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Motorbike on russian trains
Hi, has anyone taken a bike on russian trains? i was thinking of doing so if possible from lake baikal to western russia.
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I quote from the website of someone who managed to put a bike on the train in 2009.
"There's 2 ways to do this, the official way, where you buy a ticket, & crate the bike & send it via freight. Or the 'other' way, where you go to the docks, & try to bribe your way onto a train with the bike." motosapiens.org; View topic - 08-03 Chita, Russia The 'other' way is probably easier in a smaller city... |
Try Nath
he put his bike on a train this year from Krasnoyarsk to Moscow
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Don't even bother 'officially' enquiring via the railway company, all you can get is stupidly slow container transport.
Railway workers advised us that it's possible to stick motorcycles on the post trains, but we needed to go to a different station and we never did, so I can't advise on how easy/expensive that is. My bike went from Krasnoyarsk (1000km west of Irkutsk) to Moscow, around 4000km journey. It was with a small rail frieght firm, that only transported stuff between those two cities. A contact Colebatch put us in touch with took us to the railyard and helped arrange it - Bike was sent as 115kgs of 'autoparts'. Cost was so little it was basically free. Even if you sent your bike as more weight I think it'd still work out cheap. Colebatch's friend Dima was very helpful, he seemed pleased to be helping other motorcyclists and proud to show us his home city. |
seems that it is deff possible, cheers guys
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http://www.gruzovozoff.ru Æåëäîðýêñïåäèöèÿ : Æåëåçíîäîðîæíûå ïåðåâîçêè ãðóçîâ : Ãëàâíàÿ bike delivery across whole Russia wil cost about 150-300Euro (depends on weight and size) and take up to 2 weeks. But if you decide to take a train by yourself it is way cheaper to put a bike to special cargo wagon (within same train) for 10-20% of this amount. |
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from vladivostok to moscow time is 9-10 days for 8000 rubles (250EUR). from moscow to vladivostok it's about 2 weeks and 12000 rubles (380EUR) i don't know why!:) |
Kostya
Do you know anything about shipping cars on the trains from Vladivostok? I'm guessing it's possible as freight maybe? |
Ship by train - where to?
Why ship (train)?
It's tarmac 99% of the way to the west using the Trans Siberian Highway - and the unsealed 1% is fully graded and ready for final surfacing when the warmer weather comes. The present subzero temperatures will keep it solid until then. The biggest problem driving a car would be the abject boredom for almost 2 weeks to Moscow. Then there is another 4-5 days driving to London (or Brittany;-)) ) - although I have ridden it twice in under 3 days, once more in just over. |
Well partly I was asking for Mike as he asked in THIS post. I guess the reason to ship, or ship back is to avoid the abject boredom, and the retracing your steps. Better to spend longer getting there, exploring on the way, and then let the train take the strain getting back I reckon.
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Alex
Sorry, not seen that thread brefore. I was just out of Vlad to Vanino and fighting the BAM road back to Siberia at the time! But he says he is not too concerned about getting the vehicle back - just donating to someone who can deal with the paperwork - presumably of abandoning it. I can put him in touch with people out there who could work out a deal. Mike, PM me. Or Alex, you have my Email. |
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last time i heared about condition of transsiberian highway from Chernyahovsk (near Chita) to Svobodny (near Birobidzhan) was this august. 99% tarmac - is not true. it was most problem part of highway. and you know, this part is not interesting - only taiga around :) But , if you want to make a trip continuosly without a brake will be better go by youself all distance, beacouse you'll need to wait a car in any cities (train of autotrack with your car). and, it's not so difficult. and big "bird" in your life:) will be glad to help. |
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They managed the booking for us and the bikes and everything worked OK. The bikes where in the same train in such beautiful transportboxes they build at the station: Mongoleiour Photo # 330 :thumbup1: Andreas |
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Andreas,
Thanks for the information. How much was the charge for sending motorcycles from Irkutsk to Moskow? Quote:
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160 kg restriction?
I just heard that there is a new restriction to the weight of the bike - max 160 kg. Does anybody know about that or did someone ship very recently (considering the weather probably not). I´m planing to ship back from irkutsk to moscow too. Any infos highly appreciated.
