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priffe 16 Jan 2013 00:45

"Mauretania is secure!" - December, 2012
 
edit - there, I put quotation marks around the above statement made by a gendarmes colonel and everyone should be happy! / priffe :)

Travelling through Mauretania for a week around Xmas, I got to talk with locals and gendarmes in many places.
The regional commander around Ghami told me the country is now safe, and even as a family we could travel anywhere we liked!!!
He actually said "Anywhere".
I incredulously asked: Nema? Oualata? Fderik?
"Of course".
But if there were Al Qaeda elements crossing into Mauretania, or even attacks? "As long as they stay in Mali, they can do what they like - it is not our war. But if they cross the border, we will defend our territory".

Indeed, there are now checkpoints wherever you go. The highway between Nouadibou and Nouakchott is looking more like Morocco, with gas stations, restaurants and even small cities shooting up from the sand.
The idea of Al Qaeda feels very remote.

In Nouakchott, there are gendarmes and police everywhere.

In Bogue, I stayed with the family under one of the nomad tents where they put out matresses and you can sleep the night for free if you eat.
Gendarm officer asked if we wouldn't prefer a hotel? "No, we're fine here".
I didn't notice, as travellers came in and left through the night, that gendarmes took turns sleeping next to us, without saying a word.

In Selibaby, the local chief of police said in the morning "I have been circulating all night! I was so worried about you!"

Leaving Selibaby for the piste, I had to sign a release where I took upon myself all responsibility for my family. Driving through a small village, we met a bloke carrying a laptop - the local boss. I asked if he had seen any beards ("les barbus") around - - - this question would mostly generate laughter wherever we asked, but he said: "Look, we don't accept any kind of problems here. Everyone has the number for the gendarmerie (116) and would call right away if they saw something suspect".
At the last gendarm post in Melgue on the Mauri side of the oued, I had to sign yet another release - this time that we against all advice were crossing into Mali and that I was taking all responsibilities for what could happen. Had to write it down four times before he was satisfied with the wording.

And so I came to the conclusion that you can actually drive around in Mauretania at this time - something we should take advantage of, no?

There is an agreement from what I have heard that AQ can't have any bases closer than 20 kms to the border. It seems inevitable that the instability and rapidly changing situation in Mali will spill over into Mauretania and they will be dragged into the action. Some say there is a plan already on the table that the Mauries will finish the job when the French and Ecowas troops have done their part.
But at the moment, Mauretania appears to be safe for travel.

Rui Pedro Tremoceiro 16 Jan 2013 19:36

Hi Priffe.
Thanks a lot for your update information.
Preparing to cross Mauritania in March 2013. Nice to know!
Rui
Portugal

priffe 16 Jan 2013 20:20

I can say that after Agadir, I didn't see even one western family - no white kids anywhere, except for mine (boys age 10 and 14). So of course we drew attention where we went, Mauri - Mali - Burkina.
Didn't see many tourists at all - on the Moroccan side of the border, only one besides us - a Swiss couple in a campervan, really nervous about having to drive through a minefield...
Boys enjoyed the trip even more than I expected - I would unhesitatingly recommend the experience to anyone.

Lamin 17 Jan 2013 09:20

Hi, thanks for the info. We're just gearing up to drive north back through Mauritania towards Morocco. We're planning to take the coastal road. What are your thoughts around any increased risk arising from the escalating situation in Mali?

priffe 17 Jan 2013 14:56

Driving the coastal road should be no problem whatsoever, and as I hinted in the above post, Mauri gendarmes really look after you in a way I haven't seen anywhere.

The action in northern Mali will have consequences as we saw happen in south Algeria today. Even in Europe. Need to read the news to stay updated.

Luis Lancastre 17 Jan 2013 16:29

i just came from my 5th motorcycle tour to mauretanea and south and i did not have any kind of problem, even in the mauretanea interior, i was alone, and everything ok.
there are bed and nice people everywhere, like here in portugal, so to everyone who intend to travel south bonne route

Chri8 17 Jan 2013 17:37

Sorry, I don't believe Mauretania is secure, a lot guinea pigs must have driven to Mauretania, until I believe that, and as you write, there are only few westerners coming along.
I've been winter 2008/9 there and from the news, that followed a few months later, I must admit the travel warnings from foreign ministeries were right, allthough locals said, that there ain't be any problem.
Cheers

Surfy 17 Jan 2013 17:51

The risk is there - for shure!

We was there during november, and it was nice and relaxed.

But that can change - so be careful when traveling - dont feel too safe...

Surfy

roamingyak 17 Jan 2013 18:13

Perhaps one positive thing to come out of all of this is that Mori has had to pull its socks up and actually be welcoming and helpful to its visitors. I have crossed 5 times in the last 10 years and the police were becoming more and more aggressive and demanding of things, especially after the sealed road was finished and all the yahoo rallies started.

