Countries requiring a Carnet
 

Hi,
First I would like to thank Beddhist for his post about the website listing visa requirements for most of the World!! I was wondering if anyone knows of similar sites listing coutries the require a carnet, specifically for British licence holders??
Cheers Del Boy.

Frayed Knot. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/wink.gif

The only site I'm aware of is the AIT (link on the left under Carnet), but it's only theoretically correct: it lists all countries that ACCEPT the CDP, not those REQUIRING it.

About as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Perhaps I should start one?

Here we go:

America, N & S: no
Europe: no

Africa
Maroc no
Algeria no?
Tunisia no?
Lybia ?
Egypt yes
Jordan no?
Israel who cares, you can't leave!
Lebanon no?
Syria yes?

Australia yes, but see info on the left!
NZ no

Asia
Turkey no
Iraq who knows, closed for now
Iran yes
Afghanistan ? you don't want to go there quite yet...
Pakistan yes
India yes
Nepal yes
Bangladesh yes?
Myanmar ?
China no, but you can't normally enter anyway
Thailand no?
Laos no?
Cambodia ?
Vietnam ? no bikes over 175cc
Malaysia ?
Indonesia ?
East Timor ?

There, I made a start.

All those who have been to ? countries can report whether carnets are required and then we have a list.

Perhaps our busy hosts will incorporate the result in the site somewhere.

Over to you folks!

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Salut from Southern France, the bikers' paradise,

Peter.

Hi Peter,
Thanks for the infos. Do you have an idea about Middle East countries like, UAE, Qatar, Oman, S.Arabia, Bahrain and Yemen?


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ride safely
ozhan u.
www.ozhanu.com

Some travellers tell that from Turkey to Iran some border posts have alternative available for Carnet for Iran, costs around 100-200-300$ (depends how good "talker" you are on your bike's worth) and takes a lot of paperwork hassle, but doable if you don't have much to deposit hugely on Carnet before the trip.

What i'd be interested is also the Carnet requirement or possible ways of skiping it for UAE, Oman and Yemen?

Cheers, Margus

[This message has been edited by Margus (edited 11 April 2005).]

We used a Carnet in our 2003-2004 travels in the following countries flagged by **yes**. Details at www.hackneys.com/travel.



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www.hackneys.com/travel

Thanks for the info Douglas. But the real question is not where you CAN use your carnet, if you have one, but where it is REQUIRED.

Do you have any info on that?

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Salut from Southern France, the bikers' paradise,

Peter.

From what I've gathered uptil now, a carnet should NOT be required for:

Tunesia
Libya
Niger

Does anyone know about: Chad, Cameroon and Gabon?

Thanks!

No carnet required for South American countries? Really? Great news.. I must admit I ahven't done any research on this area of the world but I would sure like to make a trip there.
Dave

What a great BBS this is.
This afternoon I was looking for this information but could not find it.
Thanks!

[This message has been edited by jkrijt (edited 18 April 2005).]

The ADAC has a PDF map, but it's not entirely correct, either: http://www.adac.de/images/L%C3%A4nde...tcm8-83881.pdf

A search on their site for 'carnet' turns up a lot of info, even in English and French! That's interesting, cause according to the info on the carnet page on the left they only issue carnets for German residents.

They assured me that they WILL issue us carnets for our FRENCH registered bikes, but I have a German residence registered.

The French auto club, on the other hand, told me that AIT rules prohibit the issuing of carnets for vehicles not registered in the country of the issuing club. The exception is said to be for vehicles from countries where there is no issuing club.

Link to ADAC carnet info in English: http://www.adac.de/ReiseService/Reis...e/Carnet_e.asp


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Salut from Southern France, the bikers' paradise,

Peter.

Come on, boys and girls! Let's gather some more info from your travels and I'll put it in a table on a web page.

Hi,
I notice you've all said Europe doesn't require a Carnet. Does this go for eastern as well as western europe? I'm particularly interested in Herzegovina, Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria.
Matt

Yes.

The Carnet link on the left says so.

Does anyone know the position regarding NZ? It seems that officially a Carnet is required but is it really necessary? We are on the verge of going and with Paul Gowan going AWOL (presumably with stress, the amount of people he helps!) it is going to be nigh on impossible to get ours in place in time. Can you get away without one?

