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Taking a gun does not mean more security
I found this tread on a big forum from the north.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148823 And i am shoked that this subject looks to be so normal. I live in a country where a lot of car drivers carry guns(on body or hidden) and more then solving a problem,it creates it. I know someone braugth up this subject a time ago. But i recomend again and again not to bring fire arms to southamerica! Legal imposibility and problems with local people. It looks temting sometimes but again, do not travell with fear.Be aware of risks and enjoy in a peacefull way your trip. DO NOT START A FLAME WAR PLEASE! |
I personally wouldn't want to carry a firearm; what with my clumsiness and all, the only thing likely to be shot is my foot!
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Hi BCK,
Don't worry, advrider is a well known and previously documented source of total loonies. Just do what I do: Be thankful they don't live near you and tune in from time to time for a bloody good laugh. Matt :) PS: These guys are too scared to go into their local woods without a handgun. The chances of them making it to Argentina are slim. |
Hmmm...now is that really funny or really frightening? My favourite quote, and the 'banjo' award for circular logic and self-contradiction goes to:
"(firearms are used in approximately 20,000 fatalities, of which the Federal Govt. does not deliniate between self defense or Officer involved shootings.) Sooo, if you think think guns are the problem, check your facts" er...right...? |
do we need it? NO I think. Especially the overlanders who are and should be the real peacemakers.
Fight cause another fight. If you make a smash on me, I make one to you. That's it. Eye for an eye. Who can be real Jesus, "turn other face"? Useless and unnacessary. I don't know the people who written that and his surroundings. If we were living in the States, who knows? But as written above: NOT US. Not overlanders and adventure raiders. Be calm, stay cool and smile a lot. It always help. |
These people are more worrying than any other problem you may encounter.....I would suggest they carry their firearms down the front of their pants with no trigger guard!:biggrin3:
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There was a thread here ages ago that was closed before the pro & anti gun groups started killing each other. The last post summed it up nicely :-
'The world is full of unarmed dead people' 'Yes, they all died in their sleep' You dont need a gun in S.America & you'd be in *deep* shit if you got caught with one. It does beg the question, 'Do you need to bring a gun if you're going to North America?' (Only kidding). |
More reading matter for you :
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99705 It's a cultural difference .Europeans have a totally different point of view , live in a different world . Americans have a tendency to go over the top as far as firearms are concerned ,but I view it more as an equipment fetish.They are a very generous and outgoing people and love technology new and old - guns are a part of that . Also it's a very big country and the police can't be everywhere. When walking in the woods behind my house I feel a whole lot safer with my 12 guage shotgun . I've met a bear or two and it's not funny , sadly I've had to shoot a couple that wouldn't go away and posed a risk to my family and livestock . If I was off roading in bear country ,I would definately carry a gun capable of putting one away should the need arise . The other kind of [two legged] predator ,I'm not so sure about .On a motorcycle trip I would want to avoid the trouble spots and trying to get a gun across a border --- well it is sheer stupidity as far as I am concerned . People have strange attitudes towards guns - I blame Hollywood ! For most ranchers up here they are just a tool of the trade and no more noteworthy than an electric drill or a pick up truck . I received rifle training at school in England and if more youngsters were able to do that ,I feel that they would grow up more responsible and disciplined and not regard guns in a glamorous "Rambo" manner or conversely be scared stiff of firearms . It's good advice to leave the guns at home when visiting a foreign country ,BCK 973 - you are right ! Dodger |
You're right, its certainly cultural and not just a N.American thing.
Many households here in Peru have enough weapons to start a small war, overthrow the government or put holes in noisy neighbours, but generally speaking people are well behaved with their firearms. Except for road signs of course, especially the ones that say 'Damaging the road signs is an offence' as they're obvious lead magnets. I've been on the wrong end of a gun twice (not in S.America I hasten to add) but would never consider travelling with one. Contents of my day wallet and my 'Toys R Us' gold card in exchange for my life....deal! It'll be interesting riding through N.America & seeing what its really like. Only been there on business before & thats not the same as travelling. |
Toys'R'us card , that's a good one !
Hope the thief didn't buy a water pistol with it though ! There must be a place somewhere that makes Noddy and Big Ears , Bank of Toyland credit cards . " Promise to pay the bearer on demand - a bag of jelly babies " . Dodger |
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As far as weapons go, I carry a pic of my suegra with me all the time.... when they ask for my wallet I just let my wallet flip open to her picture and they run!! Works everytime... |
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Anyway, how can N.America be boring ? There's mountains, deserts, lakes, beaches, BMW dealers on every corner, no language barrier (well, almost), the list of good things is quite long. |
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What is a suegra?
