissin.

Proper servicing is all they need on a 20K mile ride. No parts need be carried other than rear pads. Start with NEW front pads ... should do 20K on tour unless you brake really hard .. or drag the brakes.
bier

Great post Grif ... I agree 100% with just about everything.
Just a new notes and ideas:

==I'm not a fan of BMW sockets. Prefer plain old universal SAE plugs or coaxial plugs. Can be adapted to any format.

==Headlight? I'm sold on my HID kit. $30, super bright, 3 years on mine. I carry a complete spare system (bulb, ignitor, ballast ... packs small) I have 35W HID, less draw than stock 55W, NO heat. Every Watt helps! Super bright ... 3 times brighter than stock ... very few drivers flash me.

==I would try the Shorai (or similiar Li-Iron) but if it fails, no big deal, go back to standard MF sealed Battery. :thumbup1: If it works it's a PLUS PLUS as it's smaller and lighter than standard battery.

==Scott re-usable oil filter? What's the long term consensus? Anyone done oil analysis after four or five oil changes and 20K miles? Honestly, not sure I trust them ... but Man, sure can't beat the convenience. Prove to me they actually filter as good as a paper filter! bier

==Great advice on suspension Grif! Plus ONE!!!

==As some know, I'm a CHAIN and Sprocket NUT case. Definitely start with a brand new chain ... go with the BEST DID X ring chain you can buy. Probably good for 20K miles if you treat it right.

For 15T sprocket, I like Suzuki OEM. JT are OK ... bring 3 spare front sprockets, different sizes as Grif said. :thumbup1: The rear sprocket should last "about" 17K to 20K miles if you're lucky. Carrying a spare rear is a PITA ... but a spare would be TOUGH to find on the road. You decide. Thing is, if you change out the front sprockets every 8K miles or so ... then not only will your chain last much longer ... but so will your rear sprocket. (with good maintenance) Lots of rain and MUD riding can change all above numbers ... do the best you can!

==Spares. Grif covers it very well. The key is to start with NEW stuff. Can't recommend ALL BALLS bearings. Cheap Chinese bearings. Use a brand name like Koyo or stock. Also, as Grif says, start with new Cush Drive rubber cushions and anything else with miles on. I have carried a set of OEM fork seals for the last 30,000 miles, never needed. YMMV. Hard to predict what will wear out and fail. Luckily, if you don't thrash your DR650 ... probably nothing will.

==I don't think you need to carry spare cables if your cables are NEW to start ... or in perfect condition. Just my opinion. The original cables on our old '96 ... are still good. (throttle, clutch) The clutch is the main one to watch. My '06 with 55K miles ... cables still perfect.

==I agree with Grif, more 17" tires available than 18", and more brand choice too. Stay with stock 17". Don't get too clever listening to all the advice on the forums. Listen to guys who've ridden a DR to where you're going ... and got back!

== Lastly, I would think carefully about luggage. I hate solid mounted top boxes if riding off road. Same with hard panniers. If you use soft panniers, use lightweight racks, don't over load the bike with crap hanging off everywhere. MINIMIZE.

Many take TONS of camping gear ... end up hardly ever using it. I don't camp in Latin America. Too many cheap hotels ... and camping can be isolating. Nor do I cook on the road. I might make Tea or Coffee, that's about it. Each his own ... but I read reports everyday where the bike is overloaded with very seldom used camping gear.

Best and only really good camping is in Southern Chile and Argentina. Mexico and Cent. America are mostly NOT GOOD for camping. YMMV. Good luck on the prep!
bier

I have a BMW socket on my home made dash, a USB socket on the bars, SAE that goes to top box for charging and coaxial socket for Lisa's heated clothing.The BMW socket/plugs aren't as good as SAE, but its good to have a few different options.

With the Scotts I don't think it filters quite as well as a paper filter, but it sure lets the oil flow much easier and combined with a magnetic sump plug I think its OK for overlanding, I use paper filters normally and between both of them id say there is marginally more particles on mag sump plug with the Scotts, the key is to do short service intervals, I try to change oil every 3-5,000 kms if I'm travelling, oil is cheap compared to an engine rebuild.

Chain wise, as Mollydog says, buy the best quality DID X ring chain you can, I forgot to mention with your spares to pack a few split links, I use rivet type and carry a Terra X chain tool which can drive out a pin, clamp on the plate, drive in a new pin and peen the rivet and its very small, great bit of kit. If your chain set is coming to the end of its life, plan ahead and order one to be ready when you get somewhere, In the USA I couldn't get one for 2 weeks and finished our trip on a completely shot chain. Not many people carry them on shelves any more, Colombia would be the easiest place to find one as the cops ride DR650's.

