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The difference between a TT600R and RE
I have a TT600R mod.2001 with 35.000km on the clock.
I think about buying a TT600RE mod. 2004 with yet to be rolled out of the showroom But the showroom is not here, so i have to ask: Except for the kick/electric-start difference I understand there are a few other differences too. Such as the rear damper, being an Ohlins on the former and a Sachs on the latter (is that an improvement?). And allegedly there is a difference in seat height too (?). Any other differences? |
The front and rear suspension on the RE are much cheaper, at the rear non-adjustable SACHS, in front only pre-tension adjustable, and 230mm on the RE vs. 280mm on the R - that explains the different seat hight. All suspension parts of your R would however fit on the RE - don't sell them yet. |
I see. Thanks.
However, the suspension on my R has covered 35.000km. Not 35.000km of torture, but still... is it good value to swap the parts? Has anybody done this? |
I have a 2001 tt600r with 32000 on the clock, and a 2005 tt600re with 1500km on the clock. The re has paoli 46mm forks like the r but less travel and only adjustable for preload. The rear shock is sachs, less travel and only adjustable for preload. Electric start with a gel battery and 170 watt alternator.
The rest is basically the same but the bulid quality is not quite as good ( a bit of weld splatter, the odd loose bodywork bolt- nothing serious). It has a cush drive as well which should make the chain and sprockets last longer, we will see... My girlfriend has one too and she finds it a lot easier to ride and lighter than her BMW 650 GS. We are just kitting up for a Newfoundland to Buenos Aires trip via Alaska. If you have any particular questions let me know. |
Hi Leigh, nice to hear from you. Gosh, you have a nice journey ahead. Good luck!!!
It would be nice to hear your opinion since you have both models in question (with nearly the same km's on the clock): If you only could keep the RE, then would you put the suspension on your R on the RE, or would you prefer to keep the Sachs system? |
Soory to barge in, but on my 2002 TTR only the preload on the front seems to be adjustable. Is that correct, if not, how could I adjust it?
Auke |
On a TT600R the compression and rebound damping are adjustable via the small screws on the fork legs. Compression on the top and rebound on the bottom under rubber caps.
Preload is not adjustable but I never found it a problem. |
Thanks for the info!
Auke |
Is the swingarms identical or different on the R and the RE?
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Theres a question ýve been meanýng to ask for a whýle. Is the suspension linkage dýfferent on the r and re hence the dýfferent rýde height, or are the shockers physýcally dýfferent lengths? I think thýs was mentýoned ýn an earlýer post, but ý want to clarýfy ýt.
I was goýng to have a shorter lýnk made by Talon ýn the UK before ý left to drop my Ohlýns equýpped tt600r by a couple of ýnches(never got round to ýt). Would anyone else lýke one ýf ý get ýt done on return, should make ýt cheaper for everyone. |
i have measured the rear suspension parts of my RE against an R, links and swing arm appears to be the same so my conclusion is the actual shock is the difference.
------------------ Laromo '04 TT600RE |
Hi all i have just bought a 2004 TTR600RE and the standard rear suspension is Ohlins not sachs, no problem with weld splatter, very nicely finished, after my xtz660 it's a bit raw but thats the way i like it. It has avery small tank, possibly going to upgrade to an Acerbis if i can find one in the UK. Leigh, what are you doing to the TTR to upgrade for your long trip ahead. All you TTR owners, what or if you had any problems, what were they.One other thing being a Uk bike were they fitted with any restrictors to reduce power, look forward to hearing from you thanks Floyd
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Floyd
Congratulations with your recent purchase of a RE 2004. That makes two of us. The difference is that i have not yet seen my RE, and I will not for another two months or so. Therefore it is nice to receive you good report about the welding that year etc... Leigh is the better man to ask (indeed, he is a R/RE encyclopedia on two wheels). However, I've had an R for quite some time and received answers about the RE from many helpful people here, so let me begin: The usual problems: Rain makes the bike run poorly/makes it stop (sollution 1: Use isolation tape or something equivalent around the rear end of the coil where the spark plug lead enter. Or wait a few minutes to let the water evaporate) (sollution 2: If very heavy rain it might be the spark plug well that is "drowned", and the sollution is again to wait a few minutes letting the hot engine evaporate the water) The fuel filter inside the carburetor gets clogged by dirt (sollution: Take it out, throw it away, and use an inline filter instead. It might be wise to do this modification before going on a long trip). This happend to me in the Iranian desert. I had no idea what the problem was, but the mastermind Aukeboss further up this page saved my day. Thanks again Auke! Broken decompression wire on R's (though I believe the RE has a wireless patent. If it is a better patent