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No, nothing's changed. The burning of NATO fuel trucks hasn't had a mention here in PK, they just give you police escorts everywhere! I'll post a more thorough update in a separate thread but suffice it to say I've had six days of police escorts from BAM through to here in Karachi. It's not obvious that they're going to stop either... Cheers, Ian |
We are using petrol, but my friend who was last year in Iran with his car, usually got the card from truck drivers.
We didn't nead special insurance or license plates, yust carnet du pasage. Good luck, Zoran and Tamara Quote:
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Hi,
Came through the border at Bargazan a couple of days ago and wanted to add my experience to this thread. We had read that the road from Van to Esendere was not great with multiple checkpoints etc. We had been over a lot of bad roads in Turkey and thought it would be easier. The road from Van was certainly well surfaced and apart from a few wild dogs and kids with stones was fine. As per Ian's experience it was all fine apart from the Iranian customs side (the last bit). When we came over to the Iran side the first official showed us to the "Turist Information" office where a friendly and honest man helped us through the procedure to get our passports stamped into the country and jump the queue in the process. Its a shame we could not have spoken to him later... After this bit we went through to the customs hall where we again showed our passports at a booth on the left and then went through the customs to get the bikes in. The main problem here is that the customs officials have no uniform or ID so it was hard to tell them apart from the fixers who were mixing in. The process was to take carnet to a well dressed (non uniformed) official standing outside who wrote some stuff on the back of the bottom carnet slip (to say he'd checked the bikes matched up to the Carnet) and then back inside to the admin office. Here they stamped up the carnet and took the bottom part off. They gave us a white chit (A5) size also stamped which we took back into the customs hall and handed to the non-uniformed customs guy standing at the big desk nearest the exit. He signed this off and then back outside to the bikes where we gave it to the first guy to sign again. The (presumably) police guy on the other side of the road also wanted to see this bit of paper and asked where we were headed. The fixers mixing around in all this spoke some english and had pointed these people out to us although we had not asked for their help. As we left one of them asked if we needed to get insurance to which I replied yes I'd get it further down (I should have lied and said we had it but didn't know what was about to happen). We stopped on the way out to gather ourselves and headed down the 2km road out of the customs area to the final gate. The "Iran insurance" building is beside this gate. The fixers who we had seen before were already there milling around a small portakabin outside and beckoning us over. We parked up and they started talking about "Terminal" and to go inside their portakabin first but I went to the insurance office. Several of them followed me in and one showed me a calculator and told me it was 70eur per bike. Much arguing ensued over the course of around 2 hours. The most effective thing seemed to be when we threatened to leave and went over to the customs gate where they followed us in. Over the course of this the price went from 70 to 60 then changed into dollars and then somehow became the price for 2 bikes. We ended up paying 800,000 Rial or roughly 40USD for each bike which is still more than others but at least not 140eur. During all this I repeatedly asked if various people worked there, if they were officials etc. Of course the answer was yes but when asked what their jobs where I was given some varying answers such as weighbridge, lorry driver or road tax. Only at the end when the boss man from the Insurance co came in did I get some straight(er) answers and yes they were basically fixers. I told them I didn't want their help, had not asked for it, would not pay them and asked them to leave when the one big thug out of them (who I presume was getting the commision from this one) pushed me. It was all very intimidating but when my wife went to get the police outside they basically shooed her away. I specifically told the insurance guy the money was for insurance only and not for the fixers and he told me it was "my problem". At one point this insurance boss guy wanted to write something in my passport about me needing to trust people and intimated that I was somehow dishonest for not believing him. (of course since he is not an official he had no business even asking for my passport) We told the younger guy that we would pay the price printed on the insurance document itself and lickity split it was printed but had the roughy 40usd price on it. Although saying that it was tricky to tell from the quality of the dot matrix printout what some figures were. So perhaps they can change these figures so beware. I did however manage to get a receipt although not sure if there is anyone I could write to about it? Their main tactics are - - you won't get out the customs gate without the insurance (questionable) - don't drive in Iran without insurance (had no intention to!) or