getting MOT and inspection and tax of vehicle
 

Does any one know how a Non european person, a non uk resident can get MOT and tax on a vehicle in the UK. and in nesecary other insurance.

I know I need 3rd party insurance, as a driver

I have bought a van on ebay in the UK which is soon April 2012 to run out of MOT and tax. from then it needs the inspection get get back in MOT and TAX.

you might say O contact the DVLA, well thats had to do when the DVLA website blocks any enquires from persons without a UK address and UK post codes.

So can any one point me the way to get insuranc efrom a UK based insurance agency to make a start on this.:scooter:

MOT. Take it to any MOT test centre. They are mostly busineses (not State owned) in every town, usually at workshop garages or similar facilities. Costs about GBP55. Takes about 30-40 minutes. There is no personal identity or other documentation required - anyone can take any vehicle and get it.
It iIs an annual certificate. If the existing certificate has not expired take it along and they will add to the new one any unexpired period of up to a month. If the old one (or the Tax) has expired you are permitted to use the vehicle to go to, and from, a pre-booked MOT and if it fails to go to a pre-booked repair place.

Tax. The vehicle must have a Registered Keeper who need not be the Owner nor the Driver. It can be any person or Limited Company but they must have (or provide) a physical UK address. The vehicle must have valid Tax if on any form of public road (even parked) in UK. If it has no tax it must be declared as off-road (SORN) annually. Its one or the other, tax/SORN.

Insurance. A regular problem for non-UK residents, but not impossible. There are other threads about this. Most use Internet insurance brokers.

You could ask the Seller to tax it forward for a year (and pay him the cost) if still the RK and has insurance for it. That postpones the tax problem for a year.

Are DVLA blocking you being on a non-UK IP address or just not accepting a typed-in enquiry without a physical UK address?
If the former you could try loading "Ex-Pat Shield" which assigns a temporary non-geographic IP address or a UK one (not sure which). It is normally used to be able to view on-line UK TV live, which is blocked to other countries for Rights reasons.

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Quote Insurance. A regular problem for non-UK residents, but not impossible. There are other threads about this. Most use Internet insurance brokers.

Can you advice where, this is the first problem, the second is no uk address to use as I don't intend to be in the UK very long before leaving.

I need to get MOT plus maybe inspection for old vehicle, Tax and insurance, then i will have to aply for export permit for vehicle i suppose, to take vehcle to France ( where it won't return back to the UK)

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If nothing can be done by April 2012 to sort this out this vehcle will end up SORN off road and stuck at the previous owner property.
The previous owner now does not want the vehicle or pay MOT and tax on it.

So I need to find UK based insurure that will give me a Policy (3rd party) to non Uk resident.

dvla website
 

no it is just i don't have a uk postcode that thew system will recognize.
does any one know a direct email contact to the DVLA offices

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unfortunately the seller is not prepared to put it back in his name for the road tax
insurance
and I can't get 3rd party insurance as yet because i don't have residence.
and i don't have a UK address for the tax

I find out now I also need a export permit to export the vehicle from the UK.but I need it it UK tax in my name first.:welcome:

Why do you need an export permit to get it out of the UK? You just do that on the vehicle reg doc (V5 - declare a permanant export) You don't need any permit to do that; several of us are just about to do that with bikes and all we'll do is fill in the relevant bit on the V5 and send it off to DVLA at Swansea. Job done. As far as an address goes, book a night in a hostel and use that as an address. Just use the street number ( ie put 55 The High Street rather than ' Home for the Bewildered, 55 The High Street.'

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There is no time in my planed travel to stay in the Uk any longer than just to go in and pick up the vehicle. (arrive london, travel to scotland , pick it up drive it back to the ferry port.)

Export permit, that is just what I have heard lately on other forums I have posted on about this on quite a few now.
will this V5 be approved for a non uk person.

This information I have on residency and a uk address is you arn't classes are a Uk resident until you have been there 3 to 6 months on Visa.

As I can't get a visa for the UK any type, despite paying a lot of money for various types, that makes me a tourist, so for that reason, I don't intend to be there in the UK for very long.

I have also been trying to find someone in the UK that could get all this MOT inspection (which will be due to do in April) and get the tax started again. The seller of the vehicle to me is not prepared to do this even if I pay him back, because the vehicle will still be in his name for UK Tax. for next 6 or 12 months.

I have looked at european green card insurance, but that is only for a UK taxed vehicle In tax, not for one not in Tax.

I have to get all this organized before I come to europe, I cannot afford two trips to Europe , One to organize the vehicle and then the trip.:clap:

As far as I know this can still be done the old fashioned way.

Walk into a high street insurance brokers, give the address of a hotel or the one on the V5, hand over the cash and walk out with a cover note.

Find a "no appointment" MOT place, drive in, bribe the ****wits to pass it, sorry, I mean buy new shock absorbers/wiper blades/bulbs/ash tray cleaner, drive out with the certificate.

Walk into any post office with cash and the three bits of paper (V5, cover note, MOT certificate) and walk out with the tax disc.

Ring the broker and cancel the UK insurance (they'll keep most of the premium for "administraton"), ring your German or Australian insurer and do whatever is required to get the driver cover green card extended to cover this vehicle as required. Post half the V5 back to Swansea from Calais with the Exported box ticked.

Not the cheapest way but the fastest.

Andy

You can buy a new tax disc whilst the old one is still valid. If the previous owner of the vehicle still has his old Certificate of Insurance lying around (even though he has cancelled the policy) get him to go and buy a new tax disc on your behalf now, whilst the MOT is still valid. Doesn't matter if the MOT runs out in 2 weeks time, if you go to the post office they still have to give you the tax. (It used to be easy to drive around with no MOT without getting caught).

If you're takeing the van out of the UK before the tax+mot expire, then just don't bother. Foreign police/officials *in general* don't know what you're meant to have. The exception is parts of France where lots of UK expats live.

Unless you've bought a very unique vehicle, or got an incredibly low price, then buying in Scotland looks like a massive mistake. You should have waited till something came up in the South East.

yes but can a non european / uk person do this

The information I have been told by The seller (a UK citizen) is he cannot leagally do it for me because it will still be in his/their name for UK Tax.

the problem is time, I don't have the time to hang around one or two weeks to wait for the paperwork and permits to be posted out to a tempory address.

and to me it is a very unique vehicle, and it was at a low purchase price because it is Old.
Its either hire a vehicle in the UK at over $5000 plus Australian or by a vehicle for a lower price.


No Australian insurance broker will provide insurance cover for a Vehicle overseas / UK

For the DVLA it must be a UK based insurance.

DVLA is not a helpful, user friendly organisation.

