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priffe 16 Jan 2013 17:40

41 westerners abducted near In Amenas
 
Algérie: Aqmi revendique la prise d'otages sur le site de BP à In Amenas - Algérie - RFI

Among them, seven Americans and a number of Norwegians.
Two were killed, one of them a brit.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2dd8b...#axzz2IASDlLvb

MBM claims the attack. It was done with only three vehicles, overmanning algerian security.
Sounds like a suicide attack - no exit strategy. Not good.

Richard Washington 16 Jan 2013 19:35

I would guess the entry point was Libya which is just 25 km from In Amenas airport.

Initially this looked to me like an effort to gain human shields. Now it looks more like major reprisal for the Mali intervention.

Tomasz 17 Jan 2013 07:53

Possibly 41 hostages taken in In Amenas
 
BBC:
Algerian troops have surrounded a gas facility in the east of the country where foreign workers are being held hostage by Islamist militants.
The kidnappers occupied the complex at In Amenas on Wednesday, after killing a Briton and an Algerian in an attack on a bus.
Algeria says some 20 foreign nationals are being held hostage, although the kidnappers say they have 41.
The captives include British, Japanese, US, French and Norwegian nationals.
One statement purported to be from the hostage-takers demanded an end to the French military intervention against Islamist rebels in Mali.

BBC News - Algeria troops surround militant hostage-takers

Richard Washington 17 Jan 2013 11:20

As a heads up - in case anyone is thinking of driving down to Djanet, the entrance to the Tigantourine facility where the hostage drama is reportedly based, is less than 1km off the main tar road which runs from In Amenas to Illizi - in other words on the main road south to Djanet which many people on the forum have riden/driven before. Tigantourine is about 30 minutes drive south of In Amenas. The workers were said to be intercepted while on a bus travelling to the In Amenas airport.

Tomek 17 Jan 2013 13:56

Breakout at Tiguentourine
 
"Algerian hostages had been released Wednesday by small groups
but their number was not specified."

BENGHAZI POST: BREAKOUT AT TIGUENTOURINE

Tomasz 17 Jan 2013 14:34

In Amenas: Military operation under way
 
BBC:
Algeria siege: Military operation under way
An Algerian military operation is under way at a gas facility in eastern Algeria where hostages are being held, the British Foreign Office says.
Algerian soldiers had been surrounding the facility near In Amenas that kidnappers occupied on Wednesday, after killing a Briton and an Algerian.
A local resident told Reuters news agency that a number of people had been killed in the operation.
Reports quoting militants said at least 34 hostages and 14 kidnappers died.
There was no official confirmation of any deaths.

BBC News - Algeria siege: Military operation under way

Tomasz 17 Jan 2013 15:02

Q&A by BBC
 
Interesting Q&A backgrounder and live coverage on the In Amenas crisis. I believe BBC will update the information as the situation develops and (hopefully) comes to the happy end.

BBC News - Q&A: Hostage crisis in Algeria
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21063558

priffe 18 Jan 2013 13:49

Although it is too early to say, and we don't know yet what happened and is still happening, but personally I think the algerian hard-hitting approach with no negotiations whatsoever in this case lead to a dismal failure for Belmohktar.
They tried to make a getaway with hostages in five vehicles but were promptly dealt with.

No hostages means no ransoms, only a loss of thirty men, a number of vehicles and arms.
If he has a couple hundred men working with him, that should be a significant loss for MBM.

That is the only way the kidnappings can come to a halt - no rewards in sight.

Also, no propaganda victory - no hostages to put on videos for months or years to come, and no human shields to be used for blackmail or to prevent attacks.
The attack only galvanized the anti-jihadist forces and made it even more evident that this problem will have to be dealt with now.

uk_vette 18 Jan 2013 14:05

Unfortunate for the hostages, but I feel that the time for paying ransoms, and allowing the hostages to be decapitated on video, has to be brought to an end.

It is sad, if all the hostages have lost their lives, however, so have the kidnappers also lost their lives.

I don't know what the turning point would be, but I hope the kidnappers do begin to realise that, there could be a hard hitting end to the capture of hostages, which may also end in the death of them selves.

Hope the kidnappers rot in hell, and the 70 virgins awaiting,,, is all bull shit.

vette

priffe 18 Jan 2013 14:17

I think MBM is a numbers guy, he will start calculating and when the figures for kidnappings are firmly in the red, he will look for other ways to generate dirty money.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/midd...79240893bf5200

If it is true that 650 hostages were freed, and 573 of them were algerians, that would mean that 77 foreigners have been liberated, and the Algerians will claim this operation as a success.
The plants security manager was a Frenchman, Yann Desjeux, and he is among those taken hostage.
And the British private security concern Stirling Group was protecting the site.

