Overstayed TIP in Argentina
 

I'm 7 days over my TIP, and trying to leave Argentina. I was out of the country and just came back today to get my bike and leave when I realized I was off a week. There were good reasons and excuses...but still Ack!

I went to the Aduana in Mendoza (where we are now) and they told me to take it to a deposit and the go and plead ny case with the AFIP. Anyone have any experience with this? I'm wary to leave my bike in a customs garage...

Thanks!!

Ok... they said that was a necessary first step, but I'll try. Do you have any more insights?

Based on recent experience (February 2019) I would suggest (assuming you're not considering returning to ARG) to ride the main border from Mendoza towards Santiago de Chile over the Paso Internacional Los Libertadores.

The Argentine aduana man (Allegedly the boss... He told me this when I wanted to complain to his boss, that he was the boss :rofl: ) flatly refused to discharge my legitimate/ in-date TVIP (USA bike, UK passport). ARG aduana and migracion are in the same building, but on different sides. Just check out at ARG migracions when there's a bus passing, so the hall has a few people in it.

The Chilean offices aren't in the ARG building.

There's no border barrier.

So my bike is currently still "overstaying" in Argentina when it's actually now in Central Asia. ARG migracion and Chile migracion/aduana were their usual friendly/professional selves.

I do plan on returning... I'm just restarting my trip down to Ushuia. But I guess this is an option...

Arg customs
 

Dont leave your bike at the customs deposit, you wont get it back.

Hard to say what is the best to do in your situation, but what Chris suggested sounds good to me .... but be careful.

I overstayed my Arg TIP only once, if I remember correctly, it was in 2011 and I left to Brazil ... doing the same as Chris suggested ... I went to migration on a Sunday afternoon but did not go to customs, as I also did not go to Brazilian customs (a TIP was not needed back then in Brazil) .... it was easy ... nobody asked anything, as there was hardly anybody working on a Sunday afternoon .... never had a problem to reenter with the same bike.

Really hard to say what you should do. Maybe cross the border that Chris suggested first without the bike ....

Maybe start going to Afip, like Cholo suggested, but dont go there by bike ... just ask politely if you can pay a fine ....

Suerte.
mika :mchappy:

Thanks, headed to AFIP first thing tomorrow. I'll report back but I'd anyone else has suggestions I'd love to hear um!

Just to report back, I was forced to leave the bike in the customs garage. I was tempted to race to a low traffic boarder, but feared if I did, and made it out, I wouldnt be able to return. The AFIP would not do anything until they had my hike in custody (eek!) So now they have it along with doctors notes and everything else. Wish me luck! I'll post back results.

PM me,
 

PM me,
Jeff

Argentine Aduana have long memories, or at least their computer system does. Previous owners of a vehicle I bought rolled up to the border on the way to BA to leave the vehicle for me, only to be told they still had several TVIP outstanding. They were given permission to go as far as SALTA so they could sort it all out. Took several days to get sorted. Happens when aduana officers can't be bothered processing handed in TVIPs.
They also have long memories when it comes to proving someone has bought a vehicle in Arg and is a candidate for confiscation.

They havent done anything yet and the lady today told me they likely wont before they shut down for the whole month of January. I'm freaking out. This is so much worse than I thought it could be.

Guess I have to look for another bike.

overstayed TIP
 

Dont buy a bike with an Arg registration, because you wont be able to leave the country with it.

Suerte
mika

So sorry! What a nightmare.


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so I made it out. FINALLY. I went to the AFIP with a local who was a bit more pushy than I had been. He insisted in speaking to a boss and said that we understood there was a fine (I had hoped they would understand my medical reasons and waive it - but at this point, 3 weeks later, I just became desperate to get going again) and demanded to know how much it was so we could pay it. The boss of the AFIP sumarios talked to the boss at the deposito and within a day they assessed the value of my bike ($3000, despite KBB value of $2k). I had to pay 30% plus 50% import, or roughly 90% of what I actually originally paid for the bike. But I got a bit lucky. Somehow when it went to the accounting clerk, and she gave me the slip I had to take with cash to the bank, it was only 86m pesos (~$1300). Still a ton. I had a friend western union me the money, and ran to the bank, but it closed at 1. Went back the next day when it opened, waited for 3 hours, paid, got a stamp, went back to AFIP accounting clerk, she did her magic with tons of stamps and photo copies, then took it to the Sumarios, who did more stamping, then it had to be signed by a judge, and finally sent to the Deposito to fill out a new import form giving me 48 hours to leave. Timing was very tight, but once people actually started working on it, it only took 2 days. They said most people wait 6 months! Also the fines are generally too high for anyone to actually pay. Thank God I have an old, cheap motorcycle! Leaving the country took a bit longer but all my paperwork checked out and I finally was free. Nightmare experience, and cost me thousands and thousands of dollars in lost time, hotels, food, changed flights, fees, taxis, etc. If I had to do it again, I'd save more time to get back in time (I only gave myself a week, and then when I had my accident I lost it), and I'd try to run through a small boarder vs go to the aduana in town. No idea if itd work, but it seems to have for others and my way sucked. Lesson learned

Thanks for the update
 

Thanks for the update, it will help future riders

Smiles

afip
 

You made it, very good. :thumbup1:

You were lucky, the boss of the deposit did not want to keep it.

Thank you for posting your story here, as Kino Jeff said, its good for others here on the Hubb to learn.

Enjoy your journey. :mchappy:

mika