(I do not mind people legally carrying guns, just let someone waving a red flag walking 5 meters in front of them) Regards Lars |
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"I dont need a gun i've got a donk" Crocodile Dundee.
Of couse this begs the question, where are you going to keep your donk? :biggrin3: |
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After spending a bewildered hour reading the adv. site (and a mispent youth watching American TV and popping .22's at rabbits) I do buy the cultural difference thing, but for any European looking in, this kind of fear fetish is one of the weaker parts of US culture. The irony is it kills 30,000 of them every year. These chaps are just frightened of overextending themselves on their trips in the backwoods and are looking for reassurance - some metal in their pants. Bless them, but I wouldn't like to be hiking in on one of their campsites whilst they're having a tizzy about the 'noises' in the trees. |
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Yeah, all with perfectly good paved road, lot's of no trespassing signs and tons of rules and regulations.....boring!! __________________ John C. ======================= Try Canada then ! The roads are shit , the no trespassing signs are full of bullet holes and can't be read and there is nobody about to enforce any rules or regs anyway . Plus we have the odd bit of scenery here and there . Dodger |
No wonder parts of the world are scared of the USA!
a good way to spend an afternoon at work reading that Adv rider page.
They all sound a touch worked up about carrying weapons do they not? so any visitors should be scared of getting your ear bashed in with macho talk and no action. Seems good these gun wieldign maniacs are all kept in their own country. We should just get out and see our wee planet before we totaly destroy it. Would a Donk not just bungee ontop of a side box? don't really know how heavy they are. happy days |
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Put DONK in the side car!!!!
Donk just gets into your side car! but for that you don´t need any alarm system.Just a six pak of cold beer,hahahahaha
KH |
I don’t think Donk would like to be bungee chorded to a side box! I consulted the touratech website FAQ regarding the correct packing procedure for Donk.
"mount you Donk(!) in a position that will facilitate quick access if the need arises for rapid deployment. Donk should not be mounted too far to the rear (bet he's glad of that) as weight distribution can cause front end wobbles (I know the feeling) If forced to mount your Donk to the rear (brave man) offset the weight distribution by mounting a barrel of Fosters above the front wheel.” Seems like a lot of work to me, I think it may be easier all round to get a separate bike for your Donk, What would he ride I wonder??? |
donk's bike
If you are being sensible your donk should be equipped with the same bike as yourself to save on spares. it may be an idea to restrict donk's bike so you can keep an eye on donk at all times.
on the otherhand a donk needs a simple unbreakable machine with a good carrying capacity for 4x, prederably chilled. i do think carrying a donk however is just going to attract trouble. just use your head and stay clear of stupid places. think about all the extra paperwork which would be required to travel with a donk some countries may need a licence for one. |
Apparently what we all need is a Taurus Total Titanium Tracker .357 Magnum with a ported barrel.
Check this fine article out by Christopher Lee http://www.chuckhawks.com/motorcycle_firearms.htm The author is a Doctor of Psychology and has been a personal self defense instructor for over twelve years. It fails to add how long he's been an inmate of some psychiatric institution. The guy is totally serious and totally nuts. |
Good point Robin, obviously there are pros and cons with Donk ownership, on my last trip I found that my Donk became increasingly expensive to maintain as they run on pure alcohol.
Not sure about problems with difficult boarder crossings or paperwork, I have never had my Donk examined by customs officials. When questioned I have simply show them a photo of my Donk, that seems to do the trick! I think that Donk should be equipped with those Harley trikes that they used to sell ice cream from (no need to restrict a Harley!!):innocent: |
Hi NamasteBuzz
Christopher Lee never used to be like this in his Hammer Horror days, Sad how some people change. |
NamasteBuzz,
That's one of the funniest things I've seen in ages! The obvious alternative to packing whilst on a bike doesn't seem to have occured to him: Don't be a f*&^ing loony in the first place! Matt |
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Or maybe this nicely prepared Ural.
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We don't need no steenkin handguns .
Of course Christopher Lee forgets to mention the little fact that you would have to learn to shoot left handed ,the throttle being on the right of course , unless you ride an Indian .
Us Norton riders have always had the answer ! A bloody big Bren gun , good for maniac cagers , Messerschmidts, flea bitten mongrels and the odd duck or two for supper . How delightful. http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7...ngunww27pq.jpg Dodger |
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