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London To Cape Town
Hello every body, this trip will start from London and end in Cape Town and yes it will be over land, this trip will be open to every and any body willing to come and enjoy the road, the bush, the 4X4 experience and the need to explore.
So far it will be me (Peter-James Lennox) my wife (Nicolette Lennox). We will be travelling in a Toyota Hilux HL3 3.0D Invincible Double Cab Pickup we have space for 0ne more at a cost of £1500 that will include food, ferryboat crossing and some other stuff, all local charges for visas and border crossings not included, the rest will have to bring your own vehicle at no charge. If you need help in finding a vehicle I can help. We will only be staying in one or two maybe three hotels, the rest of the time we will be camping out side under the stars. +447943815707 p.jl@hotmail.co.uk IF YOU WANT TO COME WITH GIVE ME A CALL |
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Hi Peter,
Sounds great. Me and the wifey, in our Toyota. Back end of 2010? September ' ish ? What you got in mind? I have the 2005 Land Cruiser D4-d Graham |
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Hi Peter,
What distance have you worked out your route to be? Fuel costs? Did you give yourself an average fuel cost of $1.00 / liter? General 10km/liter? Looks promising. Just had a good read through your list of items to be taken with you. It looks like a VERY comprehensive list. Can you get all that in your 'yota?. I must admit, I had some sort of list of items that I thought I should take, and reading through your list, I think I might add a few items. I am going to un-clip the rear seats in my LC, and ship them down. My LC is the 8 seater, so this will free up some good space. I had planned on a large roof platform, with 4 roof bars, I was simply going to secure a sturdy piece of plywood with "U" bolts, and this would be the base for a tent, up on the roof. Not a speciality roof tent though. Graham |
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O and one more thing this trip will only take us 6-8 weeks then it is back to work,so it will be done.?c?
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Hi Pete,
I have just (May) started a new job in Oslo. Don't want to take the time off just now. I will probably shelve it for 12 months. Graham. . I must have been having a stupid moment. I thought we were in 2009 already DOH ! |
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No sweet my plans are still on track I just started to get the new toyota ready .i need to spend so cash on the black beast to get her in real 4X4 state will send so pic's soon and good luck with the new job
Cheeres P |
Pete,
Can you let me know a rough itinerary, my wife and I may be interested in joining you we will be 2up on a bike. Cheers Paul:thumbup1: |
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Hey Paul send my an e-mail to p.jl@hotmail.co.uk then i will send you what i got so far hope to hear from you soon
Cheers Peter |
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. Hi Peter, What am I on about. I was thinking we were 2009 ! doh ! September 2010 really does sound not too bad ! Just remind me of the route again. If I remember, I think you were heading Egypt way, ? I could be mistaken though. In Norway just now. http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...0number/10.jpg Graham |
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. Hi Pete, Is it possible in 6 to 8 weeks? :funmeterno: Graham |
The route is more or less planned but we are open to suggestions and willing to go the extra mile in a different direction if there is something to see or do, so keep an open mind.
The trip will start at my house in London, Weybridge. From there we will drive about 2 days to Genova Italy, then we take a ferry to Tunisia. We land in the port of Tunis which take approximately 23hrs and that will be the easy part of the route. From there we drive to Kairouan, Tozeur, Douz, Matmata, Sabrather, Tripali, Lepeis, Magna, Benhazi, Gyrene, Apolania, Tokruk, Marsa, Matruh, and Alexandria and then in to Cairo We then head into Cairo in Egypt, once there we will take a break and explore all the wonders we can. Then it is off to Sudanand this is where it will get rough. Egypt
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Hi Pete,
It sounds better every time I read it. have you any ball park costs for the ferry across the Med.? I, ( me & O.H.)like everyone else will need carnet from RAC, ? I suppose if a group of say 4~ 5 vehicles take the run down, we could minimise our costs to The Blue Nile River Co. Are you planning on an additional sub-tank, or go with containers, or neither? (Thinking Sudan railway tracks) Have you got a google map of the route, or google earth plan? Graham |
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Hi pjl1toyota
i am also planning a trip down africa roughly the same time as you guys, i am also on a bike and wouldn't mind hooking up with you and maybe chucking a tyre or two on the back of your pick up if that is okay the bike is ready to go all that needs to be done is the bank balance has to be boosted which is going well so far and then all the paper work has to be sorted. cheers mike |
Diving?
