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Tommytrojan 10 Nov 2016 21:27

World wide liability insurance
 
I'll be traveling in Mexico and Central America. Mexico requires mandatory liability insurance but many other CA countries do not. I don't plan on getting local liability in every country I'll be passing through. Does anybody know if there is a world wide liability insurance? I'm thinking of getting an umbrella policy which has a world wide coverage but it pricey. Any ideas?
I'm located in the US.

Cheers,
Thomas

xfiltrate 10 Nov 2016 21:49

Insurance for Central America
 
Tommytrojan,

Apparently you have done some research. Could you please advise which Central American country does not require insurance for foreign tourist motorcycle?

I have traveled by land - by Moto and by SUV the States to Panama and return several times and have yet to discover a Central American country that does not require liability insurance. Please update me. Thanks

You might be able to find a Mexican company Sanborns for example that may have contacts in Central America, (but I doubt Sanborns will sell insurance - other than for Mexico) I was never able to find one policy to cover Mexico and all of Central America. Nicaragua for example requires you to buy a government sponsored insurance at the border - it is very inexpensive and is a liability only policy.

Please share your research. And you might want to read here:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...wo-bikes-89328

thanks. eat, drink and buy insurance. xfiltrate

javkap 10 Nov 2016 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommytrojan (Post 550844)
I'll be traveling in Mexico and Central America. Mexico requires mandatory liability insurance but many other CA countries do not. I don't plan on getting local liability in every country I'll be passing through. Does anybody know if there is a world wide liability insurance? I'm thinking of getting an umbrella policy which has a world wide coverage but it pricey. Any ideas?
I'm located in the US.

Cheers,
Thomas

Even when a company says that their insurance has a worldwide coverage many countries will not recognize it as valid, many countries demand to have a local company coverage and some they have agreements with neighbors countries like down South America where we have the Mercosur agreement and the Carta Verde normally is valid for Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay, Bolivia and Peru.

Saludos

Tommytrojan 11 Nov 2016 07:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by xfiltrate (Post 550845)
Tommytrojan,

Apparently you have done some research. Could you please advise which Central American country does not require insurance for foreign tourist motorcycle?

I have traveled by land - by Moto and by SUV the States to Panama and return several times and have yet to discover a Central American country that does not require liability insurance. Please update me. Thanks

You might be able to find a Mexican company Sanborns for example that may have contacts in Central America, (but I doubt Sanborns will sell insurance - other than for Mexico) I was never able to find one policy to cover Mexico and all of Central America. Nicaragua for example requires you to buy a government sponsored insurance at the border - it is very inexpensive and is a liability only policy.

Please share your research. And you might want to read here:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...wo-bikes-89328

thanks. eat, drink and buy insurance. xfiltrate

I don't remember which country doesn't (from what I have been told) require liability insurance. I' m sure I'll find out when I get down there. In any case, I'm planning on getting an 'umbrella' insurance and they are usually 'excess coverages', that means they will cover you (world wide) above and beyond your primary insurance. And that is the magic word, if you don't have primary insurance there is no coverage. I was hoping to go for a 'one stop shop' but I'm afraid there is no such thing and I need to get insurance in every country on the way.

markharf 11 Nov 2016 07:44

You're going to pay a lot of money for a secondary insurance policy which is very unlikely to do you any good--at least, when we've discussed it here in the past no one can ever report having made use of theirs. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that those "worldwide" polices are basically scams.

You'll still need to purchase separate insurance in many, perhaps most countries. That may seem like a big deal, but it's not; for the most part, people are hanging around wanting to sell you insurance, and they make it easy. The consternation around this issue that many people feel in advance of a trip is mostly wasted energy. You'll see.

Hope that's helpful.

Mark

Tommytrojan 11 Nov 2016 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by markharf (Post 550859)
You're going to pay a lot of money for a secondary insurance policy which is very unlikely to do you any good--at least, when we've discussed it here in the past no one can ever report having made use of theirs. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that those "worldwide" polices are basically scams.

You'll still need to purchase separate insurance in many, perhaps most countries. That may seem like a big deal, but it's not; for the most part, people are hanging around wanting to sell you insurance, and they make it easy. The consternation around this issue that many people feel in advance of a trip is mostly wasted energy. You'll see.

Hope that's helpful.

Mark

Mark,

Thanks for the tip. I'll get the local insurance for sure.

Thomas

Dinshaw 11 Nov 2016 09:49

Vehicle insurance
 
Hi- interesting question- and something similar I have too.

I am a Pakistan citizen and my wife and I are planning an overland travel in 2017 from Pakistan to UK

The vehicle is registered in Pakistan. My Pakistani insurance will only give me cover within the Country.

I require 3rd party COMPREHENSIVE international insurance/coverage (similar in lines to the European Green Card Insurance) which must also give third party cover for accidents, etc.- some policy covers mentioned below as an example-

1. Legal liability for death or injury to any other person (liability to third parties)
2. Legal liability for damage to other people's property (liability to third party assets)
3. Loss or damage of insured vehicle by fire, theft or vandalism
4. Damage to insured vehicle in the event of an accident
5. Accident recovery and repair service

Any companies who would cover my vehicle with full comprehensive vehicle/liability & 3rd party insurance ?

