Mongolia map
 

Hi all,
we've just releasing a new guidebook about Mongolia, and although it is in French only, we're giving away a full-scale map of the country with the majors roads and landmarks.

In our experience there isn't a good map about Mongolia, all are pretty much wrong half of the place. This one may not be much better but it's free (as in free beer). So you can download it, print it, etc.. but do not modify it and please do not upload it to other websites. It's based mostly on our own experience, but also other's and OpenStreetMap as well.

Yes, you can find the same data in OpenStreetMap, but it's not easy to print and doesn't give a good sense of hierarchy. Indeed, the digital maps made out of it (think maps.me, OruxMaps, etc.. ) are difficult to use because you have to zoom in a lot to see some otherwise important tracks. Why ? because any unsurfaced road could be tagged as a "primary road", a "secondary road", a "track" or a random "road", depending on the contributor's mood, but the result is that they show at very different zoom levels. The scheme is well tuned for western countries, but doesn't quite work in Mongolia.

Note: there are thousands of tracks in Mongolia that could qualify as roads, or not, depending on how you look at it. So all maps are very subjective, including this one. But I believe it can be very useful, particularly in the early stages of planning, to get the full picture. The landmarks correspond to the selection of itineraries described in our book, so they're far from exhaustive.

Of course, all feedback and corrections are welcome, I'd like to keep it current and improve on it, as a lot of road building is happening right now in Mongolia.

Enjoy !

Laurent + Cécile

https://www.overlandaventure.com/wp-...enture-low.jpg

Sorry I can't upload it here as an attachment as it's too big - even with low-res terrain.
The PDF map can be downloaded here: https://www.overlandaventure.com/categorie-produit/maps/
And for those who get along with French, our guidebook can be ordered here: Overland Aventure

Last year is was in Mongolia and have marked quite a lot of things. Shops. Bathhouses. General stuff. They are not in osm yet. Interested to have them?

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lbendel;

You are correct in that maps that are configured for world use (OSM, Garmin, TomTom etc) render for those congested parts of the world .. thus render well in Europe, USA ... but are poor in less well populated/developed parts. It has been noted within the OSM community and people are thinking about it. There are also the 'Tracks for Australia' and 'Tracks for Africa' maps that do a good job of bringing adventure tracks to prominence on the map. My thought are that the rendering should take into account the number of things rendered per unit area and increase it where there is little rendered.

Oh, 'unsurfaced' is 'unpaved'.

Blommetje:

Put them into OSM and everyone then has access to them.


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I would like to make 'Adventure' maps - bringing to prominence World Heritage Areas, National Parks, camp sites, roads and tracks where major highways don't exist ... and fuel stations where there are long distances between them. But there are lots of 'thinks to do'...

Thanks. I think any more waypoints would clutter the map. Walter (Colebatch) is maintaining a database of useful waypoints (see sticky post), it would fit better there. Or, as mentioned, add it to OSM, but the problem with OSM is, once a feature is added it's often not updated. Maintenance is a big issue in OSM.

Also, as discussed in that thread, there is now fuel in most towns, so it becomes less important to mark them. My mongolian map has fuel icons almost everywhere, and it's not far from the truth. OTOH, if you have wp for bathhouses, that would be a nice addition to Walter's list as they are often unmarked and difficult to find - unlike petrol stations.

Although if you really want to blend in with the locals you shouldn't worry too much about bathhouses :innocent:

Laurent

Please see Northern Asia Waypoints file .... and send them in. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...aypoints-50860

V2.0
 

Well, it's been one year already and many of you have downloaded this map. But my last visit there dates from 2 years back and lots of things have changed in Mongolia in the meantime.

I'd like to keep it up-to-date, with the help of you guys. Many are preparing to visit Mongolia in 2017 and I would like to get recent updates. E.g. I know that they've now surfaced the south road between Altaï and Bayankhongor.

Of course there are thousands of miles of tracks that don't appear on this general map, the idea is to keep only the main roads. But it would be useful to know when a road is being worked on, the surface type, etc..

Ideally, we would find all of this in openstreetmap, but the fact is, it's not very consistent and not updated very often. I've done quite a bit of editing already as I came across errors but it's a long shot.

So if you send it to me, I'll include it in the (always free) printable map and edit the correspnding data in openstreetmap (if not done already). If a new road is being built, I'd need the GPS tracks; if it's being surfaced, the current end of the roadwork; etc.. of course all of this would need to be sharable to the openstreetmap community, so no copyright stuff from Google/Yandex or such (as if Google was of any help in Mongolia..)