is another question) The fifth gear wears out after 30.000km, though it has yet to happen to my R (sollution: Replacement) Another common gadget to bring along on a long trip is a back-up CDI unit (then again, I have had no need for such replacement so far) Wonky the adventurer further up this page (hello Wonky!) experienced that the oil hose between the Ohlins rear shock and the oil reservoir to the right of the carburettor ruptured. Resourceful as he is, he found a mechanic - somewhere in Cambodia I believe - that were able to seal the hose. (However, is this the type of Ohlins you have? Photos of the RE 2004 shows no shock oil reservoir to the right of the carburettor) Otherwise, take a search around the HUBB here where you can read more about these issues. Also, I'm sure the other guys here have a few things to add. For long trips the smartest thing, in my experience, is to keep your bike simple and free of fancy unoriginal gadgets and sollutions. However, these are exceptions: The 20 liter Acerbis tank has good reputation among the R/RE people. It is simple, easy to repair, and need no fuel pump (that might fall apart and ruin your trip) as gravity will assist in emptying the tank to the last drop. A safe and smart purchase. Acerbis does also supply some purposeful neoprene stockings for your front fork (protects the fork seals from sand and dust) Then you might want a luggage system. My experience with the rack from Hepco & Becker has been nothing but good (although some bikers worry it might not be strong enough). Another supplier which seems to be good is Metal Mule in the UK. Germany has some good suppliers of R/RE stuff, such as www.kedo.de (which supplies the Acerbis tank, the H&B rack, and a LOT more). Their catalogue can be downloaded (30MB or so, so you might wanna make some coffee before you bet started). Then you have the not-so-recommended suppliers (and this I cannot emphasise enough) you might wanna think twice before giving these boys a call: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/tst...ue/2005_10.php (scroll down to the grim tank photos) Finally - and this is very nice indeed - you can download the complete RE 2004 workshop manual at www.tt600r.de (click the technik-link). Good luck! [This message has been edited by Eriks (edited 13 February 2006).] |
interesting Floyd's rear is ohlins, I have a 2004 RE which has a sachs rear suspender. I've only done 4k kms, but noticed that the paint has cracked on the rear subframe where it bolts to the main frame. Looks like the frame has flexed and the paint didn't. Just going to slap on some underseal or something.
I found marking where the second carb kicks in a good thing to do. Mark it on the bar grip with tipex. It's something interesting to look at when commuting. |
I too am intrigued that there is a TTRE with an ohlins rear shock, there are 2 TTREs in my garage looking longingly at the old TTR in the corner with the attractive suspenders. I have looked in vain at the various yamaha sites around the globe and it seems that the TTRE was only available in europe (TTR Australia/N.Z. too). No pictures on any site show the ohlins unit....
As for what goes wrong with them, as Erik says the decompression cable on the TTR snaps, usually due to countless brutal lunges at the kickstart whilst swearing. No such cable on the e-start TTRE. Brake pads last about 10.000 miles if you aren't heavy on them, plenty of engine braking.( use original pads made for yam by brembo) Chain and sprockets last about 10.000 miles, cush drive on the TTRE so maybe a bit longer. Never replaced the fork seals on mine, been in Sahara, Welsh bogs and worse. Dont go mad doing up the rear spindle nut, they strip easy and nothing else seems to fit it. Carbs are a bastard to remove if you have to. The plastic plate that supports the speedo etc can crack and start flapping about after lots of off road battering. Thats about it I think. |
Right lads who is an utter Knob (Me) i read to much info on the TTR, must have been the early one, after reading the replies I thought i had better investigate (guess what) i've got a sachs rear shock, i'm a bit disapointed, still sachs make good shocks, i just don't know the quality of the one fitted to my bike, still time will tell. Still you have to give me a little leway as i only got it Saturday. Thanks to Leigh, Dougie b and Eriks for the replies regards Floyd
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Yamaha own Ohlins, I remember reading in one magazine that Ohlins fitted to XJR1300 Yamaha were branded with Ohlins name but they did not rate them much. Could be different for TTr & TTre though? Sachs could be just as good even though it has less adjustment & shorter.
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Nobody mentýoned the ýmportant být.
TT600R,s look way cooler ýn theýr moody whýte black and red colours. The REs blue looks pants........... |
ha, you had us all jealous of your Ohlins there... http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/smile.gif
The headlight is rubbish, in my opinion. Anyone upgraded/replaced theirs? Also thinking of ditching the speedo assembly. Any suggestions as to brackets (ready made or home made) so i can mount some fancy gadgets? |
I must agree, DougieB. Crap headlýght and the speedo cable snaps every two mýnutes.