Mollydog, with your HID kit, is the beam pattern still the same ?
That is my main issue with the stock headlight, the beam pattern sucks, on high beam it does not illuminate the ditches to the side and low beam just doesn't do much, I try very hard not to ride at night when overseas, but sometimes you do have to.

IMO I like the independence that having camping gear gives me, I can set up by the side of the road and not have to worry about having to make it to the next overpriced hotel/guesthouse (after you've been through Chile you'll know what I'm talking about).
I'm not a huge fan of cities, to me they serve a purpose to see the sights, get a feel for the locals culture, buy consumables for the bike and sort out administration, then I'm happier out in the countryside and in smaller towns, but that's just me, I don't even like going to London when Im in the UK!

A compromise for Central America would be to carry a hammock and a mosquito net, quite comfy once you get the hang of sleeping in them, but totally useless when you get to Patagonia ;)

Options are GOOD!
Sounds like you're way ahead of me on this! Once I start running more gadgets I'll need to upgrade, maybe add a fuse block and different formate connectors?

No question, oil changes are good. Where do you find quality oil on the road? Synthetic? MC specific? I have found it OK in Mexico and Cent. Am, but eons since I rode bikes in S. America.
So, what's the plan there?

Yes, beam pattern is the same, far as I can tell. As mentioned, it's easily 3 times brighter than stock. 100% agree on night riding, but sometimes you have no choice.

plus one on the hammock. I lived in one when I lived in El Salvador and Guatemala, used it camping at Tikal and other places. I still own a Cotton
Mexican "Matrimonio" hammock. bier

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Hi Steve. We are sitting here in Buenos Aires waiting to ship two DR650s back to North America. Are hanging out with one dude who is from Sydney and got into talking. From the looks of things with Vince Strang, did you know that that Aussie made items such as Pivot Pegz and the DR 650 Safari tank, and probably Bark Busters, are *cheaper* to buy in the US than Aussie! We might be missing something here, but you might want to shop around a bit :)

That's interesting, good to know. I'd heard local Police were using DR's in places ... but things change. Some HUBB members (Ecuadorians and Colombians) claim there is now a Suzuki assembly plant in Colombia. I heard they are putting DL650's and DR's together for regional sale ... but can't confirm. It would be a shame if no parts are around for your DR's.

Yes, this confirms what i've heard too. I would hope to be able to get hold of common expendables: Tires, tubes, battery, brake pads and perhaps get some welding or repairs done if required.

I'm sure your stock tail light will be fine ... I've seen a couple guys break them off riding off road ... and the separation issue is a pain. I don't use LED (maybe I should?) bulbs in tail light or signals. Just stock.
Conspicuity is important for sure!

Tuckers:
As you say "... on a mission". Sounded to me like they suffered mightily the whole trip and just wanted to get it done, get all the passport stamps and get back to Orange County and their swimming pool. :innocent: I stopped following them early on once I saw their travel style.

Good comments on Horns. YES, at times you need them .. and in certain cultures they are essential! It's just tough to mount a big one on the DR, a couple have failed after a year or two or rough going off road ... actually in the last 5 years I've lost 3 horns ... GONE ...doh never noticed them fall off. GONE. Back to high quality Disc horns.
HID don't often fail ... especially good for the DR as they use LESS watts and give LOTS more light. Beam pattern is perfect and if aimed properly, no one flashes me!
I hate HOT, high amp "Super Bulbs". Your 3 prong plug will melt. I've not burnt a bulb in 55K miles. (tail light or signal either .. just one speedo light)

Yes, in Thailand oncoming traffic coming at you .. expect you to move over and ride along the 2 ft. wide pedestrian path ... or in the Paddy! Unbelievable .. but just standard practice there.
Warm & Safe are nice, and very well made. But are not the Warmest and draw 90 watts. For the DR, this is a concern. My Gerbing jacket is warmer than W&S ... draws 77 watts. (I have both) W&S have a new one ... 60 or 65 watts I heard.

Very smart to shut off accessories before arrival! :thumbup1: (I do the same) Sounds to me like that extra 50 watts on your stator are working well. Do be aware ... try not to stress out your Batt too much in remote area.
I don't carry a Tri-Pod stand. I just stand the bike more or less straight on side stand and clean and oil a section at a time, moving bike a bit after each oiling ... or sometimes just adding a bit of oil. If really cleaning I remove left pannier for access to chain/wheel. I used a stand for a while, not needed.

