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wearthefoxhat 13 Aug 2013 08:20

Avoid Egypt going down? - Alternate route / shipping options
 
There are a number of us currently concerned about how to get into / through / round Egypt since the boat from Iskenderun was cancelled and the troubles started in Cairo.
Other than travelling through Israel and taking your chances regarding being turned back at Sudan, or shipping to South Africa and doing the South -North route, these are some options I've found so far.

Anyone got any better information?

With all the emails I've got / sent, I'm afraid I still haven't got anything finalised yet (still questions to be answered by each shipper). However, all of the guys below have been pretty helpful so far and I'm making progress with each of them:
1- Turkey (believe it's Mersin) to Mombassa: Ships International (a broker) email Ahmed05@shipsintelltd.com Contact is Ahmed. Cost approx €2,500 plus a few extras. Don't know cost of clearing the car in Mombassa yet.
2 - Turkey (or Cyprus) to Port Sudan: These guys are based in Sudan and say they will deal with clearing the car from the port. Don't know yet who they use in Turkey for loading etc. Biggest issue seems to be that Visas can take up to 6 weeks to get and are needed before you fly in (I think its probably best to know you've got them before putting car in the container!). email darkaship@darkasudan.com Contact: Ismail Ahmed. Cost approx €1,900 plus insurance etc.
3 - Turkey to Egypt: This is a RoRo service to Alexandria, organised via a UK company called Autoshippers (a division of 1st Move International). Email graeme@shipit.co.uk Contact: Graeme Webb. Cost approx €850 (plus insurance - which I'm checking as it seems very expensive). Problem with this one is they're currently saying car must travel empty and personal belongings be shipped separately. Can't see that working for us.

SimonLore also mentioned a company called UnRoRo which goes from Turkey to Alexandria, but I don't have contact details to hand and don't know if they will allow personal possessions to be left in the vehicle (or whether it would be safe to do so - I've heard some horror stories).
Mind you, I've heard nothing good at all about Mombassa or Dar.

SimonLore 13 Aug 2013 08:40

The UnRoRo company which sails from Iskenderum to Damietta (not Alexandria!!) answers rather fast at all our emails, but I don't know yet anybody who took the ferry and had good or bad experiences. Haven't met anyone yet so all experiences are welcome. You heard horror stories wearthefoxhat??

wearthefoxhat 13 Aug 2013 09:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonLore (Post 432530)
You heard horror stories wearthefoxhat??

Hi Simon, not specifically about UnRoRo, more about RoRo generally. I've met and spoken to a number of people who have had items removed from the car while it's being shipped. Even items bolted onto the car.
Problem seems to be that the car goes through a number of people's hands - the loaders, the crew, the unloaders, the storage company at the other end, port handlers etc. Obviously they have the keys as they need to dive the car on/ off, move it at the docks etc. No one knows who removed your items and they all claim that's how the car was when they received it.
When car importers use RoRo the cars are brand new and empty - when overlanders use them the vehicles are crammed full of gear that takes us months to collect and is difficult to replace when you arrive.
May be that we have no alternative though.
Could you put up the contact details you have for them?
Regards
Scott

SimonLore 13 Aug 2013 09:36

Filiz@unroro.com.tr
tel: +90 (216) 585 15 00
fax: +90 (216) 585 15 99
Dumankaya vizyon Isyeri Bloklari Milangaz Cad. no. 77 K:2 offis No: 83-92 34870 Kartal-Istanbul
www.unroro.com.tr

He mails rather fast back. But I'm afraid for exactly the same thing as you are writing wearthefoxhat! I did not yet heard these stories, but I already imagened it for myself :-(

Tom-Traveller 13 Aug 2013 09:53

our plan with a minibus
 
Hi

the above mentioned is no option for us ...

we are trying this way ...

drive to the UAE via Iran (ferry Bandar Abbas to Sharjah) and try the Saudi transitvisa in Abu Dhabi ...