HAvent got around to sorting eýther, although ý have wýred the headlýght so when you flýck to maýn beam both bulbs are ýllumýnated. It makes a pretty good dýfference. I want to fýt an extra lýght but thýnk ý mýght need to soop up the alternator or buy an RE! Anybody know what the output of the alternator on the tt600r ýs? Somebody saýd 170watts for an RE. |
Agree, the headlight sucks. Allegedly KTM has a model with a headlight that is better and fits the R/RE. But which KTM?
All ideas on this subject would be appreciated. |
Ttr-ttr-e
:eek3: Hi i have been reading those thread´s and i am wondering can i change the rear suspension on my TTR600E 2005 to öhlin shocker and spring.I am ok with the front but this rear is to soft for man at my wheight and height.Only adjustments i can do now on the rear is press the springer more but then the bike will be much more low then it is orginal.Is it ok to change only the rear or will the bike be higher in rear or it is ok.
Best regards Falk65 |
Hey Falk
I don't think that you can just change the rear shock on your RE, the front forks are 50mm shorter than the TTR's so the bike will, I imagine be unballanced. I have a 04RE and have just found a nice pair of TTR front forks second hand which I am currently rebuilding. At the mo I am trying to find a TTR rear shock, White Power make a shock for the TTR which is just under £400 but to me because I am a lucky Channel Islander don't pay VAT so get it for £330...Jellious??? The other option is to find a second hand TTR Ohilns rear shock for a good price and get some one to rebuild it. Again White Power will do it for about £65 which is a bargin I think! I do know of a TTR rear shock for £180/200. I am not sure about it myself after considering 200+65 plus postage I will be getting close of a brand new W/P. If you PM me then I will pass on the number if I don't get it. Hope this helps George |
My TTR has an ohlins the shock that had been messed about with by the previous owner. I had to have the shock stripped and rebuilt it cost about £280 done by HM Racing very good job, also done my Paioli forks.
I did enquire about a new ohlins from Yamaha it cost £1`200 plus VAT, I am sure you could get the same shock or very similar from ohlins for at least half this price. |
reasons
hello guys.... it's been really interesting and helpful reading all these postings above,
and i wish to thank you all very much for the precious info. I am a new rider, just bought a TTRE 600, 2003 reg. I had always dreamed of owning a tall, basic, aggeressive TT, since the 90's.... when i used to ride my 125 vespa, and occasionally "stealing" my sister's XT600. I thought i got it now, but then i soon realized that TTRE is lower, and i was obviously slightly disappointed with that (not knowing much about bikes, generally, i'm learning the hard way!). Now, I'm considering doing something about it (I'm very tall and I want a tall bike): changing the suspensions with the TTR ones, to make it higher, like some of you seem to be doing; or selling it and getting a TTR 2002 instead, with all the inconvenients and charms of a pedal starter. But i am not so sure about the issue, because, after all, I am fairly happy with the bike, which has a very low mileage, runs incredibly well, starts up super easily in the cold london mornings with its magical button, and it's very agile in the big city traffic / good enough for off-road weekends (for my non-extreme off-roader abilities). Also because I want to believe that there must be good reasons why Yamaha made this changes. Therefore, I'd like to ask you guys: why do you think Yamaha made this last generation of TT, the TTRE, with lower-suspensions, and a bit shorter in size (to improve manouvrability perhaps?) Does anyone know the official reasons, and what are the real reasons behind, if there are any? I can only think that they wanted to improve the bike, don't you? but improving the bike from what perspective? Finally, considering also that it is always advisable keeping the bike as original as you can, would you eventually suggest me to change suspensions or not? I would like very much to know your opinions. Thanks again to all of you for your great help... and please forgive my "novice-biker" comments and terminolgy. Diego |
The simple answer....... Yamaha paid for the electric start by downgrading the suspenders. (I have 2x TTRE and 1x TTR).
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Thank you Leigh, but why not to have both good suspenders and E-start?
the bike was rather cheap on the market, wasn't it? It would have been only matter of raising the price a bit... Apparently lots of TTR riders would have happily saluted a new TTR with E-start, willing to pay for it. |
Need suspenion
Hi ewerybody.I need a paoli older forks and a rear shock from an older ttr.I have TTRe with the shack shocker and forks from paoli with 230 mm instead 280 on the older ones.Is it hard way to get used parts to those bikes.I live in Iceland and my TTRe is the only ttr bike here and i like it but i am 190cm and around 118 kg and i like to have more seathight on my bike and a choice to change the suspension to the situation each time because we have all kind of surface here to ride over.Sorry if my english is hard to read but my TTRe is year 2005 and someone told me that is one of the last bike they made from TTR.please give me some answers and responce :helpsmilie:
Best Regards Falk65 |
are there any WR400s on iceland? the forks on the wr fit the TTR(e) long travel and upside down... oh yeah and you need the triple trees as well
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Is it this easy?