I saw the World Nomads and BUPA sites- they cover medical/health, etc - which is what I woudl take out anyway; but they do'nt cover the vehicle itself and damages/accidents with other vehicles.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Dinshaw

Tony LEE 11 Nov 2016 09:52

Ecuadore does not require foreign vehicles to have separate liability insurance provided you enter under a valid TIP and it is current. This may require valid and current registration back in the home country though

Warin 11 Nov 2016 10:22

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Originally Posted by Dinshaw (Post 550867)
I require 3rd party COMPREHENSIVE international insurance/coverage (similar in lines to the European Green Card Insurance) which must also give third party cover for accidents, etc

It would be nice to have it available. However the cost of it is believed to be too expensive - so that if it were made available no one would buy it. Say it was the cost of a new Rolls Royce for one years coverage (or if you have a Rolls Royce - 10 times its cost new) ... would you buy it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dinshaw (Post 550867)
I saw the World Nomads and BUPA sites- they cover medical/health, etc - which is what I would take out anyway

They usually offer 2 different covers. Coverage for the USA is more expensive than anywhere else .. due to the high cost of medical procedures there.

The repair costs of a vehicle that is not imported into a country and has no dealers there ... would be extremely high! So coverage costs are also going to be high. I would like to see some provision for coverage for others property and personal damage ... those should be easily available from the local insurance people ... that I think could be affordable.
Theft is a problem ... but as the vehicle is unusual it will usually surface.
Repair costs ... most overlanders develop the skills to effect repairs .. at least to the stage of getting to somewhere with support, where repair cost would be more reasonable.

Dinshaw 11 Nov 2016 11:36

Many thanks

Appreciate your response.

Dinshaw

mark manley 11 Nov 2016 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dinshaw (Post 550867)
Hi- interesting question- and something similar I have too.

I am a Pakistan citizen and my wife and I are planning an overland travel in 2017 from Pakistan to UK

The vehicle is registered in Pakistan. My Pakistani insurance will only give me cover within the Country.

I require 3rd party COMPREHENSIVE international insurance/coverage (similar in lines to the European Green Card Insurance) which must also give third party cover for accidents, etc.- some policy covers mentioned below as an example-

1. Legal liability for death or injury to any other person (liability to third parties)
2. Legal liability for damage to other people's property (liability to third party assets)
3. Loss or damage of insured vehicle by fire, theft or vandalism
4. Damage to insured vehicle in the event of an accident
5. Accident recovery and repair service

Any companies who would cover my vehicle with full comprehensive vehicle/liability & 3rd party insurance ?

I saw the World Nomads and BUPA sites- they cover medical/health, etc - which is what I woudl take out anyway; but they do'nt cover the vehicle itself and damages/accidents with other vehicles.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Dinshaw

I doubt you will find one motor insurance policy which will cover you the whole way but believe insurance for Iran is available at the border, it certainly is at the Turkish border and they won't let you in without it and an all Europe green card is available for the rest of your trip. If you can get into Iran without a carnet you won't need one for the rest of the trip.

Dinshaw 12 Nov 2016 05:47

Dear Mark

Many thanks

Dinshaw

Warin 12 Nov 2016 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark manley (Post 550882)
believe insurance for Iran is available at the border, it certainly is at the Turkish border and they won't let you in without it and an all Europe green card is available for the rest of your trip.

Usually what is 'offered' (or demanded) at the border is a minimum insurance .. usually third party personal .. sometimes third party property too. Comprehensive is seldom available.

dooby 12 Nov 2016 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dinshaw (Post 550867)
Hi- interesting question- and something similar I have too.

I am a Pakistan citizen and my wife and I are planning an overland travel in 2017 from Pakistan to UK

The vehicle is registered in Pakistan. My Pakistani insurance will only give me cover within the Country.

I require 3rd party COMPREHENSIVE international insurance/coverage (similar in lines to the European Green Card Insurance) which must also give third party cover for accidents, etc.- some policy covers mentioned below as an example-

1. Legal liability for death or injury to any other person (liability to third parties)
2. Legal liability for damage to other people's property (liability to third party assets)
3. Loss or damage of insured vehicle by fire, theft or vandalism
4. Damage to insured vehicle in the event of an accident
5. Accident recovery and repair service

Any companies who would cover my vehicle with full comprehensive vehicle/liability & 3rd party insurance ?

I saw the World Nomads and BUPA sites- they cover medical/health, etc - which is what I woudl take out anyway; but they do'nt cover the vehicle itself and damages/accidents with other vehicles.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Dinshaw

Uhm firmly believe this kind of company doesn't exist, or should I say there is no company offering these kind of policies. Even if you buy wider third party insurance policy/comprehensive insurance or combo of both from some of the European providers that will cover third party side/full comp of the story in ex social block countries, it will not cover you in a case of theft, period.

There is very small need and inquiries for the full service, hence no offer from the insurance companies, because the price would be just too high.

Other is as always well explained by inmate mark manley.

BR
Dooby

Dinshaw 12 Nov 2016 15:49

Many thanks


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