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Madbiker 6 Oct 2019 11:49

What do you want to see in a Travel Blog or Story?
 
Hi Folks.

I am just beginning an RTW trip on a Royal Enfield Himalayan.

My plan is to travel in the warmer months (April - October in Northern Hemisphere) and lay up somewhere for the colder months. My reasons for this are twofold, firstly I am 58 years old and having been riding bikes continuously since the age of 17 mostly in my home country of Scotland, I have had my fill of riding in cold rain. Secondly, laying up gives me a change to recharge my bank account to facilitate further travel.

I sold up everything to do this and as I am now retired and have nothing to return to Scotland for, I can take my time, so the trip will probably take somewhere between 5 and 10 years to complete.

I was intending to write a blog primarily for my own purpose of documenting my travels, however I have the notion that depending on the content, other bikers might want to read some of what I have to say but this is where it gets a little tricky. While I m contributing to other forums like the Royal Enfield Owners forum, these contributions are more about how the bike performs on my trip, a sort of ongoing long term review of the bike.

Now I am seeking opinions as to what to populate my blog with. Should it be only about the travel with lots of pictures? Should the blog be the place for the ongoing bike review? Should I include a detailed guides of how I carried out repairs etc. Should it be about how I went about crossing borders, the paperwork, problems and solutions? Should it be all of these or something else? Should I make videos, if so what about?

I have watched a lot of travellers video blogs on YouTube and while they are initially enthralling I have come to realise that their content is driven by their use of this platform as a way of funding their travels through donations from viewers. Now while this is their choice and I respect them for that, this is not I route that I want to go down. I personally feel that travels such as that which I have now undertaken should inspire other bikers to travel on their bikes, as Ted Simon's did for me, rather than use my story as a way to get them to pay me for what I am doing. As I said before, this is not to criticise or demean any other bikers for using this method for funding their travel, it is just that I personally feel that for me to do it would be wrong and it would contradict the personal rationale behind why I sold up and opted to ride around the world on my bike rather than stay at home.

So as you can see there are lots of different directions that I could go with it but there is little point in deviating away from solely documenting my travels if it is of no use to anyone else. Therefore it would be good to have you send me your opinions on this matter. Let me know what is important to you in a story or blog as this could help me shape it in to something that my fellow bikers could find both entertaining and valuable.

AnTyx 6 Oct 2019 16:19

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Should it be only about the travel with lots of pictures? Should the blog be the place for the ongoing bike review? Should I include a detailed guides of how I carried out repairs etc. Should it be about how I went about crossing borders, the paperwork, problems and solutions?
All of those are good topics. But primarily it should be something you're excited about, and have something interesting to share.

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I have watched a lot of travellers video blogs on YouTube and while they are initially enthralling I have come to realise that their content is driven by their use of this platform as a way of funding their travels through donations from viewers.
Indeed - and even when they are not soliciting donations (or not doing it in a pushy or annoying way), a lot of them build their trip around producing content. If this is not something you naturally love to do, focusing on it can ruin your own experience of your trip.

Notice how Ted Simon wasn't really writing weekly magazine articles during his travels... he went around the world, came back, processed the entire journey, then wrote a cohesive story of it. That's the best way, I think.

Use your blog as a first draft / scratchpad, so you don't forget what happened. Don't worry too much about making it perfect or making it what the audience wants.

markharf 6 Oct 2019 17:11

I’m not part of your target audience, since I seldom read blogs and even more seldom follow them regularly. Nonetheless I do read a lot of print travel writing—magazines, newspapers, books—and I’ve got a few clear likes and dislikes. Typically I’m looking for alert, aware, insightful accounts of how travel changed you—how it taught you about yourself, your prejudices or preconceptions, about your home country and culture,

Of course I’m all in favor of a truly world-class travelogue—I’m thinking of the group that rode motorbikes up the Skeleton Coast beach, dragging them up the dunes above the high tide line when they got caught out, or some of Colebatch’s reports from Russia and South America. But not many of us are having adventures of this sort, and far fewer still are capable of writing about them engagingly. In such cases, I’m still looking for signs that the writer has been altered by their experiences; that they’re traveling to expand themselves, not to gather passport stamps and bragging rights.

