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Lovetheworld 24 May 2019 07:30

Yes. And the Rivian truck is coming with an option for a huge battery pack that will have a range of 800 to 1000km. That means your pretty free in chosing your route amd bushcamping and what not, you just gotto find a plug.
Obviously it is still way to expensive and it needs to get down to an acceptable second hand market.
But for the trips we have done, the range is very acceptable and would not have been an issue.

m37charlie 28 May 2019 01:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterpaul (Post 600655)
The future is now...


https://plugmeinproject.com/

Who is really sustaining you? All these donors... Conservation of energy, it doesn’t come from nothing. And how much fossil fuel is used in the generation of electricity in various countries?

Lovetheworld 28 May 2019 22:33

Valid point. I have even seen small island which had a huge diesel generator, might as well run on diesel straight away :P
And you could also wonder why you would go through a gas power plant if the stuff can be burned in cars right away (many CNG cars these days).
However, there are more and more renewable energy plants being installed everywhere, so that is the direction we are heading. It does vary a lot. Just look at Europe. One country uses only coal, Denmark is using almost only wind power.

But the efficiency of an electric vehicle is hard to beat.

m37charlie 2 Jun 2019 18:48

Coal is the source of over 70% of electricity in both India and China. Electric vehicles do not make sense there yet.

markharf 2 Jun 2019 22:07

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Originally Posted by m37charlie (Post 600917)
Coal is the source of over 70% of electricity in both India and China. Electric vehicles do not make sense there yet.

I'm not sure that this follows. Coal is destructive--no doubt about it. But does that mean that gasoline, diesel, LNG, LPG, or others are better fuels? Say, better for the earth? Better for the user? Better for bystanders? Better for local people who get caught up in resource-based wars, profiteering, corruption or oppression?

As far as I can tell, all fuels have their drawbacks. There is a case to be made for electricity: its end-use is clean and efficient. Do these advantages still apply if that electricity is produced by coal? Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn't rule it out just because I don't like coal.

Hey, I don't like copper mines either, or aluminum smelting, or massive dams; does that rule out solar, wind, or hydro power? I don't like fracking, and I sure don't like the geopolitical aspects of big oil; what's that say about burning methane, propane, natural gas, petrol or diesel?

Just trying to notice that things are seldom simple, e.g., "If coal is bad, so are electric vehicles using coal-generated electricity."

Mark

Lovetheworld 3 Jun 2019 12:12

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Originally Posted by m37charlie (Post 600917)
Coal is the source of over 70% of electricity in both India and China. Electric vehicles do not make sense there yet.

If you are talking about CO2 emissions and global warming, then yes. (but China has the biggest plans, they roll out more solar panel plants in one year than Europe had built combined)

If you are talking about local emission in those smog cities of Asia, it makes a big difference.
They are also closing down industries to close to the city etc.

Samy 16 Jun 2019 15:50

It seems more cities will be banned to enter with diesel engined vehicles in next decades.

Big brands still manufacture diesel engined cars, vans and trucks especially... And seems they will continue to manufacture.

When 100 liter petrol is refined we have 18 liter of diesel. What to do that after stopping the usage of diesel?

After 20-30 years, we will still have diesel with less availability, more expensive and less cities/countries...

And we all will be 20-30 years elder...

So no problem...

It will be problem of next generation

Lovetheworld 20 Jun 2019 14:49

@Samy: It is already a problem now as far as I am concered. There are many different versions of diesel around the world, and engines that can handle it. Yes the oldest diesel engines can take it, but the new stuff cannot.

If you are talking about 20 to 30 years span, the availability of simple diesel cars (4x4 or not) will get pretty bad. What will be available is what is sold in the last 10 years or what is to come, which to me is pretty unsuitable for overlanding because of the bad fuel quality in many places.
I like a new Mercedes Sprinter, but I would not like to take it on our past two trips we did before, with that bad diesel.

So at this point in time it is already difficult to find, for example, a good 4x4 that uses a simple diesel engine, that isn't to old/rusted yet.
Petrol needs to be of a certain quality to run any petrol engine. And although it exists that you can find 80 octane fuel, it is really rare to find only that, you always find 92 or 95 octane fuel. And most cars will run on that, also pretty much any modern car.

And it is always easier to find petrol than diesel.

Or you can do as these guys, build a solar rack on this goofy electric van, take it easy and enjoy free driving range, without any dependency.
(But most people, including me, want to travel faster)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pcj2lQwH7N4/maxresdefault.jpg

backofbeyond 21 Jun 2019 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterpaul (Post 600655)
The future is now...


https://plugmeinproject.com/

Interesting project - an electric car plus "I travel without money and rely on the kindness of people". He does seem to have made it to Oz though so that must say something about the kindness of strangers.

I passed someone recently trying to do doing a shorter UK version on a bicycle. He had a cardboard sign hanging from the bike saying something like 'LeJog (or JoGLe as he was going south) without money, please help".

Whether he was doing it for some charity's benefit or just because he needed to get there and didn't have any money the sign didn't say.

Jay_Benson 20 Jul 2019 20:26

I suspect that, like now with petrol or diesel, the future will also have a choice - battery powered electric vehicles or hydrogen fuel cell powered electric vehicles. The use of petrol and diesel is likely to continue for some time as mainstream fuels in the developing world due to the cost of rolling out new infrastructures for battery recharging and hydrogen refuelling. The internal combustion engine is likely to disappear as choice for new vehicles quite soon in many markets due to the pollution they cause.

In the UK they are getting concerned about the pollution caused by the wear of tyres and brakes. Our old machines using fossil fuels will, in time, become as rare a sight as steam powered traction engines are now.

m37charlie 22 Jul 2019 13:27

Maybe I don’t get it, or maybe I do. In the USA 63% of electricity is fossil fuel. Where does the electricity for hydrolysis of water for hydrogen vehicles come from? Until the grids worldwide wean off fossil fuel (as previously stated India/China are >70%) there’s a bit of a problem calling electric vehicles “carbon neutral”. And still a place for the IC engine especially burning things like algae derived hydrocarbons. Solar of course being the energy source.
I do admit I am fixated on climate change.

grumpy geezer 22 Jul 2019 14:48

Remember when there was leaded gas in all pumps at all stations ? Along came some pie in the sky dreamers trying to destroy the world who demanded that lead be removed? Too expensive, no pumps for unleaded existed, no one would risk their engines to unleaded gas. Big Brother government bureaucrats came along and required all stations to have one pump for unleaded gas.:rain::(. These days, almost all cars and bikes run on unleaded. Change can start slow and pick up speed. Once it gets to a breaking point there is no turning back.


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