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Speedy Gonzales 1 Jan 2020 12:22

Pitting/holes in clutch caising
 
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Hi !
I have a XT 600 Tenere 87 mod and over a time the bike have been leaking oil from the bottom of casing. I tought it was bad windings so I was not able to tighten the bolt. Now I got time to try fix it and then I see that there is a lot of pittings inside the cover and a hole whre the oil came out. A new cover is not possible to get as I can`t find anything on internet.
Is there a way to fix this, welding, soldering, liquid metal or other things that will make it useble again.

N67 1 Jan 2020 19:36

allegedly looks like fatigue but not easy to believe since it shouldn't be under specific stress IMO..
if it's repairable with TIG (have no suggestions about other methods) I'd try to find someone really best in this field since besides the hard to reach areas it's about the further durability as well..
maybe someone knows here the type of this alloy and it might also help somehow..
what about gasket silicone, was there any difference in leakage with it?

Mezo 2 Jan 2020 05:11

Looks like the clutch side? Its the same cover as the 3AJ (same part number) 1VJ-15411-00-00 ONE HERE IN ITALY.

Or just JB WELD it.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon...._AC_SY400_.jpg

Mezo.

Speedy Gonzales 2 Jan 2020 21:50

Thanks for tips, I order the cover but will try to JB weld the the one I have to see if it will hold because the metal is soaked in oil and it will be a challenge to get it clean enough.

Mezo 3 Jan 2020 00:39

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Originally Posted by Speedy Gonzales (Post 607543)
it will be a challenge to get it clean enough.

Use brake cleaner (spray can) its similar to trichloroethane but they banned its use, i think they use tetrachloroethylene now but use carefully in well ventilated room, use gloves & don't breathe it in (carcinogenic) but it will clean your parts spotless.

Mezo.

Madbiker 4 Jan 2020 13:54

Hi Speedy

I recently saw an advert for a new (to me) method of welding aluminum by applying heat to the metal using a blowtorch and then applying to the heated metal an aluminum rod that melts and flows in to the gap / hole to be fixed. The process looks very similar to brazing so it might be just what you need to fill in all the pits in your casing. I have not tried it so I do not know if it works or not. Here is a link to to website for your information.
https://hazellab.com/products/alumif...1229b04e&_ss=r

turboguzzi 5 Jan 2020 18:30

can you put a bigger picture so we understand better?


for parts, try italian ebay (coperchio frizione) and german ebay (kupplung deckel) ebay, these bike sold lots in these markets, no shortage of parts.....

Grant Johnson 5 Jan 2020 18:34

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Originally Posted by turboguzzi (Post 607626)
can you put a bigger picture so we understand better?


Click the picture and you'll get a much bigger one, nicely detailed.

cyclopathic 5 Jan 2020 21:53

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Originally Posted by Mezo (Post 607525)
Looks like the clutch side? Its the same cover as the 3AJ (same part number) 1VJ-15411-00-00 ONE HERE IN ITALY.

Or just JB WELD it.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon...._AC_SY400_.jpg

Mezo.

Another option aluminum braze on
https://youtu.be/U10ncaktR74

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Speedy Gonzales 6 Jan 2020 08:21

Thanks for tip about brazing/soldering, I will give it a try when I get he cover I order on Ebay. I want to see the condition of that before i do somehing, I will try soldering the cover he cover in worst condition.

turboguzzi 6 Jan 2020 09:32

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Originally Posted by Grant Johnson (Post 607627)
Click the picture and you'll get a much bigger one, nicely detailed.


i did of course but i meant a picture of the complete cover to assess overall condition :)

cyclopathic 6 Jan 2020 10:00

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Originally Posted by Speedy Gonzales (Post 607639)
Thanks for tip about brazing/soldering, I will give it a try when I get he cover I order on Ebay. I want to see the condition of that before i do somehing, I will try soldering the cover he cover in worst condition.

Just brush and clean it before good luck

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Speedy Gonzales 9 Jan 2020 23:37

Got the used cover today and it looks in good condition with no damages.
I will try to solder the old one just to see if it can be done.
The new cover is fo a newer model without kick so he holes is plugged, what is the best way to take out he plugs for kick and decompsystem ?
I need to get some new seals and the reurn valve for oil before I put it back together, will go away for work the next 4 weeks so I will order the parts so everything is ready when I get home.

Thanks again for the tips on this problem.

Mezo 10 Jan 2020 00:13

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Originally Posted by Speedy Gonzales (Post 607749)
what is the best way to take out he plugs for kick and decompsystem ?

The plug just knocks out, i have a 3AJ that has had a kicker conversion done, id imagine the decomp is the same i forget?

Mezo.

Speedy Gonzales 28 Feb 2020 22:26

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Finaly got time to continue and this bike is giving me some hard time again.
The new cover is good but there is one issue, there is a hole where the decomp cable goes in but it is 6mm and the cable is 7 mm, can I use a drillbit to make the hole bigger so the cable goes in ? See picture.

Mezo 29 Feb 2020 09:29

Don't see why not, possibly just been crushed closed a tad, don't try to pry it open or it will snap so yes just drill it out.

Mez.

Speedy Gonzales 29 Feb 2020 14:31

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That was I thinking to so I took my dremel and open up so no it fits. Cover is back on, oil filled up but battery was dead so i will get a new one before I start it up.

Speedy Gonzales 1 Mar 2020 14:59

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It still gives me a struggle, after start it was leaking oil from a hole behind the oilfilter, after looking at drawings it seems that there should be a oilpipe from that location and over to the other side of engine.
I can not se any place fore that pipe on my engine as is a 1VJ and the cover is from a newer model.
Can I just put a screw in that outlet and blind it of without making any damage to my engine ?

turboguzzi 2 Mar 2020 18:03

yes, it's the external oil feed for the gearbox of the newer models. you can plug it, but make sure to use the right thread. the banjo fitting that goes there (most likely an 8 X 1 thread) will have finer thread than a typical M8 x 1.25 bolt. your plug should thread in nicely, dont try to force a normal M8 x 1.25 bolt there or you'll ruin your new cover...

Speedy Gonzales 13 Mar 2020 18:09

Thanks for the information but i did just that, put in a M8 bolt and no leakage so far. Hopefully it will last for a while, if it start leaking I will drill it and put in Helicoil.

Speedy Gonzales 2 May 2020 00:12

Hi again !
Now the bike is running good and there is no oil leak :thumbup1:
But I got a slipping clutch so that will be the next task.
Thanks again for all help and tips :clap:


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