I don't think I'll add to the map all the POIs that are being shared, such as hotels and ATMs, that would clutter it too much. Petrol stations are now pretty frequent so I don't think it's so important anymore to mark them. New border posts or restrited area checkpoints are welcome. As are any suggestion ofr improvement, of course.

A v2.0 would come this fall with all the contributions from this summer.

Cheers,
Laurent

Are you sure about the Altaï-Bayankhongor road? I thought only the first 120 km were paved. At least it was in October 2016. See To Mongolia: The Mongolian Road Network

I am interested because we plan to do the southern road this summer on a small 2WD car (not with the Mongol Rally), so I am a bit insecure about making 300km of gravel/sand/washboard.

Thanks,
Josephine

Last year, at July, there were some sections very close to be finished between Altaï-Bayankhongor.

Passing through this year.
 

Thanks for the map! bier I'm sure it'll come in handy.

We're hoping to cross Mongolia this summer. I don't know how to update the map I've downloaded but I'll make notes on paper and maybe send them to you.

Lee n Veronika

I put my map notes on the map - keeps them all together.
Your changes might made directly into OSM if you join - free and easy.

Thousands of 2WD cars do the Southern Route every year.

You will be fine

Dudes,
an update of this maps is way overdue. I'd like to get some feedback from you if you've been in Mongolia lately. Specifically, what is the progress of the surfacing on the South and Middle road. I guess most of the work is going toward those roads, but any input or correction is welcome too. GPS tracks welcome if it helps.

I'll gather your inputs and put together a V2 of the above, would be great for all of us. And I'll update OSM as well in case it's not up to date with the new info.

Thanks all and I hope many of us will visit Mongolia in 2019 !

Laurent

Hi Laurant, didnt know that you offered this map, we went through Mongolia last August.
I knew about your book and didnt buy it because my French is mediocre, but I saw it with French travellers and decided to have a peak because your book is one of the few describing the tracks in and sights in Zavkhan / Khar Nuur area, that was great!
One small note there is that the last part of the road up to the center of the Khar Lake, where the sand dunes go into the water, is now blocked by some wooden poles, it is a protection area for a specific type of birds. This place:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zH4Wj
We were still able to find a random way accross the sand dunes, or you could just stop earlier if you want to camp at the coast line.

Regarding the roads. Olgi to Hovd has a lot of parts with construction work but it is looking promising. Maybe next year most of it is finished, maybe not. But what was finished was really good.

From Ulaanbataar south to Gobi desert is now asphalt up to Bayandali! The rest of the sights in the Gobi are reached by tracks, probably how it has been for years. But rainfall made some cuts in the tracks. You can still pass all of them, just some have more erosion.

2015, 2017 and 2018

Middle/Southern route:

UB to Kharkhorin all paved, Kharkhorin to Tstertseleg and Tosontsengel mostly paved, some small construction with maybe 30km detour, but this is mud when it rains.

After Tosontsengel maybe 30km offroad and from Telmen to Uliastay the last 50km offroad but motly prepared to be paved. But lot of potholes in this section.

Uliastay to Altai offroad, but good to drive.

Altai to Khovd paved, only minor detours from construction.

Khovd to Olgii first 50km paved, then 60km construction with detours ( bit sandy sometimes ) rest asphalt.

Olgii to border half paved, half gravel, but good to drive.

Northern route:

UB to Darkhan and Moron: all paved.
Moron to Khuvgul paved.

After Moron to Ulangom in 2015 only gravel, sand and mud tracks.
After Moron parts have been under construction for asphalt, maybe there is some progress already

Around Ulangom to Khovd a road with parts of asphalt.

Ulangom to Olgii or Tashanta:
Offroad, and depending on the track sometimes tricky.

@Lovetheworld thanks! Yeah, it's a pity you can't go bivouac on the sand near the lake Khar but I can understand it would quickly get out of hands o good for them.

Ok, so they finished the road Dalanzadgad to Bayandalaï, good to know.

@klausmong1 thanks, so not much changed wrt to what's on the map, except for Altaï - Khovd which is finished and some progress from Khovd toward Tolbo (did they reach the pass yet ?)

Does anyone know if the Altaï - Bayankhongor is now paved ? and what about the Ulaangom - Songino road, they were pretty busy in 2015 on that stretch ?

Also, anybody been to Choibalsan, any new asphalt laid down out there ?

Thanks all,
Laurent

If I remember correct, the Buraat pass is now paved ( or shortly before being paved ). I remember it lost a lot of its nice overview .
It definitely has a new track and not the old one I did in 2013


From what I heard from Caravan travellers, They did a lot of offroad from Ulaanbaatar to Altai on the southern road, but I do not know which stretches.

