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Gold Wing 31 Oct 2012 23:12

Shipping motorcycle from Brazil to Dakar by airplane
 
During my trip Round The World 2013 described here http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...r-2013-a-67083 I have to ship the bike from Brazil to Dakar (Senegal).
I found here on HU an address of a freight forwarder in Rio de Janeiro (Perseus - Rua dos Andradas 96 SL 304 and 305 - Centro - Rio de Janeiro - (Marcos Soares (55) 21 2108-4859) - www.perseus1.com.br), but the website is non-existent.
Does anyone have information but also other shippers between Brazil and Dakar?
thanks

kito 1 Nov 2012 00:56

brazil has a bad rep for shipping might be best to head down to BA

Gold Wing 1 Nov 2012 09:15

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Originally Posted by kito (Post 398712)
brazil has a bad rep for shipping might be best to head down to BA

Even BA (Buenos Aires?) has a bad rep for shipping.
Also I come from Chile and I go to Dakar: I do not want to stop in Argentina and then jump Brazil.
I need to find a plane for the bike from Brazil; if nothing is strange: the Atlantic is closer between eastern Brazil and West Africa.

kito 3 Nov 2012 00:43

so just go for it and post up your findings for us all to read . I also think you will find distance is of little importance .ie I can ship a bike from england to suriname for the same price maybe even less than panama to colombia

Gold Wing 3 Nov 2012 08:56

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Originally Posted by kito (Post 398926)
so just go for it and post up your findings for us all to read . I also think you will find distance is of little importance .ie I can ship a bike from england to suriname for the same price maybe even less than panama to colombia

I do not understand your sentence "I just go for it." :confused1:
Regarding the price of flights, I know that they are very variable, but for me is not so much a question of cost: the flight must be, then how much is a subsequent question and, in part, less important.
Of course, if I arrive in Brazil and I can catch a flight to Dakar, I will post here what you find. :)
But I do not start even if I do not know Italy BEFORE I find a flight to Brazil to Dakar. I'm leaving Italy for my RTW only if I already have contacts with all the shippers I need for the 4 flights during my RTW: I can not risk too many unexpected, because my tour lasts only 2 months, so I have to program the flights before leaving.

pecha72 3 Nov 2012 09:27

Keep in mind, that sending one vehicle one time on a certain route, must be like charity work for the freight companies. Not much money to be made out of it for them. Plus it may be a lot of work for them to arrange it, your shipment being dangerous goods and all.

Only my observation, but most of the companies I've dealt wit, did not seem to want to do a whole lot, before I was personally there with my vehicle, so they could see I was for real.

They probably also get lots of inquiries of the same kind, most of which never turn into real shipping jobs (people just getting quotes from many different companies). So on the other hand, it is sort of understandable, too, if they seem slow to respond to calls and e-mails.

Some sort of pre-payment might speed up things at their end... but naturally that will have its own risks, like losing the money, if it turns out they weren't dependable. In fact I probably would not pay up front myself, or I'd pay only a very small amount.

Gold Wing 3 Nov 2012 09:48

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Originally Posted by pecha72 (Post 398955)
Keep in mind, that sending one vehicle one time on a certain route, must be like charity work for the freight companies. Not much money to be made out of it for them. Plus it may be a lot of work for them to arrange it, your shipment being dangerous goods and all.

Only my observation, but most of the companies I've dealt wit, did not seem to want to do a whole lot, before I was personally there with my vehicle, so they could see I was for real.

They probably also get lots of inquiries of the same kind, most of which never turn into real shipping jobs (people just getting quotes from many different companies). So on the other hand, it is sort of understandable, too, if they seem slow to respond to calls and e-mails.

Some sort of pre-payment might speed up things at their end... but naturally that will have its own risks, like losing the money, if it turns out they weren't dependable. In fact I probably would not pay up front myself, or I'd pay only a very small amount.

It 's true what you write at the beginning.
But here is another problem, because, as I wrote before, I do not own any contacts in Brazil, no email address to which to send my request.
When I made a similar request in Nepal (for a flight to Bangkok), responded immediately in 4 (not all, but most of the spedizionieir which I wrote), I have selected one of the four, if he had asked me a small advance I would have sent him (not asked), and everything is ok.
But here in Brazil I have not found anyone to ask!
I do not claim that I may accept red carpet, but at least you know that when I get there, there is someone who can do the job of shipping my bike. :)
So let's go back to the first problem: who to contact in Brazil for a flight for my bike to Dakar?

kito 4 Nov 2012 02:39

But I do not start even if I do not know Italy BEFORE I find a flight to Brazil to Dakar. I'm leaving Italy for my RTW only if I already have contacts with all the shippers I need for the 4 flights during my RTW: I can not risk too many unexpected, because my tour lasts only 2 months, so I have to program the flights before leaving.[/QUOTE]

can i ask WHY you would want to go on a RTW trip if you expect everything to only go to plan ? IT WONT . Also if you only have 2 months all you are going to get is stress and not see or experience anything . If I was you I would be looking into doing a different trip

kito 4 Nov 2012 02:52

another thing I was just thinking . Some shipping agents like to have your bike a few days before shipping for inspection, customs clearence loading ect. then a day maybe 2 to clear customs at the recieving end . So if your shipping your bike 4 times I would expect to "loose" about 2 weeks . that then gives you 6 weeks riding time to ride RTW. rather you tham me mate

