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craig.iedema 15 May 2013 03:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by motoreiter (Post 422164)
OK, I've checked the pins and now have another question: I have Montana cradles on two bikes, on both cradles there are six pins, and a seventh spot (on the far right) where it looks like a pin might go (ie, a circular indentation), although there are not any indications that a pin was ever there.

However, on the bottom of the Montana there are seven contacts, so maybe there should be a seventh pin?

In any event, when I put the Montana in the cradle and turn the bike on the Montana turns on as well, so hopefully everything is cool.

Mine is the same as works as expected.

EMBEE 16 May 2013 09:31

The display in my Montana, when being used in the Garmin mount, began rotating between portrait and landscape (plus all points in between) this morning, making it all but impossible to read. Has anyone experienced a similar occurrence? Would a master re-set rectify the situation? I have yet to try that this morning as I will lose the routes on the device. Thanks.

motoreiter 16 May 2013 11:36

You know that you can lock the view--portrait or landscape--right? That should fix the problem, although now that you mention it I think I might have had the screen rotate even after I locked it.

danward79 19 May 2013 08:19

Use the profiles, make one for on the bike that has all the setting you like for that mode of use. including locking the aspect.

I have about 5 or 6 profiles, for walking, mountain biking, driving (Tom Tom), off road, etc, etc.

Profiles are a powerful tool and your friend. :thumbup1:

colebatch 19 May 2013 11:44

as Motoreiter rightly points out, for motorcycle use (as opposed to hiking or car use which the Montana is also designed for) the vibrations and g-forces the montana gets subjected to are beyond the sensitivities of the auto orientation sensors on the unit. So you will need to lock the orientation ... Its easily done in the settings.

Toyark 19 May 2013 18:16

Never had a problem with the horizontal or vertical on mine but then I chose to mount mine in the well dampened Touratech locking mount.
I looked at the security screw work around which is daft IMHO as the OE is designed to discourage a thief! To just have a home made bolt kind of defeats that purpose!
Just my 2 cents!

colebatch 19 May 2013 19:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bertrand (Post 422781)
Never had a problem with the horizontal or vertical on mine but then I chose to mount mine in the well dampened Touratech locking mount.
I looked at the security screw work around which is daft IMHO as the OE is designed to discourage a thief! To just have a home made bolt kind of defeats that purpose!
Just my 2 cents!

Well I never use it to deter a thief .... if I go to lunch or finish for the day I remove it off the bike.

They point is you want to secure it to the amps mount to stop it jumping out under extreme stress ... which is seems to do on occasion if the screw is not screwed in as a back up. Ive not heard of it ever jumping out with the screw in. The security screw thus acts as security. In which case you want it as quick and easy to manually use.

So its a different definition of security. Not security vs theft, but security vs coming loose and falling off the bike.

TravellingStrom 20 May 2013 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by colebatch (Post 422785)
Well I never use it to deter a thief .... if I go to lunch or finish for the day I remove it off the bike.

They point is you want to secure it to the amps mount to stop it jumping out under extreme stress ... which is seems to do on occasion if the screw is not screwed in as a back up. Ive not heard of it ever jumping out with the screw in. The security screw thus acts as security. In which case you want it as quick and easy to manually use.

So its a different definition of security. Not security vs theft, but security vs coming loose and falling off the bike.

Mine as mentioned earlier has never been used as I lost the screw driver thingy. In saying that, I then rode for 30,000km across EuroAsia, Russia,Kaz and Kyrg, not once did it even think about falling out. I always had a lanyard system as a "just in case" anyway

boarder 20 May 2013 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bertrand (Post 422781)
I looked at the security screw work around which is daft IMHO as the OE is designed to discourage a thief! To just have a home made bolt kind of defeats that purpose!
Just my 2 cents!

+1 for the thumb screw. Done the thumb screw on the Zumo and that has worked well for me for years. A few seconds to take the GPS off or put it on.

If you use a ram mount with the original hand nut in the arm, then anyone can take the whole mount off by just unscrewing one nut. No tools necessary.

The torx screw in the mount just isn't practical. Can't be bothered to use the little torx driver. So, you end up either not engaging the screw in the first place or leaving the GPS on the bike when you shouldn't.

motoreiter 31 Jul 2013 20:52

Montana gurus, please help! I leave for Mongolia in a few days and am in a slight panic...

I've got a Montana. I've downloaded Colebatch's waypoints and few others into Basecamp, where they are are visible. I try to copy them onto my Montana (Device>Export to Device...), and don't seem to get any error message. And yet the waypoints don't show up on my Montana! I've tried this twice now and same result.