Toyark 18 Jan 2013 18:19

useful link

priffe 18 Jan 2013 18:20

According to some, Belaouar The One-Eyed MBM was present on site

Bellaouar, l’auteur de la gigantesque prise d’otages d’In Amenas, est venu du Nord Mali

Also http://twitter.com/search?q=amenas

Richard Washington 19 Jan 2013 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by priffe (Post 407980)
MBM claims the attack. It was done with only three vehicles, overmanning algerian security.
Sounds like a suicide attack - no exit strategy. Not good.

Priffe read this one right. Bad ending and indeed no exit strategy. This marks a change for the way AQIM interacts with westerners in the desert.

budric 19 Jan 2013 20:52

http://www.liberte-algerie.com/actua...-amenas-192758
Unhelpful if true.

priffe 19 Jan 2013 21:37

-685 algerian and 107 foreign workers freed

-thirty-two (32) terrorists neutralized

-twenty-three (23) people killed.

Could have ended much worse. Algerian army came out on top and MBM will have to rethink his strategy - can't afford many more attacks like this. So he will be looking for softer targets.

Here is the full press release: (with some help from google translate)


"Algeria has had to deal with a major terrorist attack has jeopardized hundreds of human lives and strategic economic infrastructure.

This attack began the when a terrorist group, heavily armed, attacked a bus carrying 19 foreigners working on behalf of the group Sonatrach-BP-Statoil, escorted by members of the Gendarmerie Nationale, which was headed for the Airport Amenas.

This attack, which was strongly rejected by the escort units, resulted in the death of one (1) Algerian and one (1) British and six (6) injuries (4 national, English 1 and one Norwegian).

This attack was followed by an incursion into the remote base camp three (3) kilometers away, the gas plant Tiguentourine, where they took hostages.

This terrorist group that gained national territory from neighboring countries, several vehicles off-road, consisted of thirty-two (32) criminals, including three (3) Algerian with explosives specialists. Other criminals are of different nationalities.

Forces of the National Popular Army immediately put the necessary measures to secure the scene and neutralize this threat against hundreds of human lives and strategic gas installations.

Concomitantly, an emergency assistance and rescue was initiated and vrisis cells have been vreated at national and local levels, to cope with any eventuality and follow the development of the situation in order to take adequate measures.

The primary concern of protecting human life and the risks related to the nature of gas installations, site configuration and threat to the hostages made for a complex intervention by the Special Forces of the National People's Army.

To avoid a bloody turn of events and at the extreme danger of the situation, due to the clear intention to flee the country with the hostages and blow up gas facilities, special forces the ANP have launched, operational efficiency and professionalism, targeted intervention to neutralize the terrorist group. This intervention resulted in the trial balance as follows:

-685 Algerian and 107 foreign workers freed

Thirty-two (32) terrorists neutralized

-twenty-three (23) people dead

-The weapons recovered consists of six (6) machine guns (FMPK), 21 PMAK guns, two rifles glasses, two 60mm mortars, rockets, missiles 6 type C5 with 60mm launchers, 8 RPG7 with two rockets, 10 grenades arranged as explosive belts,

-Recovery of foreign military supplies

-The recovery of a stock of ammunition and explosives.

At the diplomatic level, regular contacts have been established with senior officials as well as the embassies of the countries directly concerned, to keep them regularly informed of developments.

Faced with this criminal aggression, Algeria wishes to express his appreciation to partner countries as well as international and regional organizations that have expressed their full solidarity and support and condemned in the strongest terms this terrorist attack ".

priffe 19 Jan 2013 22:31

Some fascinating background details; involvement of Abou Zeid; hints of an inside job; and more.

http://www.liberte-algerie.com/actua...-amenas-192758

roro 20 Jan 2013 08:59

VEry interesting,bu , may be, need to be confirmed...

RR.

priffe 22 Jan 2013 17:16

Final (?) assessment

29 terrorists killed, 3 arrested
3 algerians,11 tunisians, 2 canadians (likely forged passports),mauretanians, nigerians, egyptians, malians, moroccans.

