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Fernbrook 12 Aug 2022 12:04

Is a Carnet de Passage necessary?
 
I have been doing some research recently relating to the number of countries that require a Carnet when entering a country with a vehicle- in my case a motorcycle. It appears that only a handful of countries actually require it. My information is dated 3/2/2020. I gather that some countries will still insist on provision of fees (some refundable when leaving) -they are called TIP charges in many instances- even though a Carnet is not required. The question I'm asking myself as a potential first-time user of the Carnet (never travelled with a vehicle previously) is I guess-is a Carnet necessary after all, if you plan to avoid the countries requiring one? Thoughts and opinions folks?

mark manley 12 Aug 2022 13:09

You will probably get a better reply by telling us where you plan to visit, your question is too general and people with actual experience will need to know before we can answer.

PanEuropean 12 Aug 2022 19:36

+1 to Mark's comment - tell us where you plan to go, then we can give you more precise information.

In general terms, you don't need a carnet for Western & Central European countries, or for Canada or the USA.

Michael

markharf 12 Aug 2022 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by PanEuropean (Post 630308)

In general terms, you don't need a carnet for Western & Central European countries, or for Canada or the USA.

Michael

Or Central or South America.

Fernbrook 13 Aug 2022 12:59

Carnet
 
Apologies folks for not providing enough details of the places I want to visit in my earlier post. South America, Central America, USA, Europe (quite a few countries), Middle East and a number of African countries is where I plan to go. As you can see, most of the areas I plan to visit don't require a Carnet.
Kenya, Mali, Senegal,South Sudan, Sudan (I doubt that I will visit these last two) and one or two other countries (newly established ones possibly) are the only ones I can find that require Carnets. Carnets are not required in Europe, Sth America or Nth America apparently. Nevertheless, I have read that the USA can require some form of payment and Germany can as well (depending where in Germany you enter, I think). I gleaned this info. from a site where overland travellers had taken vehicles into a number of countries.
Did anybody (taking a vehicle into a country) find that they had to pay charges into any countries where officially a Carnet was not required? If so, if you had a Carnet, would it have made things easier?

mark manley 13 Aug 2022 13:31

I have not heard of the USA requiring any kind of bond, I have crossed by a land border twice without any such issue and it has been mentioned here a couple of times that if you ship into Hamburg they ask for one so the solution is do not ship to Hamburg and enter Germany by a land border.
Hopefully other will have the latest on Africa, I had one for southern and east Africa and it made border crossings quick and hassle free but I understand many coutries are possible without.
Also consider the length of your trip which sounds like it could be more than 12 months, if so do not get a carnet until you need one to save the hassle and expense of renewing it.

PanEuropean 13 Aug 2022 18:50

Some additional information about North Africa:

You don't need a carnet for either Morocco or Tunisia. It's generally considered to be not possible to enter Algeria (the country between Morocco & Tunisia) as a tourist either with or without a carnet... Algeria is not tourist-oriented.

Libya, the country to the east of Tunisia, is in a state of civil war right now and it would not be advisable to travel there, which makes the whole carnet question moot.

Michael

Fernbrook 15 Aug 2022 05:52

Carnet necessity
 
Thanks for your help everyone. I thought I read that Hamburg was an issue when entering Germany. I'll take on board the info. supplied. Cheers


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