I last came through in the week of Spanish and Italian kidnappings in 2009 and to be blunt the Mori military police were mostly the biggest pack of thieving bastards I meet on my whole west/east coast trip. And I am holding back with my choice of words. 4 times I had a complete strip search of my landy, 3 times in one day. In 25 odd checkpoints only 1 guy was polite, friendly and civil. I know motorcyclists were largely ok, but other 4x4's, especially when alone like me were also having similar problems. The checkpoint outside of N'bou was especially bad, I had to fight the guy off with a machete almost - he walked up looking really pissed and yelled very loudly "You give me!!" to start the conversation.

These are my thoughts over 3 years later and after going through another 45 countries. I was not by any means a African virgin.

I heard a week after the kidnappings everything magically became super friendly after an official dictate, so lets hope it stays that way. Almost everybody in 2009 was just driving through in 2 days, a huge waste of potential income to the locals.

On declaring the Mori 'safe', using this logic I will also declare Somalia 'safe' as I went there, the people were friendly, the locals said nice things about their own country, insisted it was safe and nothing bad happened to me in the small snapshot of time I was there.

Tread carefully, don't announce your plans to anybody, be discreet and if you get a bad feeling, move on.

Good luck ;-)

priffe 17 Jan 2013 18:21

Situation has much improved since 2009, when the Spaniards were kidnapped on the coastal road.
The greater danger starts when you cross the Malian border - I will write more about that shortly. There you can expect no security from army, gendarmes or police - even if they make you pay for an escort.

Roamin', I didn't write about the situation in 2009. Or in 2007, when gendarmes were looking for bribes at every checkpoint. I put one of those wooden snakes in my bag and watched with a grin as a gendarme looking for booze jumped three feet when he found it.
Day after, three French were murdered near Aleg and the Paris-Dakar was called off.

I wrote about last month, driving through with my family.

Mauri has changed sionce 2009, you would be surprised. I see it more and more as a destination, not like it used to be - a stretch of desert you passed on your way to Africa.

roamingyak 17 Jan 2013 22:27

As I said, I am pleased if that is the case with the police. Also as I said, I heard it changed the week after I was there and seems to have been maintained, from what you and others say - good, I am pleased for Mori, and thanks for the updates and news ;-)

However I think it is wrong to universally declare that a whole country, with a history of kidnapping, is now secure, especially when it borders what is now a war zone with long borders and 'fellow' Muslims (perceived) as being under attack by foreign whities (guessing what some peoples not unreasonable thoughts in Mori could be??)...

The UK FCO doesn't currently share your enthusiasm, but its interesting to contrast the differing information so we can each judge the risks for ourselves, again thanks for sharing:

Mauritania travel advice

http://www.fco.gov.uk/content/en/tra...ania-map-28nov

"Following French military intervention in Mali, there is a possibility of retaliatory attacks targeting Western interests in the region. We advise vigilance."

priffe 18 Jan 2013 00:09

You could perhaps re-read the last paragraph of the first post again.

nayladog 20 Jan 2013 10:50

Boarder security Western Sahara to Mauritania... or lack of.
 
This is posted by a nervous traveler doing a Spain-Dakar Rally in a back-up vehicle. This will be my first trip through Mauritania and I'm concerned about kindnappings. One of the things that all the travel warnings say is to be especially careful around boarder crossings such as Western Sahara into Mauritania. I would have thought that the boarder which is heavily guarded would be one of the safer places in comparison to the open expanses of desert. Can anyone shed some light on this?

priffe 20 Jan 2013 12:46

Nayladog,
one difference between you and the independent traveler is that you are in a group with a schedule.

Possibly also with a website/blog/whatever with an itinerary. This means someone could plan an attack. The organizers of the rally should be well aware of this, and take the necessary precautions.

I think this is what happened to the spaniards who were kidnapped on the highway south of the border. They left Nouadibou and were driving in a convoy, but it was after dark and one of the cars fell behind. Then it was attacked.
This would not happen today, as there are too many checkpoints and the security level is much higher than it was.

The rule is, never drive after dark.
Also good advice, not letting people know your itinerary/route, or changing it in the last minute. These rules would apply to much of Africa, not just Mauretania.

Work with the gendarmes, they will look after you and not let you get into harm's way.
I don't see the border crossing as a concern, if something happens it will be elsewhere.

nayladog 20 Jan 2013 15:42

Thanks priffe,
The organisation has not published a detailed itinerary for the actual participants. They won't know their waypoints until the evening before the next day's stage. The backup vehicles must take the only available road south and we will do that in convoy...so I'm not so concerned.
Racing a bike 500km/day offroad, through the desert with the possibility of break downs, getting lost and arriving after dark is a huge concern.
It's very hard to make an assessment of the risks by reading the UK, Spanish, US and Australian Travel warnings which advise you to cancel any trip there and others (independent travelers) who say it's fine.