But for long travel, a center stand is best. :thumbup1:

Exactly!
Clean is good ... especially around the drive line, wheels and tires.
All critical day to day essentials to keep an eye on.
Great point about Carpal Tunnel. This is something I am always explaining to riders. Sounds like you guys are very well tuned into this ... it will pay BIG dividends on those too long days. I was a microphone Boom operator on TV/Movies for 10 years ... Carpal Tunnel is also an issue doing that job ... I also rode sport bike for years ... until I couldn't!

Not sure. I think I just pulled it out of thin are ... but I have ridden plenty of 12 hour days, but usually shoot for 10 hours. Going at a slower pace is always better, unless crossing Colorado, Nevada or Montana or trying to out run a storm or on a deadline. :helpsmilie:

Slowly is always better, no question. But it's good to have the endurance and ability to go long if you should have to.
YES! If you can manage to get your screen smooth and quiet ... then it's ALL GOOD. With me and the DR, I've do mostly HOT weather riding ... so a screen there blocks cooling air ... but you're right .. for Canada or the Andes ... a screen would be a luxury ... maybe a life saver. I've ridden through snow in our California Sierra many times as well as in Colorado ... a screen would have been welcomed.

[QUOTE=mollydog;470755]Great post Grif ... I agree 100% with just about everything.
Just a new notes and ideas:

==I'm not a fan of BMW sockets. Prefer plain old universal SAE plugs or coaxial plugs. Can be adapted to any format.

For me, this is a tricky call. The "Cigar/Cigarette" sockets are the ones that Powerlet are trying to explain to us as being unreliable and big. Probably true. I have seen a bunch of people use those USB cylinders that take one or connections that just drop into a cig socket. Available and cheap. You get to charge one or two phones off of a single dropin cartridge for something like USD$6. How much does it cost of a Powerlet cable for your phone, and then Ipod, and then something else. They are expensive! $25+ depending on where you live. For 1/10 of that you can buy one or more of those cables, and a couple more bucks buys you a double USB to Cigar socket adapter. Now, if you haven't decided to (over-) do Powerlet sockets, it is a direct connections. Or you can drag around a Powerlet-to-Cigar dongles (yes, I have had failures and had to fix the dongle so I could use the pump!). Don't buy into the hype! One Powerlet might be useful, but count that actually use cases. Each tine you add an adaptor you increase the possibility of failure.

==Headlight? I'm sold on my HID kit. $30, super bright, 3 years on mine. I carry a complete spare system (bulb, ignitor, ballast ... packs small) I have 35W HID, less draw than stock 55W, NO heat. Every Watt helps! Super bright ... 3 times brighter than stock ... very few drivers flash me.

Interested, will watch.

==I would try the Shorai (or similiar Li-Iron) but if it fails, no big deal, go back to standard MF sealed Battery. :thumbup1: If it works it's a PLUS PLUS as it's smaller and lighter than standard battery.

Cold weather performance is advertised. Takes a bit. After one accidental discharge, and cold start, didn't feel like a miracle battery. Ran it in DR650 and DRZ400. Would I use it again (locally)? Yes. At time of departure, for long trip, did not feel tested enough.

==Scott re-usable oil filter? What's the long term consensus? Anyone done oil analysis after four or five oil changes and 20K miles? Honestly, not sure I trust them ... but Man, sure can't beat the convenience. Prove to me they actually filter as good as a paper filter! bier

This is a tricky one. If we were to carry paper filters and change each time we would be at around 16 paper filters between the two of us. We like to start changing oil at 3000km and max at 4000km.


==Great advice on suspension Grif! Plus ONE!!!

==As some know, I'm a CHAIN and Sprocket NUT case. Definitely start with a brand new chain ... go with the BEST DID X ring chain you can buy. Probably good for 20K miles if you treat it right.

Pretty sure that your advice had directly led to our chain and sprockets choice.

For 15T sprocket, I like Suzuki OEM. JT are OK ... bring 3 spare front sprockets, different sizes as Grif said. :thumbup1: The rear sprocket should last "about" 17K to 20K miles if you're lucky. Carrying a spare rear is a PITA ... but a spare would be TOUGH to find on the road. You decide. Thing is, if you change out the front sprockets every 8K miles or so ... then not only will your chain last much longer ... but so will your rear sprocket. (with good maintenance) Lots of rain and MUD riding can change all above numbers ... do the best you can!