THe other point of interest for me is when someone can get far enough inside the places they’re traveling to educate me about unfamiliar cultures, geography, ecosystems, the various ways people have evolved to deal with problems of food, shelter, raising families, physical comfort. Again, writing about such stuff engagingly is hard work, and it demands a level of skill and insight which, on the evidence, not many of us possess. Typically, it also requires a fair bit of actual research beyond reading guidebooks and other blogs.

I’m sure there’s a place for budget spreadsheets, descriptions of the minutia of mechanical prep and packing lists, or routing decisions. For me, that place was mostly long, long ago...unless I happen to have the identical problem, and you happen to describe exactly the right solution.

I’ve traveled alongside semiprofessional bloggers, and they’re quite tiresome and don’t appear to be having much fun. The video bloggers appear even less happy than the print bloggers, presumably because they’re endlessly repeating stuff from different camera angles, correcting bits of faulty monologue and struggling to plug for their sponsors. Personally, I’d rather stick with my day job and make my travels my own.

If I found myself wanting to gain an audience, I’d absorb as much as I could of the classic travel writers—Theroux and Chatwin come to mind, as does the Outside Magazine writer with the clever titles (Wolverines Are Gnawing My Bones, or some such, was one) whose name escapes me, or absolutely anything by John McPhee.

Don’t know if any of that is useful, but I hope so. In any case, there it is.

Mark

Scrabblebiker 6 Oct 2019 17:26

Congratulations for starting your big trip.


As previously mentioned by AnTyx I would agree that it's best to write about things that YOU are passionate about.


Personally, I like blogs with lots of facts and information such as border crossings, road conditions, weather, interesting under the radar sights and experiences along the way and other things not covered in mainstream guidebooks. A good balance of pictures and text is a good thing in my mind.



I also like to read about unexpected challenges and highs and lows, especially when told with some humour or wit. Think Lois Pryce.


Repairs, unless generic and applying to any bike, might be better as a link to a separate page for those who have similar bikes to yours. Or maybe only a brief description with a link for those who want more details.



All the best on your trip.
...Michelle

Madbiker 6 Oct 2019 19:08

Hi AnTyx, markhaf and Scrabblebiker.

Thanks for replying.

AbTyx I take your point about not forgetting about writing about what interests me so thanks for this advice. I like you markhaf, seldom follow blogs as I find they tend to be rather self indulgent in a lot of ways. My reason for looking at biker travel blogs and YouTube was mainly for research and although the videos were occasionally entertaining, most if not all of them in my opinion lacked the sort of information that a traveller following in their footsteps, such as I, would find useful. However, I would like to clarify something, I don't really want to serve an audience as such, I am not seeking fame or recognition, far from it, I just feel that by doing something like this I could contribute something of use to my fellow bikers. I also take your point and that made by Scrabblebiker on mechanical issues and I think it might be a better idea to leave posting such issues in bike specific forums. Thanks for the constructive advice.

markharf 6 Oct 2019 19:58

The author whose name I couldn’t remember is Tim Cahill: Jaguars Ripped My Flesh, and A Wolverine is Eating My Leg. Apparently he also set the world speed record for driving the complete PanAm Highway with a professional driver....then wrote a book about it, which think I’ll continue to avoid.

backofbeyond 7 Oct 2019 09:06

I think you might find it harder than you imagine to make any significant amount of money from blogging. People have been trying to get others to finance their activities through various forms of sponsorship since time immemorial and blogging is just another iron in that fire.

