INFO about Buy & Sell Bikes in Argentina.
 

Hi all
Too many folks are asking me about to buy or sell Bikes in Argentina, I compile all this info (part is from here) And I’m open to answer more questions. I guess!!!


It’s possible for a foreign people buy a bike register in Argentina?
Yes and No; It’s possible but it’s illegal leave the country until you have the bike whit you one year, sorry that’s what the law say!!!! Other ways exist but not to the right way!!!!
At the registers office tell me is possible for you to buy a bike register here, only need the passport and an address here. But you need to check very well the papers and the legal situation of the bike what you wants because not all the people has the paper in order here. But you have remembered that you can’t leave the country before one year.
If the plan is to make a round trip in Argentina whit out cross any border it’s well but if it isn’t the idea the only one possibility is to buy a bike to other traveler
Mika a fellow Traveler says:
“My girlfriend and me bought a bike in BsAs Argentina in 01.2002 and sold it after 23.000 km in Bogota Colombia. We bought a Honda XR200R Model 2000 in nearly new condition; the bike was made in Brazil. To find spare parts easier it would be good to buy a bike made in SA - and also it is easier to sell. One option is also to buy a bike from a traveller over the HUBB.
Paperwork: We registered the Honda in BsAs in my name - a nightmare of paperwork, but possible. But than we had problems to leave the country with the bike and had to make fake papers for the bike ... so, Argentina is not the best place to buy. ……
For more details email me direct
Mika Kuhn “
Maarten Munnik says:
“Hi,
Be very carefully and get info at customs BEFORE you buy anything.
As far as I know it is NOT allowed for a foreigner to leave Argentina with an in Argentina registered bike.
That would be a nasty surprise when you are at the border.
Maarten”

Actually I am selling my used bike to another
traveler. Is it still a problem then?


There is no problem to sell the bike to other foreigner traveler, but there are a couple of things to think about it:
When you come in to our country the custom give you a temporary importation with your name in the papers. They will put the info in the computer system or not (this is a third world country) when you try to cross a border they will check that the name in the bike’s papers were the same that the driver name. So if the new owner tries to cross by the same place as you come in, sure he will have problems. If he crosses by other border, the chance of problems is smaller. I know that there is a paper work that you could do in the custom in Bs As to transfer the temporary importation. A few months a go Simon Kennedy and Rachel do that when they sell her bike to Kate and Rob Preston. Put in contact with them to inquire more information.

I have found out that I also have to get a new
registration paper for the buyer of my bike, if he is to drive back to
Canada on it legally.???

About the registration I don't know how can you change the owner (if the bike is register in Canada) from here!!!!! Maybe if you put in contact whit the embassy they can help
you, is the only way I can think. To register a bike from other country in Argentina forgets
it!!! From so many years the imports of used bikes is close also if you
find the way you need to pay taxes for a lot of money. And if you can solve
that the new owner need to be an Argentine citizen or can't live the country
whit the bike in the first year!!!


[This message has been edited by javkap (edited 24 November 2004).]

When we went to the customs to talk over this matter the woman's face went red and she said "forbidden" and "impounded" a lot. I was quite worried they were going to come and take the bike. Only Rachel's pregnancy got us off the hook. Changing the import papers is not possible.

Anyone can buy a foreign registered bike (presumably) off other foreigners and change the papers in the country it was registered in. But as you say Javier, the problem is the Argentinian import papers.

The solution Rob and Kate found to this problem is to "lose" the import papers.

Rob and Kate went out of Argentina through a border at night-time when the guards weren't too bothered. There is no guarentee that this is repeatable.

So whoever buys a foriegn registered vehicle is taking a risk.

While we are talking of things Argentinian, note that the registered owner of the bike has to complete the exit papers when shipping out. This was very problematic for us. Again, only pregnancy saved us. Others might find this option a little too drastic.

Simon

Moto circulation in MERCOSUR countries
 

Wow, Vlades (a hubber) has posted on my similar (see stickies) thread some very helpful information IN ENGLISH from AFIP, the Argentine agency responsible for providing information regarding the following. Out of gratitude I have copied and posted here the data pertaining to this thread.

Or you can go to
AFIP - ADMINISTRACION FEDERAL DE INGRESOS PUBLICOS

as suggested by Vlades.

Well done Vlades. And a question for you. As I understand the Mercosur countries are Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay and Chile.

But, in some discussions I have had with 2 local vehicle insurance agencies, Bolivia and Chile are sometimes not considered Mercosur for insurance purposes, do you have any info on the countries AFIP defines as Mercosur?

The information directly from AfIP can be copied and carried along ( spanish version might be preferred) and exhibited to border officials and police.

Now for my attempt at additional interpretation:

1) note below the regulations are the same for "residents and tourists"

2) as a "tourist" you will need documents a) through f) (listed below) to circulate a motorcycle purchased in Argentina in the other MERCOSUR countries.

WHAT EXACTLY IS.... a) Valid identity to run in MERCOSUR countries?