I concur with the multiple front sprockets. It makes sense. Any time we are riding in mountainous areas, or off-road tracts, we like to switch to 14 tooth. We did not bring 16 tooth sprockets. We never really found 15 tooth sprockets insufficient, but wouldn't exclude 16 for the next time. With regards to 14t sprockets, why not add an extra one. By definition, they are going to work harder than stock. They also wear more than stock by definition, and are harder to find than stock.

==Spares. Grif covers it very well. The key is to start with NEW stuff. Can't recommend ALL BALLS bearings. Cheap Chinese bearings. Use a brand name like Koyo or stock. Also, as Grif says, start with new Cush Drive rubber cushions and anything else with miles on. I have carried a set of OEM fork seals for the last 30,000 miles, never needed. YMMV. Hard to predict what will wear out and fail. Luckily, if you don't thrash your DR650 ... probably nothing will.

Guys, it depends on your range. I haven't done a "RTW". I suspect that if I was riding down to South America, I would choose to do some replacements before starting the next hop (either side of the hop)., say Africa. You can get most things sent anywhere. Hell, I have seen more stores in Latin America carrying SPF bearings than back in Canada. Bearings are commonplace items.

==I don't think you need to carry spare cables if your cables are NEW to start ... or in perfect condition. Just my opinion. The original cables on our old '96 ... are still good. (throttle, clutch) The clutch is the main one to watch. My '06 with 55K miles ... cables still perfect.

YMMV. I chose to buy some Motion Pro clutch cables in 2010. One clutch cable broke pre-trip (under a week prior). I assumed it was random. The second clutch cable popped in Colombia *exactly* where my new friends did not want me to stop due to FARC activity - I passed just after federal elections. The cable was prerouted and took about 15 minutes to swap out - back to original! (Would not be the case if it was not pre-routed). I believe that these cables where faulty. Vendor nor manufacturer had much to say. I brought it up with the vendor but nothing much came of it. I did not chase them either That said, I will buy MP tools, but not parts that I stick to my bike. I might still have the cable head in which the solder let go revealing a hole all the way through the cable head.

Anyway, what is the reason for not prerouting a clutch and pull cable through frame? Easy insurance, no? Keep in mind that you waiting for a truck, without.


==I agree with Grif, more 17" tires available than 18", and more brand choice too. Stay with stock 17". Don't get too clever listening to all the advice on the forums. Listen to guys who've ridden a DR to where you're going ... and got back!

Agreed. Don't believe the hype. Most 18 inchers will be too narrow. You are back at square one.

== Lastly, I would think carefully about luggage. I hate solid mounted top boxes if riding off road. Same with hard panniers. If you use soft panniers, use lightweight racks, don't over load the bike with crap hanging off everywhere. MINIMIZE.

OK. So above poster does not recommend hard luggage. Fair enough. To each his own. There is sense here. You have suggested that you would like to do an RTW with a lot of off-road. You probably have a computer and a camera, and probably want to hang on to them. What makes you feel comfortable? Where does this stuff go when you take a piss? When you go eat lunch? When leave your bike unattended as you sign into a hotel?

Many take TONS of camping gear ... end up hardly ever using it. I don't camp in Latin America. Too many cheap hotels ... and camping can be isolating. Nor do I cook on the road. I might make Tea or Coffee, that's about it. Each his own ... but I read reports everyday where the bike is overloaded with very seldom used camping gear.

Don't overdue camping gear. I also consider basic camping gear part of my "I got sick and have to boondock on the side of the road gear".

"Latin America" is a diverse place. To make any statement about cost associations universally would be incorrect, and "cheap" is relative. Per person per night? USD$7, $USD10, $USD15, $USD30. I personally have got stuck with paying +USD$100 in the past having to find a place that would take a bike overnight having excluded what I saw as my other options. Now we are travelling two for much longer period.

IMHO, the choice to camp is mostly personal opinion. For example, "back home" if you just hate camping, why start now? That said, for us Boy Scouts and Girl Guides, we learned to camp from an young age. If you are doing a whirlwind tour, probably not bother. If you are heading to the "more expensive" SA countries (Argentina, Chile, Brasil), you might find that these countries are beyond your travel budget.

For motorcycles, if you follow the RV, car and truck people, you will probably be able to camp. Look up the camping section at Life Remotely and similar sites. We stayed at a whole bunch of the places they (LR) recommended in our tent and were generally pretty happy about it. For us, we prefer to camp when we are staying more than one night somewhere. We stayed at many places for 3-4 nights in our tent for what it would have cost for one night in a room. We started to camp in Mexico on the Baja, camped mostly on Mexico, Guatemala, Panama, Colombia and Bolivia. If we were travelling in "their" summer, we would be camping more further south.