You might be yet another to be fcuked over by DVLA, their self made 'rules' mainly implemented to gather 'out of Court settlements' that offset their failing budget, and too many uninformed opinions (and I will not claim to know more for present purposes - your call!)

Half of your fears are not a problem until the expiry date of MOT and any existing Road Tax disc.

Forget the Export Permit nonsence. Someone is talking from 'down - under'!
Oops! Sorry, Cobber - no offence intended ;)

Your problems to concentrate on are getting it out of UK with -
- V5C, main details page. Not necessarily in your name, but you will need to take with you and retain for onward travels in other countries. The Seller should send it back to DVLA to get himself 'off the hook' for the vehicle.
- Insurance. As you pass the locust like plague of ANPR cameras throughout GB (I am so glad I live in one of the World's remaining Free Countries where all that Orwellian predicted state control nonsence does not exist) they instantly flag up to the operator whether the vehicle is on the Motor Insurers Bureau database and has Road Tax (but not the MOT - that takes longer for them to find).

I am not offering solutions here but showing you what you must concentrate on and what you can ignore.

Once the vehicle (and V5C) is out of UK you can in practical terms forget anything else and travel with the V5C (with a letter of authority from whoever is named as the Registered Keeper) and local insurance. But for your own financial future's sake ensure you have insurance!

Then either he's misunderstood what you're asking, or he's talking bollocks.

As mentioned in the post above, it's the registration document (in the UK the V5c, also known as the logbook) which is important. As mentioned above it doesn't have to be in your name, but I would recommend it as foreign officials will start asking extra questions if it isn't. The guy you're buying the car off will insist on transfering the registration to you, because if he didn't then you could drive through speed cameras, get parking tickets etc, and they would be sent to him.

You need some mates living in a shared house in the UK who don't give a shit what mail comes through their door. This should include any Aussies over on the obligatory 1 or 2 year working holiday visa. You give the guy selling the car this address and your name. The new registration document (v5c) gets posted to this address and has your name on it along with this address. For all purposes concerning the vehicle, you now live there. The fact that you don't live there is irrelevant. There is no such thing as officially residing at an address. We don't have this concept in the UK. You live where you say you do. Because you're immediately leaving the country, there is nothing going to be sent to you at that address of any importance apart from the v5c itself. You only need tax, MOT and UK insurance long enough to get out the UK.

I take it you're doing one of those banger rallies, probably to Mongolia? Seeing as how loads of Aussies do them every year with UK vehicles without any problems, I think that you're looking for problems that don't exist.

Catch 22
 

You have a lot of good advice and explanation here about the mess that are the UK regulations for vehicles, including the way they are implemented by computer software with hardly any recourse to humans.
A prime issue I can't see how you are dealing with is the registered keeper aspect - you say that you have already bought the vehicle, so the seller is, at the very least, wanting a UK address from you so that the V5C can be completed and he is no longer the RK, thereby no longer taking responsibility for what happens with the vehicle while on the public roads:- all the other aspects itemised here, cameras, insurance cover and the like.
The problem of using "any old" address such as a hotel or where ever is that becomes the address where the new V5C will be sent - and that takes time in the mail + the processing time at the DVLA; some weeks when they are busy.
For me this is the catch 22 issue and you can see why Brits are loath to offer their own home address as an "accommodation address" - whatever that vehicle incurs in traffic offences etc comes straight back to the registered address, sooner or later and as long as the vehicle is registered there.
Haven't you got any Aussie mates living in a flat in Earls Court who can send the V5C on to you???

Assuming you can find a solution to the above, I would just drive the vehicle to the nearest ferry port, with a pre-booked MOT test at that port (done from the phone book but you don't turn up), using minor back roads and well away from all forms of cameras.
After all you say you are not bringing the vehicle back to the UK, ever.

ps bring a set of OZ plates with you and stick them on for the UK cameras while driving to the port:thumbup1:.
But, that won't get you insurance cover doh

Of course. No ID is required, we don't have ID cards or anything like the French :blushing: :innocent::rofl:. They'll actually be so terrified of getting sued for racisim they'd sell this rubbish to a Martian. It's a tax. If you say you want to pay they'll take your money.

You can actually do the insurance on-line from an internet cafe or hotel reception, they'll mail a PDF of the cover note same day. The insurance is invalid if you lie about the address so make sure you are covered by the green card from Germany or whatever in case you do crash, this paperwork is only there to grease the wheels of the tax system if you lied to get it.

Your seller is been a PITA because if you decided to stay a few years, claim the dole, have a free Kidney transplant, go through the tax cameras over the limit, assasinate the Queen etc. he's going to get all the hassle. Facts don't worry the DVLA, if his name is on the paperwork they'll send the boys round after his cash.

I guess this vehicle is special? No chance of buying one with 6 months Tax and MOT somewhere between Heathrow and Dover?

Andy

tax
 

So do you have a Website address

Every wher I contact they don't even respond to my emails

no the vehicle isn't special, its just a vehicle, and what do you do with a vehicle DRIVE it. its not thevehicle that is the problem its the DUMB beuruacicy that says that because I am not a UK citizen. I can't drive it or get a 3rd party insurance to drive any vehicle.

i have just looked at Direct gov. DVLA and it suggests I don't need a gren card insurance for Western European countrys.

I am still looking for a UK based company that will provide 3rd party insurance to a non resident.

Try this thread for ideas about green card ins for Europe; after all the UK is still in Europe:-
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...et-cheap-34822

When I lived on the continent I insured my UK vehicle via an insurance broker over there; that was years ago when UK insurers were not used to providing green card cover for longer than a two week touring holiday to Europe.


Also, you could take a look at this UK insurer, but I think they will want you to have a UK driving licence and have an address in the UK:-
Fast, Low Cost Online Insurance From eInsurance Group
They work exclusively online and will not deal with you by telephone which can be a complete PITA.

Not much I can add to this apart from agree with the above.

The UK insurance industry and DVLA do NOT recognise the concept of 'non-resident', although the insurance cos do get upset if you don't have a UK/EU driving licence. For the purposes of things like income tax or immigration status - it's different.

You give a drop-box address to get the V5 into your name and you get the vehicle MOT'd. Simultaneously you use the drop-box address to get a 3rd party insurance policy (which you don't need to show proof of MOT or road tax for and which DOES give you 3rd party aka Green Card cover for up to 60 days elsewhere in the Green Card area (the EU plus other countries in the Green Card scheme)). When the V5 arrives, you take it, the MOT and the insurance doc to your nearest post office and buy a tax disc. Then you drive to Dover, you get on the ferry, you drive across the EU and exit it within 60 days. At that point, if you want to re-register the vehicle somewhere new you declare it permanently exported or, if you want it to keep its home of registration as the UK so that you don't want to mess about with re-registering the vehicle somewhere new, you SORN the vehicle. You may also want to consider cashing in the unexpired proportion of the road tax at this point, although not sure how that will work if you don't have a UK bank a/c.