then drive to Jordan (ferry to Egypt) or directly to Jeddah and take the ferry Jeddah to Port Sudan ...

if it does not work, head to Salalah in Oman and ship in a MAERSK container to Port Sudan (about 14 days shipping) and fly to Sudan

Still waiting for a quote for a 20' container (5,70m length, 2,30m height), our car is about 4,60m and 2,00m ...:clap: and we have time and are not in a hurry, cheers bier
TuA

wearthefoxhat 13 Aug 2013 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom-Traveller (Post 432542)
Hi

drive to the UAE via Iran (ferry Bandar Abbas to Sharjah) and try the Saudi transitvisa in Abu Dhabi ...

TuA

Hi, is your vehicle Left-hand Drive? We are a Right-hand drive Land Rover. I have read on a number of posts on the HUBB that no RHD vehicles are allowed into Saudi.

Atlas 13 Aug 2013 16:09

I shipped my vehicle from Lavrio Greece to Haifa Israel last week on a RO RO.Nothing touched and all went very well.Clearing it in Haifa was easy with minimum search and security.We flew in and passport control at Tel Aviv used small loose copies of our passports to stamp without us even asking.When we entered Jordan they did the same putting our visas on loose sheets when they saw the Israeli ones.We are now in Aqaba catching the ferry to Nuweibaa Egypt tonight.If any one needs more detailed info and costs ,procedures etc mail me.

Mousse83 13 Aug 2013 21:35

Great to see this thread is alive and kicking again :)

Number one option for us now is the option as mentioned by Atlas: shipping from Turkey/Greece to Haifa, Israel. Take the ferry from
The good thing is also that in roaring Egypt you can follow the 'green' Red Sea route down for a long end (get to the Nile road at Luxor again). By green I mean the 'green travel advice' as given by the UK Foreign affairs on these parts of the country: https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/egypt
I think it's the same route as VanGS recently did.
This route offers some great places to visit as well ( the 'holy sites' of Israel, Petra in Jordan, and some excellent diving/snorkelling at the Red Sea :)
If you get your Sudanese visa in advance, combined with Israeli stamps on loose papers, it 'll be alright i guess :)

The routes via Saudi Arabia (besides Iran - UAE there's also a ferry going from Iskenderun to Duba) could be an alternative if Egypt really gets dirty, but I'm concerned about getting the visa. We are also not married and women are not allowed to drive. Besides I don't know the experiences with the ferry Jeddah - Port Sudan?

Let's keep in touch :)

itchyfeet38 13 Aug 2013 22:36

Hi Atlas,

Did they not record the importation of the car in your passport as part of the import procedures at the port? They did this with us (a stamp in Hebrew in the drivers passport). Immigration were familiar with the idea of a stamp on a separate piece of paper - but customs weren't interested.

Hi Scott,

I have to say if it were me I'd be inclined to go via Israel and take a chance on Sudan ... Israel and Jordan were both highlights of the trip. And should the worst happen (very unlikely) there is ALWAYS another way.

Best of Brtish anyway.

Hannes 13 Aug 2013 22:44

Situations and conditions in the transitcountries in N-Africa can change weekly - also the uncontolled ferry-departures from different ports in TR are a big issue when we want to travel in a halfway estimated schedule.

So to go through IS seems to be the best choice at the moment (except this little passport problem) and further on as MOUSSE83 mentioned.

To go to IS there´s a very comfortable , secure , cheap and reliable way with GRIMALDI from Monfalcone/IT for all travellers from N-W-C-EU.

I do not recommend Containershipping to any Eastafrican country , because of not calculating the costs, corruption and clearing probs in this countries ( I also heard HorrorStories about this !)

In my case I´ll decide between this Grimaldi-option and a Containershipping to Namibia: both are secure and costeffective ways, without any headache, to go to Africa, offcourse Container transports and flyin are more expensive .

Atlas 14 Aug 2013 06:01

No they put nothing in the passport in Haifa.

