Near enough a perfect bike........ only thing better would be a 350cc Enfield in a grass field.

and if you get the chance do some riding in a field somewhere ( get permission from the landowner) What you learn there will likely prolong you life considerably. try figure of eights, fast and slow ( walking pace) learn to feel the rear wheel spin/slide and control it. What you learn early on is what your reactions will be later. always wear a helmet...

If water feels like concrete at 100mph, what does concrete feel like ??

Just to let you know that it is possible to go straight onto a big BMW.

I have held a car licence for 10 years and, after watching the LWR i decided to buy a bike and copy the LWR.

5 minute decision....5 days of lessons and 55 minutes after passing my test i rode my GS to get it MOTd and then spent the sumer terrorising the UK countryside!!

Yes, i dropped it once or twice....yes, i put it in a ditch off road.....and being 10 stone and 5'10" did build up a sweat moving it around car parks. But you soon learn where not to park it, how to pick it up.

Then....i went and did it.... www.etribes.com/markstowe

I went to try the BIG BMW.
 

i went to try the 12GS, it is big, i am 6"4', 30 years old, have some experience with scooters and smaller bikes, but i like the big GS, it's heavy but not so much more than the F650gs dakar. I would like to use it for a two up touring. i think it's comfortable, but at the same time there's the KTM which is nice too.

Patrick,

i understand, but the guy in this thread was asking if the BMW R1200GS was too much for a new rider. I am not the most, off-road experienced rider, i went and tried the KTM 950, which i think is really really nice, cheaper too, but the BMW has comfort, the support in some ways and if you buy new,
the bike has roadside assistance, that in many cases is a good thing. ABS, maybe is just piece of mind.

I still haven't decided, but i didn' really like the Suzuki that much, don't know, i guess i have to try one more time. It definitely felt cheap.

Thanks,
FR

beginners bike
 

IMHO and out of my experience some good beginners bikes:

Honda CB 250RS (build 80 to 84) light, easy to maintain and they come at the price of three big macs. Get one from the scrapyard and spend $ 500 and you will have a new bike. I had one as a commuter in Munich for three years. Now upgraded with XT / FT 500 power plant, M-bars and rear set. 131kg and 36hp of pure fun. Avoid the useless and brittle e-start version.

Suzi GS 500, Kawa ER5, Honda CB500. Very nice and very cheap bikes. Always liked the GS 500 (unrestricted) for its sporty character. Also great bikes are the older CB 400N (although a bit heavy) and Yami SRX 600.

Any 250 semi offroad if that's what your heart desires. Does not really matter what you get as long as you have the spirit already. I travelled on my CB250RS (roadbike) from Munich as far as Lago di Garda, all over Switzerland and Osnabrück. Others go RTW on a scooter or to the North Cape on a stepthrough. Bigger semi offroads (650) are fine as long as they can take "a drop" without disintegrating and are not too high. Avoid BMW F's (too pretty) and go for something like DR650SE (very light and can be set low without sacrificing suspension quality.

So the answer is....
 

no.

for what everyone says here, don't get a 1200GS as a first bike. is that right?

No
 

Yep. You would also rather start driving cars in a Series 1 Golf than in a 911 Carrera Turbo?

But, is the weight similar to the f650gs or not? then, if you want to ride two up, what options do you have apart from the v-strom 650? what gives you the comfort and capacity of a 1200? i would like a F800gs if there was one.

Are any details available anywhere on the new Guzzi ?

Patrick said ----- "I'd love to see them do an adventure bike"-----------

Yes , so would I .
Guzzi's have a style of their own ,which I find very appealing - especially in red !

The answer is ....Maybe!
 

Basically, yes. But there are always exceptions.
If you go back to the beggining of this thread you'll see the original poster
is not a raw begginer. He's been riding an ER-5 Kawi. Also, if you read
previous replies, you'll see the pros and cons of buying a new R12GS as
a first bike. For some guys the bike would be fine. But its a big ticket item and other cheaper choices may make more sense. All this is gone over ad nauseum
in earlier posts.

Do you mean is the BMW F650GS close in weight to the DR650? The answer is
the DR650 is about 65 lbs. lighter than the BMW. There are plenty of other
Adventure bikes that work beautifully two up. CapoNord, Tiger, Varadero,
Navigator, Vstrom and KTM 950. If you go with a more standard bike you
have even more choices.

BTW, BMW are working on the F800GS as we speak. But its still a long ways
off. Look for it in the EU in late 2007. In the US, spring 2008. They may even
have a prototype at the Munich show (Cologne?) in just a few days.

Patrick
:scooter:

Mot Guzzi Stelvio
 

It's called the Stelvio. They've built one in Mandello. Here is a link to a decent photo from a magazine...

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113158

The original Guzzi NTX was fairly decent adventure tour bike, with a large gas tank and the 650 or 750 motor.

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mod...50_rally89.htm

The Quota is quirky, but has a 100 percent successful ride completion rate in the US to Ushuaia ride. The 1000 was a much more purpose built bike than the 1100, but was not sold in great numbers or imported into the US. There were probably a total of 400 Quotas built, and it's hard to achieve perfection with such a small production run.

Thanks for the pics of the Stelvio 1200! Very cool looking bike! :thumbup1:
Man, I hope they actually build the thing.

A friend is a long time Guzzi dealer. He had a Quota on the work
stand, so I got to watch him going through it.
It was a trade in being fixed up for re-sale. He knows Guzzi's
pretty well and pointed out some of the flaws on the Quota.

The owner traded it for a new Tiger. So I have no direct experience
with the Quota, never ridden one. But I'm not surprised it made the Usuhaia run without major probs. The basic running gear is beyond repproach....better than BMW IMHO. Guzzi are still the great undiscovered brand. With a few
updates the Quota could have been great.

Perhaps if Piaggio can continue to funnel R&D money into Guzzi and
actually PAY suppliers and make payroll, they may actually build some
world class bikes. It is Piaggio now, right? Hard to follow Italian Corporate
shenanigans. :cursing:

Can you post some pics of your Quota in RTW guise? I'd love to see
it!

Patrick:scooter:

Patrick...
 

what do you ride again?

The Guzzi Legacy
 

Great bikes, lousy owners. They've been on the verge of bankrupcy for more than 85 years.

I am trying to upload photos but they are WAY too big. Any suggestions? I have them posted on my blog at http://motovista.blogspot.com