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pbekkerh 14 Jun 2013 07:57

HUBB texts are RED!!
 
When using the "new threads" criteria, all the normally black texts, have gone red. Looks and reads awfully.

Also my name, after Welcome and logged in as, is in red.

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realmc26 14 Jun 2013 09:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbekkerh (Post 425901)
When using the "new threads" criteria, all the normally black texts, have gone red. Looks and reads awfully.

Also my name, after Welcome and logged in as, is in red.

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yes prefer it in black as well

javkap 14 Jun 2013 12:21

+ 1 For the return to the Black!

Saludos

bobn 14 Jun 2013 12:53

Red text !!!!
 
Please return to black. Very hard to read red in the sun.

rockwallaby 14 Jun 2013 13:11

It was never black before, it was blue, just a different shade.
And the new colour is not red either, I'd say it's brown.

Red is the colour of the triangle at the top right hand corner of your post, or if you're not convinced, check out that ghastly flashing red 'NEW' in the right side bar.

BROWN RED


If it were red, I would advised against it as many males have low sensitivity to red, being in the of longer wavelength in the visible colour spectrum we see.

Anyway I like the new colour very much.
_____
Paul

Bennett 14 Jun 2013 14:13

:funmeteryes: IMHO red is a great improvement, keep it.
Ben

Fern 14 Jun 2013 16:51

i'm finding it hard to read....

motoreiter 14 Jun 2013 18:53

I prefer the old color as well, but not a big deal I guess.

JustMe 14 Jun 2013 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbekkerh (Post 425901)
Also my name, after Welcome and logged in as, is in red.

:biggrin3::biggrin3:
Dude, what happened to the good old "We are red, we are white, we are Danish dynamite!"? Black is for sissies.

Scootergal 15 Jun 2013 00:07

C'mon people. Step out of your comfort zone and LIVE a little :thumbup1:

realmc26 15 Jun 2013 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockwallaby (Post 425929)
It was never black before, it was blue, just a different shade.
And the new colour is not red either, I'd say it's brown.
Paul

Ok I hate the Brown colour even more now than when I thought it was red

Grant Johnson 15 Jun 2013 04:58

Interesting the comments and thoughts on this! Thanks for all the feedback, we do pay attention!

The colour is tawny orange, slightly adjusted.

Just a reminder - we've had it on the rest of the site for over a year! Have a look please! We're finally getting the HUBB in line with the rest of HU re styles, colours etc.

Everybody has said they like the rest of the site design, looks, color etc.

At this time we're unlikely to make any major changes to colors. I'm investigating a slightly darker version, but that's it. If anyone has a problem with readability because of color blindness, please let me know. I am aware that red can be an issue there, so perhaps less red in it.

Also, who on earth can read anything on a computer / phone screen in the sun? I can barely tell my phone is ON much less read it!

thanks, Grant

pbekkerh 15 Jun 2013 07:37

There must be a reason that nobody else on the net, uses brownish/orange/red for links. its ugly!!!
I guess the most common is blue.

pbekkerh 15 Jun 2013 07:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keks (Post 425957)
:biggrin3::biggrin3:
Dude, what happened to the good old "We are red, we are white, we are Danish dynamite!"? Black is for sissies.

Sorry, keks, I never was much into football. Did you see the hats they were wearing. Pull the strings and it would clap the hands doh

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...e/Klaphat.jpeg

realmc26 15 Jun 2013 09:57

Grant just wondering why you decided to mess with the font colour at all?

It does make it much harder to read in certain light conditions and as pointed out it is pretty damn ugly to boot.

I routinely curse any websites that use fonts with any shades of red but it could just be my 50 year old eyes!

Doesn't really add anything positive IMHO.

rockwallaby 15 Jun 2013 10:03

Grant,
It would be possible that you allow users to select one of a few different profiles for how each prefer to view the forum?

How about a simple daytime and nighttime
colour scheme?
Nighttime would be ideal for when we want to check in on the HUB when we're snuggled down in our tents and don't want the blazing glare to burn our retinas out in the darkness of our tent.