Tom-Traveller 14 Aug 2013 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by wearthefoxhat (Post 432548)
Hi, is your vehicle Left-hand Drive? We are a Right-hand drive Land Rover. I have read on a number of posts on the HUBB that no RHD vehicles are allowed into Saudi.

Yes, we have a left hand drive minibus and I also heard about this issue with right hand drive, sorry for you ... no Saudi Arabia option for you :(

Since about 5-6 weeks they issue transitvisa only for residents in Abu Dhabi, so the container it is, probably

TuA

PS: we just got the referncenumber to pick the Visa for Iran in Turkey :D

Mousse83 14 Aug 2013 14:40

@ Tom ; Where did you get this information about Saudi transit visa issued only for Abu Dhabi residents?

Some other questions I have:
Does anyone know whether you need to be married for a transit visa as well?
How do they check this ? :)
Anyone has information of the Jeddah - Port Sudan ferry?

wearthefoxhat 14 Aug 2013 15:09

Containers that avoid Egypt are certainly looking good at the moment.
Checkout the news today on Al Jazeera and BBC - it's all become very difficult in Egypt as the military step in to clear the squares and pro-Morsi demonstrators.
Many reports of hundreds killed and many more injured in the last 12 hours.
Not just in Cairo, but also Alexandria, Luxor & Suez.
The British Foreign & Commonwealth office were advising this morning that most of The Sinai is a no-go area (except the road down to Sharm) and that the only area where 'all but essential travel should be avoided' is the route down as far as Hurghada.,
I don't doubt that will also change when they update their bulletin after today's events.
Great care is needed anywhere in Egypt for the foreseeable future.
Atlas, crossed from Jordan yesterday. Here's hoping they're safe and out of harm's way.

Mousse83 14 Aug 2013 17:18

Terrible news on Egypt today indeed... :helpsmilie:

By avoiding Egypt it leaves two options:
1. Get that hard-to-get visa in Saudi en take the ferry Jeddah -Port Sudan
2. Shipping to a 'reliable' port, such as Namibia. Hannes did you find a good option for this?

wearthefoxhat 14 Aug 2013 20:58

I have a number of emails out at present to companies that I have contacted today, who could ship to Namibia (or possibly S Africa).
They include...
1) Transworld Cargo - SEA FREIGHT | Transworld Cargo (Pty) Ltd (awaiting response)
2) First Base Freight - Car Shipping Overseas | Exporting Cars | UK Car Shipping Company (awaiting response)
3) John Good Shipping - Affordable UK Shipping Agents - John Good Shipping (very helpful so far, offices in UK, Turkey and Walvis Bay). Say they can ship from UK or Turkey. Preparing a price for me.
4) Russells Freight - http://www.russellsfreight.com/roro-...ng-from-the-uk (Can only ship from UK)
Will post more info when I have it.
Most of the people who have commented on HU in various threads seem to think that Walvis Bay is a pretty safe (and well organised, if possibly expensive) option.

SimonLore 15 Aug 2013 08:54

I just tried to phone the embassy of sudan and UAE. Both are closed untill monday. So untill then I can not phone them to get the correct information if it would be possible to get a visum as fast as possible.

@wearthefoxhat: I mailed also some of the links that you gave us! Thanks! Let's see what they will answer.

wearthefoxhat 15 Aug 2013 09:16

We're British and it seems (from other travellers) that the Sudanese quite enjoy making us work hard for visas (can't imagine why).
Both of these sites give some useful information about Sudanese visas....
Travel and Tourism in Sudan
www.wikitravel.org/en/Sudan
It seems that the best place to get Sudanese visas on the road is Cairo (!) if going south (usually takes only a few days, after getting a Letter of Introduction from your own embassy). Alternately, Addis if going north, although this can take considerably longer.
We have a good contact with a Consular Services Agency in the UK who know their way round many of the visa applications. However, they went into the Sudanese embassy in London last week and were told that we would not be able to apply for a visa through an agency. We would need to turn up in London personally for an interview, make the application, pay the fee (whether the visa is granted or not) then wait 4-6 weeks for the visa to be issued.
Unfortunately this would mean that we could not take the risk of putting the car into a container until we have the visas and shipping from Turkey would take a further 16-25 days. My current feeling is that's going to take too long for us (although you currently never know which is going to end up the best option).
If you can fast-track the visas and need further info from a shipping company in Sudan the best response we have had so far is from...
Ismail Ahmed darkaship@darkasudan.com
Their quote was...
" €1850 / 20-foot container (including seafrieght , Delivery order ,port charges , clearance fees , unlashing, examination , handling ) till receiving the car outside the port.
excluding insurance, duties/taxes/demurrage/detention/ssmo and any governmental as per official receipts''