I'm guessing, from reading your initial post, that this is a solo trip. You'll be travelling on your own so your time will be your own and you can decide for yourself what to do with it. I mention that because the requirements for 'professional' level recording of the trip, be it real time blogging or recording it all for later analysis (writing books, articles and all the other options) is a right royal pain in the a*se for anyone else travelling with you. Much of the time it will feel like the trip is only a vehicle for the record rather than the other way round and travelling companions with their own reasons for being there will lose patience with the process very quickly.

If you are on your own you, of course, can decide what interests you but my experience is that the things that capture other people's attention are the sort of things you normally try to avoid. A 'smooth' trip where the bike never breaks down and the weather / scenery / people you meet are 'average' is never going to captivate a remote reader's imagination. It's the things you don't want to happen that they want to hear about: your engine explodes in the desert, you get arrested, run out of money, get death threats etc. As Ted Simon said (more or less) 'it's the breakdowns that make the trip'. The trouble is that when you are in 'crisis' mode that's the time you're least likely to want to step outside your problems and record it all.

A lot of people get round this contradiction by 'inventing' a purpose for the trip - fastest, weirdest, cultural insights etc and then reporting what they're doing through that filter. That way you get to put in your own controlable crisis - will we make the ferry, can the moped make it over the mountains etc. Sometimes it works but often it doesn't, particularly with the 'insights' approach where you need to have the ability to distill what you experience into a logical form. That (in my experience anyway) is best done afterwards where you can reflect at length on the totality of the trip. I've written a number of travel books and I read a lot of others for inspiration. The best of them have a common characteristic of seeming to be open to everything, sponges that absorb it all, mix the various elements and then produce a tale that seems to be more than the sum of its parts. Paul Theroux, as mentioned by Mark, is a master at this.

Whatever you write (or video which imho is a lot harder to do well than writing)
turn it upside down before handing it over to your readers / viewers. By that I mean look at what you've produced from the perspective of your reader / viewer. Unless someone's planning on following your exact route (unlikely) long passages about how you spent a day on this road followed by a morning on that road is unreadable. Equally unreadable (except in context) is en route road tests about how the bike did exactly what it was supposed to do. The best motorcycle travel reports I've read hardly mention the bike at all other than where it plays a part in the human story. Writing a workshop manual about how your model has the new improved clutch / forks / brakes is something I don't want to read about except for when those things take centre stage - someone stole your forks overnight, your flywheel fell off and overtook you etc.

Ask yourself why you're doing this - both the trip and the reporting. Certainly with the reporting there's an element of I don't know what I think until I've written it down. Writing certainly does concentrate the mind. On almost every significant trip I've done I've come back with a whole load of half formed impressions, emotions and connections that swirl around in my head like a forest in the mist. You can see some bits but others just slip through your fingers as you try to grasp them. It's the writing process that gives form to all this. You can't write half formed thoughts (unless you're a far better writer than me anyway), you have to condense it into words on the page. That's the stage at which you realise what it is you've experienced. The trouble is that writing takes so long. It took me over a year to complete my last full sized book and over the course of the last six months a 1500 word article for a magazine has morphed into a 20k word mini book.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do and I'd be interested to see how things go. Post up some links / do some reports and keep us updated.

Flipflop 7 Oct 2019 11:59

Notice how Ted Simon wasn't really writing weekly magazine articles during his travels... he went around the world, came back, processed the entire journey, then wrote a cohesive story of it. That's the best way, I think.

This is not so. Ted Simon was a journalist and was sponsored to travel round the world by The Sunday Times - sending back articles on a semi regular basis to be published. The only reason that they were semi regular is because they had to go via post which was not always efficient in remote places.

He was not a motorcyclist but chose this mode of transport because he thought it would put him more in touch with his surroundings and the people he met along the way - which of course is true.

When he set off on his Triumph he was a complete novice rider but an accomplished writer. I believe that these two factors are what makes his books, for me, so well written and above all interesting.

I have read a lot of travel books, motorcycle and other, and for me, it is the style of writing that counts - much like it would in a novel. Take Sam Manicorn - all round lovely man by the way - I didn’t really enjoy his first book, although the content was amazing. Halfway through his second book I couldn’t put it down and I devoured his third - practice makes perfect.