I've got the Russian maps, OSM Mongolia, and lots of Birdseye images for Mongolia loaded, if that makes a difference...

Anyone have any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

mark k 31 Jul 2013 21:07

From memory i'm sure all i did was copy the waypoint gpx file into the subfolder called gpx on the garmin and i automatically loaded up the waypoint.
Have you tried that?
Mark

TravellingStrom 31 Jul 2013 21:35

If you highlight all the waypoints you want on the device, drag them(or right click and copy), then drop/paste them onto the device. If you are doing that correctly, you should see a little green progress bar under the device as it is copying

colebatch 1 Aug 2013 06:46

Have you checked the waypoints manager? Are they definitely not on the device? or just not visible on the map?

If not visible on the map it may be the level of detail you have set for the waypoints. they only show up at a level of zoom that is preset quite detailed.

For going somewhere like mongolia, I would set the waypoints to show up on the map at a zoom of 20 km (maybe even 30). Check it by going to Map, setup map, advanced setup, zoom levels, user waypoints. Set it to 20 or 30 km. The waypoints should then be visible if you are that zoom or closer in.


Other possibility is you are full on waypoints. The unit takes 2000. If you are full, and try to load more, it will not (from memory) show an error message when you try to load more.

Easiest way around that is to clear all waypoints and reload them all. You might want to save any personal waypoints into your own GPX file before you delete the lot, so that you can reload them as well as reloading the public waypoints from the wp file. In any case, i should able to take a look on Tuesday.

motoreiter 1 Aug 2013 21:36

HarryG, thanks, I'm trying that, won't know if it works till the morning.

colebatch, the waypoints aren't on the device. weird... hopefully harryg's tip will fix the problem, otherwise I'd greatly appreciate any help on Tues, cuz I leave on Thurs!

motoreiter 2 Aug 2013 05:19

ok, duh, got it to work, I had to convert the files from gdb to gpx and then copied them onto the montana; I must have missed the memo on that one.

motoreiter 2 Aug 2013 05:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bertrand (Post 413803)
...switch your Montana to the compass page (CDI layout), edit the fields...

bertrand, I've been playing around with the montana and can't figure out what you mean by CDI layout...I can get the compass on the screen, with the data fields to the right, what else do you do?

Toyark 2 Aug 2013 10:19

Walter- Waypoints max = 4000 on the Montana :thumbup1:

Quote:

Originally Posted by motoreiter (Post 431239)
bertrand, I've been playing around with the montana and can't figure out what you mean by CDI layout...I can get the compass on the screen, with the data fields to the right, what else do you do?


Set up => Heading => chose CDI

Display = Numeric degrees
North Reference = Magnetic
Compass = Auto


Manual info here Thomas
Don't forget to calibrate the compass as close to its mounting as possible.
Doing this daily when going/being in remote areas is good/safe practice.

Emmbeedee 5 Aug 2013 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by MilesofSmiles (Post 411107)
I was looking into the Montana and thought it was neat device and great for motorcycles, until I saw a video on it. In the video this fellow put the unit on a chair in direct sun lite. When it reached 87F the screen started to act up and switch modes.

That was me testing my Montana with a screen protector. Garmin's protector tends to pull and push the screen as it gets hot, so it starts to make its own selections. I replaced that protector with a new identical one and have not had the problem since.

So if you're not getting a Montana based on that video, then you probably didn't want one in the first place. :thumbup1:.

Toyark 5 Aug 2013 16:32

A good screen saver is essential ..... as is a good sunhat too !:innocent:
Having felt how hot the Montana gets in sunlight, I chose to make a small 'hat' for it.
Now it runs nice and cool- I am convinced it saves damage to the electronics. Cost pennies to make.

Emmbeedee 6 Aug 2013 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bertrand (Post 431631)
A good screen saver is essential ..... as is a good sunhat too !:innocent:
Having felt how hot the Montana gets in sunlight, I chose to make a small 'hat' for it.
Now it runs nice and cool- I am convinced it saves damage to the electronics. Cost pennies to make.

I'd do that but I prefer to run in Portrait mode, and want to retain the flexibility to switch orientation depending on whether I'm doing mostly North/South or East/West roads.

Lonerider 22 Nov 2014 13:42

Motorcycle mount for the Montana 600
 
Can anyone give some advice on a non powered mount for the Montana 600, I will be fitting it to a rented CRF250L (hence non powered)
I have seen one on Amazon UK and was wondering if anyone has used one or have a better idea?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garmin-Bicyc...montana+mounts

Thanks
Wayne

Toyark 22 Nov 2014 19:48

Wayne

The one in your link is the same as the power and/or speaker options models ( as per my pic in #226 above fitted inside a TT mount) except, of course, that it does not have either of those two.