Best and only really good camping is in Southern Chile and Argentina. Mexico and Cent. America are mostly NOT GOOD for camping. YMMV. Good luck on the prep!

We haven't camped in Southern Chile or Argentina (bit cold right now, and planning for home). We have great memories of most of our camping locations starting in Mexico. Sometimes you can find yourself staying for close to a week at the same price as one night in a room.

If you decide to camp, and cook a lot, you can always do this in "waves". By this, I mean that if you decide to bring the most simple pot and stove (suitable - you do you fuel for this - your gas tank, hint hint), you can always buy a bigger pot or frying pan when you know that you are going to use it for a while, and toss it later.

We like to have options. We have arbitrary landed ourselves in "gringo" areas in costal Mexico with "back home" rates for hotels (+$100-250) and food (+USD$20 - yikes!). Or USD$7 for a tent spot, ahh.

***A tent is not for everyone*** What a tent can provide:

* Cheaper accommodations
* less tarantulas than the place next door
* 100% mosquito-free compared the expensive bamboo cabañas
* 100% less scorpions
* 73% less venomous snake bites
* 110% more stars than other dwellings
* 33% percent more air than similar tropical dwellings
* 0% chance of less rain.
* 85% chance of better pricavy
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Available and cheap. You get to charge one or two phones off of a single dropin cartridge for something like USD$6. How much does it cost of a Powerlet cable for your phone, and then Ipod, and then something else.
Good info there. I don't run a lot of electronics. But will look into these options. SAE plugs are about $5. But you're right, some adaptors are expensive getting over to USB.

Yea, for a $30 HID, you're not risking much. I get my kits from DDM Tuning.
(Chinese) But you can call them in SoCal and talk to a real person ... but kits are shipped from China.

As I said, traveling, I carry a complete HID spare kit, plus my original H-4 Bulb, which is useless. The other thing is how easy the HID is to install cleanly into the DR650 headlight. Some DR riders go for the twin filament HI-LO bulb. But wiring is more complex for that. Now, my 35 Watt single bulb kit is ON in the low beam position (handlebar switch). In HI beam, it's OFF, which is good when starting or when saving watts in general.

I tend to agree with you on this. I'd love for the Shorai and others to get good enough and reliable enough to count on when traveling. For now, I'll start with a NEW, sealed, MF battery. Thanks for confirming ... I've never used a Shorai ... still learning about it.

Carrying all those filters is OUT! I agree ... it's a tricky problem! How about some weird compromise? I know we can get away with doing a new oil filter every OTHER oil change.
OR ....
So how about this? ... figure 20,000 miles (30K kms) total. On the road I change oil at 3000 miles (5K kms), using GOOD synthetic oil. At this point, oil is still clear, not opaque and well within grade. A good thing.

So, 7 oil changes for the trip. I would be willing to carry maybe 2 or 3 filters. Also, it's possible one may find the COMMON Suzuki DR filter at a Suzuki dealer on the road? This size fits many bikes. (not just Suzuki)

But I would use the Scott ... and run it every other oil change. I think cleaning he Scott filter is key. Must be done well, from what I've heard.
So, 3000 miles on the Scott, then 3000 mi. on paper filter?
Then back to Scott. Crazy? Probably .. :smartass:

Great, glad to be of help.

I agree, you don't need a 16T. I've never used one and have spent many long days sat on 80 mph ... with 15T sprocket. The 14T isn't bad on highway either, and I'm comfortable at 70 mph with the 14T. Off road, I could use much lower gearing .... but you can't have everything! :smartass:

Just carry a few extra fronts (whatever size) and all should be well. But like I say (and you know this) rain, mud and sand are very hard on chain/sprockets and can shorten life. Clean and lightly oiled seems to work.

Good to know you've seen bearings for sale! :thumbup1: I know in Mexico big Truck parts stores have just about every bearing ever made. FAG, SKF, KOYO and more. Better than ANY typical auto parts store in US. In the US, you have to go to a Bearing house or order on line.

I'll be carrying a inner Hub bearing and replacing Steering head bearings before departure. Mine are original and have suffered some off road abuse, so as preventative, I'll install these. The wheel bearings will stay, as my mileage has been split between two sets of wheels. I'm hoping any I need can be found on the road if needed! I've cleaned and greased mine since NEW at every tire change. All good so far! (knock wood!)

