Banned Hubbers - why?
 

I just noticed that Ta-Rider, an active veteran Hubber for years, shows up with "banned" below his profile name. As I've never really noticed this on any other profile before, curiosity got the better of me as to what kind of behavior could lead to banishment, and hence started sifting through his latest posts. I really couldn't find any serious misconduct, if any... I didn't dig very deep though as I assume it would most likely be related to one of his latest posts.

So, why did he get banned, and are there many others? What is the most typical reason? I like a free and liberal Internet where all opinions can be voiced, even those we don't like... illicit marketing or trolling is a different matter.

I must admit that I have sailed pretty close to the wind at times with some of my comments and have had warnings, I find the HUBB to be pretty tolerant unlike ABR where if you disagree with anyone and you are not part of the 'clique' you are banned for virtually nothing. Hope Ta-rider is not on a permanent ban.

I don't think Taa rider is banned ... he may have just inserted that below his HUBB name? Not sure.
I think you can put anything there? Go to "USER OPTIONS" .. and look at one of the first things you can do.

Compared to other forums ... HUBB is free and easy.
Thousands ... have been permanently banned on ADV Rider. They have some moderators there who take themselves very seriously ... the owner of ADV Rider not involved much any more. (can't blame him)

i've received a few warnings here and here on various fora, including one here, mostly for fairly innocuous stuff. some mods are a bit too taken with their duties and some fora a bit too controlling.

i'm a firm believer in the need for thick skin. when someone says something stupid, the masses should blast him and they should be allowed to do so. hate speech is a different story

There's thick skin and there's I really can't be bothered. Most of us come on forums like this either to contribute what we can, to learn, or even, occasionally, to be amused and pass the time of day. Either way it's done voluntarily.

If I find I'm being subjected to a torrent of abuse or even if there's the fear of abuse because of the general tone of the forum why would I bother? I don't need this or any other forum and managed to get through most of my pre internet life quite successfully without them.

I have no problem with strongly argued points and where there's some rational basis to it I'm quite happy to fight my corner but many of the spats come from nothing with people just being offensive for the sake of it, a personality defect more than anything. How else would you explain this exchange from another bike forum -

"You sick bastard xxxxx
You need help

And banning from here forever

Now piss off "

Mild compared to some I agree but it came out of nowhere and was pretty much unjustified. Just someone playing mindgames. And, within half an hour some kind of feeding frenzy had developed with insults flying in all directions and a baying mob wanting to lynch xxxx. Even if it all calms down I'm never going to contribute as aggression is too close to the surface. That forum, btw, wasn't full of teens /20's hyped up on a surfeit of testosterone but is populated mostly by OAPs who really ought to know better.

If that's the way this forum goes then it'll be without me. I'm not going to spend much time in a pub where people are getting glasses shoved in their faces or visit a cinema where fights break out in the ticket queue. I. and I'm sure many others, come here because we want to, not because we have to.

I now await the "well why don't you piss off then" responses but only those with argued valid reasons why I should will get any sort of reply, and even then only if I feel like it. And here's the spirit in which this post was made - :rofl:

It's not appropriate to discuss in public why any particular user of this site has been banned. TA rider was given the reasons. The fact that the original "offending" content has been deleted hopefully won't come as a surprise. Hence all remaining contributions look innocuous.

The only thing I will say is that (following the original short term ban) creating multiple accounts under different aliases did not endear him to the moderators and lengthened the ban. When the aliases are discovered, all the content is deleted and this alias banned too. This task takes about 30 seconds.

For me the most onerous task of a mod on the hubb is deleting/banning commercial spammers. Having to warn somebody happens very rarely and a ban is virtually never issued.

Genuine bikers/travellers who wish to engage in troll-like behaviour usually quickly give up trying to wind the hu-public up and go off elsewhere to more fertile ground. Genuine trolls look at this site and go elsewhere straight away.

I was going to suggest that myself but you beat me to it Chris.

If someone is banned from any forum for saying something offensive or breaking the rules in some way, then its a pretty good bet that the thing that was offensive or that broke the rules will be removed. If there is something strong enough to earn someone a ban, then of course the forum administrators can not just leave it online.

So looking for offensive comments / behaviour in what remains on the board is kinda not getting how the process works on this or on any other board.

I'm not a Mod here, but I have been a Mod for France's biggest expat ( U.K.) bike club web site for some years, and would like to support the onerous and sometimes thankless task moderators face.

In the face of subjective matter, mod's must remain entirely objective in any decisions made, and that can be very tricky. What members don't see is the iceberg, - more goes on under the water in hidden places than is apparent on the surface, and decisions are usually collective rather than individual, excepting in blatant cases where immediate action is obvious.

One persons joke can be another's insult, and I agree a certain amount of thick skin and tolerance must be exercised, both by members and by mod's.

The only critieria a Mod can use for decisions are the site rules, and every judgement must be made against them. If rules have been compromised or broken then action must be taken. Not an easy task, and mods IMHO must have thicker skin than most because they are always in the firing line from somewhere.