Alternatively, once you have got the V5 into your name at the drop-box address and taken out 3P insurance, if you're not a UK citizen and don't ever want to live there you could take a chance on driving the vehicle straight to Dover and onto a ferry without MOT or road tax. Others on this forum may have a clearer idea of the likelihood of you getting stopped and the vehicle impounded by ANPR-equipped police on the way (think that's more likely with no insurance), otherwise all that will happen is a series of fines (and bailiffs, eventually!) turning up at the drop-box address after you're long-gone.

Agree with the other comments about the seller being a PITA though. A lot of buyers would have simply walked away from someone who is seemingly refusing to budge on anything.

Good luck!

Might help!
 

Here's a google search based on "non resident car insurance uk"

non resident car insurance uk - Google Search

& one or two particular links from tbe above:-

Car Insurance for Non UK Residents

Car Insurance UK Cheap Deals

http://www.superquote.com/foreign-li...nal-insurance/

getting MOT and Road tax
 

Thanks for all the Replys, comments, answers, I take it that most of this information comes from a GB person perpective of the vehicle Licencing and insurance In GB

I think I may have found someone that can provide me with a Uk adress for documentation.
But that is only less than 1/ 3rd off the poblem, The biggest is this beleif in the UK that a person not licenced in the UK, would not be able to Drive successfully without insident in The UK, I mean your taffic is bad but, howbad it, that a driver any driver couldn't do it. Obvoiusly your country Driving licence and a international Driving permit mean nothing ( although I will have to renew this very soon)

Insurance to drive, well this is what I call 3rd party insurance, Not insurance for yourself, but insurance for any one else on the road in case of a accident.
I still ask the question Why is it only a UK resident can have this.
I have contacted many insurance companys over the last 2 weeks or so and some of they won't even answer my emails. This just tells me That they don't want to do business and make money.


European Green card, I have looked into this, but it is no good for driving in the UK to take the vehicle out of the UK, Once on the European contient yes I can put this vehicle in Insurance cover for the road.


Thanks for the search engine links , But I have done them all, every turn I make their is another UK brick wall their saying residency or residency and Uk licence or watever. or even just residency with money.

This just tells me the Uk is not interesed in the traveler. particulaaly one like me that was mearly using the UK as a starting point or a short or long journey.

People are doing these very types of trips all the Time, either with motor bikes for this forum or with vehcles, there would have been people from all round the world have done this before.
I just wonder weather the motorcycle rider is getting the same treatment.

I have a drivers licence, but this does not allow me to drive a vehicle in the UK. 6 or 7 hours to drive it to a ferry port.

MOT and tax
 

Just to answer the question on ownership

at this stage I still don't have tille to the vehicle, the seller hasn't signed the forms a yet to transfer title.

But if their is no chance of getting 3rd party insurance , then their is no point continuing.

I still don't know the procedure to go about getting this Tax disc document that most say can just me bought from the post office.
What I have been told is I can't get this until I have a Insurance policy in force. Is this correct or can anybody else do this.

Ultimately now I have probably lost the vehicle and another $2000 or so If I can't get to the UK to sort in out, and there appears to be no way I can do this ONLINE (WEB) and pay online what is needed, paticully in the insurance policy areas. I can't even find a online application form for this.
Insurance policy.

The problem for me it is not a vehicle from somewhere else going to EUROPE, It is a Vehicle from GB going into the European continent.

Importing a vehicle from overseas into europe No problem, Green card insurance using exsisting rego or road tax.

Thanks to rory 799 I might just be finding some answers to this, but still got a bit of away to go tho.

A few comments and replies shown here!!

More thoughts :D

Not so.
A 'full age' visitor who has a foreign Drivers Licence is permitted to drive similar classes of vehicles in UK on it for a limited period (I forget if it is 6 months or a year). After this period it must either be surrendered/exchanged for a UK equivalent or if issued by countries where Test Standards are not considered by DVLA to be sufficiently rigid (ie. can be bought, as where I am!) you must take the UK tests.

AND, you don't even have to show your driving licence to get the tax disc at a post office or online - that thing you are so worried about. That aspect is taken into account by the insurance companies who will want to know about the fact that you have one and all the rest of the information about your age and similar factors when you apply for insurance.

For background information, this linking of databases on various computer records developed relatively recently (as in the last few years) with the insurance records being linked to the DVLA - up until then there were any amount of fiddles going on that resulted in uninsured vehicles being used on the roads - even now, some insurance companies estimate that up to 10% of vehicles on the UK roads are not insured - hence you could probably get to a ferry terminal as discussed earlier if you don't actually care about bringing that vehicle back here ------- buy the vehicle with a valid tax disc/MOT and still covered by the current owners' insurance (in the latter case for a day or two) - that takes care of all the ANPR cameras which don't who is actually at the wheel - and high-tail it to the ferry. When the V5c is received at your accommodation address you just need that to be forwarded to you, where ever you are by then.
The outcome then is that you have a UK registered vehicle overseas and without insurance cover, but that is a whole different topic.

You will only need the V5C for certain when entering/leaving the EU or Schengen zone from/to a non member country, although in theory ......stuff theory, you've tried to do it correctly and DVLA is predictably being the least user-friendly and the most unhelpful public body in UK (more so than even the Tax people)!

Another solution could be to transport the vehicle on a trailer or lorry and unload it once on the port's own land. This does not have to be southern England. There are ferries from various ports along the east coast, sailing to various ports on mainland Europe, mainly Scandinavia. There are certainly some from Newcastle which is close to Scotland - possibly from ports in Scotland also.

For Insurance, you could try www.stuartcollins.com
They are insurance brokers who specialise in insurance for UK registered vehicles (not motos) that spend much time outside UK, elsewhere in EU.

An important point to remember is in UK, to legally own a vehicle it does not have to be Registered in your name. As Owner you have what they call an 'Insurable Interest' and you can insure it, even without the Registered Keeper having yet received the V5C - subject to meeting Insurer's other requirements (age, valid licence, claims record, offences record, etc).

Dave wrote. ............................... I believe it does, but I am kind of loosing track of what you want to achieve. As per earlier, if you are just driving this vehicle to the port to export it and never bring it back to the UK then why bother with an MOT? So with a UK accommodation address, you have cracked it!!!!

If the Ford Transit Van that I have bought doesn't have MOT inspection done and is in Road Tax well how is it a legal vehicle to drive in France on its UK number plates.

No I will have to get the MOT, and The TAX disc plus the insurance , then probably more insurance for France. Its not made easy.