My preference for cables is OEM Suzuki. I would consider pre-routing a clutch cable ... I've got a 10 year old spare I could use. I would NOT do this for throttle ... to easy to foul the routing causing stuck or dragging throttle. Very tight with IMS tank. I see so many done WRONG!

Good observations and questions! :thumbup1:
For me, I don't keep valuables easily accessible on the bike. I use a Camel Back, which has room for extra stuff in it. (iPad, cash, paperwork). Camel Back stays on me. Camera in Jacket pocket.

But walking away from the bike is always a challenge! :eek3: None of us can afford to lose anything ... if it's on the bike ... it's needed! :taz:

Security? ... generally try to check into hotel/camp ground before going into town. Everyone handles security differently. Some are Ultra Paranoid, use HUGE metal boxes or Pelicans ... and never trust locals for anything.

I used hard bags too .. but true security is an illusion. All easy to crack into, screw driver and hammer. Gone in 60 seconds. :eek3:

Riding partners are good for security. Solo is tough ... I've done plenty and not always easy.
OPTIONS: I often hire kids to watch, or park in Police stations or private homes or private lots. (PAY!) I've been lucky ... only lost minor stuff.

Wow!
All good points for camping! :clap: I get it. You can save a ton of money. Using Hostels/Hotels requires some planning, work ... and LUCK! ... but more and more there are tips on decent places even in the most remote villages. Amazing! Sjoerd Baker's book has been my guide since 2007 for Mexico.

With camping I've found it best to shorten your riding day to allow time to search for a place. If you find organized camping ... then ALL GOOD! I know things are expensive in Chile and Argentina ... so camp grounds there make perfect sense. For Hostels ... you need to make your target town, if you don't ... this is how you can get screwed by Gringo prices. (Done that too! :taz:)

In parts of Mex and Cent. America ... I found it more a challenge to find clean, safe camping. Very dense with people. But that's just me. If you cook, then more time needed to cook, clean up, then break camp then pack it all back up. Over and over again. :(

It's personal preference. I prefer spending time in town, conversing, shopping, eating, drinking, working on my Spanish and just hanging out, working on my bike ... OR ... doing absolutely NOTHING!

Camping is constant work. If you find great place and STAY there a few days ... then that really works. But UP - DOWN with the camping set up everyday ... wears on me. YMMV. :confused1:

I've found a few great long term camping places. Always good to take a few days OFF THE BIKE after a few travel days. Paying hotels for a week adds up, so can't argue just how much sense camping can make to many $$$$!

It's all about trade offs, risk management, budget and comfort levels. bier

Excellent! ... but I have to say I've seen MANY spiders, snakes and HUGE scorpions camping. Been bitten by giant Centipedes. (painful) But point made ... some Hostels are REAL DIVES ... filthy, Bedbug and insect infested. Some times you would be better off outside. :thumbdown:

But I have some stories for you about what happens when you set your tent up in the dark ... and where you end up being when you awake in the morning. :eek3: :rofl: or .. some interesting middle of the night interruptions.

bier

Hey all

Just stopping in to let you know I'm still here, so far the advice has been fantastic. I'm adjusting my list accordingly and will repost the first post possibly shortly. Just been flat out at work - 14hr days, 7 days a week!

Not sure if I mentioned it in the first post. But I WILL be going around the world, long term. So my carried / worn gear especially will have to suit that.

Also I've taken your advice and am looking into flying to USA in November to buy and build a dr there. Seems much smarter weather and cost wise.

Cheers!

Steve

Hey all,

Really appreciate the advice given so far. Slowly adjusting my budget to suit (mostly upwards!)

I've ridden this 100cc's of fury through Vietnam:
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And then tried something similar through the Philippines on this:
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I said "tried":
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And driven the old girl almost all the way around Australia:
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A few of you asked more about what type of riding / route I'll be taking and it's looking a little something like this.

The route is yet to be determined after South America. Currently looking at how long I may take for that section, along with shipping costs (or even possibilities) to eventually get to Vladivostok or just to Africa.

There's a possibility of me doing some months with a certain young lady on the back. This will be mostly on road riding, the odd bit of dirt roads thrown in for a laugh. I'll follow the sun as much as possible, but am quite happy in the cold / rain, camping and riding.

The majority of the ride will be solo, and I want to be able to attempt / focus on mostly off road riding. I've ridden more than enough sports bikes and bitumen tends to bore me when it's not ripping the skin off my bones.