Cut out Hurgada and Safaga, unless you dive and stay in resorts. (The diving is very good there)
A better one would be to go to Bahariya (Bawiti), then to Farafra and on to Luxor IMO Don't worry about extra fuel for the railway route from Wadi Halfa to Abu Hamed, less than a day's driving but it's awesome to camp out there if it's not too hot. |
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Hey everyone thanks for all the replies and to Mike sure we can do that.
If any one knows of good camp sites on this route can you post or e-mail me. Thanks pjl@hotmail.co.uk |
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Wow had a look at your web site look good i cant wait any more.
I would like to have a chat with you guys on one or two things. Cheers P |
Hi Pete,
Your Toyota looks great in the images. Some decent tyres would pull you through most of that mud, but not all ! Like you said, a nice set of BFG A/T would see you through to Cape Town with the least of tyre problems. tripple wall sidewalls would be my reassurance on a long trip. Holes in the tread can normally be easily fixed. I have one of these "on the side of the road" tyre repair kits, where you pull out the object, ream the hole, and insert one of the many different rubber plugs. As I have 17 inch, and (as many will know, they could be like hens teeth on the African continent,) I have decided to take a 6th wheel complete. 15 inch and 16 inch are far more common than the 17 inch. Just a safe guard for me. Why do I feel all tingly ! Graham:thumbup1::thumbup1::D:palm: |
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. Who's web site? Can I look?:clap: |
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A thought must be made to the price of a carnet from Paul at RAC.
For low cost vehicles, it's expensive, for vehicles £12k up, the cost is huge. Did I hear a policy of some thing like £96k. 800% cost (value) of vehicle for transit Egypt So if vehicle is valued at say £12k, then that £96k in security you need, just to prevent you from selling it, or leaving it in Egypt. Please correct me if I have missed some thing For the purposes of vehicle temporary importation into the region, South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho & Swaziland comprises the Southern Africa Customs Union (SACU) also known as the Southern Africa Common Customs Area (SACCA) CARNET DE PASSAGES EN DOUANES - INTRODUCTION A Carnet de Passages en Douanes (CPD) (hereafter referred to as a “carnet”) is an internationally recognised Customs document entitling the holder to TEMPORARILY import a vehicle duty-free into Southern Africa for up to 12 months. The carnet guarantees payment of duty & taxes if the vehicle is not re-exported. Infringement of the temporary importation regulations will result in the lodging of a customs claim by the South African Revenue Service (SARS) to the Automobile Association of South Africa (AASA). The AASA act as guarantor to SARS for payment of duty & taxes if a vehicle fails to be re-exported from South Africa before expiry of the carnet. The claim is passed back to the carnet issuing motoring club (i.e. RAC) to resolve. A period of twelve months is then allowed from the claim date for RAC to submit evidence of export or permanent import into the country, after which the claim must be settled. To minimise the risk of claims and ensure prompt return or cancellation of the security, we would ask that you read these notes carefully to understand your responsibility & liability as carnet holder. RAC incurs a handling fee on all South African customs claims. Although this cost is not currently passed onto the carnet holder, the situation is under review. In an effort to reduce temporary importation abuse, SARS do not grant extensions of validity of a carnet on expiry after 12 months. However, depending on the circumstances SARS may authorise a carnet replacement, known as a “substitution”. Very Important – if the vehicle will be in Southern Africa on expiry of your Carnet, please see the Substitution paragraph on the reverse of this sheet. The following general information on temporary importation into South Africa has been supplied by the AASA : 1. Only one vehicle per person may be temporarily imported into South Africa on a CPD. 2. CPDs may not be issued to applicants who intend to leave RSA for periods in excess of 30 days at a time whilst the vehicle remains in RSA under cover of a CPD. 3. CPDs can only be issued to foreign visitors or intending settlers who at the time of arrival in RSA have not yet been granted permanent residence & persons who arrive in RSA to take up employment for a period not exceeding 12 months. 