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Carnet for Thailand
Hello there,
i will fly from Delhi to Bankok with my Africa Twin next week (end of May), my Carnet will expire the first week of June, to get a new one i have been told by the ACI (Italian) that i have to send the old Carnet (closed) and that they will make me a NEW carnet ..of course to do this i will have to leave the Bike at Bankok Airport for the 15 - 20 days the time they need (this is the time frame they gave me)to prepare the new carnet ... i was wondering if the carnet in THAILAND is a must or if they can just writing on the passport or similar then i can send the carnet back to Italy but still have the bike, otherwise i will be stuck for 15-20 day ... if anyone has any idea please .... Thanks Mauro |
Strange, my understanding of the "normal" procedure is that they send you the new carnet, you use the old one to leave India, use the new one to enter Thailand, then send the old one back.
But, is a carnet actually required for Thailand? ------------------ Salut from Southern France, the bikers' paradise, Peter. |
Yes, that would be also more logical, but this is what i have been told ....
I dont know if a Carnet is required for Thailand, i am trying to find out as well .... If anyone knows please post few lines .. Thanks Mauro |
hi there,
a carnet is actually NOT required for Thailand. they will not accept it at BKK airport anyway. you will get a paper from them (for 30 days I think). but a carnet could be useful at borders to laos, cambodia, malaysia. have fun TO [This message has been edited by TheOutsider (edited 21 May 2005).] |
TO, this is the best news u could give me, FANTASTIC.
I will get my carnet renewed/New One in the 15-20 days that i am in Thailand, my worries was that i would have to leave the bike in the customs at the Airport for the time till i would get my carnet .. but like this is simply perfect, i will travel around in the mean time i get the new carnet, then move on to Loas, Cambodia and so on with the new carnet ... Thanks for the info ... u made my day . |
Eh voilà! Another traveller sorted out through the HUBB! http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
------------------ Salut from Southern France, the bikers' paradise, Peter. |
Well lets see once i am in Bankok, but yes the Hub is really a fantastic tool for the ones on the road ....
cheers and will keep posted ... mauro |
Hi TO, well i got this email from a friend whom is also traveling ....
concerning your bike. i didnt use a carnet because i bought the bike in thailand, but you are going to need one. for sure. importtax is high and its not possible without one. something you really should know is about the system of the clearingdays. by ship you have 20 clearingdays, with plain only five. meaning that you have to clear your cargo before that time (paperwork and stuff), if you dont do it within these periods it will cost you A LOT OF MONEY. meaning 100 dollars or more per day. for exemple: the 6th day you start paying , but also for the 5 days before, meaning 600 dollars. alot if you ask me. discussed it yesterday with my danisch collegea (cagiva elephant 900) and he told me a same experience. so watch out. this info they most of the time dont give you. so make sure your paperwork is okay when you go... keep me in touch with the progress.. As u see is much different from what u said .. is your information releiable ?? And how old is the info ... please let me know since i am a bit confused ... mauro |
Thailand doesn't used carnets. They will issue you with a permitthat will allow your vehicle to stay for 30 days and if you haven't remeoved your vehicle by then, I believe you can be fined something like US$20,000. Laos doesn't use carnets either but they may stamp it if they are presented with one.
Basically, if you fly you bike into BKK airport you should be able to get it out within a day or at least by the following day. Take your shippping forms to the cargo authorities when you get there. There will be plenty of people willing to get your paperwork done for you for a price but, you can do it yourself no worries. Cambodia I beleive DO use carnets and so does Malaysia. Malaysia may not ask to see the carnet when entering so present it when you get there and ask for them to stamp it. Singapore don't use carnets. You will need to speak to the Singapore AA guys to obtain insurance to ride in there. |
..one more thing.. when you ride your bike out of the airport.. DON'T ride on the raised tollway OR the road directly below this road.. bikes are not allowed no matter what the engine size. You will cause quite a stir if you try....will produce a nice entourage of police bikes and cars! http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/wink.gif
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If I understand your post correctly you can enter any of these countries without a carnet, right? Its use is optional. Did you actually experience this yourself? If my understanding of all this is correct, and if Indonesia doesn't require a carnet, either, then I could send my carnet home once I leave the Indian subcontinent, as none of the SE Asian countries seems to require a carnet. It is possible to enter Oz without one and it's not needed for NZ. Would save a lot of hassle for renewing, etc. ------------------ Salut from Southern France, the bikers' paradise, Peter. |
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Hi Mauro,
You do not need a Carnet for thailand. We flew our bike into BKK in 2002. However your almost expired Carnet will help with the paperwork required. Go to the customs office at the freight terminal which is a short walk south of the main terminal. Walk right in. Do not deal with the guys outside of the office, even if they have ID tags. Yes they are very friendly and will help for a "price"... Go inside and the nice English speaking secretaries will get you an official customs guy to do your paperwork. Make it clear you want a "white paper" which is a temporary 30 day visa for the bike, and tell them you need to renew your carnet and do not want to use it for the temporary import to thailand. You can renew the "white paper" at any internatinal border crossing for a small fee, which will give you another wonderful 30 days... Enjoy the land of smiles... P.S. Go to Chiang Mai in the north, and look up David Unkovitch. www.gt-rider.com He is has the best info on riding in Northern Thailand and Laos.Great maps too [This message has been edited by Cameron (edited 25 May 2005).] |
Thankks, OT and Cameron,
the bike is in the crate and will be in Bankok by sunday, by monday i will know how it went and let u know ... Thank you very much. Mauro |
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Why present it when it's not required? ****************** >>It is required for Malaysia and the reason you present it, is to get an entry stamp for the day you will leave Malaysia. if you don't when they want to stamp the exit stamp you won't have an entry stamp and questions could be asked. This is exactly what happened to me. If you leave via Singapore you will probably be ok. If you leave via Port Klang then they will probably ask to see your carnet. This was certainly my experience anyway. I went to Singapore and left Singapore back to ship my bike from port Klang. The guys in the port sorted my entry stamp for me though at Port Klang. ****************************** If I understand your post correctly you can enter any of these countries without a carnet, right? Its use is optional. ********************* >> Nope.. Malaysia requires carnets as I understand it Did you actually experience this yourself? >>Yes - If I hadn't I wouldn't have posted this *************************** If my understanding of all this is correct, and if Indonesia doesn't require a carnet, either, then I could send my carnet home once I leave the Indian subcontinent, as none of the SE Asian countries seems to require a carnet. ************* >> Not sure about Indonesia as not been there ************* </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> [This message has been edited by Spud (edited 25 May 2005).] |
Thailand doesnt require a carnet and I see no reason why you cant get stamped in and out of Malaysia with the carnet without having Thai stamps.