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With my current budget, which is mostly a wish list really, I'm looking at around:
$16,000 for the DR650 and quite a lot of mods. Can easily drop this down by about $2k.

$4,000 in camping, riding gear, all clothing, personal equipment and the like

$14,000 Visas, Shipping, Flights, Travel & Medical insurance for two years.

This is mostly rough estimates along with some numbers off Hubb. But it also assumes that I own ZERO equipment, camping gear or underwear so there shall be savings.

This just leaves my daily cost, which varies. Once again, parts of this are purposely inflated estimations and parts are prices off the web / hubb.

Cheers!

For a late, low mileage, lightly used DR650 in the US with some modifications already done, you should be looking at no more than $5000 usd and even with most of the mods you've mentioned you should be able to sort the bike completely out for under $10,000 - the main problem/cost is finding a place to stay and do all of the work - with a shipping address, so if you have friends in the US ask them nicely....


You should be able to make savings off the other costs too, the US is THE best place to buy gear. What are your plans for shipping ? South America to South Africa and then North and East ?

One possible route is:

North America - Darien Gap - South America -> Africa -> Ride to Europe -> East across Russia -> SE Asia via Korea / Japan -> Indonesia -> Home.

Although I would very much like to find out if I can get from South America directly to Japan / Korea and from there up to Russia. Then west across Russia -> Europe -> Africa -> back up Africa -> somehow -> SE Asia -> Indonesia -> Home.

Hey Steve,

Cost wise the Easterly route will be more efficient and cheaper, heading West you will have 2 major shipping costs, but it is doable I'm sure to ship from South America to South Korea, get to Vlad and go West to Europe, Africa. To SE Asia might be a little trickier but you could go anti clockwise around Africa, head up to Kenya and Ethiopia, then head back South and maybe ship from Durban to Bangkok before heading home. You may run into problems bringing a US registered bike back into Australia as an Aussie citizen without a Carnet, look into that issue or sell the bike in Asia.


Re other points raised:

As for car type 12v power sockets, IME they do not work so well on thumpers, smooth multi cylinder bikes fine, but on thumpers you end up taping, cable tying, bodging plugs into sockets to keep a good connection and its easy to pop fuses or wreck sensitive electronics with poor intermittent connections. The BMW type plugs positively click in and don't rattle loose. Also if you have a Powerlet /BMW socket you can borrow all the shiny expensive gear the BMW crowd carry (compressors etc) when yours (and mine) breaks. Like I said, having a few different options is a good idea, one $25 socket and a couple of plugs isn't much cash on top of a $10,000 bike build, if you want to save money, buy a bike that has already been farkled up with someone else buying all the new parts and taking the hit with taxes and shipping. (that's normally me!)

Oil, buy motorcycle oil when you can, use car oil when you have to, Ive had to use Castrol car 10-40 oil in Bolivia, couldn't find any motorcycle oil anywhere, ran with no problems, just make sure it doesn't say 'energy saving' on the bottle (friction modifiers that will ruin the clutch) that's the beauty of the venerable old DR - they aren't too fussy with oil or gas!


16 tooth sprockets are good if you have to do long stretches of pavement, Nevil used one to ride across Europe and I believe Canada last year on his RTW, I wish id had one a few years ago for some long highway stretches in Chile. At 60 mph/100kmh with 14/42 sprockets the DR pulls 4500 rpm, with 16/42 it sits at 4000 rpm at the same speed or 70 mph/120 kmh at 4500rpm, less engine wear, better fuel economy or you can go a bit faster ;) makes sense to me. If you are staying off highways/motorways don't use one, if you have to do a bunch of highway riding they work well. I have found with my DR keeping it at or under 4500 rpm is the cut off for better fuel economy.

This is how mine has ended up after 4 years of tweaking.....

I have the Pelican 1500 box mounted fairly well to the rear because we ride 2up, but its not too heavy or big and I like having at least one fairly secure storage, if I use a DR250 light it cant be seen so easily from any angle with the HT rear rack and indicator extensions, yes its big, but its also more visable, im running a stock tail light bulb with the Procycle LED plate light, toolbox holds compressor/tools/tyre levers. Pannier bags are Happy Trail Mojave which fit straight onto the HT SU pannier racks, they have an aluminium plate on the rear and 'pucks' so no straps over the seat, the same mounting system as the HT Teton aluminium panniers. Aerostitch tank panniers, Laminar B king screen with a removable MRA lip works ok, GSXR 40F0 can sounds sweeeeeeet........