4. Temporary importation is in principle limited to one year. 5. CPDs for vehicles which have entered South Africa may under no circumstances be extended, however, subject to approval from SARS, vehicles may under special circumstances be allowed to remain in RSA for a further year under a replacement CPD. (see Substitution procedure below) 6. A temporarily imported vehicle must not be sold, lent or otherwise disposed of in Southern Africa 7. The above conditions apply throughout the SACU/SACCA region. USE OF A CARNET WITHIN SOUTHERN AFRICA On arrival the carnet must be presented to customs for clearance (see Conditions of Use on inside back cover of the carnet). The carnet holder must ensure temporary importation regulations are adhered to, particularly when crossing into neighbouring non – SACU countries, e.g. Mozambique, Zambia & Zimbabwe. The carnet should be presented for stamping on every exit from Southern Africa. On exit from the region, the carnet must be stamped at one of the following land frontiers, seaports or airports below. Continued…/ Customs clearance of carnets can only be validated at customs offices at the following exit points: Land Borders : COUNTRY EXIT POINT ANGOLA Oshikango in Nambia ZAMBIA Wenela in Namibia Kazungula Ferry in Botswana ZIMBABWE Ramokwebana in Botswana BeitBridge in South Africa MOZAMBIQUE Komatipoort/Lebombo in South Africa NOTE : Border posts between South Africa, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia & Swaziland are not valid exit points for the discharge of carnets. For clearance by road, the vehicle must be exported from the SACU into Angola, Zambia, Zimbabwe or Mozambique at one of the above border crossings ONLY. Alternative crossing points are not acceptable for clearance of carnet claims by SARS. Seaports : Walvis Bay (Namibia), Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London, Durban, Richards Bay Airports : International Airports : Johannesburg, Durban and Cape Town SUBSTITUTION PROCEDURE Approval to keep a temporarily imported vehicle in Southern Africa for more than 1 year must be obtained from SARS. Only one replacement or “Substitution” carnet will be granted. Foreign vehicles may never remain in Southern Africa for more than a total of two years on a carnet. If you are in Southern Africa & wish to prolong your stay, in the first instance, contact AASA Customs Administration in Johannesburg, approximately 1 month before carnet expiry - tel. (11) 799 1009. AASA will supply a substitution form & advise of their fee. RAC Carnet dept. should also be informed at the same time. AASA will submit an application to SARS & seek confirmation from RAC as issuing club that a security is in place (bank guarantee, insurance indemnity, cash deposit). Once approved, the carnet holder must contact RAC to arrange carnet & courier fee. If security is arranged via RAC insurers, a further premium will be collected at this time. On receipt of fees, RAC will send the new carnet to AASA via DHL courier as both old & new carnets must be regularised with SARS for transfer of validity as part of the procedure. The new carnet will then be forwarded to the carnet holder & the old carnet returned to RAC for cancellation. Substitutions cannot be effected internally by presenting documents to Customs in for example, Namibia. ================================================== ======================================= RAC Contact: Paul Gowen (pkgowen@rac.co.uk) A carnet must be returned to RAC within 3 months of the expiry date depending on circumstances. Unless prior contact & arrangements made with RAC we reserve the right to withhold release of a bank guarantee or refund of monies if the carnet holder fails to comply with the temporary importation regulations & procedures described in this leaflet. Prepared by RAC Carnets, RAC Motoring Services, Great Park Road, Bradley Stoke, Bristol, BS32 4QN. Tel. 01454 208304 RAC/INF/CARNET/May 2007 |
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what bike you got ? and how long you want to do it for? I'm planning to do it starting from Egypt , i got Africa twin almost ready to go . just need money for the road and the cost of the trip . planning to do it to cape town ,then ship the bike back to Egypt ,or if i have enough money will keep riding the west coast of Africa |
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CARNET DE PASSAGES EN DOUANES