Hope this helps.
Scott

achim-in-jordan 15 Aug 2013 12:51

I would like to add a few clarifications to this extremely useful thread:

a) The situation concerning transit visa for Saudi in the UAE might mainly concern Germans. The German embassy refuses to issue a recommendation letter (LoI) arguing this is no longer necessary due to a bilateral agreement. Nevertheless, the Saudis insist on getting one. Therefore, a Saudi transit visa might still be possible to obtain in Abu Dhabi for other nationalities whose embassies do still issue these letters.

b) I am sure that a Saudi transit visa is impossible to get without an onward visa for Sudan! Otherwise, the Turkey to Duba option would be nice: It is not a very long ride from Duba to Jeddah and would even - given the three days of a transit visa - allow to visit Mada'in Saleh and Jeddah on the way.

c) The Jeddah to Suakin (not Port Sudan!) ferry is fairly straightforward, a little of the usual bureaucratic hassle and delays on both ends, but easily manageable for overlanders.

d) The information I got from fellow travelers end of 2012 (I had my Sudanese visa beforehand) was that it was easier to obtain at the consulate in Aswan than in Cairo!

Hope this helps
Greetings
Achim

wearthefoxhat 15 Aug 2013 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonLore (Post 432539)
Filiz@unroro.com.tr
tel: +90 (216) 585 15 00
(

Simon, it's not relevant to avoiding Egypt, but since the ferry isn't running to Egypt, I just had this price from Carshippingcompany (part of Dolphin Moves, one of the UK's biggest shipping companies)...

I can offer only Turkey to Egypt
No service from Turkey to SA, you would have to go via Italy then find a service from Italy port Trieste.
Vehicle Details: Land Rover Defender type

Collection/Receiving Point: Iskenderun port Turkey
Shipping Method: Roll on / Roll off
Destination: Damietta port

Frequency: Weekly
Transit Time: 18 hours
Quote Validity: End Aug 2013
Transit Insurance: 3.5% + 6% IPT on value of vehicle, upon request
Rate: £510.00
(approx €570 or $750)
Yeshim Hassan
Business Development Manager
info@carshippingcompany.co.uk
"

I don't doubt there are a few extras to add to the price but how does that compare to UN RoRo?

DesertSoul 15 Aug 2013 22:20

Hi! Trieste to "SA" meaning Saudi Arabia or South Africa? Which port in the KSA, if this is the case? Thanks!

SimonLore 16 Aug 2013 10:03

Hi wearthefoxhat,

I also think there are still a few other costs that are still excluded. But how much it will be, I don't know... At UnRoRo it is 415 usd for the car and still 150 usd per person for the flight.

I think you also can not stay on the ship at the quote put in the topic?

So there is a certain difference in price, but I think also in the company you are dealing with...

We still would love to see Egypt, but are getting a bit scared...

itchyfeet38 16 Aug 2013 14:20

Certainly in 2011 Aswan was the place to get a Sudanese visa and from the thread below it looks as though this is still the case (cheaper/quicker, no LOI).

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...sa-aswan-65898

Also means you can avoid Cairo which is obviously a good thing at the moment.

For those traveling south would suggest the coastal route then inland at Marsa - there will be very little traffic. Or Western Desert road. Both would be better than the Nile road which passes through a number of big cities/towns.