Chris Scott 20 Jan 2013 18:31

Thanks for your Mori report priffe but I think there is a difference between 'secure' (well guarded) and 'safe' (no need for guards).

Quote:

And so I came to the conclusion that you can actually drive around in Mauretania at this time - something we should take advantage of, no?
Would you have been happy to drive with your family along the 1000km vertical Mali border, hoping gendarmes would patrol or sleep by you each night?

Surely you're familiar with the local tendency to proudly play down embarrassing problems, or to exaggerate. I bet the 'green & whites' based next to the gas plant in Alg would have been as confident a week ago.

That FCO map of Mori harks back to their bad old days, I admit - especially as it lazily uses provincial borders to separate the zones. If only it was so clear cut.
More realistically I would be relaxed to travel west of a line from Choum SE to Ayoun, as many regularly do at the moment, even with worried police chiefs and the need for disclaimers. (Once in Mali it's all different of course.)

But I find it hard to believe that now they will let you traipse off to Chegga via Ain Ben Tili to repeat some of Cyril Ribas' big routes from the days when Mori was safe and not just secure.
A cordial 20km agreement with AQIM groups is all very well, but I doubt their supporters and sympathisers in Mori are sitting on their hands.

Ch

priffe 20 Jan 2013 19:54

Chegga would probably mean pushing the envelope :)

But I wanted to describe the situation as we experienced it a month ago in some detail.
The overtext is a quote from the gendarmes officer. Secure, not safe then, if you prefer...
I am not saying nothing bad can happen in Mauretania (or anywhere else, for that matter)
But it should be clear from what I and others wrote that the situation has changed over the last few years
And my point is that if you're about to enter a non secure area, the gendarmes won't let you through

Another thing I thought of on this trip is how unlikely you are to be kidnapped on a piste. If they are normally well planned events rather than spontaneous grabs, they are much more likely to happen on a goudron, where they will know when and where to strike.

Since there is a natural tendency to write about things gone wrong it is nice to be able to give another story - that a family did this journey at this time and it was a positive experience all the way. The real Africa, not the media version.

They built a nice looking centre for the Bank d'Arguin National Park on the highway at Ghami. This is also the new entrance point to the park.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-v...0/IMG_0252.JPG
There are now gas stations and restaurants along the highway, Morocco style
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p...0/IMG_0239.JPG
After not having seen any tourists on the border, I was surprised to see most of the tents at Arkeiss (the northernmost village in the N.P.) busy
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-I...0/IMG_0217.JPG
"Les Sultanes" is a nice getaway from Nouakchott circa 15 kms north of the city
- excellent and not crowded beach, and you can also camp here ("Chez Nico")
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D...0/DSC_1332.JPG

Nouakchott streets 2007
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...t%25201364.JPG
Stuck in the sand
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-S...0/DSCN1332.JPG
Five years later - paved roads through the city
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M...DSC_0006-2.JPG

Roger Bruton 20 Jan 2013 22:17

Nice to see/hear all that, but I'm still a teeny bit worried about being there next week!

roro 21 Jan 2013 09:17

Don't worry too much, but be careful.
RR.

Roger Bruton 27 Jan 2013 13:10

We were a little tense on the road down to Nouakchott, but there was no probs at all ..... until we got to 35kms north of the city. The police/douane checkpoint there did an "everything out" search of my car, looking for booze/drugs etc. They confiscated a bottle of wine and ticked me off for having it but made me a cup of mint tea while they were doing it! The search was not very professional ... if I WAS a smuggler, there are dozens of places they didn't look!

TheAfricaSchoolRun 29 Jan 2013 11:29

Mauritania security
 
We are travelling north around February / march through Mauritania and would welcome anyone wanting to make a convoy.
We are a little concerned about travelling through Mauri and seem to be reading so much conflicting information , if anyone is currently there please get in touch

autonomy 29 Jan 2013 18:03

We did the coastal route, Maroc-Mauri-Senegal last week. One night in Noadhibou, one night on the highway near Chami (beside a police checkpoint) one night in Noukchott, one night on a piste in the south near the sea.

In short, north of Noukchott there are many many police, military and some kind of quasi military checkpoints. Bring extra fiches. They keep tabs on where foreigners are on the road. We tried to wild camp but they came after us and made us camp beside the closest checkpoint to where we pulled off. They insist there is a danger.