BACKGROUND A Carnet de Passages en Douanes is an internationally recognised Customs document entitling the holder to TEMPORARILY import a vehicle dutyfree into countries which normally require a deposit against import charges for such vehicles (generally countries outside Europe). The Carnet is issued under the auspices of two international touring organisations the AIT and the FIA. A large number of automobile and touring clubs throughout the world are affiliated to one or both of these organisations and issue the Carnet on their behalf. RAC Motoring Services is affiliated to the FIA. Each Carnet is valid for a maximum of one year. A Carnet holder whose journey goes beyond one year may, in exceptional circumstances, obtain a second Carnet or an extension, by contacting the local motoring organisation and seeking further advice from RAC. DESCRIPTION The Carnet is a booklet made up of either 5,10 or 25 pages. A 5 page Carnet allows the holder to temporarily import into 5 countries or on 5 different occasions. A 10 or 25 page Carnet covers the temporary importation procedure up to 10 or 25 times. Each page is divided into three sections; the lower section is removed by Customs on entry into a country; the middle section is removed on exit; the top, counterfoil section, is stamped once on entry and once on exit. A country revisited during the return journey will require a new page to be stamped. It is vital that the holder gets these endorsements as they prove that a vehicle has complied with temporary import conditions and discharge responsibility for any possible future import charges. Countries not covered by a particular Carnet are noted in a list of exclusions. ISSUING PROCEDURE On issuing a Carnet, a motoring organisation becomes directly responsible for the payment of customs duties and taxes if the regulations concerning temporary import are infringed. In order to take on this responsibility, RAC requires the applicant to meet a number of conditions: they must be able to give a UK address and provide a copy of their passport and vehicle registration document/ certificate. The applicant must also provide a security the options are: a bank guarantee, signed by a UK clearing bank (building society accounts generally not acceptable); an insurance indemnity with the company R L Davison (50% of the premium will be refunded on return of a correctly discharged Carnet) ; a refundable cash deposit (maximum amount accepted is £10,000) SECURITY RATE TABLE @ OCTOBER 2006 The amount required by RAC depends on the rates of customs duty and taxes in the countries visited but is always a multiple of the value of the vehicle. E.g. £5,000 value x 150% = £7,500 (South Africa) Egypt 800% Africa (excluding Egypt/Kenya) 150% Iran, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal 500% Japan/New Zealand 150% Kenya/Libya/Middle East & Far East (e.g. Singapore/Malaysia) 200% Australia 150% + £5,000 Vehicle Import Approval supplement (cars only) South America 300% Contd. Generally, RAC requires a minimum of ONE MONTH notice to allow for processing/issue of a Carnet. Once RAC receives the completed Carnet application form, a quotation will be provided, without obligation. Carnet fees are indicated on a separate sheet. DISCHARGE OF THE CARNET On completion of a journey the Carnetholder must return the document by secure post to RAC in Bristol. The Carnet will be checked to ensure it has been stamped correctly in and out of each country visited to ensure no further claims can be made by foreign Customs. After verification, the security will be released as appropriate. A carnet remains the property of RAC. If for any reason the last page used does not bear an exit stamp, the last page of the Carnet (“Certificate of Location”) must be completed and witnessed by an official authority (Customs, Police or Judiciary) either in the UK or the country of final import. Failure to do this may delay the release of the security to the Carnet holder who can still be held liable for customs duties. ... If a vehicle is stolen or writtenoff during the journey, a police report and Customs acknowledgement must be obtained as soon as possible. RAC should be notified as soon as possible. Failure to do this will almost certainly result in the Carnet holder being held liable for customs duties. A carnet must be returned to RAC within 3 months of the expiry date, unless prior contact or arrangements have been made regarding issue of a further carnet. If the Carnet is not returned to RAC and the carnet holder fails to comply with the temporary importation regulations & procedures, RAC reserves the right to withhold release of a bank guarantee or refund of monies to cover costs incurred. CONDITIONS OF TEMPORARY IMPORT The Carnet is a legal document allowing temporary importation only and, as