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I myself am trying to find a way in without a carnet on Thai regged bike.. |
Thailand is not in the carnet system, theyve got their own temporary import paper.
Malaysia and Indonesia are. When entering (and exiting!) Malaysia, be sure that they will stamp it properly... we could´ve just sneaked in from Thailand, because no-one seemed to care, but it could bring problems when exiting. Actually you could probably enter without a carnet, but I wouldnt recommend that, can get you into trouble later on. I would definitely get the carnet for Indonesia... plus do my homework thoroughly before setting off, as to how entering has worked in different ports of entry. There seems to be a HUGE difference in the way the authorities will co-operate. Some people I met were in deep trouble getting their bikes in, even with a carnet. One German was asked to produce a letter from the United Nations in order to bring his bike in at Jakarta airport. That might give you some idea, how ridiculous it can get. Also Dumai and Surabaya ports seemed to bring troubles. The Cakra Shipping cargo boat from Penang to Belawan worked ok for us (Feb-08). |
i spoke with rac in the uk about entering thailand with my AT.they forwarded this link
http://www.customs.go.th/Customs-Eng/PersonalVehiclesTemp/TemporaryImport.jsp?menuNme=PersonalTem might give you an idea whats needed.rac mentioned that things had changed recently with taking bikes into the country but had no feedback as no travellers had left any.hope this helps??:thumbup1: |
I entered Thailand 5 months ago from Laos. I don't think the procedures have changed recently, at least not as they are applied on the ground. Upon arrival at a land border, you are asked for your passport and bike rego, you fill in a form and customs hands you the "Simplified Goods Declaration". For vehicles other than bikes a deposit or bank guarantee is required.
You are now allowed to keep the bike in the country for one month. The permit can be extended 30 days at a time at any customs office, up to the expiry date of your passport entry stamp, up to a maximum of 6 months. After 6 months you MUST export your bike. All this is free of charge. My 6 months are almost up and next week I'm off to Laos for a visa run, upon which the whole process starts all over again. I was under the impression that Malaysia does NOT require the use of the carnet. I searched the MY customs web site, but there is nothing. Not that it matters all that much to me, as Indo requires it. |
Malaysia was listed in my carnet as one of the Asian countries that require it. It is also listed on several sites on the net, so unless that has changed just recently, I believe they officially do require it.
Sure there seems to be a good chance you could in reality go there without one, at least through the land border with Thailand. No-one asked for it, and I had to walk into the office, and look up the customs officer, who then duly stamped it. And he didnt bother to even see the bike! |
The list of countries on the carnet is not a list of countries that *require* it, rather a list where it is accepted. You find some EU countries on there.
After a quick HUBB search (using Google) I take it as read that it is NOT required: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ut-carnet-3819 |
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There you got Malaysia on the list of countries, that REQUIRE the carnet. Theres also a note that " In certain African countries, the CPD is not officially required, but is often used to facilitate temporary importation", but obviously Malaysia is not one of those countries. Maybe it is in fact the same for Malaysia then, but in that case their information is partly outdated or incorrect. Well, Im now finished my trip already, so what do I care. And they seemed almost too relaxed at the border, so in reality if you dont have it, you probably wont need it to enter the country. |
You are right, it's on that list. But, as they say themselves in footnote 1), the list may be outdated.
America: see link on the left here on HUBB, NO countries require it. Asia: I have entered Oman & UAE at least twice each and nobody asked for it. UAE made a mess of it on arrival from Iran, when the shipping co. handed it to them in my absence and again upon leaving to Oman the first time when we had to stamp it ourselves after they messed up another page. Oceania: Aus & NZ don't require it, see their respective customs websites. Unfortunately, this document, originating from the AIT, which administers the carnet scheme, then makes the rounds everywhere and people like the ADAC in Germany take it as gospel. Well, that's what we have the HUBB for and Wikipedia, where we can post correct info. |
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I suspect the reason they were not looking to stamp the carnet and no one was looking was the vast majority of the volume of traffic is local Thai / Malay vehicles that are allowed through carnet'less. |
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