Some of the checkpoints are crooked. The usual vehicle searches, blatant attempts to find reasons to solicit a bribe. It is hard to say how 'at risk' we were from Mali related elements. But we felt very safe - too safe - with our friends in cammo. During our drive we gave two soldiers a ride out of Nouadhibou for 50km and took an engineer to Chami. We past one military convoy (seven Toyota's with mounted 14mm guns) on the entire road.

South of Noukchott the checkpoints are far fewer. Less intense.

We were travelling in an ex-military truck that raised alot of eyebrows but did not cause undue issue. Having a kid (4yrs.) does help alot.

autonomy 29 Jan 2013 18:52

I will add that some friends were cycling (pedal) the road from the border to Noukchott and were picked up by the police and driven the entire distance! Mauritania is taking no chances!

http://www.london2capetown.net/

priffe 29 Jan 2013 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by autonomy (Post 409758)
Mauritania is taking no chances!

That's the point I was trying to make with the thread.

edit - I have noticed that several travellers, notably the above mentioned pedal bikers, became incredibly frustrated with the gendarmes. I don't think it is possible to bush camp anywhere without the consent of the gendarmerie, in particular along the larger autoroutes. They are acting under instructions, and they take their mission very seriously! No reason to become upset or unfriendly.

So trying to sneak out in the bush is NOT a good idea. They'll come after you. In some instances they've called in helicopters. I think noone wants to wake up with the smatter of a helicopter above the tent.
Instead, ask them nicely if you can put your tent at a small distance from their post, say 100 meters, rather than next to the goudron where they will want you to sleep.

Next trip I hope to have the time to go at least Atar-Tidjidja and hopefully other pistes with lots of bivaques

Essien 31 Jan 2013 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAfricaSchoolRun (Post 409703)
We are travelling north around February / march through Mauritania and would welcome anyone wanting to make a convoy.
We are a little concerned about travelling through Mauri and seem to be reading so much conflicting information , if anyone is currently there please get in touch

I am going to be making the same trip in late march, although using pubic transport.

Does anyone know what would be the most sensible way to travel from Nouakchott to Nouadhibou? Should I visit a reputable tour operator in Nouakchott and arrange a driver (ask them for a vehicle which is discreet) or would that in fact be more dangerous because they might tip the bad guys off in advance that I'm travelling? Would I be best off just turning up to the bus station on the day and getting on a bus full or Mauritanians?

priffe 31 Jan 2013 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Essien (Post 410009)
Would I be best off just turning up to the bus station on the day and getting on a bus full or Mauritanians?

Exactly so, yes. No worries.

TheAfricaSchoolRun 2 Feb 2013 09:21

Lift..?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Essien (Post 410009)
I am going to be making the same trip in late march, although using pubic transport.

Does anyone know what would be the most sensible way to travel from Nouakchott to Nouadhibou? Should I visit a reputable tour operator in Nouakchott and arrange a driver (ask them for a vehicle which is discreet) or would that in fact be more dangerous because they might tip the bad guys off in advance that I'm travelling? Would I be best off just turning up to the bus station on the day and getting on a bus full or Mauritanians?

Hi it's possible we could give you a lift, dates depending and may be a little cramped but air conditioned! Have emailed you

spektakl 2 Mar 2013 20:35

Mauretania is secure! - December, 2012
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nayladog (Post 408434)
This is posted by a nervous traveler doing a Spain-Dakar Rally in a back-up vehicle. This will be my first trip through Mauritania and I'm concerned about kindnappings. One of the things that all the travel warnings say is to be especially careful around boarder crossings such as Western Sahara into Mauritania. I would have thought that the boarder which is heavily guarded would be one of the safer places in comparison to the open expanses of desert. Can anyone shed some light on this?

Hi nayaldog! Here other spaniard that just came from an organised trip, crossed Mauritania early 2013. We had lots of military looking after us. We had very friendly police chekpoints everywhere and, even when doing offroad, we had military and gendarmerie controls about every 3-4 hours or 100-150km. We really felt secure, but always have an eye opened. Governors are concerned about the situation and are working really hard helping organised rallys/tours/etc. not only felt protected, but actually being protected. I saw families, with kids, travelling. As said, we can't actually say it's 100% safe, but believe me, it's not as unsafe as it seems. Apply common sense and the already said prevention actions and you'll do fine :) about the border: no worries. it's 3 km of no man's land. Ignore all the people you'll find there, just smile and wave bye bye. better cross in convoy and always follow a GPS track, if you have one, otherwise the correct way can be found by looking at the Mauritanian radio antenna and going towards it by riding ridden paths. NEVER drive on unridden paths trough this area, as it's heavily mined. it's not difficult, people cross it on a daily basis. Saludos!

moggy 1968 2 Mar 2013 22:19

oh dear, paved roads and visitors centres. how long before MacDonalds and tesco?

I think I preferred the old version.


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