such, penalties for its misuse are severe. Conditions of issue, including the general regulations regarding temporary importation, are shown on the inside back cover of the Carnet. The main conditions are: l A temporarily imported vehicle cannot be sold, loaned, abandoned, hire, or otherwise disposed of without the prior agreement of the local Customs authority and the local motoring organisation. l The Carnet can only be extended with the prior agreement of the local Customs authority and the local motoring organisation. l The Carnetholder is responsible for ensuring the Carnet is properly endorsed at each border crossing. l The Carnet cannot be used in any country where the holder is normally resident, nor in any country specifically excluded from that Carnet. Prepared by RAC Carnets, RAC Motoring Services, Great Park Road, Bradley Stoke, Bristol, BS32 4QN. Tel. 01454 208304, or email carnets@rac.co.uk RAC/INF/CARNET/October 2006 |
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CUSTOMS DOCUMENTS – FEES (5, 10 or 25 page) Bank Guarantee Administration Fee £45.00 (Unlimited liability) Bank Guarantee Administration Fee £55.50 (Limited liability) R L Davison Insurance Premium - to be advised by RAC on receipt of completed Carnet application form Premium of 10% - payable calculated on overall security/risk, EXAMPLE : Africa tour including East Africa/Kenya (excluding Egypt), vehicle value - £5000.00 £5000 x 200% = £10,000. Premium of 10% payable, being £1000 with 50% refunded on return of carnet. + Insurance Premium Tax @ 5% RAC Refundable Deposit £350.00 (Applicable to R L Davison Indemnity ONLY) International Driving Permit (IDP) £7.50 (application form can be downloaded from RAC website or available on request) |
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R L Davison Insurance Premium - to be advised by RAC on receipt of completed Carnet application form Premium of 10% - payable calculated on overall security/risk, EXAMPLE : Africa tour including East Africa/Kenya (excluding Egypt), vehicle value - £5000.00 £5000 x 200% = £10,000. Premium of 10% payable, being £1000 with 50% refunded on return of carnet. + Insurance Premium Tax @ 5% THIS LOOKS TO BE THE BEST WAY:thumbup1: |
Hi Peter,
Your Hilux is worth more than £5k I would have thought yous is circa £15k If you plan on Egypt, with the 800% requirement, your required insurance policy is now £15000 x 800% = £120k Premium of 10% = £12k 50% refund = £6k OK, my cruiser isn't worth £15k, but probably around £13k. I could not sleep easy if I had to find around £5k for a carnet. Also, the guide for Libya. And also the "robbing" ferry at Aswan to Wadi Halfa. How about, a possible alternative route. Head to Istanbul, 2000 miles. Then Syria, Jordan, Saudi, cross at Jeddah to the ferry port, Sawakin, just south of Port Sudan, , then pick up the rest of your route? Istanbul to Jeddah around 2500 miles. Just an idea. ? Graham |
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Hi Graham:(
Yes that 800% is a big problem; it is a very big pill to swallow. I think we need to get a big sponsor. I don’t like that way, I’ve got UK plates on my hilux. Let me have a look at my map and see what i can do, will let you know. :stormy:Peter:stormy: |
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Has any one got some cash for a Carnet de Passages.
My bank does not want to help me.lol:offtopic: |
Hi there
Your trip sounds great! Good luck! Check out The Southern African Overland Forum for websites of people that have done similar trips, click on Trans Africa tours and trips on the left. We'll be going down via the West Coast end of 2009. Madness, I know! Cheers :funmeteryes: |
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. Well Im'e not even going to ask my bank, I know what the answer will be.:helpsmilie: So if Egypt could be potentially ' out of bounds ' do we go to the west of Egypt, or the right of Egypt? Graham |
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I'm Looking @ a route in Libya will keep you up to date :funmeteryes:
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Hi Pete,
Like Tunisia, Libya, Sudan ? |
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I had a look and it looks like Libya, Chad, Sudan.
I think we can do that. Take a look at this and you will find your way down. Web browser and Live Maps are incompatible |
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Hi! I am now in Aswan waiting for fery to Sudan. In Libya You will need pay for police convoy. If You will go thro Sirya, Jordan and Egipat it will cost You 200 $ for car on each border for insurence and custom tax.