May also be better to stay out of town in Aswan - several travellers have recommended

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ay-aswan-68875

tourdeforce 16 Aug 2013 22:30

I was part of the support crew for the Endurance Rally Assoc. London to Cape Town event in 2012. We shipped from Jeddah to Port Sudan and used this guy as the fixer. he was very good. However, I don't know how much he charged, as I wasn't paying! Say Duncan Milligan from the London to Cape Town rally gave you his details.. Good luck.

Munir Janbi <munircpa@hotmail.com>

wearthefoxhat 20 Aug 2013 20:03

Thanks TdF.
There's been some discussion about a boat between Aqaba and Port Sudan.
Does anyone have any details or know whether it is possible (or how easy it is) to get Sudanese Visas in either Aqaba or in Amman, Jordan?

Atlas 21 Aug 2013 08:02

Sudan visa in Aswan
 
My wife and I got ours on Sunday 18 th past.It took about 2 hours and US $ 50 each.Got onto ferry to Wadi Halfa easily same day as only 200 passengers due to Cairo troubles no buses or trains running.

Atlas 21 Aug 2013 08:09

Sudan visa
 
wearthefoxhat

If you are happy to use fixers the one here in Wadi Halfa can help you with visas.He is very knowledgeable and worked with a lot of people travelling through as there are only 2 here.He helped the guys doing the Cape Town London record run.
His name is Mazar Mahir and and number is +249 122380740.
I usually don't use fixers but this guy has been very good.

wearthefoxhat 21 Aug 2013 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas (Post 433556)
My wife and I got ours on Sunday 18 th past.It took about 2 hours and US $ 50 each.Got onto ferry to Wadi Halfa easily same day as only 200 passengers due to Cairo troubles no buses or trains running.

Hi guys, glad to hear you made it through without too much grief. Must have been a bit of a concern at times - I guess in some ways you were lucky (?!!) to arrive the day it kicked off and get round Sinai / down past Luxor before the trouble spread too far.
A lot of driving to put in over a short period and a real shame to have to miss out seeing the best of Egypt.
Still, safety is the main issue.
Hopefully things will get easier for your trip from here on in (judging by the news, I'm not sure they will for Egypt though).
Regards
Scott

SimonLore 21 Aug 2013 08:52

We are trying to change our travel route. We will drive to Greece and try to take the ferry from Haifa. It seems that there is no problem to get the stamps on a little paper beside your passport. Then there is one border post King Hussein bridge/Allenby Bridge (don't mess up with Sjeikh Hussein crossing!!!!). where it is possible to cross the bridge with Jordan without getting stamps of Israel.

Further on we want to go to Saoedi and take the ferry from Jeddah to Port SUdan OR take directly the ferry from Aqaba to Port Sudan.

Anyone has experiences with these ferries or any info?

SimonLore 21 Aug 2013 08:55

note that you need a visum for jordan in adavance before entering! You can get it in your home country or in Tel aviv: Allenby Bridge | King Hussein Bridge Information

Überflieger 21 Aug 2013 10:32

Hi Simon,

Did you already get the visa for Saudi Arabia?
Do you want to travel with your wife? Was this a problem with getting the visa?

We also want to start our tour down in december and hope that the situation in egypt will get better.....

PLEASE let us know about your experience with the boarders and especially the available ferry in Aqaba or Jeddah.
Thanks a lot
Regards
Stefan

SimonLore 21 Aug 2013 11:51

Hi Stefan,

My girlfriend is going with me yes. Like everybody says: it IS a problem because we are not married. But it seems that it will work anyway. I'm waiting for my visa for Sudan before make an application for the visa for saoedi. Because we asked a transit visa for saoedi, this is necessary!

achim-in-jordan 21 Aug 2013 12:18

Dear Simon,

you can go through Allenby only as a foot passenger, using the shuttle bus. Without a special permit (which is next to impossible to obtain as a foreigner) you can not cross the Allenby bridge with a vehicle or motorcycle!!! For travelers, there is only the Sheikh Hussein Bridge or the Elat - Aqaba border in the South!

