A recent increase in arguments, ranting and ill feeling on the hubb !!
 

Have we had an influx of new angry members ?? Has everyone just gone a bit mad recently with all the financial problems and bad weather ???

It just seems that every thread I read, there is someone at someone elses neck. People getting wound up and drawn into pointless arguments which really have no place here. .. There's just no need. This isnt visordown.com !

This is a great forum and kept great by its members who are 99% of the time, fantastic, friendly and laid back folk who won't be drawn into pointless internet "baiting".. (Traveller qualities I guess)..

So people, lets all just count to 10 and smile and keep the Hubb laid back and cool

! :Beach:

Yes
 

Sorry Ted . I have to say you're right. Well said. Linzi.

Ted,

I agree. It happens on most forums. I think it's because people will type what they wouldn't say to someone's face. Also, things easily get taken out of context or "blown up" because us humans are programed to react to body language, facial expression and tone of voice and we don't get that instant feedback with typed messages.

Of course some people are just moody, objectionable w*nkers and are only happy if they're in an argument. :taz:

Yup, it does... I have been members of many forums most of which I dont use anymore due to arguments and baiting etc.

The hubb has alwasy been different due to the fact that it only attracted like minded travelling bikers.... I guess with motorcycle travel becoming more and more popular and with the hubb becoming bigger and more commercial, there was always going to be an influx of new members and I guess you are always going to get a few argumentable types thrown in with the mix...

:innocent:

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I think you've hit the nail on the head. I'd hate to start the subject of TV programmes etc. again, but when something becomes more popular you always get people who are in it to inflate their own egos rather than anything else. I actually think we do OK compared to other sites.

Andy

Caminando, I did not wish to portray that the HUB was an unpleasant place because its not.. Like I said, 99% of its members are really cool folk !! :thumbup1:

It was just a light hearted post to "hopefully" remind some people that we should try and get along... It just seemed (to me anyway), that there was alot of ill feeling going about, to the point of personal insults.. Im not going to name people as its not my place to do so.. Im not talking about dissagreement and heated debate as thats what makes forums objective and useful.. I was just refering to personal insults really !

Maybe its just the posts I seem to read....

I used to use that forum A LOT a few years ago !! It was great while it was small and friendly and quite unknown . Sadly it sold out to TWO magazine and now its just trash, sales and arguments about whos R6 is faster !!

I disagree
 

Nope guys, can only speak for myself and I owe an apology. Personally I enjoy converstion but can easily get excited so to speak. This should be a site to which people come for info and from wich they go with an uplifted feeling I think. Linzi.

With you
 

I'm with my new friend Linz --- PEACE OUT MAN!

From now on only positive comment from me .... I promise :)

PS Linz - order from Amazon arrived, Titled 'Taking Liberties'. turns out it's DVD - subtitled 'The UK's version of Farenheight 911'. Do you know if it's the same thing?

PEACE AND LOVE

I like that too!:innocent:

Personally, I blame that Albert Crutcher

Liberalism
 

As for the DVD, I'll check. Sounds like no though. The book shows Tony Blair beside an "ordinary guy" in jeans and Tony's gripping this guy's private parts.There is also a DVD but both book and DVD are specifically about the hundreds of laws passed by Labour under Tony Blair. I'll get back to you. ps My main problem these days is worrying if I am getting the truth! I no longer trust the UK press or news. Linzi.

Author
 

Chris Atkins author of Taking Liberties, Less than £5,00 from Amazon. Cornish Deity are you interested in southern Moroccan pistes? Linzi.

Ahhh
 

DVD has same cover. Just gotta try and find time for i now.

As for the pistes, we won't be hitting Northern Africa till about 2015+ assuming we can continue te trip as planned, so I think the answer is no for now ...

Thanks

Cheers

Tee hee :D:D There's only love in this camp :D

It's all relative ,my son has described the HUBB as "rather like an old people's home" as nothing interesting ever happens here .
I don't agree but maybe I am a geriatric old fart .
There is the occasional spat once in a while ,sometimes about BMW vs The Rest and sometimes just nasty trolls , the mods jump in quickly and sort it out and there have been some bannings .
Some members have been rehabilitated [some more than once ] and others have simply vanished - Herbert Meek where are you now ?

The problem [and perhaps the great virtue of this site] is that it has a worldwide appeal and many subscribers have English as a second or third language and may not understand what is going on .Therefore I think it is quite proper for the mods to crack down heavily on trolls and the like .

I haven't noticed any increase in nastiness on the HUBB but maybe I need my eyes testing .:eek3:

Glad you agree the site isn't nasty. - and some of your other points were well said.

Sorry your "son" doesnt like the HUBB. Is he registered here BTW? There are two Dodgers, but maybe "he" goes under a totally different name .....??:scooter:

I've never seen any nastiness on hear, good ole banter, yeah.

Spot on Baluchiman. :thumbup1:

Ta La. I meant 'here' not 'hear'.

There are indeed two Dodgers to my knowledge on the HUBB ;
Dodger which is me and The Dodger who is someone else - no connection at all .

My son has his own identity on the HUBB and he does not dislike HU or the HUBB .

I hope this clears up any misconceptions you may have had .

Speaking of Ill feeling and Trolls.....
 

This is yet another guy doing a race, flying through a region and making sweeping statements and spending money like a Drunken sailor.
$110 hotel in Nicaragua? Obviously NOT a budget traveler.