Happy travels Mike |
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Even if you do ship it as "a motorcycle", just say it weighs 155 kgs even if it weighs 220. Issues like these in Russia are non-issues. Its not like Germany. There are a million ways around them. You just have to be creative. |
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we paid 163EUR for each bike (Triumph Tiger and KTM 990) and 645EUR/person for the 1.class tickets. Plus around 200EUR at the station for the nice transportboxes. 1.class means that we had a 2-person compartment. 2.class will be 4 persons (half price) and 3.class where six persons without a door (the cheapest). If you buy the ticket at the station it will become cheaper, but in this case I think you need a least one with perfect russia-speaking. Just as Info: Transportcosts from Moskau to Irkutsk are much more expensive, because there is more material taking the direction to east. Andreas |
Привет, тёзка :)
чего-то я не пойму проблеммы.. приходишь на вокзал..Казанский в Мск например.. заполняешь бумажек, взвешиваешь мот, сливаешь из него бензин(ну или даешь мелких денег весовщице- ибо как не сливай- пахнуть будет все равно), ставишь в вагон и привязываешь веревкой к борту, проложив борт картонными коробками чтоб не царапало. Садишься в поезд и едешь. Ну или звонишь встречающим. я так уезжал. Через Ташкент. Кажется, тут есть : d1photo: ТЕСТ_ТЕСТ_ТЕС ¢ :) А, да! :)) Еще денег платишь- меньше чем билет процентов на 20. Позвони на вокзал-то? ээ..если конечно ты в РФ :) |
2wks on a train :eek3:
How many miles riding is it moscow -vlad, on the tran sib.? |
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Thanks Walt., a mine of use.... info. again.:D:D:D
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we need to travel from Moscow to Novosibirsk this summer, with the bikes in the train (not enough time to do it on road; we want to travel via Mongolia and Siberia). I've read this topic but didn't found something concrete. We have a phone number of a guy from Moscow, but it's not a mobile and it's very hard to find, he doesn't know English, we don't know Russian, etc (we try to arrange this since more than 1 month, even sent him a fax). So, does anyone know something concrete of how can we do this? Thanks Cristian |
Post #13 has a link to a company which arranged it for someone, they said it went fine, have you checked that out?
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what's your arrival date? we'll no problem provide you some help and load the bike onto the train.
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Russian trains are not fast - freight trains less so. Riding 12+ hours a day it is about 4 days. Fuel & night time beer is cheap $0.80/Litre. Motels $50-$60 a twin room. Shashlik (out staple diet!) $3. |
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Anyone got the contact for Dima?
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In case anyone else stumbles across this old thread, here is my most recent experience.
Baikal Complex (linked above) were zero help. I put my bike on the russian post train from Irkutsk to Moscow today. Had loads of help from Alexei, aka Monster. He won't mind me passing his details on. I'm taking the TranSiberian train in a couple of days. Always planned to do this, just don't fancy the boring ride west over the same highway. Heard lots of good things from other travelers about the train journey. Plus, I wiped out the other day on some wet tram tracks, so I fancy a few days resting up. Anyway here's his details: +7 950 0844465 mrmonster[at]mail[dot]ru Sorry, but it seems that Alexei can no longer be reached on these contact details, and as we didn't stay in touch, I have no other way of contacting him. He's a biker and a top bloke! He's helped peeps in the past and he apparently knows RTWDoug from his time here a few years ago. http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/...a/IMG_1458.jpg Had to do it officially, I don't think its possible to do it unofficially anymore, at least not here, maybe at another smaller station. I tried to do it Doug style... It cost me 200 roubles for every 10kg, not inc crate building and loading/unloading by the dock guys, which was 3000 roubles. I paid 9400 roubles all in (£180). Unloaded bike (F8GS) was 233kg (inc 1/2 tank fuel), luggage (inc TT Zega boxes) was 43kg. Got charged for 300kg (that included the crate). Your supposed to drain the fuel but the dock guys said don't bother, as long as you keep it schtum, they know your f@$ked at the other end if you do. Will probably need to pay the dock guys in Moscow to unload and dispose of crate. Hope this helps someone. It's not an adventure if you don't have to crate the bike at least once, LOL. Steve bier |
bob66, you can as well send the bikes from Germany directly to Ulan Bataar by truck. I will do it next summer to ride the road of bones.