Take care,
Achim

SimonLore 21 Aug 2013 15:37

Okay Thanks a lot Achim.

I just found another website: I don’t want Israel to stamp my passport

and

How to Cross from Israel to Jordan (or Jordan to Israel)

so that part of our journey will be okay! :-)

For the moment I'm searching for ferry ferry ferry's :-)

The best for the moment from Jeddah to Suakin is Baaboud.
For Aqaba - Suakin I don't have yet a shipping company
For Greece - Israël: salamis shipping company

Africa to Brazil 21 Aug 2013 23:18

Hi all

I find your posts on this thread this thread extremely helpful and I am amazed about how many people are faced with similar challenges as I am.

I am going the opposite direction as most of you, travelling from Kenya where I live to Brazil for the next Soccer World Cup (see www.facebook.com/africa.tobrazil)

Originally, I was planning to drive up to Egypt and take a ferry to Turkey and then travel eastwards to Iran, but until I read this thread I had given up on this options as all ferry companies seem to have suspended their shipping connections between Egypt and Turkey. Reading this thread, however, I have already sent emails to Autoshippers, Unroro and Carshipping Company to get quotes for their services between Egypt and Turkey.

I have two back-up options in case there are no ferries from Egypt to Turkey:
1) Sudan - Egypt -ferry to Aqaba in Jordan - Israel - ferry to Iskenderun in Turkey -Iran
2) Sudan - ferry to Jeddah in Saudi Arabia - UAE - Iran

The main open questions/challenges I am facing are the following:
1) Israel stamps and entry into Iran
Will I have difficulties entering Iran after travelling through Israel. Even if the Israeli immigration officials don't stamp my passport, I will still have a trail of having travelled through Israel in my Carnet de Passage. Two questions here:
a) Will I have difficulties entering Iran if my Carnet de Passage shows that I have travelled through Israel?
b) Does anyone of you have any advice how to avoid this "trail" of having travelled through Israel in the carnet de passage?

2) Ferry Suakin/Port Sudan to Jeddah
I have contacted Baaboud but so far haven't received any response on the following questions:
a) What days of the week does the ship leave Port Sudan or Suakin?
b) How long does the ferry take to cross from Sudan to Saudi Arabia?
c) How long prior to the ferry departure should I deliver the car at the port?
d) What are the cost of shipping a 4x4 vehicle on this ferry?

3) Saudi Arabia Transit Visa
I will go to the Saudi embassy in Nairobi tomorrow to inquiry about the possibility of a transit visa. I will also check with them about the restrictions regarding right hand drive vehicles that some of you mentioned and will share what I find out on this forum.

I appreciate your time in addressing these questions.
Florian

achim-in-jordan 22 Aug 2013 12:25

Hi Florian,

Just very quickly, will write more details next week:

There is no ferry from Israel to Iskenderun at the moment - the service has been cancelled. From Israel your best bet would be the ferry to Greece which also gives you a "cleaner" passport since your entry stamp will be from Greece to Turkey. If you take the ferry from Chios or other islands to Cesme you could even claim you came directly from the Arab world to there.

Nevertheless, the Sudan - Saudi - UAE - Iran option is certainly the better one and it should be easier to get the visa in this direction. It will also be easier to get the Saudi visa in Khartoum, not in Nairobi. It usually has to be direct neighbouring country.

As for the ferry from Suakin to Jeddah, there are two companies, Baaboud being one of them. You can buy the ticket directly at the port or at their main office in Port Sudan (less than one hour ride). It is convenient to go to Port Sudan and see the place before heading for the ship. They usually tell you you have to be there at noon, but the ferry does not leave before sunset und takes one night to arrive in Jeddah. I do not know the updates of the schedules, but both ferry companies are running approximately three times per week. I can't remember the fares but they were rather cheap for a Jeep, including a private cabin for about 75 US-Dollar! Compared to the Turkey to Egypt or the Jordan to Egypt ferry it's a real bargain ...