Much how GPSs do, as an idea?

Like I mentioned, I quite like it, as there is already a lot of blue and black and this colour softens it up a bit. But in saying that, I do understand that these range of colours are not normally used as a text colour for web sites. There is a debate on another techie forum I'm active on regarding much the same, where the colour used for text post headings is orange.
_____
Paul

Fern 15 Jun 2013 16:15

Red is difficult for dyslexics to read so now I am doing to look into some software or browser Add on to see if I can change it. Trouble is it will probably change all of the text.

Walkabout 15 Jun 2013 16:35

It's certainly not red to my eyes but it does look a bit "wishy washy" especially when the text "greys out" after being read.
Anyone who is colour-visually-impaired might struggle with this shade of orangey-light brown.

How about a deeper, chocolate brown?
I like dark chocolate rather than milk choco. :innocent:

pbekkerh 15 Jun 2013 16:35

Can't you just undo the last change? It was good, as it was :-)

Toyark 15 Jun 2013 17:06

I would describe that colour as rust, ;)
something our old bikes know only too well!
Alas it does it harder to read in the sun.

oldbmw 16 Jun 2013 00:04

I am colour blind so often green looks blue to me and I can't see red. I did notice what I would call brownish orange and on a white background it is relatively easy for me to read. Start mixing reds/blacks greens and blues and I wont even know there is writing present, so I wont compalin just not know I am not seeing it.

I used to manufacture and sell reading systems for the blind and visually impaired. There is a whole range of conditions out there. There is no one solution as to what is correct. On my systems for the visually impaired clients could choose a base font to any size. (limit a character had to greater than one pixel and less than a screenful). choose their own background and font colours (yellow on black was very common as a best choice). select the distance between characters and lines, also change the height to width ratio of the font.

So I know pleasing everyone will be impossible. But is is easy to antagonise more people with careful selection of gimmicky colours :)

I need a fairly big size of print so run a 22" at 1152 x 864 This is the highest resolution I can run and still read the text. I used to run at 1024x 768 but had to change up into what is not entirely comfortable for pages to format properly. I know there is stuff to the right of my screen at this moment, off the box into which I am typing. I never see that. so it was a waste of programming time. There was a time when a 17" screen gave me really legible print, but as the resolutions increase so I get to see less and less of what the developers are pushing out. It really is self defeating. Often I have to centre my screen to where the text is because of so much advertising clutter does not leave enough room for me to see the end of the text lines if i leave it left justified. Then I dont get to see the clutter at all.

Grant Johnson 16 Jun 2013 00:29

Thanks for all the feedback everyone!

We've spent the last several hours fiddling with colours, and have come to the conclusion - for now, subject to change! - that blue will work, so we've changed the HUBB and main site to blue-ish links.

It's a softer "steel blue" than the hard bright default blue (that we hated), and we think works well with our colour scheme. We even like the tawny orange bullet points > against the blue - really stands out!

Hopefully you'll all like it, if not please let us know.

Grant Johnson 16 Jun 2013 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldbmw (Post 426109)
...So I know pleasing everyone will be impossible. But is is easy to antagonise more people with careful selection of gimmicky colours :)

...as the resolutions increase so I get to see less and less of what the developers are pushing out. It really is self defeating. ...Then I dont get to see the clutter at all.

Pleasing everyone - Absolutely impossible! And people are resistant to change too.

As for developers wasting time - remember that most desktop computers are 1366 or wider, and most people run at full resolution. So, while it's a waste of time on you, over 70% of our visitors are quite happy at 1280 resolution. And the part that matters the most, the content, is at 1024.

Colour blindness affects at most 6% of the population from my reading, and that's one type of color blindness, the rest of the issues are all under .01%!

Hopefully it's now best for all.

thanks for the input!