I need all this done by sombody else before I travel.

my itinary would be flight in to Paris, then get over to UK London.ASAP.

travel Trains and Buses to Scotland. Pick up vehicle, fuel up and supplys etc en route to Folkstone, or Harwich ferry port. trying to keep off the major highways etc, if I can't get insurance and Mot and tax sorted in my name. then I still have to now weather it need a export. I fought a UK plated vehicle could just travel to the european continent without forms. etc

yes I have found someone that can give be a postal address, but I still don't have the Insurance down yet. Why are the insurance company being so difficult. I need to get it all done online and paid online before I travel.
every online company I have looked at don't have online facilitys.

The seller has kindly stored this vehicle for me for the last 6 months at a low charge. but he won't let me drive it without insurance while the MOT and Tax is still in his name. And he has said he can't pay it and then transfer it to me. (he says that can't be done)

so I found a address so far

European Green card, I have looked into this, but it is no good for driving in the UK to take the vehicle out of the UK, Once on the European contient yes I can put this vehicle in Insurance cover for the road.

dave
The green card insurance I have found with a insurer in Germany Knop Tours, my contact with them (STEFAN) by email, they suggest that it won't cover me for travel in the UK, it is only for the European continent countrys in the situation were the vehicle is imported into the EU from other Countrys, Ie a Australian motor bike, which ias there area of specialist insurance for travels on motor bikes.

So I take it from what I have been told, this would be ok for Europe but not to pick up the vehicle in the UK. I would prefer not to have to pay for two different policys for the same thing.

I'll just have see what my helper can find, and wht it might or might not cover. Uk and EU etc.

Thank you all

Tony, I have already found out from my communication with the DVLA UK that my Australian Driving Licence C class (a vehicle up to 4.5 Ton) won't transfer over to a UK C1 licence (vehicle 3.5 ton to 7.5 ton)

This Ford Transit being a small bus is border line 3.5 ton So it should be classed as a B class licence. I hope.

I am told that it is under 3.5 t.
I really don't need to get stopped for having the wrong type of licence catagory.

anyway I can't just keep talking about it here I will just have to see what I can get and what it will cost $$$ for the insurance MOT and tax etc

Thank you all

warrigal

Road tax is only required when using the vehicle on Public Roads in UK. MOT is also a 'local' requirement.

If you have insurance in any EU member state it must by EU law cover you in all other EU states.


Forget Export. We covered this with you ages ago.

Travelling in Europe you should have the Registration Document (V5C) and proof of insurance but you will not be asked to show anything while moving between EU countries - unless you get stopped by Police for some reason.

It is nothing to do with him if you drive it with or without MOT.
It is nothing to do with him if you drive it with or without Tax as long as he has notified DVLA of the transfer of Registered Keeper.
These would be your problems, not his.
If the vehicle has Tax and MOT these can be passed over to any new owner - they are 'personal' and specific to the vehicle, not the owner.


Forgive me for being blunt, but I feel you are just going round in circles and not getting to solving anything.

If you are up to buying a vehicle off Ebay half way round the World, you really ought to have known first how to go about it and what you are getting yourself in for. Sadly you did not. But accepting you are where you are (figuratively), a number of people here have been trying to assist you with information and ideas.

I have not read on this thread any wrong bit of advice or bad suggestion to getting out of your difficulty (accepting ignoring some UK regulations) but you seem to want to keep introducing various new wrong stuff you have "heard or been told".
At some point people here will get tired of repeating things.

Huge thread here http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ong-term-39472
try my post number 89 on page 6 . Says it all really about most of your queries.

Although inter-dependant on each other to some extent, I strongly suggest you clearly separate and understand each issue in your own mind and then decide to deal with or ignore each one as you choose - MOT - Tax - Registered Keeper - Insurance - Driving Licence - V5C - using vehicle outside UK.

The only thing that MUST happen is the present Registered Keeper will want to come off the DVLA register - he can only do that by putting someone else on (ignoring scrapping and exporting it himself). Other than that it is all down to you.

The time is near to "either sh1t or get off the pot" as the Americans so quaintly put it.

Good luck.

What started out as a van has become a Transit (still a van but larger than a car based van) and now a bus and possibly in another weight category?
I am not up on Classes although I thought all transits were below weight limits and could be driven with a car driving licence. In my businesses we had quite a few of them - LWB, extra height, double axles, etc - always the guys only required car licences. We even had Aussie and NZ drivers! Although this was all a few years back.

An exception possibly could be as you now call it a 'small bus'. It may have been registered as a PSV (Public Service Vehicle) instead of a PLG (Private & Light Goods) which may have other requirements. It may also need special Test and Inspection certificates other than the usual MOT for cars and light vans.
Again, I may be a bit out of date with terminology!

(My previous post was written before seeing your one here, but still applies)

The seller has said it is clasiffied as a PIG, and it is now a light goods vehicle not a BUS, so it should be under 3.5 ton.

even with some help , I still have no quotes for insurnace as yet.

And as I have said before there is no time to archive all this on my arrival in the UK.

So at this point in time only one month away from travel time, I still have no title to the vehicle, Because I have no insurance, policy so title can be transfered.
I still have the problem with the coming MOT inspection April, and just getting away with not getting it done is not a situation I am prepared to take a chance on.

Then there is paying the next tax which I assume is dependant on the MOT inspection.

so uk address.

I will see what my helper can come up with but everwhere I have looked turned and tryed online, they can't accomodate me, to Pay online with credit.

FFS..... SEPARATE THE ISSUES and deal with each in turn.

TAX.
Your opening post said "I have bought a van on ebay in the UK which is soon April 2012 to run out of MOT and tax. from then it needs the inspection get get back in MOT and TAX."

Tax belongs to the vehicle, not the Owner nor the Registered Keeper.
Unless the Seller cancels it for a refund (to get a bigger refund he would have done it 6 months ago is when you said you bought it) it just passes on with the vehicle just as much as does any petrol in the tank.

It would always run out at the end of a month - 30 April if what you say in Post No 1 is correct.

So tax is not a problem as you say you are coming to collect it in a months time. That gives you over 10 weeks (less a day) from now to collect it and get it out of the UK.

Once not on UK Public Roads it does not require TAX (but you should SORN it or declare it permanantly exported - see below)
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Next issue -

MOT.
MOT is identified to the vehicle, not any Owner. The piece of paper should just be handed over with the keys. Nothing else to do.

As above, you say it expires in April. This can be any date in April - we don't know which. Even so, you have a minimum of 6 weeks (less a day) of MOT before it runs out (possibly up to 10weeks less a day) and you are coming in a month's time.

