[QUOTE=ta-rider;554501]Not necessarily if you just rent a bike for 5 Dollars per day in India, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia insted and use the public bus to cross boarders with Ａｄｖｅｎｔ&# xff55;ｒｅ motorcycle tour around the mae hong son loop

Well - dont wanna start a long and tiresome discussion about this issue but lets say that youre travelling from Europe to Australia/New Zealand or opposite. You can probably rent a 20 year old worn out 100 cc scooter in the countries you mentioned for the price you mention and have a lot of fun. But you will still need to ship your own bike over these troublesome countries and maybe pay for storage while youre riding small rentals in Thai, India, Laos etc.
So cheaper? Dont think so mate, and to compare humping around on a 20 year old worn out rental scootwr to riding your own well set up 650 cc isnt actually comparison at all.

But for travelling only in these countries flying in and rent a cheap bike sure can be a lot of fun and a doable and relative cheap option.

So you think a thai, lao, burmese or chinese citizen can just rock up at the german or Schengen border and shout let me in I dont need a visa!?

We are all extremely disappointed and pissed off by these new laws and regualtions in Thailand but theres no point being ridicilous...

I am also very upset about the new laws in Thailand.
But that is life and I just move on.

Que Sera, Sera

So true my Honda i rented in Thailand for just 5 Dollars a day was brand new same year model and had less then 9000 km on the clock but its better to rent older bikes because then little scratches dont matter so much ;)

Small bikes like this are way more fun riding the small roads in the jungle then any biger bike. Not talking about fuel economics and price per km.

If you want to travel from Europa to Australia without wasting money for shiping bikes and a carnet just buy a used bike in Europa were they are very cheap, ride to Moldavia or down to Mazedonia or Turkey, sell it there (if done it. It works), then follow this plan:

http://adventure-travel-experience.d...t=en_australia

Buying and selling vehicles is very common in Australia and Newzealand. Same in Europa if you want to travel the other way round ;)

(if you have)


Say No don't have?

One question that I have thought of is what would happen if you planned to visit and stay with friends in Thailand? And then fly the bike home. Would you still need a guide for all the time you spent there?

No shure not if you enter Thailand without a vehicle your a normal tourist like million and million others every year and can visit friends, get drunk on the beach or rent a bike without a guide and ride around thig beautifull landscape.

We're about to set off on a RTW trip too: the original plan was to fly from Melbourne to KL, ride through Thailand and Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar before flying to Africa.
Sorry to say that with the chaotic Thai representation here in Aus, we've given up and fly straight to Johannesburg next week. After that it's Argentina and much of S America.
We simply couldn't get a straight answer to info about the Thai permit system: US$500 and more for each bike is what some ex-pats are demanding, but no-one knows whether we need to have ALL our docs translated and approved before we go - the consulate says to phone Thai Tourism, who have no clue: "Just arrive at border, all sorted out there," and the Guide/Guard system is even more chaotic: it might work for organised tours, but for a pair of overland wanderers without a firm itinerary, it simply doesn't work. At $150 a day for just two people - why bother?
We'll get our SE Asia fix in Korea and Japan instead - countries which actually want tourism dollars. Hopefully at some future time, Thailand can be more welcoming to overlanders.

There have been very very many changes to whats neccesary to satisfy thai authorities in this case. The last I heard was valid translations of documents that showed you had paid roadtax and the that the yearly roadworthiness test has been done. Quite difficult to come up with that if one are from a country such a thing doesnt exist.
Anyhow - with all the changes and constantly new demands its understandable that not many persons know exactly what paperwork is required for a crossing through "The Land of Smiles"
The thai authorities have certainly made it clear that they give a fekkin shait about overland travellers.

Anyhow - starting in Australia I would very much consider going through Indonesia. The 3,5 months I spent there was certainly the highlight of my more than a year in SE-Asia. And then maybe ship to somewhere else from Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia, maybe Katmandu - Nepal?

New regulations December 30 2016
 

We have heard today that we will not get a permit to enter Thailand as we are a camper van. We were expecting this and now plan to ship to Indonesia from Cambodia. The Department for Land Transport have sent me a copy of the document detailing who is and who is not allowed in and the docs needed. I would like to put it on the Hubb and the face book forum, if it's not there already, but I don't have the IT skills to do it. Could anyone do it for me please? If you can, would you send me your email address and I will forward the document to you so you can put it on the HUBB and on the face book page please? Please email me if you want the info sooner it's sue@nworth.co.uk
Many thanks
Sue

Some up to date cost.

With the new Thai law (Thai DLT), requiring most foreign vehicles, to hire a licensed Thai tour company guide & their vehicle, plus permit, below are some costs for a quick transit through Thailand.


Costs include:

Permit for foreign vehicle under tour company license
Insurance
Tour company agent & vehicle
Agent & vehicle travel expenses either side of your Thailand entry/ exit
(If you have an international driving license issued under road regulation 1968, there will be additional costs as Thailand does not recognize this, you will need a Thai temporary tourist driving license, issued with the assistance of our tour company)



Mae Sot (Myanmar) - Sadao (Malaysia) - 3 days - 1 motorcycle - 48,000 Baht (3 days extra agent travel)


Chiang Khong (Laos) - Sadao (Malaysia) - 4 days - 1 car - 64,000 Baht


Aranyaprathet (Cambodia) - Mae Sot (Myanmar) - 3 days - 2 motorcycles - 55,000 Baht total for 2x motorcycles


Mae Sot (Myanmar) - Sadao (Malaysia) - 5 days - 1 car - 65,500 Baht




Does not include hotels or food.

Or you could just get an IDP under the 1949 Convention, been using mine here a while now.

Where is your source of info from for the prices, just curious?

Phil (Riders corner CM)

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Stuck in Malaysia!
 

We were planning on riding from Malaysia across Thailand to Cambodia and catch the bike meet in Pattaya on the 17th Feb on the way but it's sounding like that's going to be impossible now!
I don't suppose anyone else is riding from Malaysia to Myanmar in the next few weeks who wants to share a guide? We're two bikes.

The way i see it, the document says the guide only needs to be a Thai national and have a Thai registered vehicle. Says nothing about a registered tour company guide. I figure you could lodge the permit through any registered travel agent, then chase up your own local Thai person and pay him directly. Save$$$$$$