The use of the carnet is optional in NZ. Use it if you have it and you are going to continue travelling to another country requiring it. Otherwise don't bother.

You have to deposit 16% of the current value of your bike, if you don't use a carnet. Check the Carnet link on the left, there should be a link to the relevant NZ Govt. web pages.

Looks like there is a list on Wikipedia's Carnet de Passage page. If it is out of date, you can always update it.

Thanks for that link, but it doesn't help anybody: it list countries accepting the carnet, not those *requiring* it, which is what we really need to know. I'll look into modifying the page if and when I find the time.

Thanks Beddhest. I figured as much. I was interested in knowing which countries *required* Carnets too and figured if I linked it maybe someone, like you http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/smile.gif, might update it with the information.

I updated the information myself based on the information in this forum as best as I could read it. If anyone here has any more information, please add it. It could be a great resource for everyone.

Thanks very much for doing that. I have already made two changes:

Removed Turkey and added a comment to Oz (not required, but strongly recommended.

Excellent stuff! I was going to set up a carnet page myself, but this is much better.

Grant & Susan: how about linking to this from your carnet page?

Singapore**Yes**

Malaysia (BEWARE). They did not require a Carnet crossing in from Malaysia. When I tried to re-export my Land Rover by Sea, they required the Carnet, which by that time had expired. Cost me a load of money, the AA in Basingstoke where very unco-operative, and it was a real pain in the arse......

I don't understand this. Are you saying you imported the car without having the carnet stamped? In that case demanding it on export makes no sense whatsoever and I would simply claim not having one. What kind of documentation was used for the import?

According to a website of Syrian Ministry of Tourism:
2- Car owners permanently residing abroad, and coming to Syria to stay for a short time, are allowed to bring in their own, or rented cars which are properly registered in the country of expatriation in conformity with a legal authorization allowing the use and driving cars outside the country of registration according to the following customs duties:
> Duties of (US $ 40 or equivalent) levied on cars in accordance with a temporary entry card for a period of 15 days and (US $ 30 or equivalent) in return for the obligatory insurance of the car to be paid to the Syrian Insurance Company.

This is taken from http://www.syriatourism.org/index.ph...55&newlang=eng
I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that the above applies to motorcycles as well (why shouldn't it?) for a total of about 50USD rather than 70USD in case of cars.

I think this information would be useful for those that cross non-CDP countries except for Syria. That would be much less hassle and probably cheaper to pay 50USD than to get a CDP.

I have changed the wording in the section "Countries where a CPD is accepted" "Africa" from

"Countries where the CPD is used include"
To
"Countries where the CPD may be used include"

I think that gives a better idea of the intention?

--- On a side note. It would be nice to include what the alternatives are ... but may overload the page with detail.

Edit - there is a conflict - South Africa is listed as both requireing and optional for a carnet?

[This message has been edited by Frank Warner (edited 01 February 2006).]

I don't think there is a conflict as such, because the first list includes all countries that accept the carnet. Even most European countries are in there, even though they don't require it and nobody actually uses it. Apparently, in some instances (commercial) vehicles may HAVE to use it, where tourists don't. There is a list of countries using the carnet system on the AIT site, but for us tourists it's utterly useless.

To my way of thinking the only usefull list includes countries either requiring the carnet or where it is very usefull to use it, like Oz, because it simplifies the process of temporarily importing immensely.

I went through Syria this summer and did not need a carnet. Just a visa and motorcycle title.

Umm - to my way of thinking
the first list is of countries where having a carnet is optional.
the second list is of countries where having a carnet is absolutely required.

I disagree on the inclusion of where it is 'usefull'. The usefullness is a subjective thing, one person says yes another no. Better to have the details of the avalible options in the first list?

Just another jigsaw on world travell.

I know what you mean, Frank. Basically, I agree with you, but it's too complicated to include the info in a list. Perhaps a star and a footnote with a link to the relevant govt. web site? I'm thinking of Oz, where it is apparently possible to import a bike without carnet, but you need to obtain clearance before landing it.

Anyway, just my 2 c worth, I let somebody else do the editing.

update
 

See this page for a list of countries that REQUIRE a carnet

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/tri...t-of-countries

and the thread from there with more up-to-date info.
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-douanes-37276