If it runs out near the start of April this is not an immediate problem as you have the Tax. MOT databases are not immediately linked to roadside ANPR checks (yet!) unlike Tax and Insurance. Any penalty would be small and not restrict your journey unless a Police Officer then and there issues you with a Notice declaring the vehicle unsafe.

As with Tax, MOT is only necessary if the vehicle is used on UK Public Roads.
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Next issue-

REGISTERED KEEPER.
If you have an address, as you now say you have, get the seller to -
-complete your name & address on Part 6 of his V5C.
-copy a scan of your signature, or do something like it, in your signature section on Part 8.
-remove Section 10 to keep to give to you.
-send it off to DVLA today.

The self imposed DVLA target for sending a new V5C is 4 weeks so it should be waiting for you when you arrive.

You then have a document that you can use to take the vehicle into practically every other country in the World.
END OF !

Next issue-

DVLA.
By end April you will have the vehicle (out of UK), with you as its Registered Keeper and with V5C that will enable your travels elsewhere.

The tax expires and so you should then renew it (if using it on UK Public Roads) or make a SORN declaration (you can do it on-line if you have the V5C with you). That SORN runs out a year later and should be renewed then.

Longer term you will want to get off the Register. You do this by signing are returning Part 11 (Notification of permanent Export) or write telling them you have broken up the vehicle and no longer have it (as described in the very final paragraph on the new style pink V5C).
END OF !

Next issue-

DRIVING LICENCE.
As I said before, you are permitted to drive in UK on a Foreign Licence for a good few months - at least 6.
I believe you can drive PLG vehicles up to a declared unladen weight of 3.5 tons on a Car Licence (non automatic).
You check this out.
END OF !

Next issue-

INSURANCE.
The link I gave you should be able to sort this out, as can many others. Many on-line insurers, for ease of quick business, do not like anything unusual that requires more thought or effort on their part.

Keep trying and don't alert them to what you see are potential problems. Keep it simple yet correct.
You would have a UK Address and be Owner and Registered Keeper of a UK Registered Vehicle. No real problem other than cost due to lack of driving claims history. It can be done online with some Brokers who even issue Documents and Certificate of Insurance on line.

Any insurance MUST include minimum levels of insurance required by Law throughout EU (plus Norway, Switzerland & little bits more). The Certificate of Insurance will be acceptable proof by all Police there.
If going outside EU there will be facilities at or near the border to purchase local insurance.

This is what you have to organise yourself but outside that -
END OF !


I hope this is the end of the thread other than to see a post in April saying "SORTED!".
__________________________________________________ __________

:offtopic:To other HUBBers - unless I am glaringly incorrect, don't divert the thread with relatively insignificant detail of little practical consequence.
The guy needs to be pushed into believing, not frightened off.
He also needs to tell the Seller to stop w4nking him about with false info!
Encourage him. I'm exhausted!

I'm impressed with that multi-quote skill! How off topic is that??

Seriously, I agree - the seller of this van is not helping at all and you, the purchaser, need to be much firmer (a polite word here) with what you want him to do; as Tony says, he is jerking you around or he genuinely has no idea what he is talking about.
I'll say it one more time, because the van has current MOT/RFL he could insure it under his name (at your cost) for, say, a month so you can drive it out of the UK past the cameras.

I totally endorse the idea of getting out of the UK asap; check out ferry routes from Newcastle, NE England, and Hull, also nearish to NE England. It may be that one or more ferry companies are running out of the Firth of Forth (Edinburgh) by then - some do for the summer season.
No one within the EU wants to see your vehicle documents unless you draw attention to yourself.
ps Don't forget to bring that set of Oz plates with you as a plan B.

Yep - sums it up (although I know you meant to write PLG). Have just dropped back in on this thread after a few days away - some very entertaining exchanges and peevish posts since I dropped in my 2-pennoth.

As was previously said - there are plenty of ppl driving around the UK with licences from elsewhere and I am sure they aren't ALL illegal despite what the Daily Fail would like us to believe, so it must be possible to get 3rd party UK insurance (which WILL give you 3rd party cover elsewhere in the EU - end of) without a UK driving licence.

To much info
 

Hi folks
I'm afraid WARRIGAL 1 is getting his nickers in a knot with all this info (all good by the way)
He seems to have a knack for answering questions that aren't asked.doh
I've suggested he leaves all the paperwork to me.
I've done this sort of thing before:smartass:

With a bit of help from me and fellow HUBBERs we will get him on his way.
I supose that's what the HUBB is all about.:thumbup1:

Rory

Maybe this helps with the insurance issue?
eCar - Short Term Policy
(I notice that no-one has mentioned expensive UK insurance will be if he has to take out a years policy).

I did say in Post 36 above the possible high cost.
I was assuming once he has found and bought insurance it would be for a year and on/if finally leaving the EU, would cancel and get a refund for the unexpired period.

I saw short term insurance as an added complication for him to cope with!

It is also very expensive on comparable cost per day and only for up to 28 days - he is indicating wanting cover while going about the EU, presumably for a long time.


There are other providers of 'short term car insurance' (enter that on Google UK).
When taking my UK registered car into Finland or Latvia for very short trips (I have a local Russian insurance policy here but that does not cover use outside of Russia) I use
https://www.tempcover.com/Short-term-car-insurance.aspx

It cost me about £20 per day compared with an annual premium of about £400 back in UK for me in the same car.

Uk MOT and Tax
 

The Biggest problem here is this belief in The UK or EU Driving Licence perception.

I have contacted many Insurance Companys in GB now, and ultimately there is the Same, response, You Must has a UK or EU Driving Licence, and there response to me on this was, When you are prepared to comply with this then please contact us back.

So I have someone that is prepare to provide a GB address, but this is just not enough, for insurance perposes.

I have tryed to get a uk work visa for residence, after paying $1300 Australian dollars for this. I am just TOLD by the UK , No you can't get a visa becuse I am too Old and I don't have a university education.

So I have no Legal Residence

Without a UK or EU Driving Licence, I cna;t get insurance to DRIVE

So unless someone cn provide a insurance company that doesn't have this expectation, ther is nothing more I can do.

I cannot get a UK or EU licence.

Warrigal, I am sure you are a charming and entertaining guy, kind to kids, parents and animals - but you really do stretch me to the limits of human tolerance ....

As Rory suggested "too much information" is your biggest problem.doh

Stop looking for problems! I said "Keep it simple yet correct"


Apply a bit on Lord Admiral Horatio Nelson's technique!:rolleyes2:
If they taught you about him at school.

I am telling you you can drive in UK and EU on your Licence - check it out on DirectGov. :smartass:

Once you accept that you can then just answer 'Yes' to the question if you have a Licence to drive in UK/EU. You do!!!!! It is just not a UK one.

