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Honda Rebel 300 or 500?
Hello,
I’m thinking of buying a Honda Rebel 300 or 500 in the USA and driving through the USA, Mexico and Central America and maybe South America and I’m wondering if that is a good plan. Some background information. I’m travelling through South America for over a year now and I love it!!!:D I started in Colombia with my BMW F750 GS, with low saddle and low suspension and I’m now in the south of Argentina (Rio Grande). I chose the motorcycle because I’m 5’4 (1,62 cm) with short legs and it was the one from which I could make the motorcycle with the lowest seat height (not being a cruiser/chopper). The seat height is 30 inch (77 cm), but I still cannot put my feet flat on the ground. I have trouble maneuver with the motorcycle and taking it backwards. I don’t dear to write down how many times I dropped my motorcycle and fell off my motorcycle.:blushing: I also had some serious injuries on my ribs and lung in the last year and 3 weeks ago I broke 7 ribs and had a collapsed lung. I decided that I will sell the motorcycle, because I cannot handle it. Some of you warned me that it won’t be easy to handle that motorcycle in South and Central America for a short woman. Now I experienced that myself. I’m near Punta Arenas now and I hope I can sell the motorcycle there. So, after I am recovered from my injury and have sold my motorcycle I was thinking of going to the USA to buy a Honda Rebel 300 or 500 and drive through some states of the USA and Mexico and Central America and maybe South America again. I was thinking about this bike because I cannot find a motorcycle not being a cruiser/chopper with a saddle (also with low saddle and low suspension) lower than 30 inch (77 cm). The Rebel is not that heavy (Rebel 300 is 370 lbs (168 kg) and Rebel 500 is 414 lbs (188 kg) including gasoline) and the seat height is 27,2 inch (69 cm). I am planning to have other tires on it (maybe 50/50) and a bash plate and some other things and drive as little off road as possible. I don’t like riding off road anyway, maybe because I tried it on the heavy BMW, but what I don’t like about it is that I have to concentrate so much and I don’t like bumpy roads. I only looked for reliable brands, because I know very little about motorcycles. I was at a dealer in Argentina which sold BMW and Royal Enfield (my motorcycle got a service there) and the seller said that I should never ever buy a Royal Enfield, because there are so many problems with that brand. Long story, but I’m wondering if a Honda Rebel would be a good choice for me, and if so, if I should buy a 300 or a 500. I tend to buy a 500, because it weighs only 20 kg more and from reviews I understand that it is way more comfortable (less vibration on the highway, less noice (I don’t like noice…) and more power. Thanks a lot for advice on this! Loes |
A friend who is 5" tall has owned both and said the 300 was underpowered even on Hawaii where they live, I would say the 500 would be a better bet especially on the US mainland.
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How much did your friend weigh Mark?
Loes; in the USA you can test ride both if the dealership is halfway decent. If you are light/small/ skinny then I would be inclined to take the smaller bike and save some money. All the usual suggestions apply; ie don’t carry mountains of stuff etc etc BTW Honda has a 750 V twin shaft drive custom, “Shadow Aero” with a very low 25.9in seat could be a perfect travel bike, I like shaft drive ikes as you reduce the maintenance |
Ha Flashdog,
I'm certainy not skinny! I'm 155 lbs, but I'm not physically strong. The Shadow Aero is really low! It's heavier, but I will put it on my list; thanks! |
One thing I would say is that if you go with a cruiser style bike, assume you won't be going offroad more than a decently maintained gravel road. But I think that is your preference anyway.
The Honda Rebel and Shadow are good choices for reliability. There is also the Kawasaki Vulcan, another small Japanese cruiser. Make sure you figure out what kind of luggage systems are available for your bike, and if you are okay with them. One option that is not very common in the USA but is maybe worth a look, is a maxi scooter. Something like a Suzuki Burgman, and there are others available - they can be a decent option. Also consider a Yamaha Niken - it has three wheels, so it's inherently stable, and is a full-sized motorcycle that can do highways and carry luggage. |
Thanks!
The availability of the luggage system is really a point. I was looking for the possibilities for the Rebel and for sure I cannot take as much luggage as I did on the F750!!!! |
fwiw. I'd echo what Mark Manley suggests - other than the size/weight of the engine these bikes are exactly the same size, so if you're confident with the seat height and ergonomics, go for the 500 (actually 471cc) twin, as it is a far more relaxed motor on the open road, and still very fuel-efficient.
