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Kyrgyzstan to Europe 2015 - Last minute
G'day,
I'm just quickly gonna introduce myself. My name is Till, born in '92, and I left my home (Germany), Family and bikes(2x yamaha Sr500, Yamaha XJ650, Suzuki GSX 750 F) in 2012. Since then I've travelled heaps, spend a lot of time on a Honda Degree 250 riding around SE-Asia and then took off to explore down under on a Suzuki Dr650SE and later on “upgraded” to a Harley Davidson Sportster. I just recently left Australia because my Travel and Work visa ran out, looking forward to a 8months trip starting in Nepal where I was planning on purchasing a Royal Enfield and ride her home. Unfortunately two days after I arrived in Nepal the earthquake that most of you probably heard of hit Nepal. I was in Thamel, Kathmandu and thanks to whoever gods out there I survived. The last week has been devastating and it took a few days to continue and carry on with Life, eventually realising this trip I had planned for about a year is nearly impossible to go through with at the moment. (If anyone is interested in reading about this day and how it feels and looks like to be in an Earthquake here is a link, hope it works. https://www.facebook.com/till.bachme...00000686899395 So when I'm not helping out loading trucks with supplies I am trying to figure out alternative routes and what would be the smartest move at the moment. I had a job opportunity coming up in July/August so I won’t be staying away from home for another 8 months, reducing the amount of time left to a third. I am not ready to head back home yet, this would be too much of a shock to the system and theres nothing for me to do anyway - So I am considering either staying here and try to help out which is fairly hard at the moment for foreigners as the army here is not letting anyone into the remote areas or my second option - hitting the road and going on most likely my last adventure before University. Some might think I”m not considering enough time - Motorbikes are my favourite way of getting around and even not experiencing all the countries along the way is worth the ride. As my whole trip was based on the thought of riding a Royal Enfield back home, the starting point was obviously Nepal. I knew there were a few countries on the way that could have been an Issue, but to be honest, I never expected Nepal to give me head-and heartache. So I recently came to the conclusion that Kyrgyzstan might be the best available option. Purchasing a Ural with sidecar should be possible, if anyone out there has any information on availability and current prices please let me know! For now I have 2 routes figured out. Route 1 : Kyrgyzstan - Kazakhstan - caspian sea by ferry - Azerbaijan and then either into Georgia or straight to Turkey crossing at Nakhichevan/Dilucu. Route 2 : Kyrgyzstan - Uzbekistan ( to obtain transit visa for russia ?), Kazakhstan - around the caspian sea through russia - Georgia - Turkey. one of my biggest concerns are getting visas on the road, as I can't just go back to Germany, so Im trying to find a way to get around all those countries. By the looks of it, Kyrgyzstan is not a problem, visa free for 60days. I was told by Advantour that Kazakhstan shouldn't be a problem either, I might even get a visa granted without LOI at the Kazakhstan embassy in Bishek. But the more I read into it it looks like it would be the smarter choice to miss out on the ferry to Baku, as well as Azerbaijan.72hrs to transit sounds possible, but I'm not too keen on riding with such a time pressure on an old bike). So going around the caspian sea is more and more tempting. Does anyone have informations about obtaining a transit visa for russia on the road? Someone mentioned stantours and that it should be possible to get it granted in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. Any recent experiences from fellow travellers? Again, Im travelling with a german passport. Do you know of any other way or place where I could get a russian transit visa granted? after Georgia ( visa online) I shouldn't have any further problems crossing borders, please correct me if I'm wrong. Ive spent hours researching and I came along so many informations, so I just thought I put this post out and if anyone has some spare time Id really appreciate any input -time and even Internet access is short here in Nepal.. And of course basic questions like how much in fuel cost do I have to expect, anyone out the with a summary of all visa and custom costs? those are facts i will be able to find out otherwise, but If you”re already reading this and have knowledge about this, again, I’d appreciate it. Thanks heaps, Till |
You can get Urals at about $1000 when i last looked, also alot of cheap China bikes about now.