BE FLEXIBLE

Better still, just PM Rory (whom I have never met or communicated with) and trust him completely - I would in your shoes. As he said HUBB is about helping each other. And have I tried...?
[Dear Lord, protect me from myself if ever I meet Warrigal! :hang: ]

Better to stay out of Russia - it is a very small country compared with yours!

I see what you were saying Tony!!
Over to you Rory.

So what is the solution, Pick up the vehicle in Scotland and drive it in the UK with no Insurance or TAX

Thats what some here have been saying, And it won't/ dosn't matter.

Are you purposely not reading what people are saying ?

I and others have spent quite a bit of time in trying to help. The answers are there but you haven't taken any 'on board'.

Rory has offered to deal with it all - you probably haven't even contacted him.

All you have done is keep bleating on about your 'problem' that mainly doesn't exist.


OK. Go and wallow in your own self-induced, problem seeking, negativity.

It is far more than you deserve, but I wish you good luck.

I will not be posting on this thread again. Good bye.

Fine for Him sitting with his UK and EU driving Licence.

Hi

Thanks for the enquiry.

Im afraid we wouldn't be able to help you with your enquiry. We are only able to offer motor insurance for full, permanent UK residents.
Adrian Flux Insurance Services East Winch Hall East Winch Kings Lynn Norfolk PE32 1HN

Thank you for your email.

However we cannot provide this cover for you.

We do not provide cover for non UK residents and we do not offer third party cover either at this time.

Apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Thank you for your email.

We can only provide quotes for people that live in the UK for 6 months a year and have a valid UK or EU driving licence.

If you meet these requirements, please go online to our website and obtain a quote.

So what ever can be found in insurance, its a pretty sure thing, their will be the same stiplications, adresss, residence, UK or EU driving licence

even if TONY says O no thats not right

Update
 

Hi folks.
I thought I should give people an update.
Warrigal 1 (Geoff) has been intouch with me for about a week.

I have supplied him with an insurance quote about £250.:thumbup1:
At present I am trying to get intouch with the bloke in the UK that sold him the van. :detective:
I've tried to search for the address on the internet but it dosent show up . also the name and address dont show up in the phone book. The phone number he has been given is for a call centre in Poole.:thumbdown:

To Geoff and other wouldbe travelers - If you are going to travel Europe or anywhere, you are going to have to adopt a can do attitute. If you look for problems, you will find them.

So Geoff "keep the faith" and we will have you roaming the fleshpots of Europe in no time. :wave:

Rory:mchappy:

What a strange "Alice in wonderland" thread this is!
 

Regarding this, I have been trying to explain that such activity does go on in the UK. As a plan B you could also take this "route" in order to get out of the UK and on the road - all on the basis that the vehicle would never return to the UK. Plan B would be even more feasible on a set of Australian plates, but I am not going into a long story of why this would workout in terms of cameras, ANPR blah blah, because you keep coming back with irrelevant negativity.

Good stuff Rory.
Please confirm which insurance company/broker has provided the quote, just for the record. I have placed a link to this thread within the sticky thread that has dealt with this subject over an even longer duration:-
Trip Paperwork - The HUBB

FWIW, I couldn't help but return to this thread because I have just received my own annual car insurance renewal, which reminds me that anyone over the age of 25 can drive my car on my insurance provided that they hold a licence for that vehicle type; it doesn't say that the licence must be issued in the UK.

I've noticed also that nearly all those who have responded to this thread are primarily :mchappy: riders; you would think by now that someone from the 4 wheel world would have joined in - there again, we have probably all got a set of 4 wheels as well.

One day, it will be good to hear about a happy ending but I don't like the sound of what you have discovered about the seller of this van. :funmeterno:

I've been reading this thread with fascination. I get frustrated trying to explain the same situation in relation to the 50 different states in the USA, but this thread makes what we've got to deal with sound simple and straightforward. The apparent fact that the whole vehicle sale was a scam from the start makes a nice surprise ending (although in retrospect the signs were obvious all along, and it explains a few otherwise-inexplicable loose ends).

Hope everybody makes it out with their sanity intact.

Mark

Yeah, the whole thing looks half-baked, starting from the bit about someone from Oz buying a Transit - hardly that rare a vehicle - all the way up in Scotland rather than in the South East ie near to a ferry port and then moving on to the seeming intransigence of the seller - which now makes sense.

Hope the OP gets his ££ back from Ebay.

It's easy when you know how
 

The system in the UK is simple - not perfect, but simple.
When everyone in the "deal" dose there part, transfer of ownership takes mins.
But when people are disengenous - well :9898: happens.

And as far as making it out with my sanity intact -
I'll let others make that judgement :taz: :hammer: :eek3: :w00t: :lol2: :eek: :tongue_smilie: :p :drool:

Thank God for beer
Rory

What's the e-bay scam? Something that might get someone else?

Maybe I'm just not cut out to be a criminal mastermind but I can't see how this works.

Glad it seems to be getting sorted though.

Andy

sale
 

And what is exactly the Scam involved in the Vehicle SALE,

The seller Listed the vehicle For SALE, I contacted the discussed the idea of buying the vehicle for that type of trip needed.

The seller agreeded to this, provided storage for the vehicle. fpr the time until the trip.

He then agreed to sell the vehicle to me at the Ebay Auction price,
and I have paid the $1500 pounds for it.

So why is a Country the United Kingdom is stopping me from Driving it leagally, and getting Insurance on that vehicle.


Just to Bring everyone one here that seems to stick there nose into this thread, the insurance is FAR from finallized as when I go to pay it online, I can't make the payment, Blocked ,there must be some sort of information missing in the claim. Could be a Phone number listing ( NOT a UK phone number)

please contact the agent to sort this out (UK phone number)

until the insurance starts , we can't move onto the MOT and Tax

Again a country the United Kingdom making it dificult to any one that is not in thier country.

If this was just about a Motor bike, There wouldn't be this hassle.

Bike riders generally don't hang around in one place for very long.

Rory. I have tryed to PAY the insurance three times Now and it won't go though Online.

I'll email you back on this.

This thread is becoming laughable. Either that, or it's some sort of elaborate ploy sponsored by a well-known but anonymous pharmaceutical company to boost demand for its blood pressure-control medication. doh

You post up a problem asking for help and then, when people spend quite a lot of time and effort (especially Rory) trying to help you, you not only disregard their advice and invent things that weren't there before but now also accuse them of sticking 'there' nose into this thread.

Maybe a possible clue is that, according to Rory, the seller has given a duff address and a phone number almost as far from Scotland as possible. :detective: And here you are asking what is meant by a scam?! :wheelchair:

You said in an earlier post that one of the reasons you wouldn't be able to get UK residency was because you didn't have a university degree - forgive me for my complete lack of surprise on that one!!