Do I understand this correctly: If changing the suspension on a TT600RE with the suspension from a TT600R you simply take off the RE-forks and put on the R ones? Same with rear shock (take of the bad one and put on the Ohlins)? There is no more to it?
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wr400
We have lot of wr250f and wr450f but i am not sure about wr400 and as i seen on pictures of wr 400 and 450 they have upside down forks but ttr not and will this make no diffrence in installation or do i need to change the forkheads also.and what about rear link does the shocker and spring fit to ttr rear link
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TTRE suspensions - to change or not to change?
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If yes, do you know anybody trustful who would do the job around london (I see you are in Watford - I'm in east London)? do you reckon it's still possible to get those original TTR parts new, perhaps via a yamaha dealer (or where else)? would a yamaha dealer do the job for me? or would you rather suggest me to sell my TTRE and get a second hand TTR, hoping to find one that is not too knackered? Please Advise... thank you so much for all your previous experiences / info / advise you have very kindly shared in this website... it's all super precious mate! Diego |
As far as I know it is a straight swap, (I am expecting to have to replace fron brake hose and spedo drive to allow to the longer forks) The hardest part will be finding a pair of front forks, if you call this number 01704 897 551 they are breaking a stolen recovered TTR and still might have the front forks and rear shock avaliable. I have not fitten mine yet so cant coment on any problems i might find....hopefuly none!
Just a little note, I recived a pair of dust and oil seals for the TTR (04) front forks and was blown away to find bill fo ~£80!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Christ are all orignal yam spairs that much! Bikerfromsark TTR breaking eBay.co.uk: YAMAHA TTR 600 TTR600R 2001 ENGINE UNIT - BIKE BREAKING (item 150107627052 end time 09-Apr-07 16:40:04 BST) |
Thanks for the info Bikerfromsark,
I will call that number now. I wish you luck with your swap! Please let me know how it goes. Do you do it yourself or do you get any mechanic to do it for you? I admit I'm absolutely useless with tools in my hands(!) do you know anyone / place to suggest, in London? Would you try at a Yam dealer? Cheers Diego |
TTR headlight
In the posts on this thread it seems to be agreed that the TTR headlight is pretty useless.
Can anyone recommend a good headlight to fit the bike? (I have read elsewhere that the Acerbis after market enduro headlight is not great either) - how do you find out about such things without actually buying one !!!!!!!!? Dave |
Tt600re
I have just bought one of these and I'm really enjoying it. I've never had a big single before and spotted this one on ebay. It has 17" excel supermoto rims and low profile super moto tyres.
I agree, however, that the headlamps are crap. Obviously with these wheels it's not an obvious candidate for long distance touring but I'm using it in preference to my road bike. The headlights are hopeless - it won't be much use to me next winter unless I can improve them a bit. |
TTRE kickstart
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I want to add a kickstart to my 2004 TTRE. What do I need to do this ?http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/...ps81d2f95d.jpg |
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the ttr600re NEVER came with an ohlins rear shock as standard as some popel suggest they did http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...0/DSCF2740.jpg http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...0/DSCF2744.jpg |
? Which Front Forks Do I Have ?
Hello,
Sorry to raise this thread from so far back but I need some help and advice. I recently purchased a Yamaha TT600R, I think ? According to the frame number the bike is a 1997/98 model but i think its had a later engine fitted as it has electric start ? Its fitted with an Ohlins rear shock with the remote resevoir but Im unsure of which forks are fitted, I need to change the fork seals but dont know what ones to order, the front forks appear to have adjusting screws on the top of the fork legs which I assume are for preload setting but I cant see any other adjusters, what make forks would these be and what size ? Thanks for your help in advance, kind regards gteps |
your bike is the belgarda ttr600r but fitted with the ttr600re motor..your rear ohlins shock is standard on the belgarda..its 50mm more travel than the re rear sach shock...front fork seals are identical to both the r and re models..the r has 50mm longer forks than the re and apart from that and the internals are the same..here are links to parts manuals for the ttr600
sean - Sale of piece parts for Yamaha motorcycles with microfiches |
Hi Superfour1300,
Thanks very much for the info and the link to the bike parts site :clap: Stay safe. gteps |
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