My advice for a book would be to do a creative writing course, find a good writing style then think about that in relation to your travels and the content will come - definitely write a journal if not a blog.

Good luck with your future, it sounds amazing and I look forward to reading your book.bier

Madbiker 7 Oct 2019 15:35

Hi backofbeyond and Flipflop.

Thanks for your comments and advice.

I see from reading my initial post that I did not make it clear that I do NOT intend to try to make any income from anything that I may write or film. I see a lot of bikers going down this route and whilst I respect their decisions to do so so, it's just not for me.

My primary focus is about riding my bike and seeing the world as I go, updating any written blog, or making videos from footage taken during my journey, I see is a job for me to do when I am layed up somewhere over the colder months.

This is why I was asking for your advice regarding content because initially I need to discover if there are fellow bikers out there who would like to read or view what I am producing and secondly, if I am to produce anything, I would rather produce something that is of use to those people, as opposed to producing something designed to attract an audience of donors.

I hope this not only makes my intended purpose clearer but also encourages additional constructive comments from members.

Flipflop 7 Oct 2019 15:58

Hi
I see, much clearer now, it was the book thing that threw me although I realised that you weren’t in it for money.
One of the best websites I’ve come across is ‘Tigger 2 up ATW’
This is, for me, the perfect combination of photos, description of places/people and practical information. It’s well set up and easy to navigate.

I will use it as a template for our Americas adventure and something similar for other regions of the world would be excellent.

Madbiker 7 Oct 2019 16:01

Ok Flipflop I will look at that, thanks again for the advice.

Threewheelbonnie 8 Oct 2019 07:45

Simple answer don't bother, it's your trip and what you do on it is of little interest to most people. The pressure to turn "What I did on my Holiday" into a best seller is going to change the trip and endless stuff about what you had to eat or the quality of petrol is unreadable. People have been everywhere on the planet, so there isn't much to add by writing more of the Wikipedia entry. This was different in Ted Simon's day when France was exotic. Getting arrested or joining drug smugglers for a few more followers is insane.

Why not just use Twitter or one of the photo sharing websites and post the better photo's or a comment or two when something genuinely interesting happens? If people engage you have the interaction which adds to the trip. If they don't it's like any other conversation, change the subject. Unique things like a certain location in certain light produced by certain weather are interesting. Less is more.


Enjoy your trip.

Andy

Madbiker 8 Oct 2019 08:54

Hi Andy.

You know the more I have been thinking about it, the more I think that you are right.

One of the reasons that I asked this question was that I had looked at a lot of other blogs etc. and I could not find one that was different from all of the rest.

I take your point about no one is really that interested in what anyone else is doing, it's human nature, so I think that I will just do something a bit more personal to keep my friends and family updated on my travels.

Thanks for you perspective on this.

backofbeyond 8 Oct 2019 09:03

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Originally Posted by Threewheelbonnie (Post 604982)
Simple answer don't bother, it's your trip and what you do on it is of little interest to most people.

Andy

Despite Andy's cynicism there is a desire for this sort of stuff; you've only got to see the number of people selling books at events like the HUBB meets or Overland magazine or Austin and Lois's travel film festival, or even the trip reports here to realise that. If you're going to dip your toe into those waters though you have you ask yourself why. Almost everyone I know who's produced a book or written an article / report (I don't know any film producers) have done it as a labour of love rather than as a commercial proposition. One or two of them make some money from sales etc but at an overall hourly rate that's (it seems to me anyway) certainly way below minimum wage. As in most things there are a few exceptions but mostly if you're doing it at a DIY level it won't be for the money, it'll be because you enjoy the writing / editing / analysing etc process.

If you think you have something to offer then put the time in, produce whatever you think reflects well on your experience and see what people think when you cast it into the outer darkness of public opinion, but don't think (to paraphrase that old toilet humour joke) 'the jobs not done until the paperwork's finished'.