And it's now the fault of the UK that you're in this situation, is it? David Cameron and the Queen have personally intervened to stop you driving here? Nothing to do with you being scammed over the internet, or you not heeding advice that you've asked for. I wonder whether it would be any easier to arrange insurance etc from abroad if I was planning to fly into Australia to collect a vehicle.

And I can think of a lot of places less tolerant than the UK where a post like yours would get the p1ss taken out of it - and the OP - a lot more than than this!!

Anyway, I do hope you have paid the 'seller' via PayPal and not directly. That way you at least stand some chance of getting your £1500 back.

All sorted
 

I spoke to the seller today, he seems a very helpfull bloke.:thumbup1:
The van is sitting at his place waiting to be picked up.:thumbup1:
He is sending the docs on to me today.:thumbup1:
It has an MOT for several months :thumbup1:
but the road tax ran out in November.:(

I have recieved a favorable quote for insurance :thumbup1:
so it should be plain sailing from now on.:D

Now I need a drinkjeigerjeigerjeiger

Rory

Eh?! Well what was the story about the wrong address and phone number?

Update
 

As I said'
I could not find it on Google search, Google earth, BT Phone Book, Directory enquiries.
Finaly got intouch with seller through ebay.
The telephone number was an Insurance Call Centre given by the seller to WARRIGAL to help him with getting insurance. But WARRIGAL thought it was the sellers contact no.

So things seem to be working out:thumbup1:
Rory

Well, maybe I need to amend my post in the light of that. I merely posted according to what the situation looked like - as did others.

No prob mate, we can only act on the info we have at the time.
As I could only act on the info I got from WARRIGAL. as he saw it.
As we all know there always two sides to every story and the trouth often lies somewhere in between.


Rory:thumbup1:

Or slightly above of, followed by a right turn of 73.5 degrees and then back towards via a twisting half-turn, whereupon we emerge hopelessly lost and exclaim "I was only following my satnav"

So you've been there before aswell doh


Rory:thumbup1:

I thought I would stick my nose in here again, :rofl:, and see how things are today - well done Rory, got to say you are bringing some clarity & shedding some light on the earlier murk.

Please don't do any amendments - subsequent posts do not always make sense when earlier text is either changed or completely deleted (or a combination of both); what's written is written works best, unless you are a moderator of course. :nono:

Why are you all talking about this on a open public forum, I thought all this had to be done Hush Hush, with the non address thing.

I am trying to follow rorys instructions on this , but nothing is happening very quickly.

I am sufficiently infuriated by this comment to 'come out of retirement'.

Both you and I (and others) know Rory has been working very hard on your behalf to get you out of your pickle - both as reported on this thread and 'behind the scenes'.

Since my departure from this thread I have exchanged a number of Emails with Rory (and with another HUBBer from here) with the sole aim of assisting you.

We all knew there would be very little chance of the slightest word of thanks from you. But you must be a very sick person to complain from your position and what you have achieved, compared with that which Rory has put together (at some personal cost and inconvenience).

All you can do is criticise. All you have done throughout is complain. Who got you into this ? Certainly not us.

I find you a quite unacceptable, ungrateful person. I hope you do not represent any other of your fellow countrymen.

Maybe an Aussie or two following this thread will correct me or disown you.

One of us must be wrong!

hee hee -I am the other hubber referred to, and have been ccd in on relevant emails. 'Plonker on the Hubb' I think is 1 term used.

Am beginning to think that the (copious) amount of help given to you, esp with the conspicuous lack of gratitude, puts you firmly in the 'charity case' category. Well, that or the 'Overlanding For Special Needs' one.

ps - love the mention of 'Hush Hush' - sounds like something out of 'Boys Own Paper' or Enid Blyton's 'Five Find-Outers And Dog' from the 1950s!!

Well Rory did say for me to not do anything about the insurance situation, untill the transfer of title could take place.

O and if you don't know what the HUSH Hush is, well that is, I am not actually in GB at present, so therefore I am not a resident for MOT and TAX. purposes.

Grateful for Rory s work on this, you have all been, along with Rory talking about this on a open public forum. And you don't think that would make me angry.

Rory has just emailed me and said don't do anything yet. umtil the tranfer go,s though to his address.

This is something rory offered to do for me and it has nothing to do with any one else here, So I would appreacite it if you didn't talk about it openlyon this forum, because it could stuff up my chances of getting UK based insurance. something that the UK will only accept, There is no other way to get this insurance.

The green card insurance I got aquote is only valid for the European continent, Not GB.

FFS...................(again)

Read back and this time round, learn.

As in earlier posts - MOT has nothing to do with a person - it is purely vehicle specific. That is no personal information - anyone can take it there and have it tested (by trailer if not driven by an insured driver).

Then why did you come back here complaining that what Rory is doing is taking too long !


FFS...................(yet again)

Read back and this time round, learn.

As in earlier posts - if you get UK insurance the 'Certificate of Insurance' is an automatic Green Card equivalent accepted by all Police in all of EU plus Switzerland and Norway.
When leaving EU you buy local insurance at the border - there are alweays facilities to do this.


Despite a very long thread you appear to have even less idea than when it started yet imagining even more problems that IF YOU READ AND LEARN do not exist - except in your closed mind.

Agree with all the long-suffering Tony has said, plus would add that you don't need to be resident for (road) tax purposes, just like you don't for MOT purposes.

As for the matters which are supposed to be hush hush, maybe its best if you don't explain on the open public forum why you wanted them to be hush hush doh

God bless you Rory, for your patience alone.
 

I'm still :rofl:
Got to love this Alice in Wonderland thread and all who post in here.

That doesn't change the facts of course, as well explained herein ----------- how many times now??????????

Absolutely, poor Rory must be feeling like he's morphed from a HUBB-er into a care worker!!

Worse to come ..... he probably will have to meet this dude.

That will require self-control beyond the call of duty.

This thread is becoming my daily entertainment. I am awaiting the next chapter in this soap opera. :clap:

It might be ending for me...

There was a siren outside and I saw some men in white coats get out of an ambulance and look up at my window.

Now there is a knocking at the door ....

Indeedy, and he hasn't even reached the UK yet. Something tells me this comedy of errors (or farce, more like) is far from over!

Yes, I'm wondering how well the OP will cope with visas, border crossings, carnets, dodgy Police etc. It should be an interesting story. :cool4:

Probably wise to check back twice a day now; there is growing interest in this subject, and the story has barely started.

:scooter:'cos there's nothing for a transit van.

SSSssssh. Some of those very dodgy police and border officials might be reading this thread right now :oops2::rofl:

Look on the bright side, if there is one thing certain to put an end to this sort of silliness and panic because stuff doesn't go through on line via sites designed for people who live there it's a few border crossings in Africa or the Stans. I wish the guy well.