I have originally made an aluminium twin plate 'sandwich' with inner coils (vibration dampening) and mounted the powered one on there as well as also attaching it to a RAM mount-
There are many mounting options but you certainly will need that bit ( or the powered one) whatever you do- as this is the 'jaw' which holds the Montana (or the same for the Monterra too if even you change satnavs!)

I would recommend you get the powered version though as it will recharge your battery saving you another job- unless you plan on only using AA disposable batteries but this would get expensive or rechargeable ones which you would still need to recharge- all a bit of a pain IMHO!

I can see of no reason why you could not fit a powered one on your rented Honda- It comes fitted with leads and has a fuse holder too- Wiring it up is very easy (one red and one black) straight to the battery and will leave no trace. Ignore other wires) I would guess 15 minutes to fit- 5 to take out.

Remember to use the locking screw once mounted. It prevent the 'jaw' from unexpectedly releasing the Montana-

I would suggest that the easiest method is a RAM mount which clamps onto the handle bars- fit tape on them before fitting if you're worried about scratching them.

Lonerider 23 Nov 2014 04:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bertrand (Post 486467)
Wayne

The one in your link is the same as the power and/or speaker options models ( as per my pic in #226 above fitted inside a TT mount) except, of course, that it does not have either of those two.

I have originally made an aluminium twin plate 'sandwich' with inner coils (vibration dampening) and mounted the powered one on there as well as also attaching it to a RAM mount-
There are many mounting options but you certainly will need that bit ( or the powered one) whatever you do- as this is the 'jaw' which holds the Montana (or the same for the Monterra too if even you change satnavs!)

I would recommend you get the powered version though as it will recharge your battery saving you another job- unless you plan on only using AA disposable batteries but this would get expensive or rechargeable ones which you would still need to recharge- all a bit of a pain IMHO!

I can see of no reason why you could not fit a powered one on your rented Honda- It comes fitted with leads and has a fuse holder too- Wiring it up is very easy (one red and one black) straight to the battery and will leave no trace. Ignore other wires) I would guess 15 minutes to fit- 5 to take out.

Remember to use the locking screw once mounted. It prevent the 'jaw' from unexpectedly releasing the Montana-

I would suggest that the easiest method is a RAM mount which clamps onto the handle bars- fit tape on them before fitting if you're worried about scratching them.

Thanks for the advice
Wayne

pingvin 23 Sep 2015 16:02

Got the Montana and tested it recently on trip in Swiss/French/Italian Alps. Made routes in Mapsource (before buying the Montana) imported into Basecamp and downloaded routes to the Montana.

Unfortunately it didn' t work out to well as the routes were a mix between roads and straight lines (outside roads). Done this on my Zumo without problems but the problem with the Montana is that it recalculates automatically to beginning of route and then the straight lines turns into a mess. Is there any way to avoid this, like with the Zumo were it's prompted if you want to calculate to beginning of route? Even turning off recalculation,Montana still insist on taking you to start of route...an recalculates entire route in the process :(

Second issue was that some of the routes had to many waypoints. My buddies Zumo just split the route but the Montana just rejected the route. Strange that 50 waypoint limitation (or whatever the liit is) in 2015, thought that would be lot higher now?

The third issue might seem like a minor issue but to me it isn't. Trying to zoom in and out was almost impossible with gloves as 9 out of 10 times the "buttons" are to small so the Montana think I want to make a new way point. More or less gave up but really want to be able to zoom in to see details when lot's of stuff going on (like in a city) and out to see the bigger picture. Any way to get around this?

So most days my premade routes didn't work and when it did, I couldn't zoom in/out making navigation difficult. Not so happy but hope there are solutions?

Lonerider 23 Sep 2015 18:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by pingvin (Post 516321)
Got the Montana and tested it recently on trip in Swiss/French/Italian Alps. Made routes in Mapsource (before buying the Montana) imported into Basecamp and downloaded routes to the Montana.

Unfortunately it didn' t work out to well as the routes were a mix between roads and straight lines (outside roads). Done this on my Zumo without problems but the problem with the Montana is that it recalculates automatically to beginning of route and then the straight lines turns into a mess. Is there any way to avoid this, like with the Zumo were it's prompted if you want to calculate to beginning of route? Even turning off recalculation,Montana still insist on taking you to start of route...an recalculates entire route in the process :(

Second issue was that some of the routes had to many waypoints. My buddies Zumo just split the route but the Montana just rejected the route. Strange that 50 waypoint limitation (or whatever the liit is) in 2015, thought that would be lot higher now?