police will get you/if you have accident there would be big problem - the price of insurance is government set (despite asking repeatedly I was shown no price lists and the price changed) - the indication is that the young guy in the insurance office does not speak english (necessitating a fixer), but we later found that he spoke some and seemed to understand what we were saying just fine Basically the whole thing is tied up and it seems everyone is getting a cut. I am not sure about the border gate official guy (who was wearing uniform) who seemed to be less bothered and get the impression he would have let us through and perhaps checking insurance was not part of his job. All that was needed for him to open the gate was the A5 white chit we already had from customs. If I were to go this crossing again then I would take the road to Esendere. Failing that I'd go straight to the final customs gate and give the A5 white papers to the guy in uniform and do my best to ignore everyone else. There looked to be an insurance office in Maku anyway (green sign on the left about 600m before you come into the centre). If the guy at the gate did indeed stop me from leaving I'd probably take a taxi into town and get the insurance elsewhere just to stop these other guys getting anything out of it even if it cost more. However, it would mean leaving the bike there (better if you are in a group) Stay safe out there and please don't let it put you off visiting Iran. The people here have been the most friendly and welcoming you could possibly imagine and would be worth the higher entry price anyway.:cool4: Neil |
Hi crazymanneil,
It sounds like you met the same guys. Their scam is obviously working well for them. Quote:
You can just present it to him but you need to know how many signatures/stamps are expected before you can waltz out. Quote:
It's a really unimpressive entry into Iran considering how much better the people are in Iran. Cheers, Ian |
Esendre route in
Hey guys it's Bryn on Tom's account.
So we went though on the southern route and had no issues at all. The road there was fine and the only check point we were pulled over at they gave us drinks and we had a chat. When they found out Tom was bingo fuel they immediately gave him 10 litres free. Then came the grapes! Needless to say there was no worries on the road to the boarder although I wouldn't take that road at night. So we rocked up at the boarder an a kid showed us where to go on the Turkish side. He didn't even want anything afterwards but I gave him a couple of sweets for helping us out. Then over to the Iran side. My happiness dropped a little when the first official wisked our passports away. Then the Carnet came out an we had similar problems in that the Carnet officials where uninformed and hanging around in the car park. However once we worked out what was going on and who to talk to (didn't even see any fixers around) it was all easy to get the Carnet filled in. Then our passports were returned to us with no worries. The white chatty was filled in by uninformed officials number one and two (ask for mr fatty, no joke!) and we drove to the exit gate, haggled with some money changers that where giving us a rubbish rate, so we just rode out. Insurance wasn't even mentioned and neither was a fuel card which you don't need. I would agree with Chris in that insurance might not even be worth the paper it's printed on. Just drive carefully. We haven't been stopped by any police so I couldn't say if they would take any issue with not having insurance, just smile wave an they wave back! |
Updates and tip - October 2013
Bazargan was definitely the worst border that we crossed.
Be prepared to all sorts of scams. The Turkish side was great, everything very organized, friendly and helpful blokes. After having your stamps done and your bike x-ray scanned, they open the gates to let you go. Easy and simple. The Iranian gate is face to face with the turkish one, so, once the turkish one closes, the iranian opens. Good! Now we were in. An overweight fella smart dressed came to us and politely asked us "passports and carnets please!", okay, passports and carnets handled to him. 30 minutes later, he came back asking to move the bikes a side and come inside the building with him. Than, we realized that HE WASN'T a staff member, he was a fixer, a guy who nail you first, by the first gate, he gets your papers, sort out your stamps to make you pay for some insurance later and make his money! Well, we are not stupids, when we realized that he wasn't a staff of the border, we had a big argument with him, we toke ours docs back and started sorting out our stamps ourselves. (funny that, the border is such a mess that nobody uses a badge or an uniform to distinguish the staff from the crowd, you know who is staff because the person is behind a desk). You will need about three stamps and the carnet done, which can be done my yourself quite quickly (depends how busy the border is). After having the passport and carnet stamped, the border agent asked if we had insurance for the bikes... we said we have a green card that we bought in Turkey, he replied that it doesn't work in Iran, that we have to buy a new one, at this moment the fat fella came again like a vulture after a new piece of carrion, he joined the border guy and both started talking about the insurance, that we should come outside, get the