Andy

I think 'Hush Hush' is the word you were looking for. This is an open public forum, remember!!

What a bouch of ****N idiots, I think, the situation is being dealt with. and you don't have to know the facts about it.

This Forum THE HUBB, must be related to UK Natives, same types of BASTARDS on it.

Woah! Touchy today.
I have just posted a longish input to the subject of EU and UK insurance over here:-

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-10#post369398
You might like to contribute your experiences with this, but I would suggest that you wait until you are experienced in the subject - perhaps when your van is V5c'd, MOT'd, taxed (RFL) and insured, and you are on the road.
Rory is going to do all of this for you, we understand, although it is quite hard at times to understand why.
............................................ EDIT: To be accurate, Rory is dealing with the "catch 22" (my earlier words) of providing a UK address for the Registered Keeper (RK) requirement. I have referred to this as catch 22 because thereafter it is just a case of putting up cash and personal time for both the Road Fund Licence (road tax) and the annual Ministry of Transport (MOT) test of road worthiness - neither of these two aspects is related to the RK/owner of the vehicle but are totally related to the vehicle itself.
As has been said previously, anyone can do this but, of course, it is usually the owner/RK who has sufficient interest in the vehicle to want this to take place. An alternative to having a UK vehicle taxed and MOT'ed for use on the highway is to declare it as offroad i.e. stored, or even in use, on private land; this is known as SORN = Statutory Off Road Notification (I think I recall!!).
This edit is posted here in response to a PM that has pointed out to me that Rory is doing the key requirement concerning the address and he is not necessarily doing the other, arguably minor work (but it has associated costs and expenditure of personal time), that is described here (again)......................... EDIT Ends.

Anyway, that is just a suggestion to help out those who follow in your footsteps.

BTW, IMO the HUBB is pretty international in both those who hang out here and the subject matter; there are many other websites that are parochial, inward looking and do not tolerate views that are not in accord with the mainstream members of those sites.

Something does come to mind, as it is the 29th Feb today; how old are you?

Interesting to note that you come from QLD. Redneck country, eh? (with apols to anyone else on the HUBB also from there but who hasn't posted comments like the above)

I thought Warrigal was an area in Melbourne - Victoria not Queensland.
(or is this Hush-Hush?)

Maybe I should do a Google search to find out

Time to close it.
 

This thread has, so far, provided good quality information, frustration, amusement (and some far less worthy comments) for 1,500 viewers from all around the World. But behind it is, in my view, someone who has sadly got out of his depth in some way. The time is now to be serious (again).

My guess is -
Warrigal was browsing EBay one night and came across this van (mini-bus, whatever – even a Camper Van he called itwhen hi-jacking a thread about hitch hiking!). It must have seemed to him, where he lives, a real bargain that sparked an instant dream and mesmerised with it all, he pressed the “BUY” button.

That was 6 months ago. Since then I have no idea of what more he has planned and prepared of ‘his trip’, if anything. Certainly there is nothing from him on HUBB asking about countries, traffic rules, documentation, vehicle requirements, routes, accommodation, fuel, costs, permissions, visas, currencies, equipment, spares, carnets, availabilities or anything like that – or even anything at all.

Since falling for a dream, the cold light of day probably dawned, possibly with other realisations of its impossibility for him at present for whatever personal circumstance, be they funds, time, work etc. Now is he looking to save face among his pals, work mates and colleagues? Trying to justify to them why he is not doing it and at the same time finding someone else to blame and vent his anger at, having impetuously paid £1,500 and got himself into this mess? So far the anger is at those offering suggestions, even the UK itself, and complaining about delay of the most active, constructive helper - but never any suggestion of himself.

There almost certainly was no realistic journey planned – just a dream. I also think the attitude, swearing and abuse is pure frustration coming from not knowing how to come to terms with himself.

I don’t seek to rub it in. But to find solutions you first need to accept the problem. I am leading to closing the matter for him.

Well, Warrigal – how to get out from under ?

I suggest you swallow your pride, take a deep breath, then give the Seller (a motor dealer I think you said) permission to sell the vehicle for you at ‘best possible’ and from whatever proceeds take his commission for his time and trouble (send a bottle of something good to Rory) and remit the balance back to you.

Don’t hold it against the UK or HUBB. Then next time research things more thoroughly before you commit to spending money. I hope you grow from the experience - and get to live your dream.



Those who feel this to be a good or his best way forward please show your support and encouragement for him by clicking on the 'Like' button.

Well if I don't have to be a resident for ROAD tax purposes, Why do I have to provide a UK residential address to BUY insurance (3rd party) and to get a Tax Disc.

this is still a long way from being all Sorted.
So far ALL I have is the loan of a UK address, But no Insurance, NO Road Tax or MOT inspection.

An impressive effort by all concerned. However, I'm noticing that this doesn't seem to be bringing out the best in any of the participants (except, I have to say, St. Rory). Maybe think about giving it a rest. Going around in repeated circles doesn't seem to be helping much.

Just a thought.

Mark

First, I have edited my post of yesterday to provide a more accurate description of what Rory is doing over here to assist you.
Nothing is new in that; it goes over earlier explanations but I was not fully correct in the way that I summarised what Rory is doing.
Please take a look back at post number 86 (or was it 84? I forget!).

Your query here about insurance is fair enough if you don't have a lot of criminality etc etc in Australia associated with fraudulent insurance claims + the thing I think I touched on earlier = out and out driving on the roads without any insurance. You could do your own research about insurance fraud here in the UK e.g. whiplash injury claims for a start, and you might be shocked, there again, you might not.
Therefore, the insurance underwriters (I don't think we have mentioned them previously) and the insurance brokers are trying, I say that again, trying to cut down on such criminality by ever tightening procedures including sharing data bases of known criminal acts blah, blah blah - this is on the news in the UK every second day of the week + other aspects about road law (check out what one of our politicians and his ex-wife are accused of right now in the UK courts).

The above is a bit of background tittle tattle; the short answer is because the insurance documents have to be posted to you, somewhere, for which you need a postal address.

FWIW, I was reading an interesting blog about learning to fly, and the chief flying instructor (CFI) makes quite a few references in there to "shrugging off" irrelevant questions while in the air - basically the CFI says to the trainee pilots get on with the job in hand and stop asking irrelevant questions that don't contribute to achieving the task of landing the micro-light and walking away in one piece - worth thinking about?

Locked and Ended.
 

I have arbitrarily pruned this tread back a full page and will now lock it as it's has got too silly for words.

All of you, take your toys home, clean and polish them, change the oils and filters, and come back when you are prepared to share and play nice.

BR

Nigel in NZ