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Gippers your setup looks just like what I'm going for:clap:

Some great advice there re power let / BMW sockets, I'll adjust the list accordingly.

Did you find the storage space enough for two? I'd be looking at taking a small tent and the likest some stage, really don't want to end up with a bike drowning in luggage!

The pelican was used for expensive equipment I assume. Do anything crazy like run power to the box? And yes, I'm searching for a GSXR can, everything points towards it. May just have to wait till I'm closer to heading to the USA and try to buy one on eBay or the like, post it to a friends till I get there.

I've put up a post in route planning to try to get some more information for my route. It's all well and good to SAY I'll go here, here and here. But without any idea on how long regions will take it's hard to then plan where to go re the weather.

Cheers!

Hi Steve,


Check out some photos on our blog under 'trip prep' for photos of our SAmerica setup. For that trip we used the HT Teton ali panniers with 12v power going to the top box which worked ok.


Pretty much all of our trip was 2up, it sounds like the majority of your trip will be solo, so there's some compromises, all I can say is prep the bike to enjoy the longer solo part of your trip and when you ride 2up carry as little 'stuff' as you can.


The HT Mojave bags are OK for a solo rider, but IMO don't have enough volume for 2up extended travel. However if you can pack super light it would be ok for a while. But there are plenty of other larger soft bag options out there that would make 2up travel easier. I will be putting some footman loops on top of the Pelican case so I can have the tent tied on it for 2up - when we ride 2up we are not generally doing hardcore routes these days.


For charging electronics Id take a smaller camera and maybe a small tablet instead of a laptop/netbook and keep them in your tankbag and just put a USB outlet on your bars with the charge cable straight into the tankbag.


The tankbag goes with you when you leave the bike, so do you need a Peli case ? maybe not, but it is handy.......


Its better to have slightly larger panniers and keep the weight low and as close to the centre of the bike as possible instead of having a huge duffel bag high up on the tail. But if you do end up with a duffel/roll top bag on the tail, make sure only lightweight bulky stuff goes up there.


You could maybe start the trip with a Peli case and if you don't have enough room for the 2up part sell it or ship it home.....

I'll check out the setup section on your page, thanks mate.

I was looking at Magadan AS panniers. Seem to keep the weight low, and are relatively waterproof for when the bike is dropped in a river. It's going to happen I mean cmon.

Really hard to judge how much storage is needed at the moment, but that'll come once I start buying gear for the bike. Now that I've a complete list I'm definitely trying to cut down / downsize items on it. I'll hopefully have a pelicase on the rear at the most, light is key I believe.

The Magadan panniers are a great bit of kit, expensive but good quality, I think they would be perfect, definitely more room than the HT Mojave.

If you ship them to the US you will probably get dinged with big customs fee's- maybe pick them up in UK in person on the way through to the USA ?

Pack your clothing in a small dry bag and your sleeping bag too, don't rely on soft panniers to be 100% waterproof.

Ive asked Happy Trail to make the Mojave's slightly bigger and have external bottle holders on them - as US competition to the Magadans, but they don't seem to be interested. Wolfman have the best over range of soft luggage here at the moment, but I still hate loads of straps over the seat everywhere.

I didn't even think about custom's fees. I thought about buying and shipping the Magadans to Aus, and using them as my luggage when I fly to USA. Did you use / need heated gear on your trip Gipper? Right now I'm looking at riding clothing, wet weather gear AND heated gear. Seems like a lot of space required just for that.

Lisa had a heated jacket and gloves, I had heated grips, the DR's stator cant keep up with all three under 4000 rpm, I don't use heated clothing personally, even riding solo, good heated grips, merino wool layers and Gore-Tex jacket and pants - and a lightweight down jacket if its really cold, then you can keep warm away from the bike too.

I don't even normally take a thick pair of waterproof gloves, I just use a thin windproof liner glove under my summer leather gloves and larger hand guards with the heated grips, if they get wet then tough, its when you start to take 2 pairs of everything that room becomes tight - keep it simple, if you need more airflow through the hand guards when its hot, drill some holes in them and then tape them up when its cold.

Yeah Im not sure about customs fees in Australia, give them a call and ask them what the duty would be, is there anyone who sells the AS gear there?

I had a very similar DR650 shopping list for a lap around Sth America last year.

I have more info on what worked FOR ME if you want more info. Everyone I met travelled differently and had different ideas on what worked, so keep looking around and getting ideas and you will sort it out. Plenty of good opinions so far!

here is my opinion

DR650 SE - 2yrs, 115,000kms through the Americas...
 

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