Oops! sorry! Dodger! It's just that you said he felt the "HUBB was an old people's home where nothing ever happened", I thought that meant he didn't like it.

As for the multiple Dodger identity problem, what you explained was like reading a John Le Carre "Smiley's People" complicated spy novel. It's too much for me.....:eek3:
A father and "son" team.:thumbup1:! good!

Anyway, get that bike ready for spring!:cool4:

Buen viaje

Mollydog, I was tempted to respond again on that particular thread, but managed to hold myself back. If there's a tolling element in the posts, he'll fade quickly in the absence of responses. If serious (which is my guess), he's addressing an audience which differs substantially from me. So what's to gain by responding?

FWIW, my questions to myself when trying to decide about such things are: will my response add value to The Hubb? Will it be helpful to me personally? Will it help the person I'm responding to in some way? Not always in that order, of course.

When I answer "no" to all three questions but post anyway, I generally regret it....especially when I'm feeling even slightly moralistic about my response.

Mileages vary, sometimes drastically.

Mark

Thanks for the feed back Mark.

Usually means you haven't seen enough of the place IMHO.

I hate Manchester (God Damn it, Terry Christian and all his little wizards). There is nothing there that couldn't usefully be solved with tactical nuclear weapons (preferably while said Terry Christian was on air). There are other people who will no doubt go on about it's better side, but they are obviously not trying to get past the ***ing place without the aid of satnav on a bike that can't go on the motorway. (BTW, what's the point of signposting **** like "Library" and "Sports Centre" but not the next major town up the road? Don't people who live there know where their own library is? If Mancunians are that daft, will they be able to understand the signs?). I'm sure given more time I'd be less inclined to nuke the rat hole, but that's usually the crux of it, time and the willingness to wade through the bad to get to the good.

Andy

LoL!! Do you fell better now?

I could actually warm my hands from the monitor screen while reading that post!

Glad you enjoyed it. Couldn't resist getting a nice rant going in a thread about rants. :oops2:. Still, it's good for the soul or something.

Andy

An unfortunate truth
 

I have to say that i have noticed the increase in rants and agro on the HUBB myself (including the personal attacks).. AND I know that I have had at least one rant to my name.. and for that I am saying SORRY TO ALL ON THE HUBB for bringing any ill will to this place..

The rants IMHO are the lessor evil though.. (everyone deserves to blow off steam once and a while).. it is the personal attacks that I feel need to stop. There is no reason for this at all. I have even read a few attacks on new people asking broad questions, and feeling lost amongst the mass of information, (okay maybe the information is available in other places, but this is no reason to attack). This attitude almost made me leave the HUBB. I would like to point out that one of the new members that was attacked responded to the post and has not been seen since! I have spoken to them and they now reluctant to ask anything else.

In general this place is great and a safe haven, as someone said 99% of the people are nice and helpful. We are all human and can get excited when there is topic close to our hearts or hits a nerve. I don’t think debates should stop, every story has 3 sides (his, hers, and the truth) however the language (words) we use are very important, it is all to easy to use emotive words with out realising it and thus not portray what you meant to say. In text it is extremely hard to hear tone of voice (so it is easy to write something that sounds okay to the writer but a reader will "hear" something else) emoticons simply don’t help.

A simular thing happened last year and resulted in a group of members having to have their posts checked by the moderators before they were allowed to go on the HUBB, this is not what anyone wants. So lets stick to the Golden Rule.. If you don’t have anything nice to say… don’t say anything at all!!

I agree, it’s not as nice as it used to be.

There are quite a few posts I don’t bother to reply even if I have first-hand information. I know a few resource-full persons who feel the same way and slowly I see them disappear from this place, it’s sad.



The 99%-thing is spot on, a lot of nice people around here!

yep
 

yeah I love this place, and I have had my fair share of arguments with the locals (earning me the name 'tommytitfromleeds', which I find really funny:mchappy:) but opinions is opinions. Just want to say thanks to all the guys and gals who haver helped me with advice; everything from malleria warnings in Vietnam and the best roads in scotland. to these people I say cheers, muchas gracias, thanks a bundle, good on you, caps doffed, the lot! :thumbup1:

cant stay and chat, off for a three day spin around the peaks.:scooter::funmeteryes:

adios, peace out and much love.

Funny stuff Andy:taz:

To be honest, this forum is excellent and the arguments here are usually nothing compared to any argument on most forums.

What i don't understand is how some, particularly visordown, have become so "cliquey". Have these people got no friends or anyone they associate with outside of the internet?

And at least on HUBB, there's usually a half intelligent come back instead of "You're gay" which seems to be a multi-purpose response to any question, for anyone out of their depth in a discussion.

Bike yep
 

Hi Molly, yes that was in Bike magazine. He made no secret of the fact the little BMW he was on was not insured etc. A couple of issues later he's on the back of another writer's bike en route to a continental bike show, " 'cos he's got no licence"! Made me wonder if the police read the article and acted on the info. He's a real character. I dream and hope that he's crouched over a keyboard writing out the awsome book that he's capable of but somehow I doubt it. Linzi. ps Bike is with a new editor and publisher, you might prefer TWO now--Two Wheels Only magazine.

You've not read this one?

Nope
 

Hi Molly, that's what I meant--that hilorious book is actually the drunken, lazy genious' cheeky excuse for a book. It is a republishing of articles from Bike. If he could just discipline himself he could be found guilty of mass murder by killing by laughter but I long to be proven wrong. I hope he does put pen to paper. Linzi.