it costs about 1100 euro one way, here is the contact. Say that David Zimmermann gave you the contact, I already had a few emails with this guy, very helpful. Andreas König Pan Europa Transport (Süd) GmbH Bietigheimer Str. 62 71732 Tamm Tel: +49 7141 97487 35 Fax: +49 7141 97487 29 www.pan-europa.de |
We put our bikes on the train from Omsk to Ulan Ude this summer. Easy as too. Just rocked up at Omsk railway station, found the help desk, told them what we wanted to do, and it was fine. No bookings, no hassle and it was 'official' too. Cost about £78.00 for both bikes. They went on a freight train the next day whilst we went on the passenger version, and much to our surprise ( and delight) they arrived just two hours after we did, and just like the man said. Neither of us speak Russian either, but the whole thing was very easy. :thumbup1:
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Make sure you know all the requirements for freighting (rather than riding yourself across a land border) that Mongolia Customs put in your way. You'll require an ATA Carnet (not a Carnet de Passage). One of the stipulations is, if it's a motor vehicle, it cannot be used on a public road!:funmeterno: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...t-carnet-58804 I freighted my bike this year to Almaty and the bike is now parked in UB, Mongolia. In early/mid July next year I'll be heading for Magadan. What are your plans. Maybe PM me or send an email (address in my website). cheers Chris |
Hi Chris,
very strange what you tell me about the fact that it is not allowed to be driven on public roads? I already was in Mongolia in 2011 and I really wonder if anybody is caring for that. I think I even never saw a policeman. My plan is to start my journey in UB mid/end july 2013 and ride to Magadan trought the old summer road. Then Probably trying to sell the bike in Vladivostok or ride back to UB and sell it there... or ship it home, not sure yet... I will contact you per email zimiontheloose.ch | Rock'n'roll Motorcycle Adventure! |
Since last year the London Chamber of Commerce has changed their wording for issuing ATA Carnets. It is now even more unambigous:
The London Chamber of Commerce A carnet may not be used for:
I received your email, thanks. I will reply, but I'm flying tomorrow morning back to the UK and then at work on Monday where I'll be real busy for a couple of weeks. So I might not have time to chat right away. Things will settle down though, I hope. |
As I've had a couple of follow-up questions, thought I might share the info here.
If you want some assistance sorting out yourbike shipping and ticket purchase just send Alexei an email, he's a lovely guy, I'm sure he'll help you out. His details are here. Sorry, but it seems that Alexei can no longer be reached on these contact details, and as we didn't stay in touch, I have no other way of contacting him. It took a couple of days after I arrived in Moscow for the post train to arrive. Finding the place to collect it was a nightmare: I didn't speak Russian, they didn't speak English and the women have no interest in helping you they just want to get rid of you. I stayed at at the Chillax Hostel, not far from the station, you could easily walk it or get the Metro, which is only a couple of stops. I eventually found it though, its a bit out of the way: about a mile from the main Yaroslavsky station. The GPS co-ordinates of the cargo depot are 55.782652, 37.655773 the depot entrance is at the end of 'Krasnosel'skiy tupik' here is the google map link. There's a couple of great guys there that will help you. Here's a street view of the place: http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/...Russia/1-3.jpg |
stephen, thanks for the info, that's helpful, even for someone living in Moscow.
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BTW: they didn't charge me to unload the bike in Moscow or dispose of the crate/frame. Don't know if they simply forgot, but was chuffed not have to pay more. My bike was actually 1 of 4 on the train, there were 3 Swiss KTMs to keep my girl company.
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www.jde.ru -delivery of freights by rail
www.pecom.ru -delivery of freights by truks On a site there is on-line calculator of calculation prices |
I was trying to get Contact with Baikalcomplex.
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At the moment I still dont know i i drive back home to vienna all the way from UB ore take the train to moscow. If i take the train to moscow, i would go from moscow over Lithuania and Latvia back home. Which seems also interesting. Lets see, if i dont find a transport, i will drive and haver fun too |
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i wrote an email to mrmonster
now waiting if i get information THX |
Stephen, thanks but:
mail = no answer phone is not working... So Alexei is either on holiday or no longer available... Anyway, did it all by myself officially, and will make a new post about this in a few hours with pictures and coordinates on how to do it from Irkutsk going West or East. |
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