Endurodude 16 Jun 2013 10:01

This is nicer than the burnt orange; thanks!

pbekkerh 16 Jun 2013 10:47

Aaaaaaaahhhhh :D

realmc26 16 Jun 2013 11:05

:thumbup1:

Toyark 16 Jun 2013 11:47

ahhhh +1 ! almost duck egg blue- Good choice Susan :)

rockwallaby 16 Jun 2013 13:21

Me too, I'm happy with the new colour.
_____
Paul

oldbmw 17 Jun 2013 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant Johnson (Post 426111)
Pleasing everyone - Absolutely impossible! And people are resistant to change too.

As for developers wasting time - remember that most desktop computers are 1366 or wider, and most people run at full resolution. So, while it's a waste of time on you, over 70% of our visitors are quite happy at 1280 resolution. And the part that matters the most, the content, is at 1024.

Colour blindness affects at most 6% of the population from my reading, and that's one type of color blindness, the rest of the issues are all under .01%!

Hopefully it's now best for all.

thanks for the input!

If I ran at full resolution the text would be too small for me to read :(
I had to go up to 1150 something for another site. Nice to know I can drop back to 1024 here for a more comfy read :)

Update, Nope 1024 no good, I miss a bit either side of this edit box ( only a bit )

Grant Johnson 17 Jun 2013 06:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldbmw (Post 426264)
If I ran at full resolution the text would be too small for me to read :(
I had to go up to 1150 something for another site. Nice to know I can drop back to 1024 here for a more comfy read :)

Update, Nope 1024 no good, I miss a bit either side of this edit box ( only a bit )

Have you ever tried just using the browser "ctrl and +" hotkey to enlarge everything? (Hold down ctrl key, and tap +)

Keep tapping for even larger, and tap - instead of + for smaller, and ctrl-0 to set back to standard.

hope that helps!

bobn 17 Jun 2013 10:59

Nice colour change, very tasteful and more importantly, legible in bright light. :)

realmc26 17 Jun 2013 11:51

Grant are you messing with our minds? My font has gone back to that browny red colour. Actually it looks like rust.
I liked the blue!

Grant Johnson 18 Jun 2013 05:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by realmc26 (Post 426315)
Grant are you messing with our minds? My font has gone back to that browny red colour. Actually it looks like rust.
I liked the blue!

nope, it's still nice blue!

Are you on another computer and need to force a refresh to get the latest code on it?

I wouldn't mess with your minds... :innocent:

palace15 18 Jun 2013 08:52

On my lap top its the rusty colour and on my mates one its still a nice blue?

chris 18 Jun 2013 08:53

Can we have the rusty brown back please? I really liked it... Blue is boring. :D:funmeteryes::ban: Any chance of setting up a CSS so I can set my own colour? Maybe have pink as one of the options.:smartass:

oldbmw 18 Jun 2013 13:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant Johnson (Post 426280)
Have you ever tried just using the browser "ctrl and +" hotkey to enlarge everything? (Hold down ctrl key, and tap +)

Keep tapping for even larger, and tap - instead of + for smaller, and ctrl-0 to set back to standard.

hope that helps!

The problem with that is you very quickly get into the realms of having to pan about the page to read the end of each line. This requires a lot of hand to eye coordination. Not the best solution for someone with optical problems.

In the reading systems I made for the visually impaired, the text was always formatted so that whatever was on screen was sequential text. It was done by scanning in the text, OCR'ing it then displaying it in the size required using graphics on variable sized fonts. Imagine a small window

The Quick
Brown fox
jumped over
the lazy

This gives the reader a dollop of text big enough to convey information.. now imagine just magnifying like this

The quick
now yo have to pan right until this disappears hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

brown fox
now yo have to pan right until this disappears hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

jumped over ,,,,, ad nauseum..

so magnification is not he answer unless the text is justified to suit the magnification.

I buy a bigger screen to get bigger text. this is defeated by the use of higher resolutions :(.

Grant Johnson 21 Jun 2013 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by palace15 (Post 426429)
On my lap top its the rusty colour and on my mates one its still a nice blue?

Sounds like you need to force a refresh!

ANY time things seem weird, force a refresh - on any site!

Grant


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