Threewheelbonnie 8 Oct 2019 12:27

Lois Pryce, Ted Simon, the Mondo Enduro blokes, Chris Scott etc. all established themselves before it had all been seen before and before it was free on the Internet . Ed March and a few others came up with twists and styles that established themselves. People will now buy a new Lois book because they liked the first one.

Joining this club requires something new. If you write a crime novel you need someone to pick you over Agatha Christie, Ian Rankin..... etc. Same with travel books.

Now a diary to remind you of the good old days when you are in a old people's home run by the Vegan Order St. Greta, that's a reason to put a bit of effort in if you want to.

Andy

chris 8 Oct 2019 17:50

My view is that the only person you're doing the trip(s) for is yourself. A personal (and public = blog, vlog etc) is great for you and your closer friends and family, should they be interested.

Other people on forums and social media will find you if the words/ pictures/ videos are genuinely worth reading/ looking at/ watching. If nobody clocks you, no problem: It's all just for your memories anyway. :thumbup1:

If you want to become a legend in your own lunchtime, you'll have to be very big into self promotion and spamming the internet, which will only endear you to the sycophants and be detrimental to reaching the other 95%.

There are plenty of self-proclaimed "adventure bike riding personalities" (sarcasm intentional!) who despite having mastered how to write at school and who own camera equipment are neither authors, nor photo-/video-graphers.

PS. If you own a selfie stick, please do everyone a favour and stick it where the sun never shines. :Beach: If you ever take a picture of a plate of food and publish it, I promise I'll block/hide/unfollow/unfriend/all of the above you! :mchappy:

backofbeyond 8 Oct 2019 18:06

We seem to have zeroed in on books but there's plenty of other options available. Books do seem to take the most time to do though - a year to do my last one vs an hour and a half this morning to do a short article for a magazine - and that included sorting out the pictures in Photoshop.

I still think that, in the same way that one swallow doesn't make a summer, a batch of books from the usual suspects doesn't saturate a market. Yes there's some big name scribblers in the bike travel world but there's a huge armchair biker audience out there. I've seen people like Zoe Cano chasing that market at auto jumbles, vintage rallies and the like and, judging by the way her pile of books diminishes during the day, seemingly doing well.

People are always buying new books and, from the popularity of my local Oxfam shop, many secondhand ones as well despite there only being, what is it, seven basic plots? Doesn't stop them reading the same story over and over with only the names changed as a holiday beach read. Amazon makes it so easy to self publish these things that there's nothing to lose but your time and as many people find writing a pleasure rather than a chore it's time considered well spent.

Flipflop 9 Oct 2019 10:11

I agree with B.O.B.
You only have to see the amount of people that go to Adventure bike rallies and follow bloggers such as itchy boots to see there is a huge amount of interest in motorcycle travel.
Don’t forget how many people buy books like A Year In Provence without the slightest inclination of moving abroad.
My wife and I have been having mini motorcycle trips of a month every year for the past 25 and the furthest I ever got with a personal diary was 3 days doh but that’s just me :D
If you’ve got the time and inclination write a blog as you go like Tigger RTW if only for your own memories. Then you have all the information and can write a book at some stage if you so wish - this seems to me to be a flexible approach.

I think it’s about expectations. My wife has just done a motorcycle trip and unexpectedly the conditions turned out extreme. Loads of non biking people are really interested and love the photos. She didn’t tell loads of people she was doing it, word just got around - now she’s being interviewed on BBC local radio.

Write a blog for yourself - and me of course beer - with no expectations, then what will be will be.
bier

Madbiker 9 Oct 2019 15:01

Thanks for all you comments,

I take on board all of you comments and I think the different opinions do demonstrate that each person has their own personal likes and dislikes in respect of such matters and this in turn, has focused my own mind a little more.

I am now swayed towards doing a blog and that it should be about what I want to write about and if it is of interest to anyone or anyone can take something from it then that is just a byproduct.