I suppose it could be a foreign passport, my reasoning is that c) requires
"Document that certifies your tourist status by a migratory authority. "

Therefore, unless the tourist card for the country other than country of purchase of the motorcycle is referenced here, this might be interpreted to mean a "tourist" with passport would satisfy document requirements a) and c). This is exactly the question I posed to government officials here and have yet to receive a response.

3) as for the confusing requirement to "inscribe" title numbers on the windows of the vehicle, since motorcycles do not have windows, it is my opinion that the inscription of title numbers is not necessary for motorcycles.

If anyone can help interpret the following with actual experience regarding this issue, please post here and on my thread "Buy new or used in Argentina and legally tour all of South America" I hope this is helpful thanks xfiltrate


Vehicles circulation

VEHICLES REGIME - General Resolution No. 1419/03

Mr./ Mrs. Resident / Tourist,

If you plan to travel to countries belonging to the MERCOSUR, you must follow the current regulations (General Resolution No. 1419/03) to avoid delays or inconveniences. When vehicles duly registered in the MERCOSUR, whether cars, motorcycles, trailers, motor homes and boats circulate in a Country Party different from the one of the vehicle’s registration, the driver shall have the following documents:

a) Valid Identity Card to run in the MERCOSUR.
b) Driving license.
c) Document that certifies your tourist status by a migratory authority.
d) Authorization through a public instrument to drive the vehicle, in case its owner is not driving. In the case of vehicles for private use, they can be driven in each party country by the spouse or relatives of the owner, up to second degree of consanguinity, without the need of explicit authorization as long as they are tourists and the bond is evidenced with the pertinent documents. e) Title or other official document evidencing the vehicle’s proprietorship.
f) Valid insurance voucher within the MERCOSUR; before making any trip you should contact the Insurance Company.

WARNING:
“If it is a rented vehicle, the documents mentioned in items d), e) and f) shall be replaced by the Authorization to run in the MERCOSUR (ACM), granted by the leasing company."

The vehicles from the Argentine Republic registered before the Dirección Nacional de los Registros Nacionales de la Propiedad del Automotor y de Créditos Prendarios, shall have the title numbers recorded, at least, in the front and rear windshield, and, in those vehicles that have SIX (6) or more panes, in the biggest side panes . When the number of panes is fewer than SIX (6) the recording of numbers shall be made in all of them.

For further information:


Center of Telephonic Information: 0810-999-AFIP (2347)


Monday through Friday from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.
Customs counters located in the pre-boarding area.
Argentine diplomatic offices abroad.
AFIP - ADMINISTRACION FEDERAL DE INGRESOS PUBLICOS

Cell phones

Regarding the entry of mobile phones in the accompanied luggage, even when taxes must be paid or not, such entry must be made completing all fields under the forms OM-2087/G1 (Route by air or sea), and OM-2087/G2 (Route waterway or by land), which must be dully audited by the customs service

Muchas Gracias for the info Javier.
International vehicle sales are difficult in any Country and Argentina is no exception.
Every transaction has different circumstances, and the rules that are applied change often.
To do it legally you usually need a great amount of TIME, Patience, Money, Information, and Luck.
It is possible to buy and ride a bike in Argentina and out of the country IF you are lucky at the border.
It is also sometimes easier to buy a bike in Chile, Bolivia, Brazil, or Uruguay and simply ride it into Argentina.You have to do the research, and weigh the differences.

It is the season to head for Ushuaia, and I am sure there are lots of people that want bikes to follow the "Dakar" also.
Hope Dakar Moto's survives the rush and you still get time to see the race. (Is YOUR Africa Twin ready or are you using Sandra's bike?)
Thanks again for having the Best Moto Shop/Hostal south of the Equator.
Caio, Peter&Carol from Canada

Seling foregin bike in Argentina
 

Hi, i've managed to find person who wants to buy my bike in Salta. Do you guys know if I will have any problems leaving the country without d bike?
Thanks
PS: it's an Argentinian owner of a moto shop claiming that he has done it before.

selling in Salta
 

Hola Kybous,

first to answer your question: no, you should not have any problems leaving the country without your bike.

now a little bit of advise.

only believe the buyer if the money is in your hands and it is not fake.

suerte
mika

At one point it will come back to you if you trying to enter argentina again with a vehicle,as on system the vehicle has not exit out.Most borders are PC connected now.......:thumbdown:
Karl

Wow, this is the resurrection of a very old thread…
I’m really happy to see that even years after some people still searching for information and then ask for specifics questions!!!

Well maybe some information have changed after 9 years, I will try as soon can get some free time to make an update.

To the last question and as Karl explain you if your TVIP is made and print by a computer, all yours and your bike’s information is on Customs Systems now. Usually Customs and Immigration systems are not interconnected (yet) but could happens that one guy working beside the other ask for check details… (normally not).
Be sure that if later you want to come back to Argentina and bring other vehicle your old record with the none cancelation of your TVIP will popup and that will get you maybe in deep dodo…

I sold my Canaidan-plated Jeep in Argentina in 2011.

Overland Argentina Travel - WikiOverland has the info.

-Dan