You can also pick up cheap Lada 4x4 ect ect My mate in Bishkek just helped out a UK couple in buying a 4x4 who are now heading down to the Pamir. You would need some kind of ownership papers for crossing borders so for this you really need local help, my mate in Bishkek knows all legal issues regarding buying a bike/car and heading off. He is also a biker so knows the local market I added you on FB so will put you in touch with him |
I think you need a tourist rather than a transit visa for Russia; in any event, I'm not saying its impossible, but I've never heard of anyone getting a transit visa for Russia. Not sure if you can get a tourist visa on the road; US citizens can but I'm not sure about Germans.
And personally I would drop the idea of the Ural; whatever you find will probably be beat to hell, and my understanding is that riding a sidecar can be a bit tricky, and you might not want to be learning the ropes in the mountains of Kirgizstan. |
In 2011 I was in Central Asia and trying for transit visas (UK passport).
In Tashkent I was refused, just 'no'. In Bishkek I was able to apply, but then told my dates were too far in advance. Eventually I got a ten day transit visa on the spot in Oral (Urask) in Kazakhstan. Officially you can only get the Russia tourist visa in a country where you have the right to reside, but there are exceptions (I got a 1 year visa in Tehran with no fuss for example). But the Russian embassies in Central Asia are in general not good to deal with. Going through Azerbaijan is fine, I don't think the penalties are high for overstaying the 72 hours (I remember a $20ish fine reported by someone... have a search). But note that the Sadarak / Dilucu border is in the exclave of Nakhchivan, and is not accessible directly from 'mainland' Azerbaijan. Good luck EO |
Hello Till,
I think the route Kyrgyzstan-Kazakhstan-(Ferry)-Azerbaijan-Georgia is easiest for a spontanuous travel, because: Kyrgyzstan: No visa neccessary Kazakhstan: No visa neccessary for a visit up to 15 days (up until the 15th of July). You can also find this information on the homepage of their embassy in germany: VISUM 15 days however, might be somewhat tight, so that if you have an easy opportunity to get a proper tourist visa (valid longer), that probably would be the better solution Azerbaijan: evisa, which can be obtained without sending or bringing your passport anywhere. You just have to send in a copy of a passport, a picture, the application form and a hotel booking conformation per email(!). I recommend Azerbaijan travel agency as besides just getting the visa they also helped us out with the hotel conformation (as we have none in advance as individual travellers). They were very friendly and replied immediately when we had questions about the Azerbaijan visa. This way you dont have to rush in 72 hours. Georgia: No visa necessary as well, for example stated here: GEORGIEN Visum Einreise Papiere erforderliche Impfungen I cannot tell too much about the Russian visa, but I heard that an overland transit visa is difficult to obtain (also it means again: rushing). Tourist visa is possible I guess, but I dont think neccessarily without struggle. So if I were you I would prefer the ferry. I would not skip on Georgia as I heard again and again and again that it is the most beautiful country of the Caucasus :) Hope that helped. Kind Regards, Saskia (also from Germany :) ) |
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I was told by AZ Customs last year that with a 30 day visa, a vehicle can stay up to 30 days in the country, but I have not heard of anyone who has done this. Also, I think an evisa is valid for only 21 days, so to get 30 you would need to go for a full tourist visa, which requires a letter of invitation (though I managed to get one last week in the Hague with just an applciaiton form... a lucky mistake perhaps). I would definitely recommend Russia however; Derbent is probably the most charming city in the Caucasus, though Tbilisi is also nice. EO |
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Cars can be imported up to 30 days into the country without having to pay deposit. However, motorcycles are for some reason excluded from this rule. So those people contacted the Azerbaijan customs and they told them if they exceeded the 72 hours they would just have to pay a 20-30 dollar fee when exiting the country, so apparently they actually recommended just overstaying the 72 hours. But when they actually arrived at the border, the customs did not blink an eye apparently and just issued their motorcycles the amount of days that their visa was valid. I will see if I can find that post again. For the length of the evisa: You can apply for a certain date and a certain amount of time that you would like to visit. Within 30 days from the date of issue, you can spend your amount of days your visa is issued (maximum of course 30 days). I got this information directly from azerbaijan24 which is one of the authorized travelling agencies through which visa have to be issued. I never read about 21 days. However, if you stay longer than 10 days, you have to register through a hotel or something similar I think. So maybe for our trip we will also have to do more research on how likely it is that we can stay longer than 72 hours with the motorcycle. As we enter from Georgia and leave via ferry, we also thought about just going to Baku within the 72 hours and putting the bikes in the customs somehow until the ferry actually leaves. |
I'll be starting a similar trip in August. Start in Mongolia, cross the caspian sea and then into Europe through Turkey. If your time frame is similar and you want company for part of the journey, send me a PM.