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. Hello Davor, thank you for the updated information. So if I drive through Turkey (Istanbul) to Syria, I need to pay $200 as I enter Syria ? Also, following on from Syria into Jordan, I need to find another $200 to enter Jordan ? Which border crossing is suitable from turkey into Syria, and from Syria into Jordan? Muchas gratis What about Saudi? |
Pete,
We are doing the same trip, so far we have one 4x4 and 2 bikes confirmed with a total of 8 people, 2 more bikes are maybe's, we will be leaving London on about 1st Nov. and arriving Cape Town at the end of Jan (3 Mths) we will try to catch up with you, but you are going to do in about 1/2 the time we have allocated, we are going to go Tunisia, Libya & Egypt way. I realize the canet is a bit of a bind but I am going the way of a Bank Guarantee. But it may change by then (Hopefully) Paul |
Hi Paul,
When are you planning to leave, ? I take it you are going to go for a carnet to pass through Egypt? 'vette |
Vette,
We are leaving on about 1st Nov. 2010 and yes we will be doing the canet thing thru Egypt, I can put up a Bank Guarantee, I have just been to Egypt for the 2nd time and my Daughters (Shae 20 & Ebanny 17) will be doing the trip as well and I really want them to see Egypt ! Thanks Paul:thumbup1: |
Hi Paul,
I have also been to Egypt, done most of the tourist and non touristiy things. If it wasn't for the excessive priced carnet, I would do it again. However, as the carnet (bank deposit 80k worth) is not small change, I think I will pass on it. I will look at a run through Europe to Istanbul, and through Turkey to Syria and Jordan, onto Saudi where I will head for Jeddah, Simple ferry to Sawakin or Port Sudan, then down through Africa. .'vette |
Vette,
That does sound like a nice trip also but it ads alot of km and we are only limited to 3 mths. Canets in Egypt are a little excessive to say the least, when was talking to a friend about the expense who also wants to come but is a little less financial is looking at the possibllity of sending his vehicle from Libya to inside the Sudan border by an overland freight company, as it will not be released in Egypt should be no canet required (may be wishfull thinking tho) and the he will hire a car for the Egypt leg. Car hire in Egypt is relatavily cheap. I'll let you know in due course how he gets on with his enquiries. paul:D |
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. Hi Pete, Tunisia, Libya, Sudan?Any need for Chad? |
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My Michelin maps are good but u can’t get from Libya to Sudan un less you go in to the NUBIAN DESERT and that is hard very hard.(only :helpsmilie:camels)
I have sent letters of to the Egyptian and Libyan embassy so as soon as I get any thing from them I will post it. I would like to do Egypt but I don’t have that 800% that they want, but I hope we can get a Carnet at the gates but I don’t think that is going to happen, so if any one knows of a better way of getting in and out of Egypt please let us know. One more thing, looks like my work might have some issues with me taking off for so long so I might have to look for work when I get back that is if I come back, I might just head to Australia or New Zeeland. If I can’t get off I will do any route (THAT ROUTE THAT GRAHAM SAID LOOKS GOOD) Hope the cash doesn’t run out!!!!!!! |
Hi Pete,
Well I stopped working in UK a couple of years ago. I just follow the work and the rate paid. Just follow the money, and get as close to the origin of the money as you can. UK is down the pan, as far as an average man trying to earn a good living is concerned. I think when we drive to Cape Town, we hope to have our other house ready and waiting for us. So busy saving for our dream house some where in Platerkloof or Welgelegen, on the Tygerberg Hills, looking back towards Table Mountain and the Table Bay. So no need to return to UK. Thank God ! Every time I return to UK, I see a further slide to 'untidyness' and a general feeling that there is no pride in the place, I currently work in Oslo, and can't wait to get back. Who knows where next when this contract ends, if it does end, as it is simply 'renewable' Living in Cape Town, I could still do my work in Oslo, it just meens a longer trip 'home' . . Graham |
Hello everyone! Just signed up!
I posted on the landyzone forum as well, as we are having a couple of cars going down next year (2010) on same route! Perhaps we can merge things a bit here and get all together? How many cars would that be? I am writing on this page all development (early stage for me still) London - Cape Town 2010 Keep me updated! :) Jonathan |
Hello Johnathon,
Good to see you found us :thumbup1: I am sure you will spend many hours reading your way through the forums and threads. Here is one of the many blogs of guy's making the trip. Ons4 'vette |
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Johnathon,
What is your departure date, the road South is going to be busy next year We have a possie of 12 and I know of another 6 or so all making the trip. We Plan to leave Cairo on the 1st Sep. 2010 Happy Planning ! Paul |
Hi all
Im thinking of heading end-2010 too. But west coast route. :palm: (Cant afford crazy Egypt carnet costs. And not keen on driving the length of Europe ($$$) to go Saudi -> Sudan) Providing, of course, the wife doesnt fall pregnant any time soon! :innocent: If anyone decides to go the West route, give us a shout. Maybe we can meet up in the more difficult sections. (Going in a Toyota 90 ) Cheers for now |
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