The third issue might seem like a minor issue but to me it isn't. Trying to zoom in and out was almost impossible with gloves as 9 out of 10 times the "buttons" are to small so the Montana think I want to make a new way point. More or less gave up but really want to be able to zoom in to see details when lot's of stuff going on (like in a city) and out to see the bigger picture. Any way to get around this?

So most days my premade routes didn't work and when it did, I couldn't zoom in/out making navigation difficult. Not so happy but hope there are solutions?

I am assuming it is a 600 and not a 650?

Strange that it did that with the waypoints, maybe it is full because I think it will only hold 1000

As for doing the thing with the just doing a straight line between points, mine has not done it on the Device but it did it for a bit when I was using Basecamp but cured its self after awhile.

I used mine on my trip in Thailand and Laos is it worked great using the Mapsource mapping, it would also work with my gloves on, I was however using enduro leather gloves and not the ones that give you sausage fingers :rofl:

have a look at this, it might help
http://static.garmincdn.com/pumac/Montana_600_OM_EN.pdf

Wayne

Toyark 28 Sep 2015 13:16

Pingvin- this may help a bit.

MONTANA 600
max user waypoints 4000
Routes 200
Tracklogs 10,000 points, 200 saved tracks
3Gb Ram
Micro sd

+ you have a pm ☺

pingvin 5 Oct 2015 17:55

Thanks guys, will make an effort, hopefully me and the Monata will gel after a while, done some progress :)

BDG 27 Oct 2016 15:57

Anyone having issues with reliability of Montana's now? I really like them, great units however mine died en route to Mongolia in 2014 (completely blank screen that wouldn't re boot or reset), it was repaired under warranty though occasionally the maps hang and don't refresh now until it's switched off.

Two other friends Montana's won't charge in the cradles now including a brand new cradle though they will charge via the USB connection or run off AA batteries.

To be fair they have all had very extensive use off road (such as UK to Magadan, New Zealand, USA, Europe etc) so have been subject to a lot of vibration. They are 4 years old and well out of warranty but even so Garmin have sent me 3 new batteries FOC which is excellent service. We have all done the tape or little bit of foam around the battery mod to stop the battery vibrating.

It may just be that they are coming to the end of their useful but hard life. I'd buy one again or has anybody found a better replacement? I see Garmin are releasing the GPSMAP 276cx and many people raved about the original 276

Ride Far 29 Oct 2016 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDG (Post 550039)
Anyone having issues with reliability of Montana's now? I really like them, great units however mine died en route to Mongolia in 2014 (completely blank screen that wouldn't re boot or reset), it was repaired under warranty though occasionally the maps hang and don't refresh now until it's switched off.

Two other friends Montana's won't charge in the cradles now including a brand new cradle though they will charge via the USB connection or run off AA batteries.

To be fair they have all had very extensive use off road (such as UK to Magadan, New Zealand, USA, Europe etc) so have been subject to a lot of vibration. They are 4 years old and well out of warranty but even so Garmin have sent me 3 new batteries FOC which is excellent service. We have all done the tape or little bit of foam around the battery mod to stop the battery vibrating.

It may just be that they are coming to the end of their useful but hard life. I'd buy one again or has anybody found a better replacement? I see Garmin are releasing the GPSMAP 276cx and many people raved about the original 276

Well 4 years old with heavy use is pretty good. My Montana was super reliable for a 9-month 26,000 mile ride from South Africa to South Korea 2015-16.

Had not a single problem with the unit despite much offroading = vibration and dust. I used the Garmin Rugged Mount (powered mount). Great solution :thumbup1:

TravellingStrom 10 Jan 2017 01:15

HI, I had issues originally with my 650T back in 11/12, had 2 replacements under warranty. this was during my overland trip from Europe to Aus. Just a few weeks ago, after about 4 years of not much riding, the power button(rubber bit as part of waterproof case) broke apart and it was now no longer waterproof.

The switch inside still did work.

I had also been having the occasional problem with the connection being lost on the cradle mount, but could not ascertain whether that was the GPS or mount, I guess I will find out soon

I queried the replacement cost, it is now only $142AU so I sent it back, hope to get my replacement in a day or so

Edit date 13/2/17- So after a month of waiting still nothing, but after some queries were made it seems the 650T is hard to come by and they did not have any. After explaining that if I had known that prior to sending it away I would not have done so at that time, the chap offered to upgrade me to a refurbished 680T the newer version at no extra cost and they had one in stock :)

I took the offer and had the unit within 7 days, now I just have to relearn how to install maps on it LOL


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