There is no way for a RHD vehicle to enter Saudi! They ask you at the Saudi embassy in Khartoum, at the port in Suakin and at immigration in Jeddah about a thousand times!

Greetings,
Achim

Überflieger 22 Aug 2013 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Africa to Brazil (Post 433687)
b) Does anyone of you have any advice how to avoid this "trail" of having travelled through Israel in the carnet de passage?
Florian

For Israel you don't need the carnet.

In Jordan you can avoid the jordanian stamp at the exit to Israel by using a so called "tryptik". This customs document should be available at the border.
Hope this helps
Good luck
Stefan



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SimonLore 27 Aug 2013 13:23

Does anybody know a shipping company from Aqaba to Sudan?

KevOK 28 Aug 2013 02:56

Why not go through Egypt and Libya? lot less hassle if you ask me!

SimonLore 28 Aug 2013 08:30

Because of the political situation in Egypt...

KevOK 28 Aug 2013 10:20

Just stay out of Cairo! Adventure motorcycling...I know someone travelling through right now and she's had no problems. In fact she's staying in Cairo right now. If you believe everything you see on TV you'll never go anywhere.

the windleys 2 Sep 2013 16:51

Right hand drive is there a transporter across Saudi
 
Hi just a quick question
We are planning to return to the UK but avoid Egypt unless things change.
The ferry Sudan to Saudi looks a good bet BUT we have a right hand drive.
Is it possible to get a transporter across Saudi from the port?
Alternativley is there a ferry Ro/ro up to Jordan from Saudi?
Any advice welcome

wearthefoxhat 3 Sep 2013 10:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by the windleys (Post 435204)
Hi just a quick question
We are planning to return to the UK but avoid Egypt unless things change.
The ferry Sudan to Saudi looks a good bet BUT we have a right hand drive.
Is it possible to get a transporter across Saudi from the port?
Alternativley is there a ferry Ro/ro up to Jordan from Saudi?
Any advice welcome

We were originally looking at containers from Turkey to Sudan (but now think we'll ship to Cape Town instead). I dealt with some helpful people at a Port Sudan based shipping company darkaship@darkasudan.com the contact there was Ismail Ahmed. He may be able to point you in the right direction.

the windleys 3 Sep 2013 20:47

thanks for the tip we will try him
 
Thanks for that we will write to him .

Just a note it was a fantastic journey down to the Cape especially Ethiopia and Sudan.If you can and it is not too hard try and drive down but the Cape is great and an easy place to start. We drove down to the Cape last September via Egypt but shipping in to Sudan could be a good option .

achim-in-jordan 5 Sep 2013 16:41

People at the Saudi embassy in Khartoum and at the port in Jeddah told me that in fact RHD vehicles are forced to be loaded on a truck for the transit to Jordan. So, yes, these transports exist. They are expensive though I don't know the rate. But the way insisted inquiring whether I owned a RHD made it seem less than likely that I would have been able to even enter the ferry with a RHD.

Greetings,
Achim

Africa to Brazil 15 Sep 2013 05:22

Hi there

There now seem to be regular ferry connections again between Turkey (Iskenderun) and Egypt (Damietta) with Unroro and also between Turkey (Iskenderun) and Israel (Haifa) with Mena Lines.

Damietta-Iskenderun:
Below, I am copying an email from September 12 from Filiz Colak (Filiz@unroro.com.tr) referring to the ferry departing from Damietta:

Hİ,
We have service from damietta to İskenderun, the vessel is arriving today , it will be a regular service frm next week each Wednesdays and Saturdays , but you have to get confirmation for sailing by email in any case.

You have to make payment first and the bank receipt should be in our İskenderun agent imformation , than your Booking will be confirmed.

please find below cost and Agency details at damietta.
- Damietta / İskenderun / transit time 18 hours
- Freight for your Landcruiser: usd 400.- fios o/w
- İskenderun port expenses: usd 85.-
- Flight per pax usd 150.-
- You should get confirmation for your Booking from agent , then you can enter the port. İf your plate number not on list you can not enter the port, if you enter the port earlier there will occour storage cost , so beter to be at the same day.

