carnet de passage without bank-deposit!!
 

Hello,

it seems that some european countries (for a foreign registered vehicle) may be issueing a carnet de passage without the need for any bank-deposit!!
Has anyone experience with that?

Karel

Hi Karel!

I heard about a year ago that Brits were getting ADAC (German) carnets for their UK registered cars for a fraction of the cost of the UK. Never followed it up, however might be a good place to start.

See you later!

Sam.

Another possibility is double indemnity - costs more but the insurance company takes on the responsibility of paying whoever is issuing the carnet if its claimed on and also not coming after you looking for the money - this is based on you not selling the vehicle but genuinely losing it / having it stolen / writen off / etc. With this you pay a greater premium but you don't have to deposit money.

Hi Toby!

If you don't mind paying more for the carnet anyway (still check out ADAC), then your best bet is a single indemnity. Half the price of the double and still no deposit required.

The downside is that if the carnet is called on, they will come after you at that stage for the full amount.

However, the AA have only had to call in 2 carnets in the last 3 years (because the vehicles had been sold in South Africa). The RAC called in even less. You only have a problem if your vehicle is:

not exported again from last country entered
stolen
destroyed in accident

But, paperwork such as a police report confirming theft or destruction is sufficient to close the carnet. Essentially, if you don't sell the car (which you are not supposed to do) the chances of you having to pay the deposit are tiny.

Karel, there is always the option of a fake carnet! Given your profession, could be an interesting one!!??

Sam.

Hidi,


> Karel, there is always the option of a fake carnet! Given your profession, could be an interesting one!!?? <

Yes indeed Sam. I contacted Mr Carnet earlier on this forum but did not get any answer yet.

I read that you probably met Mr Carnet : did you and what is the verdict concerning the "fake" carnets?

Anyway : what is fake and what's not in Africa???? I think a lot of the african people have "fake" papers anyway : a part because they simply don't know they are fake and the other part because they can't live without them.

The question is : who suffers from a "fake" carnet being used? I don't think that Africa benefits from the money that's involved in the whole carnet-thing!!

That is of course if you don't sell the car.

Karel.

It is true that you could get your carnet in Germany but they now seem to be stopping this for non residents so it's back to the UK and big expense.

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On the subject of carnets,the AA in the UK have stopped supplying them now,so the options are getting smaller

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Hello,

got a mail back from Andy, (hungarian carnets, was earlier on the forum). Seems promising. Anyone actual experience with these carnets, as they are probably British and will be used by belgians driving an belgium-registered car?

Thanks,

Karel

Hello Karelle,

I am sending this message from Sudan and have been travelling on one of Andy's carnets for teh last 3 months, without any hassles whatsoever. I have entered and left the following countries using it, no problems, full acceptance of the carnet.

Guinea
Ghana
Togo
Benin
Nigeria
Tschad
Sudan

There were some other countries in between that looked at it but then issued me with their local version. I am very happy to have this carnet as I am absolutely not bothered about vehicle paperwork and have actually left Tchad without the stamp in it, as the customs officers were too lazy and obnoxious to sort me out, so I just left. Can only recommend it to anyone. I am on a Mali registered motorbike, in case that matters.

Heye

Thanks Hed,

excellent news.

by the way : how and where did you get your visa for SUDAN, TCHAD?

See you,

Karel

Hi there Karelle,

Both were issued in Abuja/Nigeria. no hassles at all, I arrived early and had the Sudan one in 3 hours, teh Tchad one took another 2 hours. 50 USD each, and by lunchtime of the same day I was out of there. Forget about Ndjamena for the Sudanese one, it takes toolong.

hed

Hi,
if this is any help on the subject of getting a UK carnet, I have been told that now the AA has stopped issuing them, the RAC have now taken over the contract.

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Hed

If you are travelling on a Malian registered bike then supposedly dont need a carnet for anywhere in Africa. I still anm not sure if this is true or not but I have been to all the countries you mentioned except Sudan in my Malian reg lancruiser. Try getting in without the carnet using only the Malian carte gris and the Malian customs laisser. I would be interested to see how far you get. passer

"Both were issued in Abuja/Nigeria. no hassles at all, I arrived early and had the Sudan one in 3 hours, teh Tchad one took another 2 hours. 50 USD each, and by lunchtime of the same day I was out of there. Forget about Ndjamena for the Sudanese one, it takes toolong."

Thx again Hed,

very reassuring news. Will help a lot of people travelling to Sudan.

Did you experience any kind of problems entering Nigeria and driving thru? No hassle? Where did you get the Nigerian visa?

Can you situate the ambassey from Sudan and Tchad in Abuja (address or GPS co's)?

Happy travelling in Africa

Karel

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That is very encouraging news, what you don't mention Hed is your nationality; that can influence visa decisions quite strongly...
All this talk elsewhere about GPS coords for nice spots in the desert takes away some of the pleasure of discovering it your self; Imho a GPS is much more interesting for getting to embassies and ATMs in the middle of unknown cities where a guide's only interest is getting you into his cousin's carpet shop http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/smile.gif
I propose that someone host a database of ATM and Embassy coords (including the datum) to which those inclined can contribute.
One day I'll get a travelogue site up and running...
Happy trails
Luke

Kevin,

I agree with you, I thinkI wouldhavemade it withoutthe carnet as well, butwas toolazyto try as minewasworking so well. I will try from here, but to be frank, Ithink youcan get intoany african country even with a pice of card board strapped to your car instead of a licence plate. It gets easier the further you get away from Senegal.