While you could certainly get by on the 300 (286cc) single in typical Central and South American riding conditions - that is presuming you plan to stay off any interstate style multi-lane highways anyway - you might as well go for the more relaxed torque of the twin cylinder version. In either case, both of these engines are well-proven as reliable, low-maintenance and very economic with regard to fuel and servicing costs - so either would provide the ideal 'travel' platform regardless of which chassis you have them fitted to. As for luggage accessories etc. have a look at what some of the aftermarket suppliers from Thailand offer (where these bikes are assembled, and are also more popular in general) - you can get a luggage rack which replaces the rear/passenger seat pad (note. the pillion seat is standard on the 500, optional on the 300 in the US), and there are also windshields designed to fit this bike too, if that is something that you feel you might need. The only real limitation with these bikes is the comparatively small fuel tank compared to their sister models the CB500X and CB500F (and R), but in practice you ought to see around 200 miles from a tank unless you are pinning the bike at full throttle - so perhaps another reason to go for the 500 twin? Personally speaking, I think the way you describe setting up the bike with some all-terrain tyres* and some sort of skid plate and simple luggage system would make for a very nice low-seat all-road touring bike. *Just be aware that the wheels are 16" front and rear on these bikes, so your choice of alternative tyres is going to be more limited. Have fun! Jx ps. I just had a noodle at the US Honda website and they do actually offer OEM luggage accessories including both a rear rack and a second rack to replace the passenger seat pad, and also saddle back frames - albeit I imagine those are for their own bags, although they could probably be used to support a one-piece throw-over saddle-bag style bag too (Giant loop Coyote etc.). |
First off, ouch, cracked ribs are no fun -7 in one go, that is way more than I have ever managed in one go - and, thankfully, I have never had a collapsed lung. I hope that the recovery is short, sweet and complete.
As regards choice of bike, as has been said, going for a low slung cruiser may limit you to well maintained gravel road or better but don’t forget that there was someone that took a 1951 Haley Panhead through Africa and still went on the rougher routes - details here - so it can be done on just about any bike. Anyway, good luck with the recovery. |
Jay_Benson and JMo (& piglet) thanks a lot for your replies! I appreciate it a lot!
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Thanks! I was also looking at the Kawasaki Vulcan. The weight is 235 kg, so it is heavier, but I think I have to try a couple of bikes and find out how they feel.
I don't have a problem with the kw. It will not intimidate me. The problem is the seat heigh and the weight in combination with the fact if I can reach the handlebars (and also grap the brake) easily when I stand next to the bike. The thing is also if I will be able to rise the motorcycle myself when it falls. I had a Dustriders Motorcycle Hoist with me to raise my BMW F750 GS, but I prefer not taking that, because it is quite heavy. I will look at the internet if women are able to raise cruisers. I think it is easier, because the weigh is lower than at my BMW. |
The weight is lower, and also you have wide platforms/footpegs that the bike leans onto. :) You can always get big hoop bars fitted - then it won't go past 45 degrees at all!
https://www.moto24.org/media/catalog....2524.0001.jpg This is always funny to me when people demonstrate picking up a heavy bike using a 1250GS. Sure - that thing has half a meter of cylinder heads and guards sticking out in each direction, between those and the soft luggage, it's barely past the sidestand angle! :rofl: Now show me a small person picking up a 1290 Adventure without bags... |
Owner of Rebel 500
Hi, I'm Mark's friend in Hawaii and owner of a 2023 Rebel 500. It's perfect for a shorty like me (5'1"). It's more responsive and fun to ride than the 300. Like Mark stated, the 300 just didn't have enough power, but hey, it was my first ever bike.
I took a look at this thread because I want to find an "adventure" bike that is low enough where I can plant both feet on the ground and feel safe. The more I read, the more I am inclined to stick to my Rebel 500 and customize it for touring on paved roads. I would not consider this bike for any off-road whatsoever. The tank IS small. I generally fill up at the 140 mile mark, but you could probably squeeze out 150. I says on the display that I am getting about 59 miles to the gallon, but that's debatable. I sat on a Kawasaki Vulcan, but the seat was too wide where I couldn't touch the ground. If the seat was replaced with a narrower one, it may do the trick, but it is also heavier than the Rebel. I can, with the right leverage, pick up my bike. I am also looking at the Triumph Tiger 900-GT Low. I haven't gotten around to the dealership for a look yet, but it may be an option (https://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk...-900-gt/gt-low) Thanks for giving me a better idea of what I want in the future. |
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