WORMS ALEXANDRIA
Tel : +(203) 48 655 72 (4 Lines) Ext.11/18
Faks : +(203) 48 763 61
Web : Worms Alex
Yetkili : Capt. Said Hammouda


Saygılarımızla / B Regards

Filiz Çolak| Commercial Department





Haifa-Iskenderun:
Below, I am copying an email I received from Mena Lines:

Hi,
Please find my replies below in red

Please also note details of our Haifa Agent:
Uri Behrisch
Tiran Group
Phone 972-4-8509000 , Ext.106
cell 972-54-6718899
Fax 972-4-8556888
Skype uri.behrisch
Tiran


Best regards,

Burak Dinc
Viaroro Logistics Services
burak@viaroro.com
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• On what day of the week does the ferry depart from Haifa? Haifa departures: Every Tuesday ; Iskenderun departures: Every Saturday
• How many days before the departure should I deliver the car to the port? 2 days as of my info, please consult with our agent
• What is the cost of the ferry for the car (length: 4.5 meters) and for myself? Cost of car is USD 450; you can organize your flight by yourself. If assistance needed please inform.
• What are the port charges in Iskenderun? Around USD 150 per car



Neither of these two vessels take passengers, so one would have to fly from Tel Aviv or Cairo to Istanbul or Ankara and then take a bus down to Iskenderun to pick up the vehicle

Hope this is helpful,
Florian

Morgansafari 21 Sep 2013 10:14

RHD 4x4 entering Saudi
 
Hi
We are also travelling north and trying to find a way back to Europe avoiding Egypt if possible and shipping from Israel. Really interested in any info on the Saudi route, but we have a RHD. Does anyone know the cost of the low-loader to take you from the port to the Jordann border if you can't drive your RHD. this has meant paying for a low-loader to take you through Saudi?
Any help appreciated!
Sophie

Africa to Brazil 1 Oct 2013 05:52

Saudi Transit Visa
 
I contacted the Saudi embassies in Sudan and Egypt with guests on transit visas and never received any response.

I then contacted several tour companies in Saudi Arabia and asked them to clarify the requirements for and possibility of getting a transit visa.

Below the response from Saud Al-Suhaimi (saud@jawlah-tours.com):
First of all I wish you a safe journey and I hope you will manage to come over all the challenges in your way to achieve this great goal. We are more than happy to assist you for all your travel needs in Saudi Arabia. However the main issue comes back to obtaining the transit visa which something we cannot help you out with it.

I have spoken to the Saudi Embassy in Sudan , the only chance you will be granted a transit visa if you have a valid residence in the country that you are crossing to ( in your case UAE). As you are not living there the Saudi embassy said there is no way to give you a transit visa

My advice is to speak to them directly and try to explain what you are trying to do to the ambassador and if he agreed to give you the visa we will be more than happy to assist you with all your travel and logistics needs in Saudi Arabia

For now , it doesn’t make any sense for me to give you any quota while I know you have a major roadblock a head of you

Once you obtain the visa please feel free to contact us and we will be happy to quota you for all the services you need


Hope this is helpful as a clarification even though it is not encouraging,
Florian

SimonLore 25 Oct 2013 21:50

We are now in Amman airport waiting to go to khartoum.

Our car is now in the harbour of aqaba for going to Port Sudan.

It takes about 3 days to ship.
We paid 570 dollar. But that depends on the measerements of the car. length x width x height x 35 dollar.

It goes one or two times a week from aqaba to port sudan.

contact Kawar company in the center of aqaba for this.

It is a RoRo.

I will give more info when we have our car back in a couple of days.

Simon

Mousse83 27 Oct 2013 08:49

Sounds like a good option SimonLore! Wishing you luck for a smooth shipment :thumbup1:


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