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priffe 22 Jan 2020 20:52

Yeh that would be a challenge for sure :D

I have only ever seen a few trailers in WA, for good reason.
Like this outfit, in Western Sahara, and then again in Bamako
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1f...=w1508-h810-no

Yves 26 Jan 2020 10:25

Algeria - Mauritania via Tindouf
 
I just stumbled over this trip report, in German, from December 2019
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Summary (translation):
1. part: Algerien, West coast, Alger - Oran, Region Taghit and Timimoune, Tindouf, border PK 75
04.12. - 27.12.2019
2. part: Mauretanien, from Mauritanian boarder PK 75 (south Tidouf) nach Atar, to army post Ain Ben Tili, Bir Mogrein, Zouérat, Ben Amira (Choum) and Atar
27.12. to 31.12.2019

Yves

Chris Scott 26 Jan 2020 10:48

And all without an agency escort in DZ, plus they even dodged the army escort to Tindouf.
Just like it was for all in the 1980s...

Their Acacia Adventure may be a good contact, as nothing much has come of the agencies I've contacted.

They met the Norwegians who got lost and ended up taken to Ain Ben Tili.

TheWarden 26 Jan 2020 17:26

great to read another report on the route.

Getting very tempting for me now, maybe 2021

sherifsalem 26 Jan 2020 18:41

Tindouf Border
 
Recent Tindouf border passage documented via blog...

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Chris Scott 30 Jan 2020 19:21

Gerbert's article
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2020/01/30...corte-a3988613

Chris Scott 1 Feb 2020 22:04

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Land yachts followed this route, more or less, in 1967.
More here:
https://sahara-overland.com/2020/02/...g-sahara-1967/

Ccandelario430 10 May 2020 10:38

Hello, everyone. I am relatively new to trans-African travel, and I am interested in traveling from Spain to West Africa via Algeria next year. All of you who have crossed the Algeria-Mauritania border have apparently done so with your own vehicle. As I do not own a vehicle and plan to travel mostly with public transport and hitchhiking, will this be possible for me? Lots of people hitchhike from Morocco to Mauritania, so I would think it would be possible to hitchhike from Algeria to Mauritania. What do you guys think?

Chris Scott 10 May 2020 11:16

The problem is to travel in desert Algeria without an escort.
This is usually needed to get your visa, but some get round it.
Then you need to get on a bus to Tindouf without raising alarm.
Then in Tindouf the police normally put foreigners in a hotel for safe keeping.
Foreigners can't just wander around Tindouf, afaik.
It has been a restricted province since the Polisario war, certainly for tourists.

The border crossing itself is 70km away in the desert.
Anything is possible but I can't see hitching being made easy in Alg.
And even less likely a bus service from Tindouf to Zouerate starting up.
So have your ride out of Algeria in to RIM organised in advance.
Or stick to the much easier Atlantic route.

This all assumes borders reopen.
According to published stats, Covid appears to have had a tiny effect in Africa compared to Europe.
In Morocco < 200 dead they say. Similar in Alg.
But we are told this could be the calm before the storm, especially in sub-Sahara.

priffe 10 May 2020 13:08

Algerian gendarmes wouldn't know what to do with a european hitchhiker for sure
but they would probably find a way

SARS2 does not spread locally in Africa, at least not in warm and certainly not in dry areas
For some reason this is not reported, 'they' like to spread fear in Africa
Nouakchott 8 cases 1 dead - but a curfew every night and the grand marché closed
crazy

Ccandelario430 10 May 2020 17:42

Thanks for your input. Although nobody has hitchhiked this route, I'd be willing to give it a try. Another thing to note is that I am a US citizen, whereas most foreigners who travel in this region are Europeans. Would this affect my chances of successfully crossing the border or traveling in Algeria in general?

Chris Scott 10 May 2020 18:04

Algeria is not like most other countries: think Iran, N Korea, parts of Myanmar. Tourists can't roam around unescorted.
So it will depend on whether you need/choose to organise an escort/guide in a car, border to border - no problem wherever you're from (bar Israel), but expensive.

Without one, expect delays in Alg, more because the hats fear for their jobs if you get in trouble or are caught where you ought not be, unescorted.
It will help greatly if you speak French or Arabic to talk your way through.

In RIM no probs: get a visa at Hassi 75.

In my experience Americans have an easier time getting visas (in DC) than Brits.
But that was year ago.

Ccandelario430 10 May 2020 18:29

This is probably a naive question, but how would the Algerian government know what parts of the country you travel to? I mean, once you're in, you're in, right? I've heard it's really regulated. Can't you just discretely hop on a train or bus and visit just about any city or town you choose? Or are there numerous checkpoints where they ask for your passport? I've been to Morocco and Egypt and have only had to show my passport a couple of times, though I suppose Algeria might be more strict.

Chris Scott 10 May 2020 18:52

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Once you're in you're in is true but as said, Alg is nothing like those countries.
If it was we'd all be bombing around there like in the good old days.

See https://sahara-overland.com/algeria-3/

The proscribed Grand Sud more or less represents what is not the yellow area of the French map below.

There will be roadside checkpoints checking ID and who will turn a foreigner back without an escort, including (in my experience) checking bus passengers.
Sneak by and subsequent checkpoints will nab you.

And Tindouf area is on another level. No one could get there for half a century, unless in a 'peace convoy' with Polisario aid.

Just last week the Algies held a live ammo army exercise near Tindouf - presumably to remind the Moroccans they mean business.

What Algies really don't want is an American hitchhiker being kidnapped/sold by some renegade troupe of jihadis and spirited over the border into nearby Mali.
See: https://sahara-overland.com/kidnappings

That is why the county has reacted so strongly in suppressing independent tourism. It's a shame, but that's the way it is since 2003 or so.

Ccandelario430 10 May 2020 20:06

Well, on the bright side, at least it's not overrun with tourists like Morocco, Tunisia, and Egypt. The benefit of being strict with regards to tourism means that they should have a purer culture as they haven't resorted to exploiting it for monetary gain.


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