I agree that individual cases must never be discussed in open forum as this can be divisive, and members really must accept that a good mod's decisions are not made lightly, but in line with responsibility and for the good /benefit of the site.

As a survivor of many bans in many places, I can tell you it's easy!! Just be non Politically Correct and sooner or later someone takes offence! Generally not the group you refer to, but usually some PC liberal who gets upset that someone may get upset.

Free and liberal is generally a contradiction. The most intolerant are usually PC liberals, who get upset at anything they think may upset someone, and take offence at any non PC utterance that doesn't fit with how they think people should think. PC is the modern day tyranny to suppress free thought and opinions, and banning, censorship, deletion, shaming etc are its enforcers. These days you don't get burnt at the stake for heresy against the PC dogma; you get banned! Now conform or else.

Posting porn, spam or threats, bah that is for amateurs in the banning game! You make it too easy for them!

Just as well then, that one of the hubb forum rules is to avoid discussing politics/religion :D

Says he with the word God in his location :rofl:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/parahax/many...yorkshire-avdw :thumbup1:

Sounds like Yorkshire supremacy to me. Definitely fits under politics and promoting one group above another so racist as well :tongue3:

Also states that God favours Yorkshire, so religion as well.


What say everyone? should Chris be :ban:

It is also a false belief. Everyone knows the place called God's Window is in the Lowveld of SA, near Graskop. So God certainly lives here, not Yorkshire. That is why you have all that rain and grey sky. He is trying to wash the place away!

http://www.southafrica.net/articles/...et-gods-window

Maybe you want to fly yourself from your place to mine to have a fight about it? (threats of violence too!)

Let the plane take the strain. Why not try Yorkshire airline :funmeteryes:



:offtopic: too. Now that's worth a ban if I ever saw one...

He also gets over taken by Lada's :scooter: so I'm sure there is something in the policy about that being worthy of a :ban:

Just simple fact lad tha 'noz :-)


Right, off t' start thread to see if Touratech make a thingy to carry a whippet on a BMW and what people think of open face flat caps and semi-synthetic pudding batter!



Andy

Nah they are far too tight up there to lash out on semi synthetic pudding batter..

At least there's no photographic evidence of alleged banning offence! We do know who was dun by a Lada, but are unable to mention his name (that would be blasphemy (also a :ban:ning offence?). And why are we now talking Lada in the plural?!

There is evidence however of a certain self-portrait, eh Mark...:smartass::eek3: Let's not mention that in public :funmeteryes:


http://www.demotivationalposters.org...1281019569.jpg

Another :ban:ning reason: (partial) nudity...

This thread is also a great example of a thread-hijack bier

Yes but that is a good thing. It serves the same function as a red light district: it keeps all the smut and anti-social behaviour in one place and keeps it out of society. People can come in, spread their wild oats, and leave again back to being respectable :smartass:

Appeal
 

Back not -:offtopic:

What is the appeals procedure?
If this guy can have an appeals procedure to ensure his human rights, then surely ..................................
War criminal Charles Taylor claims UK is depriving him of right to family life | World news | The Guardian

Didn't know Charles Taylor was on the hubb. Maybe he could do a presentation at Donington? Or organise a Liberia mini meet?

The site owner is best reached via email or PM. Or in person this weekend at Donington.

One man one vote. You even get to meet the one man!

Andy

Good Lord, you should mark that photo above as "Not Safe For Work"!

One of my co-workers walked by and asked "What the Hell are you looking at??" :oops2:

Banned Hubbers - why?
 

Damn straight, if I want to be racist, sexist, xenophobic or homophobic on a public forum then that's my god given right!!! :D

Come on Kradmelder, that's just hyperbole and you know it. Can you actually cite any examples of this "tyranny"? But you're right - there are inherent contractions in the idea of free speech, but one should consider that simply because one has a right to free speech, that does not mean one can shout 'I've got a bomb' in a busy cinema, etc. With freedom comes responsibility.

Hmm, is that too political now? :)

Bollocks .. yes it is :)

This is the pub where we can talk complete bollocks!

Is that English or yorkspeak? eish. It should be a bannable offence to speak in a foreign language that is not English or Afrikaans bier


Damn. They can't even make muffins or vetkoek and the resulting disaster they termed a 'pudding' lol. But Im guilty of liking them.

[QUOTE=chris;470461]It's not appropriate to discuss in public why any particular user of this site has been banned. TA rider was given the reasons. The fact that the original "offending" content has been deleted hopefully won't come as a surprise. Hence all remaining contributions look innocuous.

The only thing I will say is that (following the original short term ban) creating multiple accounts under different aliases did not endear him to the moderators and lengthened the ban. When the aliases are discovered, all the content is deleted and this alias banned too. This task takes about 30 seconds.

Yawn. ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Sorry mate, but I can only give 2/10 for that. Btw, do you moderate for ABR? Do you rider a BMW GSA?

Not exactly.

I do however aspire to (when I grow up) purchase a riding suit made of whale foreskin. Would that get me more marks?