Gold Wing 4 Nov 2012 15:36

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Originally Posted by kito (Post 399035)
can i ask WHY you would want to go on a RTW trip if you expect everything to only go to plan ? IT WONT . Also if you only have 2 months all you are going to get is stress and not see or experience anything . If I was you I would be looking into doing a different trip

Quote:

Originally Posted by kito (Post 399037)
another thing I was just thinking . Some shipping agents like to have your bike a few days before shipping for inspection, customs clearence loading ect. then a day maybe 2 to clear customs at the recieving end . So if your shipping your bike 4 times I would expect to "loose" about 2 weeks . that then gives you 6 weeks riding time to ride RTW. rather you tham me mate

Yes, you can ask, but then do not be surprised of the answer too :)
I start by saying that I do not think this is the most appropriate topic to discuss certain issues "philosophical" about why you traveling by motorcycle and why you do it in a certain way.
Who wants to ask the reason of my trip, I believe we must do so in the topic of my trip, which I mentioned at the beginning, ie here http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...r-2013-a-67083, and not in this topic, that topic is a "technical", where you try (and give) information on how to transport a motorcycle from one point to another.
However, I reply.
Why? It 's easy to make a trip around the world in motion. All you need is a bike, passion, time. If you have a LONG time, you can also do it with very little money. You stop to work, earn some 'and then allocation.
But if you want to tour the world in motion and you're a "normal" person with a normal family, a normal job, who do not want to give up for a motorcycle trip (because my family is more important than my bike, despite I have a great passion for motorcycles), then it is difficult, because you have to travel during the holidays, or a little more.
Thus, as the maximum time that I have is 2/3 months, I'll do the RTW at that time, not more. Sure, it's a harder time, but I, more than a difficulty, I see it as a challenge. And the challenges are made to be addressed. But to do this we need a plan, well prepared: you can not leave to chance, if you have limited time.
I should add that, however, I like to travel "fast" (not as km / h, but as "rhythms Travel"), so for me there is no stress in such a trip. Last year I went to motorcycle from Lecce (Italy) to Vladivostok (13,000 km) in 15 days: no stress, even a lot of fun. Then from there, embarking for Korea, I shot for a week, then 8 days in Japan and then back again through the whole of Siberia (with deviation in Altaj, on the border of Mongolia): 34,000 km in 59 days, which less than 50 days motorbike trip (the other 9 are served by ferry and stop customs in Vladivostok: look at this report http://www.gold-wing.it/moto/2011-06...ne/indice.html . No stress, but so much fun, so many meetings, so many places seen, monuments visited, lived experiences.
I travel by bike: if I only want to see a particular place, I would go by plane, I would stop there a week and would visit. But that's not my goal: I travel by bike.
If the weather is just that, the time will do.
There are people who, faced with the lack of time, gave up a trip: I did not.
And I enjoy it as well.
And now let's focus on finding this blessed airplane! :)

CourtFisher 5 Nov 2012 01:56

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Originally Posted by Gold Wing (Post 398702)
During my trip Round The World 2013 described here http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...r-2013-a-67083 I have to ship the bike from Brazil to Dakar (Senegal).
I found here on HU an address of a freight forwarder in Rio de Janeiro (Perseus - Rua dos Andradas 96 SL 304 and 305 - Centro - Rio de Janeiro - (Marcos Soares (55) 21 2108-4859) - www.perseus1.com.br), but the website is non-existent.
Does anyone have information but also other shippers between Brazil and Dakar?
thanks

No experience, but a Google search suggests, try this:
SnailTrails - Pages (2010)
-->
RIOPORT Assessoria Aduaneira (customs broker)

Paulo Baceelar
AV.Rio Branco, 135 GR 814 - Centro
20040-006 - Rio de Janeiro - RJ - BRAZIL
PH +5521-2505-9650
FAX +5521-2505-9696
DIRECT LINE +5521- 2505-9661
MOBILE +5521-97969955
paulo.bacelar@rioportaduaneira.com.br
RioPort - Assessoria Aduaneira

Above website in Portuguese & English.
You may have to CALL to get detail/ accurate info.
Lufthansa & Air France, among other airlines w/ aircargo services, may have direct aircargo service GIG (RIO)->DKR,
OR
aircargo may have to go from GIG to EU gateway before onward flight to
Dakar

Gold Wing 5 Nov 2012 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by CourtFisher (Post 399146)
No experience, but a Google search suggests, try this:
... paulo.bacelar@rioportaduaneira.com.br...

thanks of info. I just sent an e-mail :)

markharf 6 Nov 2012 02:35

There's a good reason why Courtfisher's post said to "CALL" rather than email.

Gold Wing 6 Nov 2012 07:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by markharf (Post 399287)
There's a good reason why Courtfisher's post said to "CALL" rather than email.

Why?

markharf 6 Nov 2012 18:15

Because you're far more likely to get what you need using the phone. Emails are rarely responded to. Even an email works in this specific case, you might as well get in the habit of phoning instead if you're determined to arrange everything in advance.

Probably you'll find that you need to actually show up to accomplish anything, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong about that. You sound like you know what you want and are accustomed to getting your way. This might not work very well in Latin America or Africa.

Good luck.

Mark


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