A lot of construction still between Khovd an Tolbo in 2018

Mongolia OSM
 

Hi Laurent,

we wanted to go Mongolia in 2019 and looking for the latest and greatest OSM maps including as much infos as possible. Can you share such download link if available?

Thanks in advance and cheers,

Holger

google is your friend

Free worldwide Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap

Personally i think it is always ok if you want something and you are new to find a few nice words of Introduction instead of coming in and just ask for a favour.

But maybe I am old fashioned.

Dear Klausmong1, very sorry but I wasn`t aware of any introduction side but on the other hand I agree with you and would take the chance by now together with a big thank you for your link,

I am an 45 years old (young) German, living in Switzerland and ride bikes since child and now looking to extend my horizon in terms of visiting none-European countries on bike.

Very sorry again for any inconvenience raised and wish you a wonderful day.

Cheers, Holger

Gruezi Holger,
if you have a Garmin unit, than follow Klaus link (it is often overloaded, so try again later if it doesn't work).


If you're more of a smartphone user, maps.me does a decent job, and it's free (although with ads nowadays), but there is also Galileo, OsmAnd, PocketNavigator, etc.


Don't ever use Google Maps in Mongolia, it's hopelessly wrong.


Tschüss,

Laurent

I agree !!!!!

doh :rofl: doh :rofl: doh :rofl: doh :rofl: doh
Hello

(sarcasm on)
If you'd like to get informations from other travelling bikers it is mandatory to first introduce yourself in the right section of the HUBB:
Welcome to HU - Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB

Otherwise you might get barked at again by some user, who will check first if there was made the mandatory introduction, but can't find it because now you made your introduction in a thread about mongolian maps.
(sarcasm off)

Sorry for that unfriendly welcome, 99.9% of the rest of us, here at the HUBB, don't bark at you if you make a tiny mistake.
Usually just nice folks here.

Welcome to the HUBB
sushi

doh :rofl: doh :rofl: doh :rofl: doh :rofl: doh

Well, I did not bark at him.

It is just getting a normal thing that a lot of new users come into a forum, and just ask for help and often don't even say thank you.

This is why I mentioned that, because I think it is an act of friendliness to just say a few words about yourself too, just as in real life if you meet someone and want to ask something.

And if you look correct, you will also see that I did post a link with useful information.

Where was your useful information about the topic?

or did you just want to point at someone with no help to the one who asked ?

Hello

This is a good and valid answer. :thumbup1:
Short, simple, helpful, nothing more to say.

While this is just unnecessary barking at a new member of the HUBB. doh
This is the HUBB, a forum where travellers share their knowledge with other travellers.
Trips from a few weeks to several years, nobody cares, there is no hierarchy.
Most travel by motorbike, some by 4wd and a few even by bicycle.

This forum is huge:
Threads: 80,601, Posts: 537,726, Users: 67,617
Currently Active Users: 3730 (315 Users and/or Members and 3415 guests)

Who cares if a new member hasn't introduced himself in the welcome section.
If a question is unclear, there will be few/no answers, so what.

If you feel a question is not worthy your time...
Don't answer!

But please don't bark at them.
Sharing is the purpose of this forum.

sushi

it was not about the welcome section, If I see that someone asks in his 1st post something without just telling a little bit about him I consider this a little unfriendly.

This is something what bothers me in the internet, everybody wants information but does not want to say a proper hollo.

And yes, you are right, sharing is the purpose here.
And this is for both sides.

I was sharing information and asking for some "Hello" in the first post.

And to be honest, it was you starting to bark around and make a big deal out of it

And you are also right, I will not answer in the future and help people if I think it is not worth it.
And this is because of your stupid answer here.

Still for the protocol:
I did give information for the one who asked, I just wanted him to show some respect too.

And then you came up with making a big deal out of it.

In the future in similar situations, I will keep my feet still and dont answer anymore.

Is that now good for you?

This forum is to big to work with introductions. Maybe it was his first post without introduction, or maybe he did write an introduction and I did not read it. Because there are 67,617 members on this forum of which 3828 are active right now. I don't know any of this people, and will never read their introduction. Yet, if they ask something that I know, I will answer their question. Just like you.

I surely hope that nobody will introduce himself in topics that are not started by that person or not about that person. Because that would just be off-topic and make a mess.

The second thing is that I do not feel like you should treat somebody differently because his postcount is only 1.

We have this gathering of travellers each year on a campsite, just very small and informal, but there are usually a few new faces everytime. If I come walking into a conversation at the bbq or whatever, and I don't know everybody yet, I will just try to add any information that I can to help people on the road.

I believe you would do that too Klaus.