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Thanks! I got my bike. Looking for mechanic in bishkek
I just want to quickly thank everyone here for supplying me with information, really helped me out in a troubled time.
A week ago I arrived in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan and quickly started looking for an Ural sidecar. There were some people mentioning the unreliability of those bikes and some were doubting Id find one i a good shape. Wez hooked me up with Sergei who is a local here and we had contact even before I left Nepal. He started looking for Urals for me, even though he reckons I should buy one of those chinese bikes. But I already set my mind on riding back home on a Ural and honestly, I don't trust those chinese bikes more than I trust the Ural. At least for the Ural it should be easy to find cheap parts along the way and they're fairly easy to fix. So we went out and started looking for them - turns out there is not too many around. I ended up in some dodgy backyards where I was shown half assembled Urals and other bikes - always promised that the engine has been just rebuild, so new Cylinders, pistons etc. One can say a lot on a long day, and I don't doubt they had been rebuild. But just not in the past 5 years or its equivalent of 20thousand kilometres. In the end there was only one bike available and it was about 100km out of Bishkek. We called the guy but he reckoned he already had another client who was keen on buying it. We weren't sure if he's just playing mind games to rise the price or if he was for real, so we waited until the next morning to let him know we're coming out there to inspect the bike.. He then told us he's pretty much on his way to bishkek, because the other client ( who turned out to be real) wanted the bike and would pay him the asked price of 700 USD. So there we were, the only bike available at the moment is slipping through my hands just like that. So I outbid him and ended up paying 800USD ( Im broke, but 100 bucks more or less, who cares.) The bike is in a reasonable good condition - Sergei reckons its one of the best bikes he has seen around and the guy riding it 100kms was proof enough that it at least runs. We went to the notary and I got the Power of Attorney. So now here I am, with my 1987 Ural sidecar - estimated 8500km away from home. There is a few things that have to be fixed( carby) and I have to prepare the bike for the trip. My next step will be installing a 500watt inverter and getting a car battery in the sidecar. I was also thinking about installing some spotlights on the sidecar as well as small sound system for nights around the camp fire. I am fairly good with mechanics, but I was thinking of finding a good local mechanic who could check the bike fore me and prepare it for the trip - I reckon by the time I go to the local markets and find the parts I need Im already gonna get ripped off and the price difference might as well be the wage for the mechanic.. Does anyone know a good mechanic in Bishkek? And does anyone know where I could get panniers and a tank bag? Any help is appreciated. Thank you very much |
Looks a great bike on your photos:thumbup1:
Sergei will put you in contact with Ali but if Ali is busy then Oleg is also a great mechanic. Take all spares they recommend as both would have spent many hours working on such bikes before. Also Endurotour do bike repairs but maybe they all use the same guys but i am sure they will help also www.endurotour.kg Getting hold of Sergei is sometimes hard as he spends alot of time with charity work helping homeless people Sounds a great trip, personally myself i think it is much more interesting on people doing low budget trips relying on local help as i think you will have more fun than say going the "full kitted out bike" route....... i mean your bike just cost less than most people spend on Klim suites doh and it really helps the local community |
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