37 hostages of eight nationalities and 1 algerian killed

The terrorists came in from Mali sneaking along the Algerian border through Niger and then Libya. The attack had been planned by MBM for two months at Aguelhoc, using inside information, with detailed plans of the plant. The satellite phone call to start the operation came from near Gao three hours before the attack and was intercepted by the Algerians.
Les révélations de Sellal - Actualité - El Watan

The Algerian way of seeing it, no other special force would have done a better job then the People's National Army did. That the Brits or anyone else could have played a role is shrugged off. That the attack could take place was not because of Algerian mistakes. Instead, they are saying that security has become lax because foreign companies such as BP have chosen to buy the services of private security companies.
Sécurisation à tout prix - Edito - El Watan
As the foreign security people became hostages, it was the Alg army that dealt with the situation.

In a worse case scenario, a large part of the desert could have blown up - 40 km radius according to some.
In Amenas encore sous le choc - Actualité - El Watan
The alg security guard who triggered the alarm before he died is seen as a hero who saved the plant and hundreds of lives. Gas production stopped immediately and the pressure was lowered, actions that prevented a huge disaster. Production resumed two days later.
Had a despondent call from Djanet, they expect it to take years before they see another tourist.

Chris Scott 22 Jan 2013 21:37

Abdou from the agency in Djanet said tourism was down 80% last year.
Now they've shown they're prepared to kamikaze themselves, this year it may approach three figures.
He flew out on the same plane as us...

Interestingly, two of us carried SPOT trackers for those back home who wanted to follow our progress, but from Wed am for 36 hours - just when most followers may have been getting alarmed as the news spread - tracking and waypoints on both units did not appear on the map. We were about 400km south of the plant.

Ch

gvdaa 23 Jan 2013 06:25

Intersting remark about spot trackers. So Americans put gps system on hold?

Roman 23 Jan 2013 07:51

Hello gvdaa,

It's not that the GPS system had to be on hold. SPOT beams the GPS co-ordinates to the Globalstar Simplex network, which is in fact a satellite telephony network, like Thuraya, operating its own satellite receivers (GPS satellites are transmitters). The nearest Globalstar facility is in the south of France. Like most sat phone networks, apart from being highly unreliable, they can be easily manipulated, with or without the operator's involvement. It's much more likely, and easily explicable, that during the hostage situation all sat phone communications in a wide area around In Amenas were controlled by the Americans, if not the French themselves.

priffe 23 Jan 2013 11:13

Even if Belmohktar's video was pre-recorded, one had the impression that his group could communicate directly with their media outlet in Mauretania (ANI, now under investigation) and publish details from the event as it progressed?

Chris Scott 23 Jan 2013 11:43

Perhaps at 40km, Tiguentourine was within range of In Amenas mobile signal or the whole highway to Ilizzi gets mobile.
As we know they have gone out of their way before to use mobiles (Fowler) instead of more easily trackable sat phones.

Jamming weak GPS signal locally is quite easy, I read. Although over a 400km radius may take some doing.

Ch

Richard Washington 23 Jan 2013 11:59

The phone message from N Mali via MBM I think the article said, gave the go-ahead for the operation. Crucially this is what the intelligence missed. Does anyone know if that was a mobile or satellite signal?

steview 30 Jan 2013 13:11

Algeria hostage crisis: the full story of the kidnapping in the desert | World news | guardian.co.uk

An interesting examination of the event and as full an account as I've found so far, much from survivors.

Richard Washington 30 Jan 2013 15:48

Thanks for the link Steview. There's good detail in that article.

I've not seen much good analysis of the event in the UK press though. I don't think the journos know enought about the region. A lot of the material has been really poor.

priffe 4 Feb 2013 05:57

Even more gruesome details from what was a pure suicide mission
Militants’ Goal in Algeria Gas Plant Siege: Giant Fireball

priffe 28 Jun 2013 15:16

Algerian report with some more details and geography

In Aménas : le plan secret des terroristes - A la une - El Watan

http://www.elwatan.com/images/2013/0...ne_1641539.jpg

Belmohktar now said to be entrenched in SW Libya where he has bought the loyalty of Ubari touaregs. Anyone here with good knowledge of the region?

Added by CS:
The 'Oudian er-Rouan' marked so prominently on the map above as if it might be a significant place sounds a lot like 'Oued Iraounene' as marked on older Mich 953 maps. This is the course of the main road between Ubari and Serdeles also visible on the map, aka locally as Wadi Adjal. (In Libya they don't use 'oued').

Chris Scott 30 Aug 2013 19:43

Tuesday 10pm on C4

Siege in the Sahara - Channel 4

overlander2 30 Aug 2013 21:24

Terror in the Desert
 
Also: BBC2 2115 Saturday - Terror in the Desert

John H

Adventure before Dementia


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