Karelle, Nigeria visa in Accrta, took about 3 hours, no problems at all. Travelling in Nigeria was an absolute joy, except no beers available in the north. No problems, not asked for a briobe once and never paid one, in spit e of crossing probably 50 or 60 road blocks. Sorry, no idea about GPS co-ords, I am without it, I am a bit of a purist in this regard, I like the old map and compass way.

Luke, I am souhth african, but with me were 2 dutch, and one german, plus about a week later a truck load full of canadians, british, all sorts. All the same story, in and out same day.

Bye,

Heye

Luke

Carnet de Passage
 

hi guys

i need a fake Carnet de Passage documents to take my car from london to iran, does anyone knows who i can get one from and how much it will cost me!?


thanks

Is that really something you should be asking on a public forum....?
 

yes, bcaz i dont have enough money to pay for the bank deposit!

how can i get the source documents to photoshop it!?

Iranian's are not that organized to catch me on the fake document my friend.:cool4:

More than one person has thought that of varying countries, and found out to their cost that that's not so. All it takes is a fax to Switzerland and you're done.
I remember well asking the guys in Egyptian Customs why all the vehicles parked in this huge lot - covered in layers of dust. They said they were illegally imported; bad Carnets, failed to pay duties, documents illegal or incorrect etc. They would all be sold at auction eventually.

You do what you think you need to do, but remember we do NOT recommend trying to scam the border guys - it's a bad idea and you will get found out eventually. And Iranian and lots of other jails suck!

By the way you don't necessarily need to make a deposit - most countries you can go the insurance route for a Carnet.

my 2c ??
 

better to ask here for 'alternatives' than on advrider.....

Zig

hi!

just been looking into this whole carnet de passage thing and balking at the security costs involved. i'm planning on travelling on my bike through europe to south east asia (and any countries inbetween)... is the carnet de passage a necessity, or can it be avoided?

whats the deal with 'fake' carnets? how much are they going for?

any info would be great...

thanks!
sarah

I've also been looking into it. It seems the big cost is going to Iran or Egypt where the rate is 500% of the bike value. For most others, India for example, it's 150%.

If your bike is worth £2,000, the insurance is 10% so for India and the like that's £300 and you get £150 back. The Carnet itself is £170 or something. I believe there is a fee if you go down the insurance route as well.

For Iran, the insurance would be £1,000 and you get £500 back.

Of course if you take a nice BMW at 10k value you would loose £2,500 on the £5,000 insurance. Ouch!

Need Mr carnet
 

Help please, I need mr carnet!

Hallo I'm new here, and this is an old post...I know...
I will travel till Australia from Spaim, starting at the end of july. I can not pay the ammount to the bank to get the carnet.
I investigate and in Italy (i'm italian living in Spain) they ask me 3 times the value of my vehicole (5.000€x3=15.000) in Spain they ask a 3.200€ deposit for the same vehicole, but the employ that was helping me was fired because they close the office in Palma de Mallorca one month ago, so I'm waiting an answer from RACE but it takes long time.
Did you get in contact with him? Can you help me to contact him?
Thanks

carnet
 

Hello Everyone,
I have a Question about carnet de passage from India to Europe.
I and a friend of mine bought 2 indian Royal Enfields registers of our names here in india. Our plan for the next weeks is to drive then throught pakistan, iran and turkey and than to italy. Is there any chanche to do this trip without carnet? Because in india they charge you 3000€ deposit wich you lose... And in europe nowbody wants to do a carnet de passage on a indian bike. Can sombody gibe me any advises for this prblem? Or maybee do a fake carnet?

cheers

Firstly, have a really good trip.

Don’t go down the fake carnet route - nowadays the world is connected and all it takes is one person to check the carnet is real and that is both bikes gone and you probably in prison.

As I understand the situation the carnet deposit should be repayable if you return the bike to India, scrap the bike or pay the import fees on the bike at your destination (don’t forget you may not be able to import the vehicle permanently as it may not meet European standards - Noraly from Itchy Boots couldn’t keep her Himalayan on he road in Netherlands because of this).

Alternatively you can pay the import duty at each border and then claim it back when you leave.

This has been MUCH discussed and attempted in the past, and to my knowledge there are still the same impediments:


MUST READ before you continue with the idea of buying an Enfield in India and riding it home:


https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/get-ready/paperwork
https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hu...oreigner-99893
https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hu...a-europe-72822



Basically: it's illegal, and you can't register it at home. :(

It is possible to register it at home if your bike is anterior from the introduction of the European Conformity Certificate" (so it needs to be a bike from before 1972) and some European driving club will agree to provide you with a Carnet de Passage en douane is you provide them with a refusal from an Indian Automobile Club.

It is possible and has been done in the past.

We did it with "The Royal Silk Road", here are the videos of our adventures and here is the guide to do it that I wrote on HU