Legaly buying a bike in Brazil
 

Is there anyone that have facts about legaly
buying a Brazilian registered bike in Brazil. Without beeing resident in Brasil. But as a European. And to legaly leave the country and drive around in South America.
And to later legaly sell it. After returning to Brazil or in another country.

And back up this information with official information. Not rumors. (I heard that some one some time ...)


With buy and sell I mean to formally change ownership in official register. Not allowing someone to use it (PODER)

With Legaly I mean just that. Go inte a dealer and buy a bike and get it registered in your name. And than drive it out of the country. No photoshop of documents, Not using a "friend" as owner to drive it over the boarder or other tricks. Like changing owner in no mans land between countries.

Or to drive through the border and "hope for the best". Just because someone, sometime has passed a boarder, passing a sleepy guard, does not mean that it is legal.

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And please stay to Brasil in this thread. This is not meant to be a general discussion.
I know how it works in Colombia, and I would like to know if the same is valid for Brasil.


Thanks for any relevant information

overland travel
 

Landborders between Brazil and Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina and Bolivia are closed for Non Residents, so to this countries you can NOT travel legaly overland. But I am sure you can put your legal bike into an airplane and fly it legaly into any of the mentioned countries.

I hope this is relevant information for you.

mika :scooter:

Are you referring to the exceptional Covid situation or is this a valid statement for travels in general? I think travelling is only suspended for the time being and Erik is addressing a general question.

overland travel
 

When does an exceptional situation become accepted new normal? I am not speculating, as Erik_G wanted facts. We are down here with landborders closed for tourists legally for 11 months.

mika :scooter:

Clarifications
 

Sorry,
I should have been more clear.

I am not referring to Corona restrictions.
I am thinking of plans for the future.

But to standard regulations.
As it was before Covid19.

For example. Argentina has a law that a non resident person is not allowed to drive a Argentinian motorcycle out of the country. Example. They are going to produce Royal Enfield in Argentina, But you will not be able to buy an Enfield in Argentina and do a tour around South America.

I have only checked the Spanish speaking part of SA. Not Brasil.
But Brasil has a huge Honda Factory. Producing a lot if interesting and cheap models. So I had an idea to go to Brasil. Buy a Honda and make a tour around SA. And sell it before going home. Sometime in the future when Covid19 restrictions are gone. I try to find out if that will be possible or not.
(I need to have something to do during lock down => Plan for future)

Without getting into other aspects, you'll need a CPF before you can buy a bike (Brazilian Taxpayer ID (Cadastro de Pessoa Física)).

I don't think you will find a cheap bike in Brazil
You might want to go on Honda Brazil website and do the conversion
A lot of money for a XRE 300 plus tax that you may get back when you leave

I think it's worth pointing out that the cost of the bike in a particular market is irrelevant - because when you sell it, you'll also be selling in the same market, so your NET COST will be roughly the same wherever you are.

In other words, buy high=sell high, buy low=sell low.

Cadastro de Pessoa Física
 

What kind of Visa do you need to get this? Is the procedure complicated?

Just checked the price for the XRE 300. Not super cheap, but not super expensive. 20000 R$ or 3000€.
And this bike should bring you anywhere in SA.
I think if you will look for stuff from China you will find cheaper (but not better) options.

You need to check if you will be able to get a CPF. If that is possible for a non resident, which I think it is, it should be as well possible to buy a bike.

To get a CPF for sure you need to show an address.

Buy a bike
 

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Consistent with the information I got
Adress=> CPF => Buy a bike.
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Bom dia,

Tem como fazer sim, é necessário tirar o CPF junto a receita federal e ter um endereço que possa usar para documentar a motocicleta.
Assim pode rodar por todo o país , e pela América do Sul depende da legislação de cada país que for visitar, assim como a venda em outro país.
Att,.
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Then is the last thing to confirm. Other countries like Argentina has a law that you as foreigner can only use the bike inside the country. And not go out of the country. OBS It is the exit the is forbidden,It has nothing to do with if other countries allows you to enter.

I have not heard of any such Brasilian law. But I would like to have confirmation.

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Please keep top the topic. This is not a thread for discussion of bike types or prices or.... Just about official laws/ rules-
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Thanks

No problem to leave Brazil as a foreigner on a brazilian bike. Brazilian customs rarely stop you anyway. At most bordercrossings you have to search for them if you need them for something .

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I do not understand

What citizenship do you have ?
In what country did you buy the motorcycle ?
In what country was the motorcycle registered ? = Plates ?
Going in via Chuy and exit via Inapari ? How do you start with going in. If you as a non resident buy and MC in Brazil ?

How can a confiscated moto pass ?
Confiscated by whom ? what ?

Please explain
Thanks

I'm not going to try to translate #14 except to say that driving in and out of Brazil you pass large numbers of confiscated vehicles--parking lots full of them, both cars and motorbikes. I have no inside knowledge as to the specific reasons these confiscations took place, but they did have the desired effect, which was to encourage me to follow the rules rather closely.

Note to all: Erik_G, as the originator of this thread, requested information about people from other countries buying vehicles legally in Brazil. Wandering off-topic causes confusion.

Hope that's helpful.

Mark

The confiscated bikes and cars are all from brazilians who did something wrong, from driving without a driverlicence ( most bikers have no motorcyclelicence in Brazil...) , having debts of some kind, being involved in an accident etc.
I have never heard though that a tourist vehicle ends up there.

You said you were stopped in Iñapari. I have crossed that border 7 times and was never stopped even when customs were standing outside!

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on topic
 

[QUOTE=Erik_G;624737]I do not understand

What citizenship do you have ?
In what country did you buy the motorcycle ?
In what country was the motorcycle registered ? = Plates ?
Going in via Chuy and exit via Inapari ? How do you start with going in. If you as a non resident buy and MC in Brazil ?

How can a confiscated moto pass ?
Confiscated by whom ? what ?

Please explain

USA, I rode my moto from USA, plated and registered. I entered and exited numerous times from Argentina and Uruguay into Brazil, getting legal TVIP permits. I was on a fly and ride for 8 years. Last time entering Chuy, they were adamant on not letting it expire.
I exited Iñapari, going through migration first, they asked me how I entered country, since I was on a moto, and my passport was stamped arriving by air. I spent an hour explaining, eventually allowed to exit, sorry I don't know if Peru checked my Brazilian TVIP. But as you are aware most countries check previous exit TVIP's before allowing entry.
I understand if you are a Brazilian and running a Brazilian moto you chances of confiscation are minimal, but going through States and looking at all the confiscated motos, its different ballgame with a foreign passport and a Brazil moto, AND crossing borders.
All I am saying is, get legal. I understand you can run Brazil illegal and take a chance but really not worth the chance inspection.
Have you contacted a Honda dealer about taking it across borders? If you need additional info and help, let me know I have a good friend who has a shop in Belem.

Difficult but not impossible to buy a bike in Brazil
 

I have been going through the procedure a few years ago. It is possible but comes with its challenges, lol.

Check out the blog article I wrote and let me know if you have any questions: https://zenmotero.com/how-to-buy-a-motorbike-in-brazil/