With regard to owning a selfie stick, if you have ever seen any photographs that I have uploaded anywhere, you may notice that I never feature in them. That's because as one of my former colleagues told me " Tom, you have ha face for radio!"

chris 9 Oct 2019 16:55

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Originally Posted by Madbiker (Post 605041)
Thanks for all you comments,

I take on board all of you comments and I think the different opinions do demonstrate that each person has their own personal likes and dislikes in respect of such matters and this in turn, has focused my own mind a little more.

I am now swayed towards doing a blog and that it should be about what I want to write about and if it is of interest to anyone or anyone can take something from it then that is just a byproduct.

With regard to owning a selfie stick, if you have ever seen any photographs that I have uploaded anywhere, you may notice that I never feature in them. That's because as one of my former colleagues told me " Tom, you have ha face for radio!"


I don't have a particular issue with selfies, per say. More with sticks and how dangerous they are, particularly when morons are waving them around at motorcycle races. Both sticks next to the racetrack and drones within a several km radius are forbidden at the IoM TT, for example. IMHO, 99% of the population are BOBFOC (Body of Baywatch, Face of Crimewatch) or BOCFOC, although in the age of social media you can be whatever your personal life coach, alcohol or the shouty shouty tracksuit wearing types tell you, you are. doh

As far as bike travel diaries over the past 2 decades go, maybe check my (unsuccessful, but I still like my stuff... :innocent: ) internet presence.

1. Around the millenium: all super keen, sponsored on RTW trip, 10 magazine articles, pictured IN (!!!!) a BMW1150GSA brochure :rofl: etc.

2. Early 2000s onwards, until about 2014: Build a website from first principles (see red link below), but after a while, can't be bothered messing with it any more.

3. 2005 or so. Decide it's all bollox and the bike travel fraternity is populated with a large minority of bullsh!tters and publicity seeking narcissist spammers. Or maybe as the shouty shouty types do all the shouting, normal and pleasant travellers never get heard or seen?

4. Wrote a few ride reports on this HU-forum and advrider (See green link below and also from the homepage of the red link). Linked from social media to these RRs too. (The green trip finished in 2016... I've also travelled a lot since, but couldn't be bothered with any fora anymore).

5. Social media appears on the scene and all regular websites and fora start to die a slow death. I create my personal Facebook "timeline" and post a few words and pics exclusively for my FB "friends".

6. Early in 2019: Created an Instagram profile that also feeds a Facebook "page" ( BrightysJollys ) where I've posted a few of my favourite pictures, and words I find relevant. After my trip this summer I now have just over 200 Instagram "followers" (the most popular Instagramer is Cristiano Ronaldo, the footballer who has 185 million followers, not including me :mchappy: ) and 300 Facebook page "likes". I find the most popular pictures and hence posts (judged by positive comments and likes/reactions) are selfies (!!) :smartass::smartass::smartass: and landscapes, but only with a lot of sun/ blue sky.

I also share the BrightysJollys Facebook page to my personal Facebook timeline and the HU Facebook Group (when I'm not banned from there for daring to try to sell a bike travel related service in their "for sale" section! :Beach: :D :rofl: :blushing: )

I don't bother with Twitter because it just seems full of Z-list celebrity rants and pictures of plates of food/kittens/vomit. I also never bothered with dedicated blogging software because, since social media, nobody goes there anyway.

Also recently set up my (not IT proficient) parents with a Facebook account so they can look at my public words and pictures. It also saves me the extra work sending all my words and pictures to them via email :clap:

MEZ 12 Nov 2019 03:14

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Originally Posted by chris (Post 605045)

3. 2005 or so. Decide it's all bollox and the bike travel fraternity is populated with a large minority of bullsh!tters and publicity seeking narcissist spammers. Or maybe as the shouty shouty types do all the shouting, normal and pleasant travellers never get heard or seen?

It still is pal....!!!!


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