bikes and follow them in a car to the bottom of the hill where a little building with IRAN INSURANCE written in the entrance was placed. I went to the building and a man behind a desk and computer asked me to have a sit, done. I asked to him how much was the insurance and he replied asking me to ask the two fellas that brought us there, at this moment I realized that something was wrong, if the man behind the desk, which works with insurance could not tell straight away how much the insurance was, is because there was something wrong about it. so, I asked the border guy how much was it.... 100 euros each for year, I replied saying that we just needed for 10 days! "Well, doesn't matter, you have to buy for a year" he said. After much discussion and a pile of stressful moments, we refused to pay this stupid money, so, he finally said, "you can go without insurance than, pay me 30 euros and you can go", I didn't have any small notes in euros, but I had 20 pounds note, so, that worked, and he let us go. The fat fella wasn't happy, of course, the scam didn't work with us and he lost money, bastard. So, finally we were free to ride Iran! In our case, nobody asked us to buy any petrol card at all, and I don't think worth it, unless you gonna spend months in Iran. The petrol is very cheap even without the card, 7000 rials per liter, or 4000 rials with the card. Just a note: at the bottom of the hill at the border you will find hundreds of people trying to exchange money and convince you to buy insurance... Be smart, make sure to check on line in Turkey what is the exchange rates for the currencies you have to Iranian rials, otherwise you will be lost to negotiate price with this guys. When in Turkey, we could not find any place to exchange money for Iranian rials, the only place we found was at the border and inside Iran. Petrol in Iran is okay, I read here before my trip that the petrol is cheap but the quality is bad. Bullshit, the petrol is more than fine, actually, my bike got even more economic with Iranian petrol, I did't notice any substantial loss in performance, anyway, I wasn't in a track day, I was riding a adventure bike in a public road. If you eventually take your super bike to Iran, just ask for petrol super at the petrol station, it has more octane, but it is not available everywhere. When you get to the border, do not handle your docs for anyone polite just because he is dressed smartly, he is just a fixer. Park your bike a side and get inside the building to make sure about who is in charge. Iran has one of the most friendly people you can find, but the borders and the police are disgraceful. Make sure you have some money exchanged at the border, enough to have petrol, food and accommodation paid until you reach a big city. Yes, you can pay hotels with dollars, but the exchange rate is not gonna be that great. Don't expect people speaking english so easy (unless you are in a big city), was hard to make them understand the language of the signals!!!!! BIG tips: - because the Iranian money has so many zeros, they informally cut one zero from the money, so, 40.000 rials is equal 4.000 tomans. Get familiar with this! so, if they ask for 10.000 tomans, means 100.000 rials! - get a mask, actually, get a mask and some spare ones to use all the times, Iran is very very polluted, if you are western, you will face a level of pollution that you never saw in your life, some times, the atmosphere gets so polluted that you barely see the end of the road. If you need more info, let me know! Good luck! |
Hello and thanks for posting your experience, joasphoto!
So, at the end you rode Iran without any insurace coverage, is that correct? Well, this would worry me a little bit... :frown: Didn't you spot any other official offices after leaving the border station (on the road, I mean...) where you could work it out without fixers or those tricky helpers? |
Slight D-tour BUT instead of Dogubeyazit we thought we'd go see Georgia and Armenia and cross in from Norduz (Armenia) the border took 2-3hours but was a doddle. No fixers, no chasers. Staff took us from desk to desk. It wasn't too busy either. Well it was busy with lorry drivers but they have a tonne of paperwork to sort out, so the carnet didn't take too long. Although here as-well no one had uniforms. We crossed in September 2013, arrived around 1pm and left just before 4pm and bombed it to Tabriz.
Insurance booth was closed, no one said we had to buy it either. Spent 28days in Iran.. no one asked for insurance even once. Police just liked looking at the bike and smiling. |
Hi! Has any of you crossed into Iran recently with a US registered bike?
I heard that I might have a problem, even with a Turkish passport, and the consulate in Istanbul wasn't exactly helpful when they said "sure, you MAY have a problem with US tags". Thanks! |
When me and my son crossed the border Turkey/Iran at Bazargan we had no trouble at all,fixers are everywhere and they give you fast service, use them if you want but dont pay their price, they wanted 40 euros per person but we gave 10 per person.
About insurance, i simply refused it, i told them that i got all insurance i need and they accepted that, i never even got of the bike just shouted the info to them. About fuelcard, i was never given the oportunity to buy it and we didnt need it either. cheers |
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